conservation corps

I was a crew leader in the largest conservation corps in the US. Ask me anything.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    these people are more PrepHole than you will ever be

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Funny, that's how I feel about the majority of nu-PrepHole after having worked outside for more time than some of the posters here have been alive.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    how much hairy smelly gash did you smash?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Had a gf in the conservation corps. The male to female ratio was about 70/30.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        answe the damn question

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Damn. I did a season with Southwest CC. 100% dudes. Other crews got luckier.

        I built like 100 yards of the AZT, so yay I guess.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Every bit helps.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      My exgf that was in a CC was in such good shape. Big blonde German girl. The way her abs would roll like a wave when she'd cum... fuggg.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I was part of the California Conservation Corps (CCC) back in July 2019- August 2020. Easily the greatest year of my life. I was out in Northern California in a small town called Fortuna in Humboldt County. We did all sort of projects including habitat restorations, invasive plant removal, fire restoration, chainsaw work, and a few others. I did a bunch of volunteer work and stuff outside of work and it really gave me a real sense of discipline and a need for hard work I never had within my 20 years of life (at the time). It really changed my outlook on life and helped me for the better. I miss it everyday

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah the Cs were pretty great.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How are the people? Do you find its easy to make friends on the crew? Does everyone usually get a long? Its a lot of time to spend in the backcountry with random people

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The crews I was on were tight. Pretty much everybody got along well, if there was a problem child they'd be canned with a quickness.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Easily the greatest year of my life
      Same, wish I did it more instead of chasing better paying jobs but I'm in my late 20's now. I was in NCCC in 2017-2018. We bounced from Northern Cali doing trail maintenance and post-fire restoration, to Bozeman, MT helping to build housing, and then back to Northern Cali to do prescribed fires and project work around a forest.
      Gave me a great worth ethic instead of gaming all day and showed me parts of the US I would never have seen since I never traveled anywhere as a kid. It gave me all the certifications to work a couple seasons in wildland firefighting.
      I recommend it to everyone.

      I was gonna apply this year and didn't
      How was the work? Just digging firelines and such or were there some actually interesting things?

      I might still next year, but debating it with a seasonal forester position

      I'd say if you have any interest in doing conservation corps despite the low pay, I would recommend that before a seasonal forestry position. There's also AmeriCorps St Louis which is an Emergency Response Team - less backcountry type work but you'll still get opportunity to do wildland fire.
      These programs are really fun when you're young but if you're older and like being treated like an adult/having more freedom, then I'd recommend just going seasonal forestry.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Do you think there is better opportunity for career advancement working a seasonal position for the forest service or doing one of those conservation corps positions? I was going to join a crew for American Conservation Experience but then I applied to forest service jobs and got a ton of offers and they pay better.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not that anon, but several of my crew immediately hired on with the NFS as wildland firefighters after leaving the corps. Another hired on as a fish and game warden despite no college and no law enforcement experience. So it seems to be a good way to move to a different agency.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Way more advancement in the Forest Service and related agencies. Start out as a seasonal or look into the Apprentice program to move into a permanent position. Conservation corps experience and networking definitely transfers over though - a lot of federal agencies sponsor them and hire people from them. I met so many BLM and Forest Service employees in NCCC and got references and tips on applying.
          The federal agencies have been hurting for numbers lately so you're almost guaranteed a job if you apply on USAJobs and get through resume screening.
          Search for park ranger, trail maintenance, or 0462 for Forestry Tech and Fire positions.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I did get a position on a botany crew in a forest. I'll be treating invasive plants mostly. I got offer many trails and fire positions but they don't seem worth it for career prospects. From reading online, it seems like its hard to get a permanent position in federal agencies. I think I could have an easier time getting something for the state, or a private company, or a small park district eventually

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        I signed up for NCCC just before covid hit so I didn't end up going. I wasn't too broken up about it though. They assigned me to the campus that's literally an hour away from me. I wanted to get the frick out of my region and see the US. Not be trapped quarantined in a room an hour from home. Anyways now I'm too old unless I want to be a team leader.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Im 27 now, can I still join or is it over?

