Could a couple of TOW-equipped Humvees hold their own against enemy MBTs? Say a dozen TOW Humvees encounter a dozen T-90/72s. Could they win?
Could a couple of TOW-equipped Humvees hold their own against enemy MBTs?
Could a couple of TOW-equipped Humvees hold their own against enemy MBTs? Say a dozen TOW Humvees encounter a dozen T-90/72s. Could they win?
Probably not except in some exceptional circumstances.
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Your quiestion is utter nonsense tho, as with most of these posts, the answer is it depends
Former 11-H here.
Short answer: no.
Long answer: when training in peer to peer conflict we practiced tactics to slow armor advances to prepare them for arty and airstrikes. In attack situations we were basically light cav scouts screening flanks. So the answer is again no, but with the caveat we never expected to go head to head without being part of a defense in depth.
I know it is unrecommend to fire a tow over any water due to issues with the wire. Could you explain more on this?
I understand water proofing would be expensive for the length on a disposable
tool but I would assume something made for military use would have to be water resistant to some degree.
Are there any safe zones near water? I.e. firing on the shore over a pond or the target is similarly positioned on an opposite bank it could cross before it draped into the water?
why do you need a dozen, just dodge the tank shots.
Yes, but you’d have to be very good and very lucky.
You’d also need to have aVatnik tier commander to send his tanks in without support.
I’d try and hide my TOWVees unti the Russkis had passed and then dash out , take up positions and zap as many as possible at the first volley, and then Hell-for-leather scamper off, driving like Mad Max on Crack cocaine to avoid the remaining tanks’ fires while the second volley set up and zapped the rest.
Even if you lost 4 TOWVees to take out one tank, that’s a win, (though not for the poor goobers in the TOWVees). This would be WW2 “Shermans vs. Tigers” arithmetic.
Why on earth would you give up your range advantage? You shoot as soon as they cross the threshold and fall back, then do it again. If you plan and execute correctly the tanks never get you within range of their main guns. Letting them pass you just gives them every chance in the world to spot you and engage you, and when shit goes sideways you're stuck having to escape through their lines while they have you under fire.
I’m assuming that these TOWs wouldn’t have the warhead to defeat modern armor, the TOW is after all, a 1970s design.
And Im also not sure that TOWVees could engage them at long range. The new standard tank gun is a 120 or 125mm, not the 105 of earlier decades
Also, the Russkis DO have artillery and glide bombs, and if nothing else they are generous about using them.
Now if a group of TOWVees can use their smaller size and easier Camo to lay doggy while the tanks pass them, they’ve got ass-shots at them. The tanks will be focused forward, not their six, and this buts the TOW Gunners time to make their hits. If not catastrophic “top-poppers”, then at the least engine kills, (which in modern combat is essentially just a slow motion catastrophic…they’ll send the drones over to boof the hulk later.
In any event, it would be a dicey proposition, but asking TOWVees to stand up to MBTs and take good shots while being suppressed on a static FEBA is something close to asking them to commit suicide, (and it also negates the TOWVess, strength, which is small size, speed, and relative ease of concealment.
They managed to keep up with the times pretty well actually. The standard TOW today, and the one sent to Ukraine is the 2B which is a top attack. Although its profile is different than a Javelin's. The one before that and I think also sent to Ukraine is the 2A which has tandem warheads and meant to defeat ERA.
Ukraine did it without the humvees
That’s an NLAW, a point-and-click tank remover for close-range engagements. A TOW is an old-school wire-steered missile and completely different.
Modern TOW does not use a wire.
Yeah probably, assuming it's an ambush of tank column and the humvees are hiding in a nearby forest like on this anon's webm:
>2 humvees vs 12 T90s
the only way the humvees would win is if they're thoroughly prepared & have a terrain advantage, essentially an ambush
you might as well be asking if 2 guys can win a knife fight against 12 guys
moron.
If these are modern TOWs with the new sight and those T-90s are being crewed by Russians of the level of incompetence we've seen in the war then yes.
If they're somehow competent Russians then no, the HMMWVs are going to get fricked.
