I'm getting the same feelings I had in early-mid 2019 about serious coming ammo issues, and last time I had this feeling my expectations managed to be greatly exceeded despite everyone telling me there's no way it could be as bad as I anticipated. This time it feels like it's going to be something I really can't hope to have enough ammo stocked up to prepare for. Is anyone else feeling the same?
>This time it feels like it's going to be something I really can't hope to have enough ammo stocked up to prepare for.
the commies and rightists in america have no wind left in them, corpo-liberalism and a return to "normalcy" lies ahead. even a major stock plunge or a currency reset would not deviate us from this path, and china is not risking a war until the 100th anniversary of the people's republic in 2049
OK, so what you are saying is that you haven't stocked up yet?
That's nobody's fault but your own.
>you haven't stocked up yet
We're still in the midst of a massive ammo shortage if you haven't noticed. I'm still leaning on my pre-2020 supply to avoid being raped on pricing, although I've had to ration it. A large portion of what I'd want to stock up on is still about 2x 2019 prices or more.
That's the way it is and it isn't going back down. U either buy it at today's prices or you buy at tomorrow's higher price.
>U either buy it at today's prices or you buy at tomorrow's higher price.
even if the fed raises rates to 10% we're fucked considering this is the average american sentiment
Why do you think public consumption has shown no slow down at all? Everybody trying to get theirs so they got something before it all collapses.
Sp what you're saying is that you aren't stocking up despite believing things will get worse.
You are a moron. You've realized a probable threat and refuse to take action against it, you get what you deserve.
>That's nobody's fault but your own.
>We're still in the midst of a massive ammo shortage if you haven't noticed. I'm still leaning on my pre-2020 supply
I am shooting ammo from the 1980's. You are GOING TO DIE! (Or not, but I know people who think you will. But yeah I have a fuckton of ammo I bought. )
>turning 21 next year
>going to get handgun
>mfw i'll have to stock up on a new caliber in an election year
Good luck anon, 9mm is the only popular caliber where there's no longer a shortage, and it now costs about 50% more than it did pre-2020 even after adjusting for inflation. About when in the year are you turning 21?
next february, probably getting a revolver. how are .357 and .38?
>how are .357 and .38?
Consider reloading though, projos for 38 especially are generally fuggin cheap.
i've read that redhawks accept moon clips for .357, could you fire 9mm from one of those?
You'll need something with a dedicated 9mm cylinder. 9mm cases are slightly wider and will only drop about half way into a .357 chamber. .380 could work as the cases are about 4 thousandths of an inch thinner, but I really wouldn't recommend it without further research.
>.380 could work as the cases are about 4 thousandths of an inch thinner, but I really wouldn't recommend it without further research.
After a quick search, someone on castboolits has done it (of course), but it requires custom/modified moon clips to fit the .380 rim. It's neat, but I really don't think it's worth it unless reloading somehow completely stops being viable given current .380 prices.
how about https://ruger.com/products/newModelBlackhawkConvertible/specSheets/0308.html
And 38 was FUCKED during covid. Fuck me was it fucked. Like $2 a round fucked and barely available.
Assuming nothing else happens, election panic buying would previously start ramping about half way through the year when primaries were ending and people knew who the candidates were, but who knows this time around.
>how are .357 and .38?
Even worse. As this anon said:
, reloading can save you money vs new ammo for those calibers, but consider that even if you do get into reloading you're at best only going to get 3-4 cents under the current lowest prices for 9mm that isn't remanufactured garbage due to how bad the primer shortage is right now with almost all primers going to new ammunition.
kek I'm a youngfag too and I also decided to get a .38 instead of 9mm. But I knew what I was doing. it's like double the price of 9mm. But at least I have a cool snubby now.
define cheap. I'd like to try reloading, but I don't have a press or any reloading equipment
>define cheap. I'd like to try reloading, but I don't have a press or any reloading equipment
You can get a reloading press you will use for any caliber up to 338 lapua, that will last you the rest of your life, for like $150 (seriously, I'm using my grandpa's RCBS Rock Chucker).
You buy new dies for each caliber you want to reload, those are like $30-50 depending on what dies you get and what caliber.
Then you need to get a scale and probably a powder measure too.
So figure $250-300 bucks gets you all the necessary tools that you'll need for your entire life.
Then, it's just powder, primers, and projectiles, which all vary.
