>Preparations for Ukraine's upcoming counteroffensive are in their final stages, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov announced on Friday.
>we are also waiting for Abrams. However, I don't think the Abrams will be used in this counteroffensive. But our crews have left for training [on them],"said.
>We also have many armored vehicles of various types, particularly armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. We have Bradleys, Marders, Strykers and CV 90s from Sweden. We are finishing up some more training courses there." -Reznikov
>We have CV 90s
BROS, I THINK THIS MEANS THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT FOR THE SPRING KINO
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-counteroffensive-update-russia-war-1797333
uh huh
t..trust the plan god damn it, CVriots in control!
#WCV90GWGA'
I'm an idiot but hear me out. Most Russia vehicles don't have thermals and Ukrainians have proven to be able to creatively apply the tools they have to the problems they have. What are the odds of Ukranians using smokescreens to obscure visuals and looking through them with thermals?
t. seen this strategy used to great effect in the in-depth milsim Neo Tokyo
God I hope we get IFV footage like from mariopol just screen recording like is battlefield 4
Wtf, laser cannons are real already?
>no ATGM
The Bradleys will have a much bigger impact. Don’t get mad at me either, it’s my job to remind you
Are you saying you're paid for your posts, warriortard?
I thought warriortard hated brads because they're always compared with the warrior
I make good side money as an Amazon affiliate. Recently sold 7 Bradley model kits and received around $6 commission on each of them
oh shit you too!? I make 30 cents per pro-vatnik posts on here, I don't have a job so I rely on my russian overlords to pay for my living expenses. Life's hard bro
I don’t post affiliate links on here. I have multiple social media accounts to do that from. I just like to shitpost because I know there are a few fragile CV-90 shills on here
I'll wait for the Azov Storm livery.
Who buys old Tamiyashit for 70 buckaroos lmao?
My paypiggies. I sold an m113 as wel
I… I buy those kits. Picrel is my next purchase
You're a moron.
its better to have a hobby like building model kits than it is to watch porn
Porn can actually be really fulfilling and rewarding. Especially fetish porn. Check out Google fart orgy and click on the video of the 6 spanish asses stacked on top of eachother. They count down
>un
>dos
>tress
Then they all start ripping monster farts. It’s sensory overload and makes for a great cum. I never even had a brap fetish before I saw that video. Powerful stuff
It's better to have an adult life than act like a child playing with toys you sad frick
I do both
Sure, keep telling yourself that as you paint toys. Freak.
They’re model military vehicles.
The biggest benefit of being an adult is being able to do whatever the frick you want. So long as you're able to support yourself and act reasonably in public, I don't give a frick what you do in your free time in private.
Why? What’s wrong with kit building
You can buy better kits for the same money
Better like what? Do you mean the choice of vehicle or brand?
>25mm
This is your reminder that IFVs' primary purpose is to fight alongside infantry and not combat enemy tanks. The Bradley's anemic peashooter is more akin to a machine gun than a true autocannon. Where the Bradley can only suppress, the CV90 will destroy. Any Russian tanks capable of opposing the 40mm APFSDS will be promptly destroyed by the infantry ATGMs easily transported inside the CV90's roomy interior.
>This is your reminder that IFVs' primary purpose is to fight alongside infantry and not combat enemy tanks.
Yes the 25 is well suited to fighting alongside infantry. You could make a case that modern cv-90s chambered in 30mm and with spike atgms are better than bradleys, but the m2 absolutely trashes the original 40mm only CV-90
>but the m2 absolutely trashes the original 40mm only CV-90
Ah yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj0q-sxKrvg
>he has to stop and dismount troops when a surprise tank encounter happens
What are we, in a JRPG or back in the 90s? Enemy positions are not going to be undetected. Those infantry are going to be dismounted to begin with when getting into contact.
Never mind they're going to be operating with MBTs in the first place.
What is your video supposed to prove? The cv90 bursting helicopters is nice but its ready magazine size is pretty small. Infantry and light vehicles are going to be a much bigger and more common threat than a helicopter hovering 30 feet off the ground. I understand you like the 40 and think it’s cool but there’s a reason only Sweden and SK use it for their IFVs. In unrelated news Sweden and South Korea are the 2 biggest producers of 40mm barrels in the world
You should really watch the whole thing. The airburst against infantry targets behind cover, and after penetration of a concrete wall.