Yeah, just give 'em the ol shoot n scoot should work every time without fail
Replace the TOW with Javelins and maybe. TOWs are SACLOS so they have to stay put and guide them in. If they are spotted then the tanks can shoot back. And tank guns are faster than ATGMs. If its a Javelin, they can fire and scoot.
>Could a couple of TOW-equipped Humvees hold their own against enemy MBTs?
probably not, since the TOW-humvee was considered totally crap at its job and was replaced by the M3 brad at the first oppurtuity
> Say a dozen TOW Humvees encounter a dozen T-90/72s. Could they win?
if the humvees had a good ambush spot that let them fire first and they had TOW-2Bs that could attack their roof armor, then they could
but M3s would do a lot better in the same situation and wouldnt get slaughtered in other situations
>itt warthunder morons
Every MBT has a laser warning system.
The gun is pointed where the laser comes from and all it takes is a pedal to make the laser go away.
Even still smoke is always there.
TOWs are shit
TOW's aren't laser guided moron.
Oh yeah lol
Been playing too many cold war wargames that's pretty sick tbh
>hold
they can delay if they are lucky.
It takes longer for a TOW to reach the target than for a tank to shoot, hit, reload, shoot, and hit again. Plus the tanks will be spraying coax nonstop. If they're not incompetent, their attached arty/mortars will be airbursting shells over suspected ATGM fioring points in synch with the attack too.
You had me till the coax part. The TOW's range is over 4 kilometers. No coax MG is reaching that far. If they see the launch then the TOW crew is in trouble. But if they don't then they are fricked. That's why its important to properly form your ambush. You cant stand and fight tanks with a tow. But you can ambush them very effectively.
>The TOW's range is over 4 kilometers
maximum range
average engagement range is under 2km because massive 4km long sightlines are rare
firing the MG at enemy missiles was an actual tactic that was practiced by both US and soviet crews because missiles almost always fired well below their actual maximum listed range due to to limitations in terrain and battle space
You shot toward the dude guiding the missile, not the missile itself. If you can psyche him out hard enough he abandons his guidance system you're in the clear. Spotting the backblast gives his position, and unlike the missile he is an immobile target.
>average engagement range is under 2km because massive 4km long sightlines are rare
Not in ukraine where ATGM crews regularly take >4000 m shots with stugnas. At this range, the launch is impossible to spot, and the target would not be visible to the bare eye, only in telescope and in the stugna electro-optical sight.
>Not in ukraine where ATGM crews regularly take >4000 m shots with stugnas
what are you talking about, ukraine ranges have been about as short as they are anywhere else, super long range engagements are rare because the terrain itself limits it
No. No guarantee a single TOW will take out a tank.
Of course. If you stick in four missile defenders and a pathfinder in each, and you’ll frick up anything and everything you might run across. Tanks, infantry, aircraft, everything.
Short answer, no. Humvees are too vulnerable to being softkilled by HE and the TOW needs Line of Sight all the way to impact. A tank can take a shot and then pop smoke.
That being said, TOW equiped Humvees can delay or ambush their number in MBTs. They're much smaller and faster so Humvees can hide better and run when the tanks turn to engage them.
Could they win, yes, but it's unlikely.
everybody knows the current meta is load up 5 soldiers with javelins in a humvee and have a bunch of rockvees launch a rocket barrage and keep kiting tanks.
Works everytime.
That depends. Are the tanks being crewed by Russians?
Why not 2 soldiers on e-bikes with Javelins?
A <<well placed>> platoon of AT could very easily frick up a russian tank company with minimal losses
Onviously the humvees wouldn't win a head to head fight but in an ambush, different story
Depends on tactical situation.
A bunch of Tow-vees on doing pop-up ambush on a hill protected by minefield and obstacles while shooting out to 4km can pwn a bunch of MBTs caught in the open.
While in a confused close range meeting engagement the humvees would get destroyed.
The general success of ATGM shooters is that they generally don't have to engage in unfavorable situations if one is on the defense and willing to give up some ground to set up a favorable engagement.
It would require a lot of incompetence from the enemy. So when it comes to Russians, it's possible.