Why do you so rarely see these? Looks like the perfect hunting weapon to me. You have a round for every conceivable type of game you might find, and they are all ready to go at the same time.
Combination Guns
Why do you so rarely see these? Looks like the perfect hunting weapon to me. You have a round for every conceivable type of game you might find, and they are all ready to go at the same time.
they exist and are useful, just not in the autistic form seen in op image
>Nice looking things are autistic
replacing high effort classical aesthetic with lego set machinery is peak autism.
Eventually anon will figure out that tactical advantages don’t apply to him and 20 years of GWOT fueled marketing have replaced his personality with Hollywood hero larp.
Bespoke rifles chambering multiple calibers for different types of game are expensive, heavy, and impractical for most uses a rifle or shotgun end-user is likely to encounter.
Well, yeah. You don't order a gun with opulent gold and silver inlays and engravings because you want something practical and utilitarian. It's to show off what a badass big game hunter you are.
You see them often, just not with the budget crowd you find around this place. The issue is that they are substantially more expensive than bolt actions and break actions have some drawbacks when it comes to firing in quick succession.
They also do not allow you to larp as a DELTASEALRECONRANGER, which obviously has been really important since the beginning of GWOT.
They're expensive AF because all the barrels have to be regulated to the same point of impact, same reason why double rifles are so expensive and therefore uncommon. Also, they're not as practical for modern hunting as one might think. For starters it's flat out illegal to carry the wrong gun during the wrong hunting season in many countries/states. So lets say you're out looking for whitetail deer with that gun...and the warden stops you, he sees that you're carrying a shotgun even though turkey season isn't open yet. Uh-oh. Also, when most people go hunting they have a specific quarry in mind, which makes the other cartridges in the gun just silly dead weight. I.e. if you're going quail hunting why the fuck do you want to weigh down your light, easy-pointing shotgun with a large-caliber rifle barrel added? It's not like there's going to be a bear out where the quail are.
Guns like that tended to be either high-end exhibition pieces, like your pic, or they were from an era of gamekeepers on large country estates from a time past when modern hunting laws didn't apply. But regardless they are really fucking cool.
>They're expensive AF because all the barrels have to be regulated to the same point of impact,
Yeah, but why? Personally I'd prefer setting them all parallel and simply remembering the trajectory for each cartridge. You could use multiple markings on leaf sights.
Let’s see you try to solder together 3-4 barrels perfectly parallel with each other
Not him, but why can't you cut them all from the same block? Like just put one piece of metal on a lathe and cut 4 parallel barrels into it? Genuine question, not trolling.
Taking that much material out of a billet would likely introduce enough distortion to affect precision between barrels.
how about 3D printing it
>3d printed barrel
no thank you
Can't you start with pilot holes and remove material gradually?
How about extruding it as a single unit and use electrochemical machining to add the rifling?
I hadn't thought of that. Would you be able to get the necessary precision of alignment that way?
not with any precision. boring deep holes straight is hard to do and you'd have to do that multiple times in parallel. with a single barrel you can bend/hammer it straight and turn it down to uniform wall thickness.
whut? in the us cartridges are limited on games?
in europe, we have a minimum powerlevel for certain game/deer, but thats it.
if you take down the deer with a 308, a .222 or a nice slug or even 12/70 doesnt matter, if you are in a distance / bullet grains that delivers 1000 joules per cm2.
cutting out shots is the hunters problem
>whut? in the us cartridges are limited on games?
I think you misunderstood me.
My point was that in some places in the US it is illegal to be found out in the field with the "wrong" kind of gun for the season. For example, if the game warden caught you in the woods with a full-power rifle even though there was no open season for deer or similar animals he might presume you were poaching.
As for what you asked, power levels and stuff like that all vary from state-to-state. Some states have power level requirements for certain game, some don't. Some allow airguns, some don't. Same with crossbows, muzzleloaders, and general archery. All of that varies by state and in some cases local laws it's not consistent. For example, in some states .223/5.56 is legal for deer. In others it's banned because it's a "bottlenecked cartridge", and/or it falls under a blanket ban on "22 caliber". But none of that has anything to do with my point about the combination guns potentially getting someone into trouble for carrying a gun that could be construed to be meant for shooting out-of-season game.
nta and not to disagree with you entirely, but a gun like OP's pic would be so fucking weird and oddball I think you'd have a sizable chance of skating by with nearly any reasonable excuse. Any game warden or whomever else is going to take one look at that and how someone carrying one is dressed and bucket them into "rich eccentric". An inlaid $10k+ multicaliber quadbarrel doesn't exactly scream "typical poacher gun". While you could still sperg out and cause yourself trouble, any reasonable person would probably be able to get by.