That’s nice and definitely usefull for tanks. Shame it doesn’t carry a lot of ammo and has no way to deal with tanks frontally. Glad they figured it out in later versions
>You can't use a proven caliber you have lots of experience and expertise with because... because you just can't ok!!!! think of the exports!!!!
bawda gnälla din lilla hora
The US is moving to a 50mm cannon. Programmable munitions and anti-air capabilities are the future, old man. The Bradley is history. Its gun was never good enough to begin with.
>25mm useless
CVsisters are mad today
You can like it all you want, but it won't make the 25x137mm HEI-T effective at destroying targets. Kind of a detriment when your vehicle is the one supposed to provide the biggest direct firepower of the squad.
What a shame indeed. If only the vehicle's intended use was to fight alongside infantry, providing them with firepower and mobility to engage in maneuver warfare alongside MBTs. Damn. Imagine if those guys inside the vehicle had Javelins and NLAWs working in conjunction with drones too.
>25 is le bad because it just is ok
>low ammo capacity is good for a fighting vehicle because it is ok
>we should put 25mm guns on MBT's instead of 120mm guns because more ammo is betterer
On an IFV yes, on a tank no.
oh so its situational? well well well
A lower ammo capacity is less of a detriment when your airburst rounds delete entire squad fighting positions in three-round bursts, or singular shells fill entire rooms with fragmentation after penetrating a thick concrete wall.
25mm rounds that need to be used like a machine gun just to suppress enemy positions is less than ideal.
Lethality of fires is always better than quantity of fires. We have guided munitions, programmable munitions, drones and modern thermals. You really need to join us in the 21st century.
>causes 4 times as many casualties to the enemy regardless
>lower ammo capacity is less of a detriment when your airburst rounds delete entire squad fighting positions in three-round bursts,
What’s the usual loadout of airburst shells , regular HE, and APFSDS?
>causes 4 times as many casualties to the enemy regardless
>I know this despite the CV-90 40 never seeing combat
>all 40mm shells ever fired will airburst inside of a non dispersed squad
kek still just Sweden and SK using 40. And SK ditched 40 for 30
>I know this despite the CV-90 40 never seeing combat
Basic lethality of airburst 40mm vs 25mm impact detonation. The amount of stowed kills is greater for airburst.
>all 40mm shells ever fired will airburst inside of a non dispersed squad
Have you not seen the vatnik way of war? They sit in open-top trenches.
>kek still just Sweden and SK using 40. And SK ditched 40 for 30
And what caliber of autocannon is the US planning to move to? Can you tell me?
>Basic lethality of airburst 40mm vs 25mm impact detonation. The amount of stowed kills is greater for airburst.
How could you possibly account for this? How do you cope with the fact that most rounds stowed aren’t airburst? What about light trucks? In afghanistan LAV-25s were plinking Toyotas with a single round to the engine block. It all depends on how they’re used. I will give the edge to the cv-90 against entrenched infantry. Still the ability to absolutely wreck armored units with your IFVs is a huge capability. Bradley has the edge over all other IFVs in country when it comes to tank busting
>How could you possibly account for this? How do you cope with the fact that most rounds stowed aren’t airburst?
Lethality of 40mm is still superior and amounts to greater stowed kills at range, and against entrenched targets, buildings, etc.
>I will give the edge to the cv-90 against entrenched infantry.
Which is the primary nature of infantry in a modern conflict. Or else they're infantry killed by artillery before you even make it to them. The 25mm might have had some validity in the hypothetical Cold War gone hot scenario, where brigades of Soviet mechanized forces drive across open fields toward your positions. As you yourself said:
>Still the ability to absolutely wreck armored units with your IFVs is a huge capability. Bradley has the edge over all other IFVs in country when it comes to tank busting
That was a valuable ability for that period in time and for that assumed conflict. Just like the CV90 for the Swedes was the right choice for their Cold War scenario. The Javelin itself already undermines the Bradley's worth by a ton. If the M47 Dragon was your ATGM of choice, it's obvious the TOW on the Bradley would be a gift.
>trench warfare
>Which is the primary nature of infantry in a modern conflict.
huh???
