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How do did they do it with these guns, tec 9 can hit anything, shotgun cut down to the point they cant hit anthing out side 5 feet, hi point 995 with 10 round mags ok gun but not great

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    true, tec 9 acccuracy isn't the best, but it's maintained while moving, great for pistol rounds

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone there were the most NPC npcs who ever NPC'd.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Ill post a few to get the noggin joggin

    --Is it a coincidence that 100 school administrators, "including a handful from Littleton," attended a workshop entitled "Crisis Response — Prepare for the Unthinkable: It Could Happen to You" on April 19 - the day before the attack? Is it also coincidence that the main presenters at this workshop were the the Jefferson County school response team?

    --Why were six of seven of the teams assigned to investigate the attack headed or co-headed by an FBI agent (the one exception headed by a "former" FBI agent)?

    --Why didn't the FBI's lead investigator Dwayne Fuselier recuse himself from the investigation after it emerged that his son was a student at Columbine who had produced a video in 1997 with several other students, including close friend of the suspects, depicting trench-coated gunmen shooting through the halls of the school?

    --Why was the U.S. Attorney's Office consulted on "prosecutive" decisions in this (local) case?

    --Why didn't the Governor's Office give Justice Erickson subpoena power? How could the Columbine Review Commission conduct an investigation without subpoena power?

    --Why did investigators show a remarkable lack of curiosity about connections with numerous similar school violence-related incidents occurring around the same time in the metro-Denver area and around the country?

    --Is it a coincidence that "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (WB) and "Promised Land" (CBS) both aired episodes that week depicting plans to commit shootings at high schools (the latter set in Denver)? Is it similarly a coincidence that "The Matrix" - featuring black-clad antiheroes in trench coats was released in March? Is it a coincidence MTV scheduled "Warning Signs" - about youth violence - for April 22 (it had been scheduled before) and the History Channel had scheduled "Slaughter in Schools" for May 2?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Jefferson County Sheriff's Office (JCSO), Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office (ACSO), El Paso County Sheriff's Office (EPCSO), the FBI, and many other agencies have released more than 30,000 pages of case documents.

      Most of these are available here:
      https://web.archive.org/web/20120416153114/http://evanlong.net/columbine/columbine-shooting-government-document-library/

      This information is largely derived from these files as well as the coverage of the Denver Post, Denver Rocky Mountain News and other newspapers, and from the research collected by local groups such as the Columbine Research Task Force.
      https://www.villagevoice.com/2001/03/27/columbine-research-task-force/

      >--Why did 100+ witnesses report seeing more than two gunmen or assailants (including an adult) who did not resemble Harris nor Klebold?
      Here are the witness statements. The numbers in brackets refer to pages in the JCSO files.

      Chris Wisher, sophomore (1261)
      He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, and wearing black trench coats. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.

      Jake Apodaca, sophomore (653)
      He was at the soccer field, heard firecrackers. He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, wearing black trench coats and black T-shirts. He sees a 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans, throwing a bomb onto the roof.

      Jonathan Cole, freshman (749)
      He noticed two tall guys in black trench coats. He then saw a third male, wearing a white T-shirt and blue jeans. This person looked over to the other two suspects, and yelled "GO!! GO!!"

      William Arapkiles, freshman (660)
      He states that he was at the soccer field, and heard firecrackers. He turned and saw 3 people near the West entrance. Two were wearing black trench coats, and carrying guns. The third was wearing a white T-shirt, and no visible gun. The person in the white T-shirt was pacing back and forth about five feet away from the two gunmen.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        FBI lead investigator Dwayne Fuselier's sons Scott and Brian were associated with the Trench Coat Mafia.

        In 1997 Scott Fuselier co-produced a film depicting trench-coated gunmen shooting through the halls of the school and then walking away calmly as it explodes. Another of the co-producers, Brooks Brown, was a close friend of Harris and Klebold, the last person Harris spoke to before the massacre (allegedly warning him to "go home"), and the person who has (to date) given more interviews to the media than any other former student.