I agree, that's almost certainly true. And if you didn't have any of the "wrong" kind of ammunition on you at the time you'd have a very strong case as well. It's kinda hard to claim you were poaching deer if all you had on you were shotshells, .22s, a few grouse and a rabbit even if the gun was theoretically capable of chambering a full power rifle cartridge.
Thank God I won the geography lottery. pretty much the only big game rule here regarding cartridges is not using rim fired ammunition. Waterfowl has a 3 shot rule with non lead shot.
Too many laws tbh
Because of various reason, it’s pretty rare that you would encounter multiple different game species in one hunt that are in season. And if you do, it’s usually just as easy to have one long gun for your primary target and a pistol of some description as your backup. The only functional reason why you would want a combination gun is if you are legally only able to own/carry a single firearm and want to hunt various different species.
Combination guns are fairly common among european hunters
Doesn't it have something to do with them being limited to a certain number of guns or something so they just get one that can kinda do everything.
Not really. It’s more about practicality and the huge amount of hand me downs. Break actions are often times handed to new hunters as their first weapons.
In some countries they are still regarded as more sportsmanlike by the fudds.
No. I see this meme repeated a lot but it has zero basis in fact. The golden age of those fancy combination guns was the late 19th century where there were far fewer laws than there were today.
>You have a round for every conceivable type of game you might find
308 is already a round for every conceivable type of game I might find. Deer? 308. Moose? 308. Bears? 308. Chipmunks? 308. Mosquitos? 308. Multilevel herbal door to door marketers? 308. OP looks cool, but I don't see why I'd want it.
Most combination guns have one or more shotgun barrels and a rifled barrel. Hunting birds with .308 might not be so practical.
>Why do you so rarely see these?
They don't really fit modern hunting all that well. When you go deer hunting you are not hunting quail. If you are doing pest control you aren't paying 10k for a gun.
It absolutely does. My O/U combination gun in pic rel is the only one I take outside regularly. The shotgun barrel allows me to kill occasional pests like foxes/nutria/raccoons while I use the rifle barrel for deer and piggers.
I use repeaters and my shotguns for driven hunts exclusively.
>occasional pests
Like I said, it doesn't really fit modern hunting. Most people don't go pest control and hunting, so it's stupid to haul an extra barrel for something you aren't doing.
Depends on the country you are in and how hunting is organized there.
Here in Central Europe, with Switzerland being an exception, hunters usually lease exclusive hunting rights for an area. Hunting small predators is needed to help small game populations develop to a level where you can take some of them. Taking a combination out for the night offers the most versatile setup, especially in winter when you might want to take the fur of the occasional fox.
Same goes for stalking at day time. If hare is open and the dog gets one moving, the shotgun barrel really comes in handy.
If you of course have to buy individual deer from the government to hunt, combination guns make little sense.
>versatile setup
Only if you can't get a permission slip from the government for a gun like an AR-15, which does well against small predators and medium game.
But you don't need that do you, yuropoor?
>permission slip from the government for a gun like an AR-15
Which country are you talking about and why are you pretending all of europe has megacucked gun laws like Britain? CZ has better laws than most of America and England doesn't let you buy semi autos over .22lr anyway IIRC.
Hunting with 223 is restricted in a lot of countries. It’s not about the gun but rather the caliber not delivering enough energy on target. In Germany for example it’s only legal for small game, doe and seals. You mustn’t shoot boar with it, which makes it unsuitable as a hunting caliber for 90% of people. One could argue for AR-10s which are quite popular, but I prefer my break action over all my other guns because of how slim, light, versatile and high build quality it is. Your mileage might vary.
In addition, if you want to take fur or shoot small game on the move, shotguns are vastly superior.
It would be heavy af
I really want a savage-24 (or Stevens survival rifle) in .22lr/.410 but they go for well over $1000 on GunBroker these days. Some companies make new rifles like these but they look ugly and cheap and they don't even solder the barrel together. Savage-24 have so much SOVL but I just can't justify $1000+ for an old beater .22lr/.410.
