Hey, PrepHole I plan on hunting coyotes for the first time in the coming weeks. I have learned the basics: have a spotlighter with a light, ideally a red or green light, and get a rabbit caller and use it till they eventually show up. Anything I'm missing are first-time hunting predators and don't have any fancy shit, just a caller, a 12 gauge or a sks, no clue which one I'm going to run, and a decent spotlight that I and my buddy will use.
Why do you want to murder animals for sport? Are you a psychopath?
They have killed lots of livestock and was asked to by family
>they did the thing they were designed to do! How could this happen?
You solve this by getting a livestock guardian animal, not by murdering them.
Consider scouting and/or pressure baiting. Pressure baiting is highly effective, leaving out bait for a week or two beforehand. Scrap meat and corn. Night vision is ideal if you have it or can afford it. Of course being able to identify tracks and droppings as well as bedding and watering areas. The rifle is a better choice than the shotgun.
Does the coyote "murder" the deer? Or the baby calf? This is nature, people who live out in nature have to deal with predator animals who attack livestock. This is why professional predator hunters exist. Hunters actually have a respect for nature and work to balance it, as they have for thousands of years.
Thanks for the advice. I'll keep that in mind and definitely run the SKS then. I also already have a pretty good idea of where they are since they have been fricking up his livestock for a while now. They are to the point where they are getting pretty ballsy in general; sadly, no nods
do you have an optic in your sks?
Sadly nah, It's a cheap sks I grabbed for inna woods shit for like 280$ a year back.
The idea of murder doesn't apply to beasts, as they operate on instinct. So no, a coyote isn't a murderer like a human would be.
>The idea of murder doesn't apply to beasts
Yeah, which is why it's not murder to kill them lol
even a trained coyote can guard your livestock you sociopathic nutjob. i wish we humans just losed up some braincells and returned to monke
>trained
>Yote
moron 0/10 b8 kys dork
>PrepHolemblr cape shit poster
You think a return to monke would mean LESS killing of pesky predators?
This is good advice, I'd take the SKS unless it's very janky, sometimes they have really awful triggers. I'm spoiled by modern triggers though.
Neat, good job.
Hornady makes good ammo, Hornady v max is what I buy for my .17HMR varmint rifle. It doesn't matter too much what ammo you use, as long as you don't use ball ammo or fully jacketed ammo. Buy some expanding ammunition or at least soft points.
They are doing what they should in nature, but I'm also a part of nature and need to protect the livestock. I also already told them to get a dog, but the coyotes have already gotten so ballsy that they aren't really spooked by people. I'm basically going to do Total Cyote Death till they learn to have a healthy respect and until they get a live wire fence setup and train up a dog.
But actually they aren’t. We wiped out wolves and now the Yote population has no predators. Except me. I hold the line.
don't kid yourself we are not part of nature.
I'm all for you protecting your livestock and even for hunting coyote. although lts basically hunting squire.
but we are not part of nature. our actions and their consequences are not natural.
b***h cant even admit that she didn't know shit about wetlands or watersheds before they even built the house. She still thinks beavers cause flooding and not, you know, the fricking rain.
Coyotes can, and do, group up to kill farm dogs. They'll deliberately draw it away from the farm and then attack it in numbers. I've heard quite a few farmers talk about it where I live. A lot of them have started chaining up their dogs that used to just roam around the farm so they don't get killed by coyotes.
I've known about this tactic for years and even have a first hand account. I had one try to lead my dog off while walking in the city. She was well trained to be off leash and we usually walk at night in fairly deserted neighborhoods. She would usually walk ahead a bit and I'd catch up while she stopped and sniffed something.
Late one night on a walk we came to an intersection and a coyote was standing under a street light watching us down a side street. My dog started walking that way and the coyote backed up into the shadows. I called my dog back, and when she came back the coyote walked back into the light. I stood there watching for a minute and after leashing up my dog for safety, took a few steps his way to see what he'd do. He again faded into the shadow beyond the street light. I backed up to the intersection and he popped back out watching us. Knowing how they operated I took the shortest route home and kept checking behind me. Never saw him again or the rest of his pack, but I knew if my dog had decided to take off towards the coyote it would have been over for her and it was one of the few times at night I was a bit worried about my own safety.
>you shouldn't murder the coyotes, you should get another animal which will either murder them or be murdered by them
Recommend the SKS. Like others have said, get good hunting rounds and practice with that specific round so you know what shot placement will be like. Protecting livestock is necessary, but you also have a duty to anything you're hunting to kill them humanely, which means accuracy. There's a billion infographics and videos on shot placement for any species, take a look at those. Lots of resources too about utilizing the pelts and meat. Idk much about eating coyote but the pelts are really nice. And have fun! Hunting is a great sport
>You solve this by getting a livestock guardian animal, not by murdering them.
This is probably the most humane solution
Your problem is your family is moronic and doesn't know how to coyote proof your livestock: not that you need to hunt coyote.
They're going to make all sorts of moronic excuses for obviously making shit decisions and not understanding anything about the biome they live in.
it's pretty well established that physical removal of coyotes is completely ineffective. I think farmers and shit just continue to do it because it's fun. Which is fine if that's the case.