        Amazingly, Dwayne Fuselier did not recuse himself from the investigation.
        http://extras.denverpost.com/news/shot0513b.htm
        http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Col_Dwayne_Fuselier.htm
        http://www.911omissionreport.com/columbine_fbi_link.html
        https://www.konformist.com/1999/colorado/mystery.htm

        FBI SA Fuselier's other son, Brian, was a key witness:

        "(Dwayne Fuselier's) youngest son, Brian, was in the school cafeteria at the time and managed to escape after seeing one of the bombs explode." (Denver Post, May 13, 1999)

        You'd normally think that having two sons at the school, one of whom a key 'witness' to the attack and the other a possible suspect, would constitute a conflict of interest.

        However:

        FBI spokesman Gary Gomez said there was ‘absolutely no discussion’ of reassigning Fuselier, 51, a psychologist, in the wake of the disclosures in Friday's Denver Rocky Mountain News. ‘There is no conflict of interest,’ Gomez said" (Denver Rocky Mountain News, May 8, 1999)

        "It has been a textbook case of how to conduct an investigation, of how to do it the right way" (Denver Post, April 23, 1999)

        Fuselier - a key "negotiator" at the Branch Davidian and Montana Freemen sieges - largely shaped the official version of the attack.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is it a coincidence that 100 school administrators, "including a handful from Littleton," attended a workshop entitled "Crisis Response — Prepare for the Unthinkable: It Could Happen to You" on April 19 - the day before the attack?
      Considering there's no source for this except /x/ and r/conspiracy, no, it's not a coincidence. It sounds made-up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tl;dr YES you IDIOT. Coincidences happen ALL THE TIME. They're not rare.

      God damn you're worse than a woman addicted to astrology

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The majority of the people killed were shot in the library at relatively close range/execution style while they hid under tables. Eric actually broke his nose with the twelve gauge and gave up and Dylan choked on his own blood with he missed his brain. Both were enormous gays.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The three descriptions vary slightly (as expected). However they consistently describe an adult gunman accompanying Klebold in the science hall.

      All three were able to identify Klebold from photo lineups but could not identify Harris. One of these witnesses (Smull) had seen and conversed with Harris shortly before the attack.

      >They didn't. They thought they did, but turned out to be wrong. Not really that surprising.

      When I am asked to choose between collective hallucination and coverup, I will always choose the latter.

      Jessica Lucero (p. 1058, JCSO files)

      "She [Jessica Lucero] stated as she was running out the east doors of the high school that she believes she saw an individual dressed in black holding a gun up on the roof of the school. I asked if she could provide a description of the individual. She said she couldn't. I asked if she could provide a description of the gun this person was carrying. She said it wasn't a pistol, it appeared to be some long gun. Jessica was asked if she was sure about this information. She told me she believes she saw someone, but couldn't provide any additional information about the person."

      Candice Cushman (p. 2794, JCSO files)

      "When we got outside I saw someone on the roof with what I thought was a black trenchcoat. He was aiming a gun, so Erica, Nick and I ran toward the smokers pit."

      Lindsay Conwell (p. 2760, JCSO files)

      "She ran out the doors. So many people were trying to get out the doors. She hit a set of steps and tripped. When she looked back, there was someone on the roof. It was just a glance. She couldn't tell what the person was wearing or holding, or what the person looked like. She kept running after that."

      Erik Sunde (p. 4576, JCSO files)

      "He also added that a guy that he only knows by Rusty saw two guys on the roof as he was driving out of the parking lot during this lunchtime. As he drove out, the back window of his car was shot out."

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      VT shooter killed 32 with two handguns. Generally what happens is they shoot people who are cowering that they can just walk right up to, like says.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        a guy that trained with 2 glocks , glocks are wonderful guns

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He did it with a Glock and a P22.

          FBI lead investigator Dwayne Fuselier's sons Scott and Brian were associated with the Trench Coat Mafia.

          In 1997 Scott Fuselier co-produced a film depicting trench-coated gunmen shooting through the halls of the school and then walking away calmly as it explodes. Another of the co-producers, Brooks Brown, was a close friend of Harris and Klebold, the last person Harris spoke to before the massacre (allegedly warning him to "go home"), and the person who has (to date) given more interviews to the media than any other former student.

