Czech Republic mogs Canada

>PRAGUE, Aug 19 (Reuters) - The United States will give the Czech Republic eight Bell military helicopters for free, the U.S. embassy in Prague said, in what the Czech defence minister said was recognition of the NATO country's aid to Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-give-czechs-eight-attack-utility-helicopters-2022-08-19/?taid=62ff511cdc7d670001a4d874&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

The Czech Republic now has 8 more attack helicopters than the entire nation of Canada. Maybe if Canada sends the last of it's towed artillery the US will send them some new duffle bags and other such basic shit the CAF currently lacks.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    didn't czechs already own some AH-1Ys?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Not delivered yet

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So what anon, free helicopters are free.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They ordered eight UH-1Ys, and four AH-1Z. But thanks to the recent procurement of 24 F-35s, and Czechs donating their Mi-24 to Ukraine, they will be getting four more UH-1Ys and 6 AH-1Z as a gift.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        *two more
        So they will have ten of each

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Czech here
    What i read in news it is quite a smart move
    Army is forwarding most of our old soviet tech to the ukraine so it at least gets used once, everything from shitloads of ammo, howizers, tanks and the helis
    It is good because most of that stuff needs maintenance and reolacement parts over time and these were mostly imported from russia these past years, so the army was semi-dependent and they didnt like that
    Now all the stuff is given to ukies where they have basically the same stuff and can use it fast without retraining
    For the same reason czech army got rid of Migs back in 1990s

    So a deal was made that old soviet stuff gets sent east and czech army gets stuff from the west being part of NATO and all
    There are supposed to be Leopards 2 coming here from germany, helis from US and in 2027 army is supposed to get new jet fighters and instead of Gripens (that we have now) there are serious talks about F35s being ordered

    This way america indirectly supplies tech to ukraine without ivans having to learn operate something so different

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >there are serious talks about F35s being ordered
      Can they afford this?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        supposedly yes, their main argumen is that the F35s will be used until the year 2040, so it's a long term investment
        also the army is moving from 12 Gripens to 24 F35, so the air bases will have a major overhaul also, from runways to whole hangars and maintenance equipment but that was about to happen anyway
        but then again, it is not final and if they decide to back down, swedes are offering a much better deal about new Gripens
        CZ army is trying to have the technological edge if not the numbers to support it's weight for quite a small country among giants

        i perosnally think it's stupid and unbelievably expensive, but then again i'm not economy expert and our Minister of Deffence (she's in charge of the talks) is really good in what she's doing and i believe she really helps the army to get what they want

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Considering what Poland is doing right now, 24 F-35s is not that much of nonsense, if Czechs combine it with 32 of theirs, 48 of their F-16s, and 14 Slovakian ones. Hungary is minding their own business, so once again Czechs would benefit more from relying on Romania, and their 48 F-16s.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            that is the whole point tho
            for example NATO operation in baltic, the "keeping vigil" works that i thing 6 countries always have stationed 3 jets yeach and some 2 specialised companies and they rotate every 6 months
            it is not that much for each country, but together it is quite a garrison
            it does not draw that much on resources and provides good deterrent

            some people are b***hing about NATO and their operations, but the truth is something like that would not be possible otherwise.
            If a base of similar size should be run, it'd have to be USA, germany, france or the UK. Any other country would have to significantly compromise their owd home defence. While this operation just acts as a really good way to keep personel in shape and actual combat (not life fire tho) experience

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        they are actually rather affordable
        JAS-39 E is ~$80M
        F-16V ~$80M
        Eurofighter ~$130M
        Rafale ~$200M

        F-35 is ~$100M and has all the bells and whistles like stealth

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Rafale ~$200M
          >F-35 ~$100M
          What am i missing?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            economy of scale

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >There are supposed to be Leopards 2 coming here from germany,
      You poor sorry bastards.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        i guess it's an improvement over T72s that are running out of shelf life

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          These are tanks, not bread

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't worry about it. Depends who will be modernising these 2A4s

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      based burgers. though we don't have them yet but the order

      aren't the f35s already confirmed? also the recent acquisitions make a bit too much sense and reason, idk wtf happened to defense ministry. except the leopards, germans were a mistake.

      >there are serious talks about F35s being ordered
      Can they afford this?

      it's 2022, what makes you think anyone cares about spending? but it's way better deal than the gripens as those we have are old ones with different frames, f35 is actually new platform, better compatibility with neighboring countries. it's a good choice and long term it will likely be even cheaper as the gripens would have to be replaced a lot sooner, especially the current ones that we have leased.

      >There are supposed to be Leopards 2 coming here from germany,
      You poor sorry bastards.

      yep, that's the one thing that sucks regarding what are we getting. (which is the f35s, the helicopters in OP and cv90s to replace/modernize pandurs

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >aren't the f35s already confirmed?
        no, i think they keep both options still possible, but all the talks are about F35s because that is the interesting option
        i think Gripens are just a backup option if the other deal fails spectacularly

        >Swedes were going to let them keep the leased Gripens if they would please only order Gripen-Es
        >order F-35s anyway
        Poor fricking Saab. It seems like Western fighter procurement is F-35s if you're allowed, Rafaels if you aren't, and maybe Typhoons if you don't like the French. And then Gripen.