>no it works you don't know what yo-
Decades of failed extermination campaigns say you are wrong.
If you are serious about stopping them you need to do things like make more secure animal pens and stuff like that.
Why not trap and fix them like cats? Or kill females and release fixed males.
boy that sure solved our stray cat problems lamo
way to prove his point
The problem is people invite the coyotes in and are to stupid to understand why or how.
Just sleep on top the chicken coop, the sound of dying birds will wake you up for go time.
At least shill for a better animal. Coyotes are buttholes.
The outdoors isn’t for your kind. Stick to axe throwing bars and Netflix.
>t. keyboard big game hunter
>murder animals
Do you support abortion?
>just buy more animals
Stay in your city full of abundance where food comes from grocery stores. You don't know what the real world is like.
European spotted
>why does an apex predator like predating
nah, stfu urban homie these bastards deserve nothing but the void
Coyotes are bros.
TCD. But they shouldn’t be wasted. Learn to tan them and keep the meat.
Already ahead of you, the guy that's going to be spotlighting for me will be taking the coyotes for this made sure it won't go to waste.
ignore the city gays
I go coyote culling all the time, it's a lot of fun.
here is a few things I do
>use a foxpro coyote caller
it's an investment but well worth it, I just upgraded to the prowler and coyotes come to the baby coyote in destress in droves
>ammo
hornady v max is good for 5.56, I bet they make a similar round for 7.62x39
>spotlight
useful but if you can hunt on a clear night with a full moon just let your eyes do the work. It might be harder if you don't have an optic or an illuminated front sight post but completely doable
>friend
just be quiet and make sure you both don't get buck fever and frick it all up
Positioning and patience are key, also just make a noise when they get too close and they will stop to look at you, that's when you blast them
There are a bunch if good videos and resources on the subject so definitely check those out on YouTube.
Good luck anon
>Drives a big truck
>Lives in a McMansion
>Doesn't know anything about the native biome
>REE HERE"S HOW TO KILL DEM ANIMALS SON, YEE HAW
boomers are cancer.
Most of the time farmers b***h about coyotes is because they build a farm where there never should have been one.
America has millions of acres of land for livestock but you morons want to cut down half a forest to build your ranch and then b***h about the animals feeding on your critters.
You idiots are as bad as the morons that b***h about Beavers.
Making a lot of assumptions anon, I kill them for fun
based
subhumans kill animals "for fun"
I was playing the odds as boomers also abuse animals for entertainment.
Beavers don't deforest--if anything they are a net benefit for forests. Your question highlights your ignorance.
You mentioned "privacy" in regards to plants so that makes me suspect those were vanity trees. Also: there are tons of ways to keep beavers from eating a tree and you didn't try any of them (QED).
You are the invasive species--not the rodents.
>You mentioned "privacy" in regards to plants so that makes me suspect those were vanity trees
>vanity trees
You're not allowed to have fricking trees in your yard because they look nice or because they give you privacy from the road or neighbors?
>You are the invasive species--not the rodents.
I never said they were invasive, moron. They're native and abundant where I live.
A vanity tree is a non native species or a native species pruned into oblivion to look like some moronic gematric shape.
You also missed the point: beavers don't deforest--they're permaculture experts--and it is easy to keep them from eating trees you don't want them to eat.
>beavers don't deforest
lol
My land was forest 10 years ago before beavers showed up. It is now mostly lifeless marsh with no standing trees.
They even chewed down the power poles three times until the company put cast iron collars on the first few feet of them.
>Lifeless
>Marsh
Pick one
let me guess, it was full of alder and vine maple. I'm not shocked at all you have such garbage city managers that they couldn't figure out how to beaver proof infrastructure.
Yes. Boomers deforesting to build their McMansions and hunting for sport came much later. Basically the trump tard crew behaving exactly as you'd expect them to behave.
In the stone age people like you would have been left behind if you broke your leg
>I'm not shocked at all you have such garbage city managers that they couldn't figure out how to beaver proof infrastructure.
I don't live in one of your concrete hellscapes and the leftist homosexuals that never see wildlife made it illegal to harm, trap, relocate, hinder, or inconvenience the beavers. So I went from a diverse and enjoyable forest to swamp grass, insects, and dead animals. The beavers moved on but now it is illegal for me to reclaim the land because it's a "protected wetland."
I got a fine for doing some groundwork to protect my foundation from the encroaching marsh and they absolutely refused to understand that my home was in danger and told me to pay the fine and reverse the changes or lose my house. I've been in court for that for over a year, but some leftist moron activist lawyer took up fighting the case against me and is doing everything to ensure that I lose my home so they can give my land to blackrock.
lololololol don't live near water idiot
My house was not built near the water.
The only trees I have cut down are dangerous dead standing and one with damaged roots that would have fallen on the power lines, you moronic Black person lover. My house is built from timber from a local mill and stone pulled from local farmland, and was placed in an existing clearing out of the registered flood zone of the stream running through my land, but now because the land never dries out anymore, it's starting to damage the nearby state roads and my foundation.