          Amazingly, Dwayne Fuselier did not recuse himself from the investigation.
          http://extras.denverpost.com/news/shot0513b.htm
          http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Col_Dwayne_Fuselier.htm
          http://www.911omissionreport.com/columbine_fbi_link.html
          https://www.konformist.com/1999/colorado/mystery.htm

          FBI SA Fuselier's other son, Brian, was a key witness:

          "(Dwayne Fuselier's) youngest son, Brian, was in the school cafeteria at the time and managed to escape after seeing one of the bombs explode." (Denver Post, May 13, 1999)

          You'd normally think that having two sons at the school, one of whom a key 'witness' to the attack and the other a possible suspect, would constitute a conflict of interest.

          However:

          FBI spokesman Gary Gomez said there was ‘absolutely no discussion’ of reassigning Fuselier, 51, a psychologist, in the wake of the disclosures in Friday's Denver Rocky Mountain News. ‘There is no conflict of interest,’ Gomez said" (Denver Rocky Mountain News, May 8, 1999)

          "It has been a textbook case of how to conduct an investigation, of how to do it the right way" (Denver Post, April 23, 1999)

          Fuselier - a key "negotiator" at the Branch Davidian and Montana Freemen sieges - largely shaped the official version of the attack.

          The Jefferson County Sheriff's Office (JCSO), Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office (ACSO), El Paso County Sheriff's Office (EPCSO), the FBI, and many other agencies have released more than 30,000 pages of case documents.

          Most of these are available here:
          https://web.archive.org/web/20120416153114/http://evanlong.net/columbine/columbine-shooting-government-document-library/

          This information is largely derived from these files as well as the coverage of the Denver Post, Denver Rocky Mountain News and other newspapers, and from the research collected by local groups such as the Columbine Research Task Force.
          https://www.villagevoice.com/2001/03/27/columbine-research-task-force/

          >--Why did 100+ witnesses report seeing more than two gunmen or assailants (including an adult) who did not resemble Harris nor Klebold?
          Here are the witness statements. The numbers in brackets refer to pages in the JCSO files.

          Chris Wisher, sophomore (1261)
          He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, and wearing black trench coats. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.

          Jake Apodaca, sophomore (653)
          He was at the soccer field, heard firecrackers. He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, wearing black trench coats and black T-shirts. He sees a 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans, throwing a bomb onto the roof.

          Jonathan Cole, freshman (749)
          He noticed two tall guys in black trench coats. He then saw a third male, wearing a white T-shirt and blue jeans. This person looked over to the other two suspects, and yelled "GO!! GO!!"

          William Arapkiles, freshman (660)
          He states that he was at the soccer field, and heard firecrackers. He turned and saw 3 people near the West entrance. Two were wearing black trench coats, and carrying guns. The third was wearing a white T-shirt, and no visible gun. The person in the white T-shirt was pacing back and forth about five feet away from the two gunmen.

          The three descriptions vary slightly (as expected). However they consistently describe an adult gunman accompanying Klebold in the science hall.

          All three were able to identify Klebold from photo lineups but could not identify Harris. One of these witnesses (Smull) had seen and conversed with Harris shortly before the attack.

          >They didn't. They thought they did, but turned out to be wrong. Not really that surprising.

          When I am asked to choose between collective hallucination and coverup, I will always choose the latter.

          Jessica Lucero (p. 1058, JCSO files)

          "She [Jessica Lucero] stated as she was running out the east doors of the high school that she believes she saw an individual dressed in black holding a gun up on the roof of the school. I asked if she could provide a description of the individual. She said she couldn't. I asked if she could provide a description of the gun this person was carrying. She said it wasn't a pistol, it appeared to be some long gun. Jessica was asked if she was sure about this information. She told me she believes she saw someone, but couldn't provide any additional information about the person."

          Candice Cushman (p. 2794, JCSO files)

          "When we got outside I saw someone on the roof with what I thought was a black trenchcoat. He was aiming a gun, so Erica, Nick and I ran toward the smokers pit."

          Lindsay Conwell (p. 2760, JCSO files)

          "She ran out the doors. So many people were trying to get out the doors. She hit a set of steps and tripped. When she looked back, there was someone on the roof. It was just a glance. She couldn't tell what the person was wearing or holding, or what the person looked like. She kept running after that."

