Could delta force seize and disable a nuclear missile silo in a less developed country like india, north korea or pakistan?
Could delta force seize and disable a nuclear missile silo in a less developed country like india, north korea or pakistan?
Could delta force seize and disable a nuclear missile silo in a less developed country like india, north korea or pakistan?
>india
yes
>pakistan
yes
>north korea
probably not
Don't underestimate India and Pakistan, their armies might be poorly trained and troops might be poorly armed. But a caged rat is still a rat. The one/s guarding the nuke silos are going to be laser focused and they'll deploy their best tech. Not to mention they'd disperse their nukes so failing to operate at the same time would mean one nuke would get through
I hate to shill for the poos i agree. these days most countries could get put together a talented enough force to defend a silo or two, plus a lot of technology to defend a silo has gotten common enough that they could probably just buy it on the open market (see IR, thermals, motion sensors, etc)
just go in when they're taking a break to poop in the yard.
these are some of the best trained and funded security forces in their country, they'll probably have a few porta potties
solution: tip them over when they're shitting
what if they're wearing diapers
then we're all well and truly fricked
>seizing a site specifically selected for its viability as the place to locate high-yield nuclear weapons, with the knowledge that counterforce targeting will light up this site straight away in the event of a nuclear exchange
>with ground forces
they can just bomb you in situ, OP. have you thought thru any level of this?
No. Real life isn't Call of Duty.
>Real life isn't Call of Duty.
no one claimed it was.
shut the frick up pseud. you didn't even give an answer as to why you think it impossible, you just want to feel smart. people like you are the most braindead egotistical creatures out there.
it's a stupid question only a fricking /r/noncredibledefense moron would entertain
>delta goes in
>gets shot by 200 guards at the same time
>the end
>it's IMPOSSIBLE for special operations forces to launch a surprise attack to seize a hardened target okay it just IS no that's not their JOB or anything
There's no reason to think the silo itself would have the launch authorization before the attack occurs, so if you cut them off they can't launch.
>real life isn't CoD
>it's actually Doom
Stupid Black person.
okay man you're right, nuclear sites are guarded by 12 dudes starring at the wall away from each other
"Nuclear site" is really vague. Is this a single silo? A TEL dispersal site? A single TEL? A submarine base or airbase that happens to have a nuclear weapons magazine? A storage site like 12 GUMO?
>okay man you're right, nuclear sites are guarded by 12 dudes starring at the wall away from each other
...that is pretty much how it is, anon. you might have as few as 2 men occupying a building above ground and the rest of the crew will be behind the blast door deep underground. None of them will be particularly well-armed. You can't get through a silo blast door from the outside, so there's basically no purpose to have lots of guards.
Don't they need guards to make sure the people outside don't smoke out all the vents the underground facility relies on for air? I know they try to hide these but presumably special forces would have gotten the facility blueprints before the assault and figured out where those all are.
I guess the defenders could just choose to suffocate and never open the door. They wouldn't be able to launch but the missile would be safe.
the US has plenty of public documentation about its setup. the USAF handles land-based launchers. the role is "missileer" organized under missile wings.
a minuteman missile field is networked, with some amount of redundancy and override logic plus hardening built in to ensure that the below-ground crews can launch despite inaction from other crews. whether this also exposes the whole wing's AO to saboteurs who know which silo to raid to countermand stand-down procedures is unclear to me.
the below-ground crews are in pairs and they have an above-ground team that does some bullshit or another while on rotation. there's a separate QRF per missile wing iirc, expected to heli into the incident area.
the only times when the missileers in control of the silo interface with other staff are during shift changes and when they receive meals from the cook, who travels down.
Real life isn't cod or doom. it's actually tf2.
>delta goes into afghanistan
>gets shot by 200 taliban
>the end
there is no scenario in which the taliban is as fortified as a nuclear site
Pakistan is vulnerable to a Taliban led coup
Didn't that basically happen to the seals or something?
Happened to Delta at objective Gecko which was the assault on Mullah Omars compound in Kandahar. Given that the assault force launched from the USS Kitty Hawk, Delta now technically hold the record for the longest amphibious operation in terms of range in history.
Redwings, but the 200 was made up to save face, it was more like 40.
>6 krauts go in
>Gets shot by 200 Belgradians
>The end
>small team gets attacked by 200 poorly trained and equipped infantry
>small team takes some losses and maybe air support comes in and saves the survivors
>small team kills dozens to hundreds of the larger force
It has happened a lot of times in a lot of places.
>he know r*ddit subs
go back
>Delta goes in
>A chopper goes down like in Black Hawk Down or the raid on Osama's jack shack
>But instead of bumfrick nowhere the mission has to be salvaged on top of a cement anthill crawling with conventional AA
>???
I dunno man, some of this Ukraine stuff sounds like something from cowadoody
Seizing, as monumental of a task as that alone would be, would be child's play compared to either utilizing it's contents or holding it from counter attack.
no because those places are extremely hard to access.
>Could delta force seize and disable a nuclear missile silo
they could get technical guidance from experts, they do that shit all the time. or they could just shoot the staff
Jesus christ is all that haze smog. I bet you’d get minor brain damage just going for a 5 min walk.
could be fog but yeah a lot of places bordering china (best korea, southern mongolia) are fricked on air quality because the chinks do nothing but pump out smog
i was literally only in china for like 10 days and by the end my throat was raw.
and while i was in beijing i went during parade time when they had closed down all the factories in beijing to get a blue sky.