>I cut down all the trees to build my house
>Like I already said but your admitting
Using them to build the house doesn't make it any better.
>Out of the registered flood zone
So you don't know how to read a map at all or understand anything about ground water or your watershed
>like I already said but you're admitting so thanks
Dead standing trees are a vital part of forests you dipshit.
>The land never dries anymore
JFC, endless fresh water is a blessing you absolute mouth breathing moron.
You built a house using 1920s tech on a land survey based on 1950s thinking underpinned by ZERO understanding of your biome.
You're mad because you mad a lot of bad decisions and have yet to accept any sort of ownership of your decisions or learn anything from your experience execpt being mad and blaming anyone but yourself.
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>muh biome
Go back to playing minecraft, adults are talking
Yes, I get it, you're not used to thinking for yourself or admitting you were wrong and learning from it.
"Adults" would engage and question but you don't do that. Boomers never do that. The TV is god and the permitting office are experts--you don't have to know anything about nature before building something that's for someone else to do for you.
>lookit lookit I made a castle to keep me safe from explody monsters
That's nice, champ
Video games took biomes from nature not the other way around, you tard
I actually didn't even know biomes were a thing in Minecraft. It makes me respect those that played it more, not less.
Holy shit you are dumb as hell.
>Using them to build the house doesn't make it any better.
Is he supposed to live in a mud hut? You have to cut down trees to build a house you moron. Or are you one of those people who think everybody should be crammed into high-density cities so that we don't interfere with nature?
>So you don't know how to read a map at all or understand anything about ground water or your watershed
Maps don't predict where beavers will build a dam and cause a flood.
>Dead standing trees are a vital part of forests you dipshit.
Ooh so we can't even cut down dead trees now. No more firewood I guess.
>JFC, endless fresh water is a blessing you absolute mouth breathing moron.
Bog water isn't fresh water. It's stagnant shit that smells awful and breeds massive swarms of mosquitoes. You're picturing some kind of picturesque mountain spring or some shit aren't you?
>*Boomer zoning
I don't see a problem.
>Adults
lets try this:
>Is he supposed to live in a mud hut?
There are lots of ways to build a house in a forest that maximizes safety and minimizes the amount of lumber needed to build it. Ironically there is probably a lot of clay in the soil around you if you live near a wetland so that is actually a very good option to literally build it out of mud and seal it with a polymer. The only wood you'd need would be for cabinetry and furniture.
https://www.monolithic.org/monolithic
>Maps don't predict where beavers will build a dam
Beavers don't cause floods, the rain does. Beavers actually mitigate flooding by slowing down water influx.
The Map will tell you where your house sits on your watershed. If you live in an area that is known to have beavers, especially protected ones, than the first assumption you must make is that you cant build within a 10 foot elevation gain of the max river level.
You need to be able to read a map to see this as obvious.
>Ohh so we cant cut down trees for firewood
I never said that, I said dead standing trees are vital part of forests. Over cutting forest is a dead tell that you don't have enough acreage to support your wood demand though.
>Bog water isn't fresh water
No, I'm picturing exactly what you described and I love it. Except the mosquitos, Excessive mosquito population tells me you have a low bird population and your riparian forest is too thin.
Bug infestations are a result of the problem, not the actual problem you need to solve beyond bug netting and screen doors.
You probably have a very low--if any--frog population.
>There are lots of ways to build a house in a forest that maximizes safety and minimizes the amount of lumber needed to build it. Ironically there is probably a lot of clay in the soil around you if you live near a wetland so that is actually a very good option to literally build it out of mud and seal it with a polymer. The only wood you'd need would be for cabinetry and furniture.
Yeah nah I'm not some Kalahari bushman or Pueblo indian. I would never live in a house where the walls are made of fricking clay. It's the 21st century.
>Beavers don't cause floods, the rain does. Beavers actually mitigate flooding by slowing down water influx.
They mitigate flooding downstream of where they build the dam. But upstream it will flood. You don't even need excess rain for that, it's simple physics. Water will "pile up" behind the dam and the water level will rise. This is what human beings call "flooding."
>The Map will tell you where your house sits on your watershed. If you live in an area that is known to have beavers, especially protected ones, than the first assumption you must make is that you cant build within a 10 foot elevation gain of the max river level.
Or the government could just stop being moronic and A) Let homeowners trap or kill beavers who are building dams on their land; B) Not frick over homeowners who are now trying to stop their house from sinking into a bog by legally preventing them from doing anything about it.
>I never said that, I said dead standing trees are vital part of forests. Over cutting forest is a dead tell that you don't have enough acreage to support your wood demand though.
Nobody said anything about over cutting.
>No, I'm picturing exactly what you described and I love it.
How the frick can you love it? It smells putrid. Do you live somewhere where a stagnant shit marsh is an uncommon sight or something?
Also I shouldn't have to use bug netting in my own yard.
Thankyou for verifying you're a superficial moron who thinks wood is a "21st" century building material.
>Water piles up behind the damn
Yes, that's why non idiots don't build right next to rivers.