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's over.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like a dream. I wish this was a possibility in Europe.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I was gonna apply this year and didn't
    How was the work? Just digging firelines and such or were there some actually interesting things?

    I might still next year, but debating it with a seasonal forester position

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I was with the California Conservation Corps, it's probably different in other states. The work was varied enough to avoid boredom but some jobs just sucked, like pouring and finishing 1500 cubic yards of concrete in the middle of summer, or being the ground crew for CalTrans tree guys on 30 miles of I-5. Luckily, there's plenty of floods to sandbag and wildfires to mop up. Mostly, it seemed we were the go-to trail building crew for a large area in Northern California, which suited me fine. I also went backcountry to work on trails in Yosemite, and I was assigned to a crew that worked on a coastal nature preserve. It's definitely worth the low pay.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It looks fun, but I'm too old apparently. Why the age limit?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because these programs are set up as a way to direct urban kids toward a somewhat more meaningful existence.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        hows that working out eh

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        why isn't there a program set up to direct an urban late 20s loser toward a more meaningful existence?

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Because they aren't worth anything. What meaningful thing can you get out of an overly urbanized, unskilled, uneducated, failure-to-launch loser who is already passed their physical prime?

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >late 20s
            >past physical prime

            You must be 18 to post here.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          No one gives a shit about you after 22. Honestly it's a miracle the age limit goes as high as it does. If you're not used to it then you better work on getting used to it. Life will keep closing down on you. Soon you won't be able to book spots in certain hostels while traveling. After 31 you can no longer get a working holiday visa in most countries. Shit like that. The opportunities begin drying up fast.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Im 27 now, can I still join or is it over?

          you homosexuals could get an entry-level seasonal position with one of the federal labd management agencies and actually get paid for your time, and anyone who gives a frick about conservation corps on a resume in the first place is going to be more impressed by fed fire/trails/timber/fuels/etc time

          how does one get into this? Can a Canadian join the US CC? I'm looking for things to do once I'm out of the forces and things like this and fighting fires are tempting.

          see above, though without US citizenship you're probably looking at private contractors. Grayback and Firestorm have a decent rep in fire and will still pay better than the Cs.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but then you gotta deal with the mountain of bullshit that comes with working for the feds. I hate the Albuquerque HR office so fricking much

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              There's not that much bureaucratic bullshit if your job is to just clear forests and maintain trails. That's probably the lowest paid and simplest fed job in existence, so nobody cares to inundate it with red tape.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                nah,

                Yeah but then you gotta deal with the mountain of bullshit that comes with working for the feds. I hate the Albuquerque HR office so fricking much

                is right, it isn't terribly uncommon for abq hr to make stupid mistakes that make life unnecessarily difficult for gs3 pulaski motors and brush launchers. I still think it's generally a better bet than working for free for an organization that thinks it's your parents. My impression is that BLM/USFWS/NPS HR usually works a bit better than FS, but they do piss test their seasonals.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >they do piss test their seasonals
                Bruh.

                If that's a major hurdle for you, then you need to sit down and rethink your life.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not for me, no, but it seemed like the sort of thing people should know in advance.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not entirely true. I've had a number of jobs that absolutely loved hearing about my crew leadership experience with CCs. Even data entry and survey jobs related to shit like solar panels or wind turbines

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because these programs are set up as a way to direct urban kids toward a somewhat more meaningful existence.