To give you an idea though, Natchez has Berries 125gr basic copper plated projectiles, $102 for 1000, and you can get 1000 CCI small pistol primers for $90. For Unique powder, you can get a pound for $38 and that will do 1000 rounds easily, probably more like 12-1400 38 specials.
So that's $230 for a thousand rounds so long as you've already got the brass, vs probably $500 minimum for factory 38 right now.
If you bought the reloading equipment at the same time as you buy your supplies, you're basically neck and neck, once again assuming you've got spent brass.
The main benefit to reloading is in bulk shooting though.
If you're going through less than 100 rounds a year then it's only really worth it as a novelty, or if you're a precision competition shooter or are reloading for some niche caliber that you can't just buy whenever you want it.
Why are we anticipating another panic? Secular electioneering to capture white female exurban voters, or did we see it in a dream?
Other than that election years bringing about panic buying has been the norm since 2008, and that a lot of the tensions that made the 2020 panic buying as bad as it was really haven't been eased and in some cases have worsened?
They say the US is due for a recession, so I'd worry more about stocking up on shelf stable food staples in bulk like rice, flour, sugar and yeast. Ammo would be a wise thing to stock up on just because of supply shortages and worsening inflation.
>They say the US is due for a recession, so I'd worry more about stocking up on shelf stable food staples in bulk like rice, flour, sugar and yeast
Are you retarded?
So considering current prices and post 2020 gun owners being willing to pay more for ammo, how apocalyptic are panic prices going to look in the short term by the time of the election next year? I remember seeing pic related in January 2021, and now the normal going price for .223 is almost 2x what it was before that shortage started with 9mm selling for what .223 used to sell for.
From what I understand, which may be bullshit, the Russian ammo ban will take effect late this year. As soon as it dries up expect +.10 to every round assuming other countries don't pick up the slack. When the election panic actually hits that will make things significantly worse. I'd be surprised if 9mm isn't nearing 40 dollars a box by Nov next year.
I base this off theory on horseshit and a gut feeling, but it's a strong feeling.
>As soon as it dries up expect +.10 to every round assuming other countries don't pick up the slack.
IIRC, there's already steel cased ammo from Turkey and some eastern European country now lined up to fill the void as of Shot Show earlier this year, so I don't think we'll see prices jump much from current levels like people initially expected. I don't have videos to link though as I watched a lot of Shot Show coverage, and I'm not sure who's videos covered the steel cased ammo.
The fuck are you all on about 9mm 223/5.56 and 7.62x51 is cheap again you broke ass morons. If you shoot anything else you should be reloading anyway
>9mm 223/5.56 and 7.62x51 is cheap again
>t. someone who didn't own guns before 2020
More like someone who remembers how expensive shit was after sandy vagina you dumb child. 6 bux a box of .223 is CHEAP
>6 bux a box of .223 is CHEAP
Let me guess, you're buying online at some place online that offsets their low cost per box with particularly high shipping, and aren't including the cost of shipping.
moron if you think this is too expensive for 600 rounds you are actually broke. Plenty of places do free shipping on bulk. 39 cents a round is NOTHING, I remember when this shit was up to 80 cents a round
>39 cents a round is NOTHING, I remember when this shit was up to 80 cents a round
So you're a post 2020 gun owner who's pretending to have been into guns before 2020. .223 was at 80c/round for such a short period of time after Sandy Hook that you could have missed it if you weren't one of those people who completely run down their supply of ammo before buying more.
What the fuck are you talking about? shit hovered around 80 to 70 cents a round for almost the entirety of 2013 until around 2014 when it bottomed out around 40 cents. Look homie if you really wanna psyop the newbs into thinking they're too broke to buy ammo be my guest but to say an entire year was "a short period of time" is retarded as shit. Im sorry it isn't 2006 anymore and you can't buy 223 for like 23 cpr but 39 cpr is not fucking expensive dude.
>shit hovered around 80 to 70 cents a round for almost the entirety of 2013 until around 2014
No, it didn't.
>if you really wanna psyop the newbs into thinking they're too broke to buy ammo
>No it didn't
Yeah sure thing hoss, you keep telling yourself that while you continue to not buy ammo because 39cpr is too expensive for you lmao.
Just because you too fucking stupid to find deals doesn’t make us skizo
You have no proof to support your claims you fucking gay, there are however charts from luckygunner i believe that will prove you wrong you miserable piece of shit.