>And what caliber of autocannon is the US planning to move to? Can you tell me?
Just because the US is putting a 50mm on their new IFV doesn’t mean they won’t have 6000 bradleys still. A large portion of those will operate for decades to come. Smaller caliber autocannons will never go away. That being said the OMFVs new gun should be amazing. Imagine being able to swat quadcopter sized drones out of the sky with a single round. Maybe the CV-90 will upgrade its radar and FCS to also be able to target DJI sized drones
Soon the US will sell off its 25mm Bradleys and move up to 30mm minimum!
The Dragoons, the M-Shorad, the M-LIDS. The signs are all there. 25mm is deprecated.
Not trench warfare, but being entrenched. If you're caught in the open as infantry in a modern conflict, you die.
Fires are so fast and accurate, combined with omnipresent drone and signals observation, that you either keep moving, dig in, or die. If you stay in place, you get out your shovel and burrow into the ground.
>Soon the US will sell off its 25mm Bradleys and move up to 30mm minimum!
May I see a source?
>MSHORAD, M-LIDS
Those aren’t comparable as they are dedicated AA vehicles. The 25mm round penetrates armor alot further and far outranges than the much lower pressure 30mm rounds the m230 uses
>muh airburst cope
Volume of fire wins fights, not specialized munitions. Specialized munitions complement high volume of fire, which wins fights.
CEP is king. Doesn't matter if your kabooms are smart or fancy, the simple ability to get them to the right place will always win.
>Any Russian tanks capable of opposing the 40mm APFSDS will be promptly destroyed by the infantry ATGMs easily transported inside the CV90's roomy interior.
>he has to stop and dismount troops when a surprise tank encounter happens
>he can’t just dispatch it from the gunners position
>he thinks all IFVs don’t carry ATGM troops as wel
>runs out of ammo 4 times as fast
40mm airburst will absolutely rape Vatniks while they sit in a trench. I look forward to seeing the drone video of it happening.
Cant wait to see vatnik webms with them burning in the mud, just to read fatnik copium threads here.
Are any of the Strykers they’re receiving fitted with the 30mm, or will CV9040 be the only western IFV that can fire air burst rounds in Ukraine?
I highly doubt it. The US barely has 200 dragoons as it is. IIRC the US sent light vehicles armed with “30mm anti drone systems” in one of its aid packages. I think they meant the m230
All the Strykers i've seen so far only seem to be Equipped with a M2 Browning
Sadly that’s what it’s looking like. The 82nd would have some teeth if they received TOW strykers or MGS.
>CV90's and Leo 2's will be smashing ziggers together
KINOOOOOOOOO
she's a big girl
for u
>Perspective
Actual size difference: https://i.imgur.io/ZwLNnHG.png
God damn the brad looks good from any angle
>bigger
>has worse armor
>has a worse gun
>carries less troops
inb4 >muh TOWs
yeah yeah the next version of the CV90 will come with an Akeron missile launcher and then it will completely mog every other IFV in existence
america WILL buy CV90's to replace its bradley fleet
t. knower
How does it have worse armor? Bradley has 30mm all around protection. Are you going to argue from a place of dishonesty and post Bradleys that hit a mine or took an RPG?
I wish we would. Hopefully the MIC is learning lessons from this war and realizes that drones are going to be used in an anti-infantry, anti-tank, and ISR role in larger scales than ever before. Big heavy armor is the way of the past, light tanks and IFVs are the future.
>Big heavy armor is the way of the past,
Exact opposite. The modern battlefield is more polarized than ever, in that you either need to go BIG and HEAVY, or light and dispersed.
Nah mate, the progression of ATGMs, precision artillery, widely available ISR capes through squad level drones, and (you don’t see it in this conflict) air support, has made BIG SLOW HEAVY the way of the past. Much like the phasing out of the battleship, we are seeing the MBT move to irrelevancy. Small, mobile, ATGM equipped, 30-50mm cannons, light armored IFVs are the future.
>anon sees the US IFV program and equates it to mean that all future vehicles will be the US’ new IFV
Literally every IFV is moving towards integrated ATGMs you Black person
I’m talking about the 50mm size gun
30 to 50… covers basically every upcoming western IFV, and probably some eastern ones
>SLOW
Thank God MBTs are fast.