>Nobody said anything about over cutting
You did--you're just to stupid to realize that you're doing it.
I live right next to a major wetland--the difference is we have a healthy bird population because the surrounding forest is also protected. We also have other insect populations that eat the mosquitos.
Thanks for verifying you're a moronic boomer who's mcmancion got flooded and it's all someone else's fault.
You are like every other boomer I've ever met that lives in a McMansion.
>Thankyou for verifying you're a superficial moron who thinks wood is a "21st" century building material.
It's certainly a more modern building material than fricking clay. How do you even run electricity and other services through clay walls? You can bury them in the clay but if you ever need to access them ever again then digging into your wall will just make it crumble.
>Yes, that's why non idiots don't build right next to rivers.
You don't have to build right next to a river for your property to flood when the river is dammed.
>You did--you're just to stupid to realize that you're doing it.
I'm not even the guy who was complaining about his house sinking into the bog originally. I just agree with him.
>I live right next to a major wetland--the difference is we have a healthy bird population because the surrounding forest is also protected. We also have other insect populations that eat the mosquitos.
Mosquitoes aren't the only annoying insect that lives in a bog. There are many others.
>Thanks for verifying you're a moronic boomer who's mcmancion got flooded and it's all someone else's fault.
I'm not a boomer though. I'm 26.
>You are like every other boomer I've ever met that lives in a McMansion.
Let me guess, any house that's not a mud shack with the smallest possible square footage is a "McMansion"?
>I want the beavers there and I want the wetland--both are more valuable to society than you or your house will ever be and the laws rightfully reflect that.
Too bad it's not your property.
>She still thinks beavers cause flooding and not, you know, the fricking rain
This game of semantics you're playing is really funny. When normal people say "beavers caused my yard to flood" they mean that the beavers built a dam which increased water levels, causing the yard to... you know, flood.
This is a whole bunch of cope from someone that doesn't know what the frick they're talking about at any level.
You don't know shit about construction or construction materials.
You don't know shit about flood plains or water sheds--you don't even know how to read a topological map.
You may not be a boomer but damn you think and act like one.
>not my property
It isn't yours either--you just think it is because you're really stupid. When you're gone the beavers will still be there and you won't be missed. Hell, you're not even allowed to touch the beavers or their dams that area already there (lol your property lamo).
>Beavers causing flooding, not the rain is just semantics
lol
Beavers create wetlands--it is predictable as frick and easy to avoid. That's the crux of why I'm laughing at you: you didn't even try to learn about the land you built on.
Many such cases, sad.
>This is a whole bunch of cope from someone that doesn't know what the frick they're talking about at any level.
And your posts are cope from a treehugging hippie homosexual who cries that people cut down deadwood and build houses out of wood instead of mud.
>You don't know shit about construction or construction materials.
I know more than a moron who legitimately suggests building a house out of fricking clay.
>You don't know shit about flood plains or water sheds--you don't even know how to read a topological map.
Big assumptions based on absolutely fricking nothing.
>It isn't yours either--you just think it is because you're really stupid. When you're gone the beavers will still be there and you won't be missed. Hell, you're not even allowed to touch the beavers or their dams that area already there (lol your property lamo).
Ohh so you're one of those "people" who think that humans shouldn't be allowed to own land and do as they please with the land that they own. Let me guess, you think you should be able to trespass on people's property too?
>Beavers create wetlands--it is predictable as frick and easy to avoid. That's the crux of why I'm laughing at you: you didn't even try to learn about the land you built on.
Yes it is semantics, because when an area becomes inundated with water where it wasn't previously, normal people call that "flooding."
I'm not reading your brain dead ranting anymore.
You're some moronic chick doing moronic woman things and crying about your own bad decisions.
The beavers are significantly more important to society than you will ever be.
Beavers are protected and so are their dams: I win.
I know b***hes smarter than that wiener hungry homosexual.
NTA but
>calls others women
>declares that he "won" an internet argument
I have bad news for you
That wasn't me moron. Learn how to thread on PrepHole and stop saying such obviously stupid things.
>Still crying about beaver flooding
There were two people crying about beavers, anon, I was mocking both.
lol, ok cuck, keep telling yourself that.
>that wasn't me
>learn how to read
Go back through the thread again and get back to me
>protected
Maybe where you live; here they make great jerky
Schizo misanthrope
he still won though--stay mad.
Beaver dam: 1
big mad kaern: 0
>Or the government could just stop being moronic and A) Let homeowners trap or kill beavers who are building dams on their land; B) Not frick over homeowners who are now trying to stop their house from sinking into a bog by legally preventing them from doing anything about it.
I want the beavers there and I want the wetland--both are more valuable to society than you or your house will ever be and the laws rightfully reflect that.
For once I agree with the gubment.
>anon's house is threatened due to beavers fricking up the local area
>"HURR DURR RESPEKK BIOMES"
>beavers dam up a waterway and cause flooding, thereby ruining a previously stable biome
>"HURR DURR MUH NOBLE BEAVERINOS"
anons house is threatened because they're moronic and built it in an idiotic spot.