I really like my Savage over under but .410 is more expensive then 12gauge and my Lakefield mark 2 is so much nicer to shoot so it never use it . It's a nice gun for teaching friends and family though
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thats why
>Why do you so rarely see these? Looks like the perfect hunting weapon to me
They're expensive and heavy/not as easy to weild as a normal shotty/sports rifle.
However, in theHunter CotW a drilling is one of the best guns of the game.
People don't hunt large and small game at the same time because it's pretty damn unlikely that you'll be in a position to shoot a deer when you're hunting quail for example.
They're definitely cool, but they're more of a luxury item than a practical tool.
One exception to the rule. I take a suppressed bolt action .22 with subs with me when I deer hunt along with my .444
I have popped many squirrels mid day, waiting for a deer to come by. I leave the lie and grab them later. Would highly recommend
redpill me on .444 Marlin
I like repeating digits and the idea of .44 Magnum but Even More, but how is it IRL
Tried to replace .45-70, fell on its face hard, costs more than it with less loadings offered. Dead round.
.450 marlin tried to replace 45-70. I know, i have one. Each round is about 6 bucks a piece.
As did .444 in the 60s during the .45-70 slump.
When it was announced, it didn't need to try since nobody was making rifles in fuddy-five seventy
also that doesn't really answer the question
>Costs more than contemporaries with less loadings
Sums it up pretty well if you weren't a fucking retard.
Sounds pretty fun
It's cultural and you're just not used to them.
go to Canada and combo guns are common as dirt, same as in many parts of yurop, and not at all expensive.
A drilling like the OPs is obviously a luxe good, it's not mean for workaday hunting, but I was happy to tote a combo gun around when i had access to one
A drilling?
Come on man it's clearly a Dreibüchs--Vierling
Still remember how that stuff messed with a lot of hunting exam candidates. I found the birds way more annoying.
I actually prefer BBF over Drillings, though. The added weight for the third barrel never seems to really pay off.
Do they really test you on a bunch of different made up names for different configurations of combo guns for European gun license tests? What the fuck is that supposed to prove?
>He knows what a drilling is, so OBVIOUSLY he isn't the type to snap and do a home defense.
nta and not a yuro, but
>>He knows what a drilling is, so OBVIOUSLY he isn't the type to snap and do a home defense.
I mean, maybe? I used to think like you and think that obvious shit you could just study a bit, memorize, regurgitate and then forget about forever did nothing and was worthless. But as I've gone up the stack at work and looked at employment for example, or talked with lawyers and at the bar heard some of their war storeis about criminals and such, I've been pretty surprised at how low a fucking bar it takes to low-pass filter a huge number of people. Like, it's astonishing how genuinely retarded and lazy a significant amount of humanity is, and this in particular includes a high percentage of common criminal types.
So all issues of bullshit gun control laws aside, I dunno, maybe it really is dumb, but if a yuro government produced some statistics that questions like that actually correlated with denying retards I could believe it. Maybe they could maybe they couldn't, but given the shit I've seen on things like job resumes it wouldn't stun me.
I don't think it's the government's place to try to decide shit like that, frankly. You only have to be 18 years of age and a citizen to vote with no questions asked and a lot of retards ask for the bar to be even lower than that. The potential long term effects of that are way more troubling than one dipshit NDing or anheroing.
It’s a retard filter. That way schizos and functional idiots are kept away from guns. It’s also just one of the more whacky parts of the test. Most of the topics covered actually make sense. Like understanding ballistics, tracking or self defense law.
Its like a drivers license. You take the class, you take the test. For the most part, it’s about safe firearms handling and understanding things like gun and self defense related law.
>Its like a drivers license.
I understand that, but the driver's license test questions are at least about practical things to know about driving even if the minute details of exact distances you need to account for when using a signal or braking get a little autistic. But artistically memorizing a bunch of configurations of double barrel guns has nothing to do with safety at all and doesn't say anything about how safely you can handle a gun. The safe handling of a Vierling looks exactly like the safe handling of a Doppelbuchdrilling which looks exactly the same as the safe handling of a Dunning–Krugering. Like Imagine you could prove you could safely parallel park and merge on the highway and other practical driving applications, but you didn't get enough points to pass the driving test because you didn't know the difference between a coupe and a sedan. That's pretty stupid, and even worse than a "retard filter" I would say it's much more likely that they just want to make the process enough of a waste of time and a pain in the ass that nobody will want to do it.