I am too autistic to understand that image unfortunately
Lots of vids of super fast MBTs in the mud in Ukraine huh…
The future is the concept of the carrier strike group moved on to land via a 45-50 ton tracked drone "carrier", supported by MBTs, IFVs, and APCs plus support trucks. The airwing will be combined drones and infantry. Over all weight will scale down as armor allows and we slim up composite armors. Submarine role will be a loitering F-35.
Which makes rationalisation more and more worthwhile, which means the Boxer platform is the way to go
For frick sake when will you learn
There is a plethora of information and knowledge to be gleaned from this conflict
That does not mean this should actively reflect how a capable power (literally just the USA) should proceed with how it fights a 'peer' conflict
And everyone not a backwards savage has known about both military and just quadcopter grenade shittery swarm as a threat for near a decade
Lol, more stubborn than the Battleship Chuds of yesteryear. The USA hasn’t fought a peer war in 30 years. They were supposed to face heavy artillery fire and take huge MBT losses in the Gulf War, but Arabs suck at fighting. The only caveat for people watching this war unfold is that the US absolutely WILL have air superiority in a conflict, so no sneed drones or helicopters lobbing rockets at 89 degree angles will be required.
US has no peer
>US will buy CV90’s
Maybe. That company is competing in the OMFV competition but it’s with a heavily modified design to hit the program requirements.
Man mechanized infantry have it good.
Kind of funny how American vs Euro IFVs are exactly like American vs Euro cars
I was about to say European vs American women but fair play.
Very cool Germany, HOWEVER
Based. Wish the 30mm was sent instead of the 40 but oh well.
dude Russian JDAMs and Lancets will multiply all Western military hardware by 0, Ukrainians do not have aviation to support the offensive, this cv90 vs bradley debate is ridiculous
Stop b8ing its boring and no one even thinks you are a vatBlack person
>Russian JDAM
Yeah. Any minute now they will win the war for Russia just like they did for the last year.
>Russian guided munition
>Hitting a moving target
Okay
>be regular JDAM
>INS/GPS guidance kit for a low drag aerodynamic MK80's bomb body
>will not hit a moving target unless given a laser seeker on the nose
>can be given a wing kit to extend range
>be JDAMski
>be a nasty FAB body that remains largely unchanged since WW2
>given a GLONASS guidance kit
>no laser seeker
>this mighty weapon will somehow stop 2,000 armored vehicles from pouring over the completely straight Russian trenches without hedgehogs and hollow concrete barriers
If the Russians hit a single moving armored vehicle with a JDAMski I will pain my dick and balls blue and post it here with a timestamp
Do you know that Ukraine has just got 1550 armoured vehicles and 239 tanks all of which are new, better and have fresh rested trained veteran crews. Frick.
these fresh forces are ordinary ukrainian mobiks who were sent to Germany for training. What could the Germans, who last fought in 1939, teach them?
>these fresh forces are ordinary ukrainian mobiks who were sent to Germany for training.
They are not. They are Ukrainian veteran units that were reequipped. Its the Ukrainian national guard that has been holding the front while they were trained. The Russian mobiks are fricked..
>What could the Germans, who last fought in 1939, teach them?
>1550 armoured vehicles and 239 tanks
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/04/27/ukraine-armored-vehicles-tanks/
"NATO allies and partners have provided Ukraine with 1,550 armored vehicles and 230 tanks to form units and help it retake territory from Russian forces, NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said Thursday.
The deliveries, since the start of the war in February last year, represent “more than 98 percent of the combat vehicles promised to Ukraine,” Stoltenberg told a news conference.
“In total we have trained and equipped more than nine new Ukrainian armoured brigades. This will put Ukraine in a strong position to continue to retake occupied territory,” he said."
NINE NEW ARMOURED BRIGADES. Mobiks are fricked. Utterly fricked.