Either way, I win, the beavers win, and you're going to stay mad.
I'm not mad at you for being moronic and hypocritical. I just wish your parents had made better decisions.
>Hypothetical
LOL, you cant buld because of a beaver dam and you put your house in a moronic spot and spent most of the thread crying about it and accepting no responsibility for a bad decision.
There is no hypothetical--only you being dumb and me laughing at you for doing what I've seen Boomers doing for decades.
>I can't read and think everyone who disagrees with me is the same person: the post
>make a wood house out of natural materials that will be reclaimed by the forest when its no longer needed
>or a shitty mud hut covered in plastic that last for thousands of years
your so fricking moronic anon
also
>riparian forest is too thin
YEAH BECAUSE OF THE FRICKING BEVERS
>Builds a house on a flood plane
>Calls someone else stupid
lol
You're obviously a superficial piece of shit. The only thing you want is nature to serve you the way you want so you can keep up with the joneses and flaunt your wealth. You wouldn't dream of alternative building methods because that would make it hard for you to show off to your city friends.
stay mad moron--there is no arguing with you because you narcissists don't live in reality.
>No, I'm picturing exactly what you described and I love it.
You love your foundation fracturing and your house sinking because of an encroaching marsh that is swarming with insects? You love hordes of termites from all the dead trees swarming to your house? You love the government coming in and telling you to stop trying to prevent these things or pay tens of thousands of dollars in fines every year until you stop trying to keep your house from collapsing?
You don't seem to understand that the swamp is not comfortably across a field, it is literally consuming my house and if you walk 20 feet out my back door you will sink past your knees in stagnant, disgusting stink water.
There is nothing better than nature skullfricking a human.
>I want my home to be destroyed
ftfy
I didn't build on a flood plane moron.
I love that you did something very clearly stupid and now are pretending other people are as stupid as you are.
You have a crackerbox house on a flood plane.
Nothing would make me happier than to see you driven off your land--you'd still refuse to accept any sort of responsibility and endlessly cry about a healthy wetland and aquifer because your precious house couldn't be right on a meandering river.. priceless.
>but but but I didn't
If you love watching nature destroy homes then your home should be on the list. Or is it only okay when it happens to other people?
>Conflating arguments
I didn't build on a flood plane: you did. I know how to look at a map and not put a settlement where it doesn't belong. You don't.
I don't celebrate anything but I can only say I told you so so many times before I tire of repeating myself to morons who aren't even willing to learn from their own mistakes.
>every anon who calls me out for being a hypocritical self-righteous moron is the same anon
My house isn't on a "flood plain", and any animals that try to damage my property get eaten.
>Just call him a hypocrite don't bother with logic or consistency
lol
If you knew anything about watersheds, biodiversity and aquifers you'd be thanking your lucky stars for being blessed with beavers.
The fact that you hate them makes obvious that you're less valuable to society than a rodent.
Oh, I'm absolutely grateful for the beavers. They taste great.
>The demon worshiper enjoys the whole sale slaughter of a species dedicated to creating wetlands.
You're not shocking me at all.
>muh wetlands
Wetlands suck ass. They smell like shit, are full of bugs (which are irritating at best and disease vectors at worst), and render land that was previously useable by humans worthless.
>I hate clean water
yes, as expected of a demon worshiper.
>putting down the occasional pest animal that invades my property is "wholesale slaughter"
Calm down PETA, I'm hardly going to end the species with my one dehydrator
>my house isn't on a flood plane
>Bitches about flooding due to beavers stacking bushes and mud.
I guarantee you're on a flood plane. You wouldn't have any beaver issues if you weren't on a riparian forest edge biome.
Stop using your total ignorance of nature to justify killing animals who are more vital to the planet than you are.
Wetlands VS. boomer McManshion
wow, hard to decide for me
I didn't b***h about beavers, I said I kill them. No b***hing required. You think everyone who disagrees with you is the same anon, who you also think built on a flood plain. You are wrong.
>b-but muh riparian
>muh biome
No. You're wrong. Accept it and move on.
Do you not understand that the "flood plain" wasn't a flood plain until the beavers blocked the river and caused the height of the water to rise beyond what it would ever have been without the dam?
If you knew how to read a map it would make it very obvious how idiotic you sound. Rivers meander and you clearly don't comprehend why.
Rivers meander but that doesn't mean they'll naturally rise several meters.
>shit-stinking stagnant bog water is clean
>I didn't build on a flood plane: you did.
My house was built 2000 feet beyond the upper boundary of the flood plain. There would never have been a problem if the water wasn't raised 40 feet causing the natural berms to fail and permanently alter the water course, causing the land for miles around to saturate and subside.
It would have never been a problem if it wasn't illegal to remove swamp rats from waterways that couldn't handle the added water.
But you know, keep being a moron.
I'm not the moron in a floodplain.
>it's a flood plain if at any point ever in the future the water course changes unnaturally and causes flooding!
Wow look at this moron living in the flood plain.
Are you incapable of reading you moronic ass-raped Black person? I cut down zero trees on my land to build my house. All building plans were approved by surveyors, the flood zone ended acres from the build location, and a 40 acre marsh popping up on my doorstep is not a blessing you anal leakage stricken monkeypox victim.