          Erik Sunde (p. 4576, JCSO files)

          "He also added that a guy that he only knows by Rusty saw two guys on the roof as he was driving out of the parking lot during this lunchtime. As he drove out, the back window of his car was shot out."

          [...]

          I just have a hard time believing this. I deep dived Columbine over COVID and I never saw any credible witness account that didn't sound rooted in extreme confusion by survivors during a stressful mass casualty event.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can read the 11K, hundreds of first hand statements by staff and students. It is not just hysteria. If you can find the movie the "columbine cause" it will help.

            --12:45pm

            DPDO Lietz, in phone contact with student Matt Depew downstairs, hears shooting, 20 minutes of silence, then more shooting. Heard gunshots over the phone from 11:20am to 12:45pm(2837).

            --12:45pm

            Accoding to Mr. DeAngelis, "...Harris and Klebold died at approximately 12:45pm"(of gunshots, presumably).(EP1-283)

            --12:45 to 1pm

            Science hall witnesses James Bisgard, Steve Broden, Elisha Encinas, Travis Meason, Melissa Phillips, and Johnathan Vandermark all hear gunshots for the first 30 to 60 minutes, then 30-45 minutes of silence, then more gunshots for 10-30 minutes.

            --12:51pm

            "Shots fired on south side/possibly friendly fire" (pg25167)

            --12:51pm

            Andy Marton, campus supervisor, says gunmen's fire stopped at about 12:51pm. (18334)

            --1pm

            Hiding in a cabinet, library witness Patricia Neilson says she hears a small, short burst of gunfire in the library. "She looked at her watch." (page 76 in the 11K)

            --1pm

            Teacher Marlene Nederman hiding in one of the closets off the kitchen, hears three to four shots upstairs(3891).

            --1pm

            Science hall witness Mike Rotole says he heard five or six shots from the library(1954).

            --1:09pm

            Local station KUSA, also broadcast on CNN, gets a live report from a "James"* inside the school who reports hearing gunshots about 1:09pm.

            --1pm- 1:15pm

            Matt Depew hiding in the kitchen storage room with others hears the suspects in the kitchen and cafeteria until about 1 to 1:15pm(2826) Richard Green, also in that room, heard gunfire until about 1pm(3196). Shannon Ryan said the last shots were fired from about 1 to 2pm(4268). Brandi Wiseman heard the gunmen shooting appliances in the kitchen at 12:30pm. "She looked at her watch."

            --1pm

            Teacher Marlene Nederman hiding in one of the closets off the kitchen, hears three to four shots upstairs(3891).

            --1pm

            Science hall witness Mike Rotole says he heard five or six shots from the library(1954)

            --1:09pm

            Local station KUSA, also broadcast on CNN, gets a live report from a "James"* inside the school who reports hearing gunshots about 1:09pm.

            --1pm- 1:15pm

            Matt Depew hiding in the kitchen storage room with others hears the suspects in the kitchen and cafeteria until about 1 to 1:15pm(2826) Richard Green, also in that room, heard gunfire until about 1pm(3196). Shannon Ryan said the last shots were fired from about 1 to 2pm(4268 ). Brandi Wiseman heard the gunmen shooting appliances in the kitchen at 12:30pm. "She looked at her watch."!!

            --1:25pm

            "James" sees gunmen in hall, both wearing black masks, as reported on local TV station KUSA.

            --About 1:30pm

            Student Mark Opfer, hiding in the foreign language hall, says he heard the last gunshots and explosions about 1:30pm(1063)

            --About 1:30pm

            Kitchen worker Laverne Helms: "Helms still thought she heard shots until about 10 minutes before she was rescued by the SWAT team (at about 1:40pm)(3297).

            --About 1:30pm

            Librarian Lois Kean, hiding in RNN sound booth, says "Last shots heard around 1:30hours."(22537)

            --1:30pm

            Kent Foncannon, rescued by SWAT around 1:30pm. "Foncannon believed that he heard shots during this time"(2999)

            --1:30pm

            "A man approached CP with cellular phone in contact with son in school, and could hear the suspects firing their weapons."(9644)

            --1:35pm

            Jen Smull, in one of the science rooms, heard a loud boom around 1:35pm(2185).