>NINE NEW ARMOURED BRIGADES
It's actually 25, although not all of them are well equipped
t. Knower
And these encompass engineering, logistic and signals etc units as part of brigade structure?
most of them, yes
If even just the 9 of them are fully equipped there is some serious potential if the right opening happens. That's enough for a sustained assault with rotation of rest and reserve, 12 tank battalions in assault is one absolute fricker to be on the receiving end of. unlike most I don't want Ukraine to rush in. I want them to erode the Russian artillery guns and crews to comedy tier levels and then unleash hell
>12 tank battalions in assault is one absolute fricker to be on the receiving end of
There are going to be a lot of dead vatniks this year. I hope they don't run out of ziggers for Ukraine to kill.
why is a pacifist country so good at building things that blow people up
>Pacifist
Sweden was a military powerhouse during the Cold War.
>4th largest air force in the world
>universal conscription
>top-tier submarines for a small Baltic puddle
>complete refusal to surrender inbuilt into doctrine
>doctrinal "free war," where everyone fights in whatever way humanly possible, no matter the situation
>a fricking nuclear weapons program
Weird how quickly they were brought low.
Do not confuse "non aligned" with pacifist.
Sweden was pretty fricking far from "pacifist" during the Cold War when all of the research for this tech was started.
Swedish Cold War defense doctrine against Soviet invasion was massive armored and mech inf counter attack driving the invasion back into the sea before they could fortify and reinforce the landing.
if >muh ammo is so critical, why don't you just tell the ukrainians to carry 1 less soldier, build a rack and put 100 more shells in it
It would be extremely dangerous to haphazardly place 40mm shells in the back next to the troops
What would a 40mm hit actually do to a vatnik out in the open? Obviously they'd become a dead vatnik but would anything recognizable as a human shaped object remain?
>but would anything recognizable as a human shaped object remain?
It'll blow of an extremity or tear apart a lot of flesh, but not disintegrate someone. The most damage would be bisection if it's a perfect abdominal hit I reckon.
Guess it depends on if said vatnik is dense enough to fuse a HE/3P shell or not.
Now a HE hitting the ground, or a airburst 3P in gated proximity mode close by would turn him into a mainly ground beef type substance on the side towards the explosion.
Eindrucksvoll.
Why tf wre you guys so passionate about CV90 vs brad anyways? They're both great IFV that will be helping each other in the front. Do you guys think Russia wil capture a Bradley and then will face off against a CV90 or something?
sounds like a korean drama
>Brad gets captured and brainwashed by ruskies
>in the season finale he squares off against Civvie
>they fight to the death and it ends with a tearful goodbye
Sorry, but no hohol offensive, unless they want the chinks to put their imprimatur on a Russian offensive. Remember, the hohols called the chinks to intercede, but the chinks will walk if either side launches a major attack. The US brain trust is looking for a way to declare victory and leave, as per usual, and they'd like the chinks to facilitate this. So the table is set. The Russians are in no hurry. They have a massive firepower advantage and can keep firing forever. They'd probably rather the hohols mass and attack, but that'd be a waste and the US has figured out it's time to take the L here. Time was never on their side and things can only get worse.
NATO has more and better gear than China.
The chinks won't get in a shooting war with the US over Banderastan.
Swedebros, we're back
Why aren’t the cv90s included in the leaked 9 mech brigades? Seems to be a bunch of shit missing
Also what’s the deal with the storm brigades the hohols were making?
Remember when the guy training the 47th came on here?
Remember him talking about how hard it was to stop the Ukrainians from trying to attack enemy tanks with Bradleys?
Remember him specifically schooling /k/ that M2's aren't supposed to be spotted by tanks and if they are they are to run away as quickly as possible?
Remember how it was explained historically m2 tank kills occurred by Bradley's getting the jump on the tanks?
I remember.
Imagine how fricked you would be if a CV90 got the jump on you.
Looking at it this way, with the cv90's armaments, those things shoot at a trench, do the Ukes just come out with slop buckets? Hungry pets on leads?
Seems like everyone complaining about the armament forgot that Ukrainian BTR-4's disabled Russian T-72B3's in Mariupol lol
These threads are never sensible. It's a crying shame. It would be good to have decent conversation about these platforms without the same hackneyed talking points.
I have seen the footage of the cv90's armaments, of course, but I have never seen how the Swedes train with them inclusive of their most important feature: Infantry.
Everyone knows the M2 is great at its job, and then gasses about something as banal as it's TOW armament, when the true brilliance of the US' use of the M2 is the skill of its mechanised infantry.