>40 acres of marsh isn't a blessing
it is
you're moronic to not recognize it because you're cancer.
>I bought land
>Cut down a bunch of trees
>Built a McMansion
>Now I b***h about nature fricking up muh McMansion
You're going to lose your home and land because you're an idiot who doesn't know shit about the trees or animals you displaced to build your home.
None of this happened
Sure, and men in dresses are women, too, huh?
>beavers don't deforest
>but if they do, it's a good thing
>and if it's not a good thing, it's your fault for not stopping them
Pick a lane, moron.
Beavers don't deforest
the rest is you being moronic.
>apex predators
they don't hunt for fun
your house cat isn't an apex predator Karen, it's a pest.
>Beavers don't deforest
>forest all gone because of beavers
Wow, I guess the forest dying off isn't deforestation because you approve of it.
>the rest is you being moronic.
Wow, having a problem with the land around be going from forest to dead marshes full of rotting trees, bugs, and dead cows that wander in it from the surrounding farmland that's also been flooded and destroyed while cityBlack folk sue us land owners for trying to protect our homes is moronic, I see this now and we need to let blackrock have all of our land for free so they can bulldoze it and build commie blocks for immigrants to live in on tax payer money.
So how does pretending to be a fricking moron make you feel?
NTA but beaver dams and ponds aren't permanent. The beavers fell the trees to make the dams, which create ponds that kill trees and then the ponds fill up to become meadows and the the meadows dry and riverine trees come back and the beavers build another dam and the cycle repeats.
Beavers also help mitigate floods by slowing water and providing catchment in drained ponds and can hedge against drought with the same catchment effect as well as raise water tables. They can be an agricultural nuisance and in some places threaten species already under pressure but generally an attitude of live and let live is the best way to go.
Also do you live in fricking Rohan? There's no such thing as a dead marsh; marshes are teeming with life.
>beavers don't deforest if you zoom out to consider a 100+ year long cycle
On the time scale of a single human life I think it's pretty reasonable to say that if the forest disappears and doesn't come back until after you're dead you can safely call the area presently deforested. To say it can't be called deforested because the forest will come back 50-100 years from now is moronic.
>On the time scale of a single human life I think it's pretty reasonable to say that if the forest disappears and doesn't come back until after you're dead you can safely call the area presently deforested.
In much the same way that you can call a burned area being colonized by aspens "deforested".
>To say it can't be called deforested because the forest will come back 50-100 years from now is moronic.
It doesn't take nearly that long. Moisture-tolerant species like willow and alder will rapidly colonize areas that were former beaver ponds and most beaver dams only last a few years.
mitigate floods
Yes.
>>by causing flooding
Locally, yes. They turn low-lying areas into ponds and beaver dams generally have a food or two of freeboard so they have the ability to provide catchment.
>>they can threaten other species
And provide habitat for others. They transform riverine environments into lacustrine environments meaning that species that do better in still or slow-moving water (such as waterfowl) benefit while ones that prefer running water lose out. Depending on the given ecological situation this can be a net positive or a net negative; if your concern is a rare species of amphibian then beavers are a boon but if your concern is species that prefer fast-moving water than beavers are a pest.
>>but just let them do what they want bro
Beavers are frequently a pest and I've helped wildlife departments cull them before, especially when they flood areas with specific conservation goals or block culverts or what have you, and they're tasty as well. They're basically giant aquatic hamsters and have made an outstanding recovery from near extinction in the last hundred years so if they're causing issues feel free to blast away - as long as you stop to think first and don't just kill them on principle.
>if I add reddit spacing it won't be moronic anymore
False
It's pointless getting technical with a big mad Karen and a McManshion dwelling Christcuck. They don't care about anything but status.
this is what to expect--they simply refuse to comprehend that nature doesn't work the way they want it too.
Imagine being unable to comprehend that putting a house on a flood plain is moronic.
>imagine being unable to comprehend that beavers can cause a previously dry area to flood, thereby threatening structures
ftfy
>It's all about me
There is an uncommon trait that you clearly lack that allows one to think in scales beyond their life and to act in a way that isn't completely selfish.
You lack this trait.
You believe "if I can afford it I can do whatever I want" and don't care about anything else.
You're cancer and I wish it was legal to hunt you for sport because you're an invasive species.
>if you say an area is presently deforested, then you're selfish and I want to murder you
Definitely the stance of a very stable and intelligent person
On a long enough timeline all humans will go extinct and every forest will eventually re-grow, you might just need to give it a billion years or so. I guess deforestation just doesn't happen at all and anyone who thinks it does should stop being so selfish and think of the scale of geological ages instead of human lives.
Cry harder, pussy. I'll kill a beaver for damaging my land and if I could get away with running you over for inconveniencing me at a crosswalk I'd do that too.
>Damaging my land
You're the invasive species moron.
Beavers are a keystone species and you're a locust. You think like a locust, live like a locust and your death will be celebrated like the passing of locusts.