If they show up in the exam at all, which is extremely rare, they are like 2-5% of points and you need 51% to pass. If you fail the test, it’s not because of those questions but rather you being an absolute monkey incapable of understanding and memorizing simple things across the board.
Almost everybody failing the exam is failing either the shooting part or gun safety. The rest are proper idiots you really don’t want to hand a firearm.
I'm not against absolutely anybody having a gun as long as they aren't violent criminals. Which is most people, and I'd imagine violent criminals are barred from this testing in the first place.
Yes. Felons, clinically insane people and individuals from the terrorist watch list cannot take the test.
Again, if you fail the test, you are borderline retarded or incapable of performing simple tasks like not flagging others during the exam or shooting 25/50 supported at the 100m line.
In America we just laugh at those people for not being able to get deer. They eventually learn.
The vast majority of fails I know of were people who commuted serious safety violations during the exam. Some failed the shooting part, but you can redo it 3 times total before you have to take the entire exam again.
How do you know so many failures?
Because I talk to people that oversee the exams.
What's the deal with the buckdrilling and buchsflintendrilling? Doesn't having the rifle barrels offset like that make things needlessly difficult?
It’s about how heat affects warping of the barrels and placement of the locks in the breach block.
Bockdrilling: They evolved from an O/U shotgun-rifle combination where a 3rd small calibre barrel was installed. Typical chambering would be 16/70, 7x65r and .22 hornet. Arranging the barrels like this allows for a *comparatively* sleek and lightweigt weapon.
Büchflintendrilling:
A variation of the Doppelbüchsdrilling coming from Suhl. The arrangement of the barrels replicates a S/S rifle-shotgun combo with an additional rifle barrel underneath, whereas the "standard" Doppelbüchsdrilling is a S/S double rifle with a shotgun barrel underneath. It does not show on the diagram, but this way the gun can be manufactered sleeker overall.
That makes sense, thanks.
Nobody buys those guns. AR's are better. Why only have 4 boolet ready to fire when you can have 20+
every time you pull the trigger you lose $200 in value
Grey up with a Stevens .410/.22 over under. Thing was really cool.
Good luck guessing where the zero is going as the various barrels warm up. You're basically bedding a rifle barrel in a bundle of other barrels.
Have you literally never gone hunting?
You're actually hunting with that thing? When I go hunting, I don't shoot at everything that moves so I only need one caliber of cartridge.
nta but when I go hunting I shoot at everything that makes a noise, so there's no telling what caliber a rustling bush or snapping twig might call for
What's your hunting loadout?
One of the reasons high quality combination guns are so expensive is because there are ways around that.
Also, hunting is not like fighting for Bakhmut.
>Why do you so rarely see these?
Because you don't live in Germany.
I've been considering Chiappa's 12/22 offer. Looks like a good choice for smaller game like birds and varmints
I've been looking for a chiappa M6 for years, but every one I've found is way over priced.
Does anyone make a 20 gauge / 30-30 combo gun?
Good for deer and small game
Saw this come up for sale locally, seems cool
That looks like a really awesome value. Does it have ejectors? I presume it doesn't. Either way it sounds awesome.
Right, that's what I'm thinking too.
I'm very tempted and as an AKfag the name Valmet makes me think it's really nice quality too
DON'T!
I repeat: DON'T. BUY. THAT.
I've had to work with these often enough to ban them from my workshop. The O/U combination or double rifle versions are failed constructions in every way. The barrel adjustment/mounts are way too small and don't hold zero at all. On the double rifle the barrels are so thin that adjusting the lower barrel will also flex the upper one and it will be all over the place. Also since the mountings are so small they like to just rip off at their solder points. Fuck those things.
Are you just saying not to buy combo guns that include rifle barrels, or all over unders including the usual double shotgun?
No, I'm talking specifically about this Valmet/Tikka 412. The 412 O/U shotgun is just fine and dandy, but the construction of their combo and O/U double rifle barrels is pants on head retarded.
i miss my M6 Scout in .22 hornet/.410
selling that gun is my only real regret with regard to selling firearms, but hit a rough patch.
>What kind of game would you like to hunt today, sir?
>Yes.
Its easier to just take a double barrel and swap rounds if needed you can shoot birdseed or a slug