One of the operators on the shawn ryan show talked about this I don' exactly remember who. In short, yes. They specifically train for this scenario. Pakistan transports their nuclear weapons around in normal vans with light security, so as not to draw suspicion. During the GWOT days this was a big concern as the various israelitehadi groups had basically free reign in the country.
Delta Force? No. CIA? Absolutely, and they more than likely already have.
>can door kickers disable a facility
Yes they can, if you bring enough door kickers with enough ISR and air support.
>Can you do it before the facility is alerted and able to fire?
I don't know.
Fundamentally if you can just get a machinegun near enough the launch site you can poke enough holes in a launching rocket for it to explode and kill the machinegunner. That counts as disabling.
Then do what with it, moron? It's not like nuclear missiles have a big red button that says go on them.
Delta force couldn't even handle the hostage situation in Iran without creating a whole catalog of comedy skits, so I doubt it.
I would be willing to bet my life savings the US has a very thought out plan for taking control of Pakistan's nuke stock should jihadis ever take power.
NK just have the Navy and USAF bomb them from air.
The only people Indian nukes will get used on are Pakistanis or Chinese neither of which America cares about.
Short term disabling of a nukes ability to be used as designed would be relatively easy. Seizing and holding a nuke from a determined opponent pretty much impossible.
on the one hand, absolutely not because all the silo operators need to do is close the frickhueg blast doors to keep people out. it's not even a matter of having to fight guards.
on the other hand, an RBMK reactor can never explode because the design is perfect.
In shartistan power fantasies - yes.
In reality, every shartistan president receives a phone call from NK that if its nuclear facilities are attacked, all the nukes come flying no matter who the attacker was.
why do you need to fricking risk men capturing them in storages and silos with inevitable casualties? You have seen no matter how many years you train how soft and fragile a human monkey is with random bullets flying around
If it needs to be disabled it will be a coordinated precision strike campaign on all known nook hideouts (from sea to air to ground storages) coupled with black market offerings to purchase as the highest bigger. Basic stick and carrot. Such will be the fate of vatnikstan nook pile no matter if said soviet junk inheritance still works or not
Yeah, if there's only a few guys defending the silo and they're successfully caught off guard before reinforcements are called in. Bombing it from the air would be a lot more effective though.
meanwhile in reality every paki goatfricker pm when they are either about to get couped or have inbred goatfrickers rioting in streets because the shithole is starving , give the amerimutt prezident a phone call begging either for gibs or intervention blackmailing that otherwise the nookes will switch hands from moderate goatfrickers to radical goatfrickers and as usual in every example of amerimutt foreign policy adventures they fold like morons
lol.
FWIW, even Tom Clancy must've felt like actually sending SOF to seize or otherwise neutralize an ICBM silo was a grim task with low chance of success.
In The Bear and the Dragon, Rainbow along with Spetsnaz assault a Chinese launch site with something like three missiles with 3MT warheads or so under its responsibility or something. *EVEN WITH APACHE GUNSHIP SUPPORT*, the op still goes somewhat sideways, with two missiles getting aloft. An Apache gets a lucky hit on one just on ascent, but can't do shit about the other, and it goes on the way to DC, IIRC. In the process, half the Spetsnaz contingent literally gets vaporized by the launches, too.
If the supreme autist, himself, that was (wrongly) labeled the
>"America saves the day and nothing ever goes wrong for spies or special forces" schlock-writer
seemed to think shit wouldn't be a "success," there's at least reason to think of ways the situation likely gets fricked.
I'd only see a maximum possibility of success if Command and Control has already broken down to the point that the risk of immediate launch is as minimal as you could hope for (most launch sites can't just arbitrarily launch their shit these days). Barring that, shit's too ballsy to work every time, at every launch site.
And that's not even considering the idea of trying to hunt TELs in an alert posture.
>tl;dr sending flesh to attack ICBM sites is fricking ballsy, pushing *hard* against the line of outright moronic.
It's not possible because for mission success they would need several supporting elements. Bringing that much shit in country could lead to outright conflict. We would be doing soft deterrents up until the breaking point, in which case it would be far more than Delta going in. All the planning in the world wouldn't help you if the dudes in the shit got bogged down and pinned in. It would basically be red wings pt 2.
Have you seen how they fricked up Bin Laden's execution operation?
There would be no margin for error and most likely they would end up gagged on some public square to be humiliated.
What the frick is the point? You have a one in a million shot of doing it once, and these countries have hundreds of nukes each.
More like 7.
considering nuclear missile silos are typically hardened with blastproof doors designed to withstand enemy nukes it's very unlikely any ground force would be capable of getting in.
Because the US uses enormous resources to carefully study and engineer something means every corrupt shithole joke in the world does the same. That’s how the 3rd-world in /k/ copes with having trash militaries.
delta force in 2010'ish? yeah.
delta force in 2020'ish? nah. i doubt zoomer spooks nowadays are dumb and stupid
yeah sure why the frick not
>delta force
no. but pic related can.