        yea, the market gets dominated by the F35 in the last years but i get there is a reason for it. They are top of the line after all and while other euro fighters are quite good, their production is not really that high to supply that many other countries. Saab is the only one focused on export and they always played the "economy option" after all. Why market the fact your 4,5 gen jet fighter can land and take off on an ordinary road when all modern militaries have pretty good airports and the travel times are not really that long

        they are actually rather affordable
        JAS-39 E is ~$80M
        F-16V ~$80M
        Eurofighter ~$130M
        Rafale ~$200M

        F-35 is ~$100M and has all the bells and whistles like stealth

        that proce is really just a small part
        you have to account for maintenance that is much higher over time. For every hour Gripen is flying, you have to do around 12k dollars worth of maintenance, while for every hour F35 flies it is almost 30k dollars.
        it account to stuff like "after 200 flight hours you have to change this thing and replacement costs 2 milion dollars", fluel and ammo is not accounted in this
        and the lifetime expectancy of F35 is around 4000 flight hours i think
        it gets into a high numbers and you can't just store the thing and leave it lest it degrades rapidly

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Why market the fact your 4,5 gen jet fighter can land and take off on an ordinary road when all modern militaries have pretty good airports
          Maybe because airports are high value targets to the enemy? Gripen is meant for guerilla warfare.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Free helicopter rides? That being said. They operated Mi-24's, sure some or most of those have been donated to Ukraine, they already had more attack helicopters than Canada to begin with. I'm going to assume these helicopters are from disbanded 'muhreen squadrons that went away with their doctrine and force structure reform.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Canada bought 88 F35s and were the OG members in the development programs.
    They’ll be fine.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Fricking cope canadagay. All you have is a small order. Your most capable equipment you can actually deploy right now is 40 fricking year old hornets and second hand dutch leopards.

      You know when you'll get your first f-35s gay. The 2030s.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Swedes were going to let them keep the leased Gripens if they would please only order Gripen-Es
    >order F-35s anyway
    Poor fricking Saab. It seems like Western fighter procurement is F-35s if you're allowed, Rafaels if you aren't, and maybe Typhoons if you don't like the French. And then Gripen.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      the ones we have leased are Cs which don't even have same frame as the modern gripens. and they are 20 years old already. it was a terrible deal and we'd end up having to buy entirely new planes in 20 years again while f35s will last long time. it would be even worse deal than the 2a4 leos.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The JAS 39 is a great plane. The problem is that it's a great plane for today trying to compete against the F-35, which is a great plane for today and the years to come. The Gripen just isn't just isn't as intrinsically future proof in the way that the F-35 is and that damages it's prospects when so many countries are looking for a small, long lasting fleet.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's a great plane but '90s were three decades ago

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They can still sell them to south america though.
      UMA DELICIA

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Unless your name is Argentina.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >mogs canada
    Its not hard, that shithole has nothing, people don't even have basic kit.
    t. canadian

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    how do canadians cope?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      By owning guns and constantly reminding myself that our courts have upheld the right to armed self-defence (in the home, anyway), even if our homosexual government rejects it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >the right to bear arms in self defense is embeded in the czech constitution
      no it isn't

      there are however several laws stating that basically you can do whatever if you are defending your: life, health, possessions, rights (incl. freedom) or respect (public image). and you really can do whatever if it isn't over the top
      also you can protect somebody elses rights or on a line of work (security guard mostly)

      but the law about gun ownership is only guaranteed only by the "statute about firearms" but tbh, that is a really good state and states that if you can do these things (age, health, criminal record, knowledge of the law, basic firearm manipulation), you can own a gun and noone can deny you that

      the only way our constitution protects firearm ownership is maybe throu heritage because it states that "no one can be denied their lawful heritage", so if your grandpa had a fricking i dunno, bunker in a backyard full of guns and you do your gun certification, no one can take these from you

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No one cares Amerifat, you are our security. You literally do it for free.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Leaf taxpayer here and I'm glad we have no attack choppers. The're lame and useless. When would we ever use them? What can they do a cf-18 or soon a f-35 can't do? What can it carry better then a CH-146? Even if we planned on offensive operations the war in Ukraine has shown how useless they are against a competent enemy. No flying tanks in the RCAF pls

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Canada has as many attack helictopters as the USA has. It's not fair, but leafs don't need a full range of warfighting capabilities when we're right beside the largest military superpower on earth. Our land being compromised is an unacceptable security risk to the States, so we can literally do nothing and benefit from the full strength of the US military.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I love how Canadians try to turn freeriding on US taxpayers into a virtue, when the reality is all their israelite level defence expenditure does is make the whole anglosphere collectively weaker, including Canada.

      You think the international order you benefit from is forever because you don't read history and you're unaware that the US is a declining power. All your actually doing is guaranteeing your inability to fight during a conflict. You don't even have the assets to run logistics in the back end of a conflict, and that's fricking scary.

      So feel free to laugh at the fact that your weaker than the Czech republic but your laughing at your own demise.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Canadians try to turn freeriding on US taxpayers into a virtue
        Basically isreal

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hey, frick off c**t. We sent the Ukrops like 12 M777s, which was 2/3rds of our entire field artillery.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Canada doesn't need a military because it doesn't conduct imperialistic and suicidal foreign policy like our moronic neighbors to the south. While the US dies for Ukraine and Taiwan, Canada shall become a global power.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Canada shall become a global power
      Of course once you reach the 500 thousand per year indian immigrant you will reach super power status in 10 years time

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >nation of Canada
    Why do burgers always word it this way? Why not just call it Canada, we all know its a nation

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