      Because you're more of a workers comp liability when you're older

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      It varies by state, Utah has no upper age limit.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      as others have said, plus they probably don't want the oldies being a bad influence on the youth (and trying to frick them). It's not uncommon to separate pre/post 22 like this for those kind of reasons. This kind of work can have a certain miserableness to it that teens and early 20's don't mind whereas a 30-something year old will take umbrage and potentially bring a bad attitude.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        When I did it there were some people that never even camped before. They were all studying to become environmental lawyers lol. But they adapted quickly and didn't complain much so I can't make too much fun of them.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What kind of gear do you recommend for conservation corps? Cheaper stuff to easily replace or expensive more durable stuff? For example, have cheap rain gear(frogg toggs) that I barely use because I dont hike in the rain. I'm assuming now that we will be working in the rain so these might not hold up. Should I spend a lot on a more dependable rain set or will they get torn up? Any specific rain gear recommendations for backcountry work?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Boots suitable for wildland firefighting such as Whites or Wesco, or Red Wing Loggers if you won't be on fires. Plan on spending at least $400 for boots, anything less will be more expensive in the long run because you'll just end up buying a quality boot after destroying your cheap boots in the first two months. Do not buy any boot with gore tex or other waterproof liner, it'll leak within a month anyway.

      Rain gear: PVC or heavy duty PU coated bibs and rain jacket. You'll spend a few hundred on a decent set but again, if you cheap out you'll destroy them in a day of clearing brambles or brush, or serious trail work.

      Pants: Loose jeans or poly-cotton outdoor work pants, but no poly allowed on a fire because it'll melt to your skin. You'll be issued Nomex fire gear for fires. You'll also be issued a helmet and maybe goggles but bring sunglasses.

      Leather work gloves, whatever fits. You'll need a few pair.

      You'll need a pack to carry your rain gear, water, lunch, first aid, and stuff like chainsaw bibs, extra saw chains, and files. It'll get oily, greasy, muddy and generally beat up so don't bring an expensive pack, but make sure it can take a beating.

      You'll need sunscreen, lots of NSAIDS, a blister kit, lots of good socks, etc. I'd bring a fleece jacket, no gore tex or other lightweight stuff. Take care of your boots and they'll take care of you. Also, get fit enough to carry a shovel in one hand and a McLeod in the other with 30 pounds on your back up two miles of steep trail every day. Do lots of pushups, crunches, and run two miles in the morning and two miles in the evening.

      I'm sure there are conservation corps programs that are designed for today's special snowflakes but why bother? The fun shit is always the hardest.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I wont be doing trail work. I got on crew as a "habitat restoration member" It sounds like I will be spraying invasives and helping with plant and wild life surveys. So I will still be hiking in rugged terrain and the hitches are long, 8 days on 6 days off. No construction or fire or anything.

        Would you still suggest heavy duty bibs and a jacket over a gore tex rain suit for a job like that? If so, whats a good durable rain suit that can be packed relatively easy? I'm assuming I dont need to carry a weeks worth of food since we use a truck or mules to pack stuff in so I was planning on using an old 32 liter pack. I have to pack my sleep system, clothes, toiletries, and everything else besides food. I think some bibs and a jacket like you're suggesting might be too bulky.

        I was planning on using my Salomon GTX 4d boots. They seem good enough.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Gotcha. I guess it depends on how brutal the work is and what the climate is; I'd talk to the corps about what they recommend and go with that. If you'll be exposed to gnarly summer thundershowers at a higher altitude I'd still go with a waterproof PVC or PU coated jacket (and maybe rain bibs or pants) but in a lightweight design -- roll it up and strap it to your pack. Once you get to spike camp and shed a lot of weight, carrying heavy rain gear on the daily marches to the restoration area won't be as bad as you think. I definitely wouldn't bring gore tex (or any other hiking raingear) if you bring PVC or PU raingear. Your GTX boots will probably be fine; if they start breaking down you'll have enough time to get some new ones. Sounds like you're gonna have fun!

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Conservation corps is know for terrible leadership, why haven't your skills gotten you a job somewhere else?

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There is absolutely no reason for them to have mud on their face besides doing it for the photo.
    t. Worked all day in the mud and rain this week

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Don't underestimate the clumsiness of women

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I work in marshes and the women there are capable of not falling over like morons.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      "Teens" aren't required to actually work.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      And suspiciously absent on their necks.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I love how she rubbed mud on her expensive gortex jacket

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        i get dirty at work, it's weird how your neck doesn't get very dirty but your face and hands do.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a photo shoot. Don't think about it too much.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    how far away are the stars?
    how do i join an minecraft server?