Didnt exist, those were tula prices you stupid lying fuck
That chart doesn't really help your response to him tbh.
Not in 2013/14, and over the span of the year it tracks, everything practically doubles or more.
Also, who tf was paying .70c for fucking 12 gauge?
Fucking stupid bitch, even during the golden years when walmart sold all the ammo around 30cpr was a very good price for brass cased ammo. Fucking poorfags.
>223 was at 80c/round for such a short period of time after Sandy Hook
80 cents inflation adjusted to now is 1.02
when everything is expensive nothing is
>he doesnt know about buying 20 round boxes of M855 for 4.99 a box
So how much panic buying would we be looking at if the 2024 elections go the wrong way?
How far do you want to go with "the wrong way"? That could include as much as a January 6th do over, the current talk about "national divorce" starting to become more than just talk, and a federal ban on online ammo sales.
>more than just talk
wait what's going on now?
>civil war panic buying, no online ammo sales so you're stuck with bare local shelves, and a good possibility of no ammo shipments in general if you live in the wrong area
I hope the people I'm stuck sharing the country with aren't retarded enough to make this happen, but really they probably would. What are the chances of the dems getting control of the house, senate, and presidency though?
>What are the chances of the dems getting control of the house, senate, and presidency though?
>Trump Calls DeSantis 'Wheelchair Over the Cliff Kind of Guy'
>Matt Gaetz is a sex trafficker
>MTG is just full blown psychopath
>about half the house R members make Mitch McConnell look like a normal human being.
>Fox News STILL (as in last night) going on about Obama, Hunter Biden laptop, Afghanistan pullout, etc. because they apparently have nothing else to scream about
>Republican party CONTINUES to push the dumbest slack jawed mouth breathers as candidates somehow in every election from local on up, some kind of fucking miracle when one gets in despite themselves
Fucking odds don't look great for the future of the Republican party from any view I can reasonably take.
Realistically, what would be good non firearm options to fall back on for this scenario when ammo prices get fucked indefinitely, but the shit doesn't hit the fan and you're still going to work every day?
Secession got rebranded as "national divorce", and now even members of congress are talking about it.
Break action air rifles are effective and cheap, but slow. Gun ranges are more than happy to take your money if you want to practice with them there too.
Actually now that you bring them up, air rifles can get pretty serious with some of the high-powered models.
There are 45 cal air rifles out there using air tanks that push supersonic velocities, they're no joke, something like 600 ftlbs of energy.
Not cheap of course, like $1200, but that's something you could reasonably hunt a whitetail deer with.
Get a bicycle pump and start casting wheel weights into a bullet mold and you could probably shoot and hunt for free.
Big bore airguns are absolutely a fucking meme. For the money you need to pay for them and the support hardware they need, along with the space all that takes up, you are honestly better off just stocking up on appropriate ammunition. Only the very top end of big bore airguns manage to achieve much over pistol caliber carbines in terms of muzzle energy (except with worse trajectories), and once you get past .22lr muzzle energy you're looking at only a handful of shots per fill.
>muh bicycle pump
Is not rated for the 3000-4500 PSI that the air tanks on big bore airguns fill to. Appropriate pumps rated for those pressures can easily take half an hour of pumping with cool down times to avoid overheating the pump.
To better illustrate how much air big bore airguns suck down, a large 75 cu ft 4500 PSI carbon fiber tank (2' long, 6" diameter, weighing about 10 lbs, and costing about $500) will give you a bit under 300 shots with a .357 Benjamin Bulldog that has a muzzle energy comparable to .22lr from a rifle, and a bit under 100 shots with the larger .457 version that has a comparable muzzle energy to cheap .45 ACP FMJ (not the much hotter self defense stuff) from a handgun.
For easy reference in future airgun discussions. Anything I should add?
I can't believe these things are still totally unregulated in the states. Or that they aren't more popular in cucked areas. There's some pretty god damn powerful air rifles out there, and they've been used to kill people for 400+ years
>I can't believe these things are still totally unregulated in the states.
Why not? Muzzle loaders and cap and ball revolvers aren't regulated at the federal level either, and big bore airguns really don't do anything that muzzle loaders and cap and ball revolvers don't already do better.