Yeah well this locust has a rifle and no patience for property damage, and that keystone species has a head that explodes when you hit it with a bullet and can't juke for shit.
>beavers mitigate floods
>by causing flooding
>they can threaten other species
>but just let them do what they want bro
lol, no
So if I buy a piece of forested land and cut down all the trees, it isn't deforested because the trees could potentially grow back given enough time? lol
>Beavers also help mitigate floods by slowing water and providing catchment in drained ponds
Wow, causing the worst flooding this valley has ever seen is so mitigating! Everyone should be so grateful that their homes are now at risk because of this incredibly flood mitigating flood! Don't they understand that these swamps bring BUGS!?!? Bugs are good because my master tells me I need to eat them to save the planet!
Brain dead puppet homosexual.
>A vanity tree is a non native species or a native species pruned into oblivion to look like some moronic gematric shape.
They're native trees and they're not pruned, moron.
>You also missed the point: beavers don't deforest--they're permaculture experts--and it is easy to keep them from eating trees you don't want them to eat.
When I say "deforest" I mean they cut down the trees on my property. I don't care that it's perfectly natural behavior in a natural ecosystem. I don't want to wait 50 years for my yard to fill in with trees again.
The life in a marsh is not pleasant to actually live next to. I don't want massive swarms of mosquitoes in my yard and I don't want to smell bog water.
>city managers
You know people can live in the country, right?
I have to wonder if you've ever even seen a beaver, let alone dealt with one on your land. They kill a frickton of trees, just like porcupines. Deforest the place? Not really, but they will girdle a hundred year old oak killing it before they realize it's not something they want to eat and move onto your next ancient tree. They will flood half your acreage with their dams. My state lets you kill them without a permit on your land, because they are so destructive.
FWIW they don't make the best eating, but for some reason they are great for bait. Other more delicious animals just seem to love the sent of beaver scent.
>subhumans kill animals "for fun"
> you're at it subhuman you're closer to a locust than a human.
>dehumanizing people for slaying beasts
Stop pretending like you have any moral superiority, you're insane.
>You're insane
Getting called that by someone like you is a complement.
We both know you nigg*rs make biltong
>censoring words on a Djiboutian yodeling forum
You have to go back
I can't, I posted 4 times 15 years ago and still feel dirty. My brother has reddlt gold and It shames me daily... I disowned him.
You dehumanize people because you care more about animal life than human life and you think any slaying of beasts is murder. You can try to brush it off however you want, but that's insane and you're amoral and evil.
Anyway, what do you think of butchering innocent unborn babies in the womb?
>Anyway, what do you think of butchering innocent unborn babies in the womb?
nta but I support tbd. Total baby death. We should launch them all into space.
>killing animals for fun is bad b-because it just is okay?!
I'd love to hunt people like you for sport.
It would absolutely be fun.
Easy there, bismuth, don't want to scare everyone away from the thread
This thread is proof that these people will go to any lengths to justify murdering animals and taking sadistic glee in it. I hope for an alien invasion so these people can get culled, thrown into factories, their houses destroyed, and experimented on for fun by another species. Thats why alien abduction stories even exist, it's people's guilty conscience for treating animals the way they do
Your impotent seething at the fact that there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop me from capping any beaver and/or coyote that crosses my property line is music to my ears.
>You idiots are as bad as the morons that b***h about Beavers.
If beavers are deforesting my yard what am I supposed to do? Just let them cut down all my trees so I can wait 50 years to have privacy again?
hey, i'm about to drop a few thousands going beaver culling in patagonia.
Kill some for me too.
Brown people are this moronic so I'm not surprised at all--cut down that rain forest while you're at it subhuman you're closer to a locust than a human.
Yes, you low IQ's are prone to enjoy violence and destruction. You're incapable of creating anything of value so it makes sense.
humans have been killing for sport for hundreds of thousands of years.You are an over socialized manchild.
We've been killing for sport for maybe a 4000 years. And then only your royalty. Everyone else hunts for consumption. Sport hunting for you peasants is something that didn't really arise til the 19th century, maybe a bit in the 18th century.
our education system has failed
I bet you commute on a bicycle
>We've always done it
>The people that did it are worthy of admiration
You're brown aren't you.
I would like to know more about this, I grew up trapping beaver and love South America, seems like a great time all around.
>Most of the time farmers b***h about coyotes is because they build a farm where there never should have been one
A farm should be wherever humans want to put one. If that bothers other animals, too bad.
Genuinely hope you get mauled to death
seething samegay
>everyone who thinks I'm moronic is the same person
A common cope for your type.
You're a locust, that much is obvious.
>kill all the coyotes
>why are there mice and rats everywhere???
I've been reading about native folklore. They say the animal spirit gifts itself to you. And that in return it's good to be respectful and give some sort of gift in return, even if only symbolic. Just food for thought if you're a superstitious sort
stop smoking weed you massive homosexual
let me share with you the sacred story of Menowantoo, pale face
Leads to more coyotes in the long run.
Not killing enough.