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I was in the cc back in high school during summers

    The pay was shit compared to what I make now that I have actual skills but it was a decent summer gig

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We should've picked our own cotton.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      if the cotton gin had been invented just a few decades earlier

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This country will spend the rest of its life paying for that mistake.

  12. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    What was the work culture like and what we're your co-workers like politically/ socially.
    Specifically I am curious if your co-workers were a bunch of gay hippies? down to earth folks? apolitical outdoorsmen? alt-right naturalists? Etc.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      The work culture was great, everyone worked hard, and like I said, if anyone was a slack ass they'd be booted. Politically, people kept their mouths shut unless it was a conversation between two or three people after work. Some of my co-workers were very liberal, some conservative, but there wasn't any polarization like we see today. I was (and still am) an environmentalist; I imagine it would be weird to join a conservation corps and not care about the earth. We were all pretty down to earth, no serious weirdos.

      This was a long time ago in the Bay Area. Nowadays it's probably a bunch of ultra liberal morons and trannies.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'd assume most of them are liberal, and therefore have a shit work ethic and a superficial interest in nature.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Does the Bay even do nature conservation anymore? What is there to even conserve there? Unless you're counting Lake Chabot.

        @2581677
        Lurk moar, reddit-spacer.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lotta wetlands restoration going on right now and of course there's the endless French Broom removal. We've got a butterfly endemic to a couple hillsides in SF since those are all that remains of their habitat. We also have the SF garter snake who's habitat is limited to a few wetlands in the peninsula.

  13. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can you do that as a non US citizen? Seems pretty fun.

  14. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >put my application in 2 hours after deadline
    Got a guiding job for the summer though.

  15. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hunters do more for wildlife conservation than any other groups.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tbh that's not much of an achievement. Other groups contribute zero, hunters contribute enough to have land to hunt game on.

  16. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    have you ever poped in a tree hole before planting a tree
    does anyone use tree saplings as dildos
    whats the pt test involve?

    why do you think we are having so many forest fires?

  17. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hear it can be required community service by a court order, did you see any of those people? were there any racial conflict or gays?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      When I was in the CCC there weren't any adjudicated members but of course that may have changed by now. There wasn't any racial conflict but that may have been because of the 50 corpsmembers on our campus, only 2 were black, and oddly, they were both gay -- one male and one female. I think there was two or three hispanics. I believe the reason for the chill atmosphere was because the work was hard enough to dissuade lazy people from even applying, and we had to work as a team 100% of the time. The picrel in my OP is of the New Mexico Conservation Corps and you can surmise what that outfit is like -- those girls wouldn't last a day in the CCC.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >mud on faces
    >none on hands
    I spent like 5 minutes in my garden before doing some very basic gardening and my hands turned fricking black.
    my question is: how effective was your work in the long run?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The work we did was solid and meant to save taxpayers money by using us as cheap labor for things that the state needed, such as sandbagging flooding rivers and levees, fighting fires, trimming trees along highways, constructing and maintaining trails, and building concrete paths wide and thick enough to support fire trucks. We built a couple of bridges and cleared acres of invasive vegetation. I chose the picrel because it's funny and not representative of the California Conservation Corps. We didn't pose for stupid photos; we were too busy actually working, and too tired to mug like chimpanzees.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >We built a couple of bridges
        that's super nice and good.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    how does one get into this? Can a Canadian join the US CC? I'm looking for things to do once I'm out of the forces and things like this and fighting fires are tempting.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just do this shit myself.
    Every week I clean a quarter mile out forest by the grid and fill my domestic bin week after week to get rid of it.
    As a rule I don't redo areas, too depressing.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I just do this shit myself.
      anon, don't shit yourself! god, atleast do it in the a hole and cover it up!!

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bumb

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do they only hire American citizens?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Look up Americorps in the state you're interested in for a definitive answer. But probably, yeah, just Americans. Your country might have something similar though

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine the smell

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    How did these morons get so muddy, and why is one wearing a hardhat?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They have to look cute in a derpy way for the marketing photoshoot.

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