>filling this thing with a hand pump will make you wish you were dead
>TFW you stopped and did the math
The airguns the review linked here:
mentions have tanks only slightly larger than that .457 Bulldog. That's going to be tens of thousands of pumps to fill to 4500 PSI even when considering that you'll only be draining it to ~2000 PSI. Going off the review further up that mentions it takes them 4 minutes to do 85 pumps, that's about 8 hours per 10k pumps, and that's not including mandatory down times that your pump is going to need to cool off. I think the cool down time on those PCP pumps is something like 10 minutes of cool down per 5 minutes of pumping, so that increases to 24 hours per 10k pumps. You'd be looking at more than a work week of stopping what you're doing every 10 minutes to do 5 minutes of pumping to fill that tank without an air compressor.
At that point, just get a .22 or .25 PCP, god damn. Even a .30 or even a .25 could probably get you a coyote in a pinch. I wouldn't straight up call .35 cal and up a meme but they're pretty unrealistic for most people's needs unless that need is "I want to hunt deer/coyote with something new" or that need is "bigger boolit". .22 and .25 are perfectly fine for squirrel, groundhog, raccoon, hell, probably even a fox depending on where you aim. .30 is about the upper limit of what you really want depending on pellet weight and animal; IIRC Edgun Leishy on Youtube hunts squirrels and raccoons with a .30 in a 7-12" barrel.
Pellet rifles are fine, but get them now so you're not one of the retards fucking up my pellet supply 2 months into the next ammo shortage kthx. I'd recommend a .22 cal if you're hunting but .177 will take squirrels as well. .22 for groundhogs for sure, though, and read up on state caliber requirements if you're serious about hunting with it. I really like the stocked 1377 and 1322 though at 50yds, the 1377 has a shit load of drop, probably at least a foot (and likely the .22 1322 as well). Shitty irons for hunting or precision IMO but a steel breech kit and a scope later, you're having fun with small groups in your backyard. Or the Gamo Swarm. Just get the one with the gen 2 magazine well because the version 1's mag height sucks. No irons on gen 1 and scope height is retarded with, strangely enough, a comb that doesn't properly align for the included scope and requires a chinweld. It works, just awkward.
>Get a bicycle pump
Yeah just pump 3000 PSI with a bicycle pump, anon. Be sure to record it for us. For a not smartass reply: There are manual air rifle pumps you can buy for rather cheap. It won't be fun but it will be cheap. Bicycle pumps cannot into over ~80psi.
>There are manual air rifle pumps you can buy for rather cheap. It won't be fun but it will be cheap.
550 pumps to get to 3000 psi LOL.
It would kind of fucking suck, but if the shit hit the fan so goddamn hard nobody can get loaded ammo, powder, or matchheads and we're back to looking for sources of saltpeter and potassium, it's an option I'd be glad to have in addition to my compound bow.
Yeah it would suck kek. But I should also mention that IIRC you should go for .25 or .30 cal minimum if you're casting pellets just for ease of manufacture and quality control, and they should likely be lighter than what you'd be using in a similar firearm (rifle/pistol). At .22 you'd be pushing it for making your own pellets IIRC and at .177, you might just be better off buying a couple cases of your favorite .177 considering prices.
it's not like you're going to be pumping it 550 times each time you tap air from it. If you just topped it off each time you loaded your gun up for a squirrel hunt it would be way way less. I have no idea what it would be, but as a guess less than 30.
>Try to support local gunshop and buy bulk from there
>Steel Tula .223 1000rds - 600$
ammo mfgs should make consoomer subscription services and shit like other companies do to sell chinese junk to redditors. In states where you can get ammo shipped, of course. Like they get a box of 9mm and 5.56 per month and maybe also have special shipments of random bullshit ammo in random calibers and market it as a fun surprise
I can't help but fucking hate all the retards who start panic buying the instant anything related to guns happens. They literally cause the shortages then turn around and go "I sure am glad I stocked up before that shortage!". It's just so fucking stupid that none of them realize there wouldn't be a fucking shortage if they relaxed and stopped thinking ammo factories would suddenly freeze for any little thing.
It's a surprising amount of people. I don't have the biggest stock, and I'm also not the most avid shooter, but I like to keep a 50 cal can full of loose round for each of my favorite calibers. Every lul I get called a hoarder, and every panic someone offers to buy it off me for an absurd amount, like clockwork.
I worked at a gun range when going through school and it's crazy how many people just buy ammo at the range and shoot everything there and then complain when nothing is left.
Currently stocking up on cheap steel 9mm just for this. Call me a scalper if you want but it's not my fault you didn't think ahead.