Nice, more to kill
shooting moving targets is fun and the pelts sell for $80. Continue sneeding I'll continue shooting yotes
Firstly cool infographic saving it I have heard this and looked into it more, and yes, it can cause a problem if you are indescribably killing in a general area. I'm just going to pop anyone who pulls up to get the sheep at night. Hopefully they should learn to steer clear, but idk mainly what I have read.
Will you at least eat them or use the skin? Imagine being a massive homosexual psycho and killing animals for no reason
My dad was a sperg about this when I was young, so it was ingrained in me. I made sure that the coyote would either be used by me or taken by my hunting buddy for the pelt, and possibly meat. I still need to watch a "Meat- Eaters" podcast episode on how to prepare coyotes.
Carry on then anon, just making sure it wasn't for no reason
I would personally use the SKS, even though it's not the most accurate thing. Yotes are often ourside shotgun rage. Pick one really good 7.62x39 hunting round and practice with that a lot. Learn about shot placement.
>t. guy who have been hunting yotes since a herd of them came through my parents forest in 2004 and ate literally EVERYTHING THAT MOVES causing a massive imbalance of fricking everything since a land that had squirrels and turkeys and rabbits and porcupines and stuff for 5000 years was suddenly way more quiet and sterile than normal all because yotes are voracious freaks and 20 years later my parents neck of the woods is still pretty much devoid of anything that lives on the ground.
FRICK yotes.
suburbie here whos curious abt out shit. I completely understand that coyotes are a pest and have nothing against ppl killing them, but i do get a bit sad because they remind me of dogs so much and theyre quite beautiful animals imo. Do you guys feel the same conflict?
I don't kill things out of spite or for fun. Coyotes don't bother me unless there are a lot in close proximity. Same goes for most predators. If I'm not going to eat it and it's not destroying my garden, my cabin, or other parts of my property I leave things be. I only kill when I need to. I think a lot of people try to justify killing by grossly exaggerating livestock attacks. All my time on farms and in the woods and I've never heard a direct account of an attack. It's always at least a third hand account of how someone's friend had an uncle that lost a calf. People just enjoy killing coyotes for the sake of killing, but are afraid to just come out and say it because they look like psychopaths. I'd have more respect for someone that just admits it without the bs justification. That way I know who to keep an eye on!
I feel like a gay for admitting this. Thats one thing thats going to be interesting to find out. I feel like the main thing that might initially bug me is the sound, but the other part of me feels like they would lead away my dog and kill it without problem if given the chance.
>but the other part of me feels like they would lead away my dog and kill it without problem if given the chance
They absolutely would
Was PrepHole always smelly hippy infested?
Two morons arguing about off topic bullshit while the chads are massacring coyotes. TCD
planning for TCD this next weekend. My brother has never gone so im going to teach him the ropes.
When out scouting i found some dog prints in the middle for nowhere lots of smaller coyote prints around it. Even accounting for some deformation its a decent size dog.
Op, here you guys eat coyotes I want to try it when I'm PrepHole this weekend but I'm paranoid about diseases/parasites like tapeworms. I know even if I cook it at 160 they will be dead but I'm sketched out by it a bit. Also, appreciate all the help this thread has been great
eat shit n die homosexual
run the sks. I do it with a suppressed 357 lever loaded with 38 wadcutters use a clip on thermal but eh sks will do. Rifle is fine.
City homosexuals are so ignorant.
I like coyotes
Eurogay here. Don't have coyotes around here but want to contribute to the thread.
Foxes are easy, they hear the pained cries of a rabbit in the dead of night and will beeline towards you.
Golden Jackals though, the won't eat that. Best I hear you can play them the sound of a lone male jackal, and a group of them will come to beat up the new guy on the block. You start the shooting with the one at the back, and move ahead. Better not miss because they catch on quick, and the rest of the pack will learn. Rendering the same trick unusable twice at the same location.
Wouldn't recommend the 12 gauge, you need range. Any animal checks the wind thoroughly, so make sure you know where it blows from. Also sticking to one place.
As someone else said, natural moonlight is better. Spotlight, you might have to run it for a new nights until the animals just accept it is a thing, and not avoid it from a mile.
>ITT: a bunch of nerds whiteknighting for beavers they'll never touch
I see nothing much has changed
There is a similarity in that both kinds of beaver will senselessly destroy everything a man has worked for and then get their actions excused without question by desperate loners on the internet
The problem is christcucks have been preaching for 1,000+ years that jesus gave the land to christians to frick over in any way shape or form that they like. Christcuks literally believe it is their responsibility to frick up the planet as much as possible because God wants them to have golf courses and endless suburbs covered in concrete.
The only environmentalist christ cuck is one that already built their McManshin in an old growth forest that they cut down because God said it was theirs do do whatever.
It was not a flood plain.
It was not a flood plain.
It has never flooded here in all recorded history, and has no discernible history of flooding in geological record. The flood plain was well defined and had not changed significantly for hundreds to thousands of years before it was unnaturally altered.
Mixed forests are now dead, fields that were full of wild flowers are now dead. If that's not environmental damage to you, you're literally moronic. Even the honey bees disagree with you, because all of the hives have migrated out of the area.