            --1:50pm

            Unnamed janitor hiding in the kitchen freezer: "He recalled looking at his watch at 1:50pm and around that time recalls hearing shooting."(page 66 of FBI report)

            --2pm

            Jonathan Ballard in the science hall heard gunfire until 2pm(1765).

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              --2pm

              Father of student in contact with his son in the "band room or music area" via cell phone can hear gunshots in the background. Principle DeAngelis tells him its probably SWAT. (EP 1-283)

              --2pm

              Patricia Neilson hiding in the library's kitchen area, says she still heard 'sporadic explosions'(of bombs, presumably) after 2pm(080).

              --2 to 2:30pm

              Ashley Steele "At about 1400 to 1430 hrs, per Steele the sounds died down, after they heard possibly five shots and hit the floor." (2202)

              --2:30pm

              Amy Terry heard no more gunshots after 2:30pm(2207).

              --2:36pm

              DPD dispatch log says "Suspect has been looking out windows near fire truck on west side."(9220)

              --3pm

              Jacquelyn Baker in Sci 7: "Did hear somebody say 'You will not hurt those kids'(man's voice)"(25053) This sounds like a confrontation with remaining suspects.

              --3:30pm

              "Flurry" of shots reported from the gym area.

              --3:42pm

              Handwritten note reads "Student in gym just shot 5 minutes ago."(9160)

              --3:45pm

              "As late as 3:45, news crews report shots can be heard inside the school." Columbia Journalism Review, May '99

              --3:50pm

              Science hall witness Sarah Olejniczak hears two gunshots, followed by the entry of SWAT 15 minutes later.(2078 )

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'll look it up. I'm not quick to dismiss anything regarding this event given how poorly the police handled evidence afterwards but this is the first time I've ever heard this theory. Typically you hear it in regards to Sandy Hook. Do they discuss what the motivation would have been to stage it or who the shooters would have potentially been? How they made a clean egress in a surrounded school?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Typically you hear it in regards to Sandy Hook
                Agree, after reading the 11k and actual first hand statements by students, staff, police, news etc. It seems there were more than 2.
                >Do they discuss what the motivation would have been to stage it or who the shooters would have potentially been? How they made a clean egress in a surrounded school?
                Here is full thread with quotes from the police and law enforcement
                https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/21415997/

                There was pre hand knowledge before the event and after it happened too there was tons of shootings the following week. I will post those after this response

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Eric Veik wasn't the only student believed to have foreknowledge.

                Patrick McDuffee - a member of the Trench Coat Mafia - gave a detailed statement to law enforcement on the evening of 4-20 identifying multiple students at Columbine, Chatfield and Bear Creek as having foreknowledge (and varying degrees of involvement).

                There were also the three arrested in a field adjacent to the school. They identified the suspects as Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold before their names were broadcast, and told police they had heard about the shooting on the radio despite no (officially acknowledged) radio broadcasts mentioning the attacks at that time. Cork Chicota - an adult onlooker told investigators (7462) that the three men told him that "they knew something bad was going to happen."

                There is evidence that there was widespread knowledge - both in the school and the surrounding community - that "something big was going to happen."

                -Justin (2293) and Jerry Alber (7428) heard Alejandra 'Alex' Marsh - a member of the Trench Coat Mafia and a practicing Wiccan - saying that they had been planning it since December. They both got the impression that she knew it was going to happen.

                -While running away, Heidi Wildona (4726) said she was helped over a wall by a girl [possibly Marsh, who was in the area] who said the suspects told her about the shooting.

                -Brooks Skinner was (2178) "approached by a girl [possibly Marsh, who was in the area] who said 'they planned to do it and she knew about it for a year.'"

                -Brandi Malonson & Jonathan Fries (3634, 3049 and 4573) heard Courtney Van Dell - a member of the Trench Coat Mafia known as "devil girl" (she fashioned her braids to look like horns) - say something big was going to happen at lunch.

                -Nicole Ray (4144) says Melissa Sowder - a member and / or associate of the Trench Coat Mafia - had two weeks foreknowledge.

                -Kristin Griffith (6457) says Melissa Sowder told her friend Danny Romero that she two weeks foreknowledge.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                -John Reffel (7056)'s friend "was told by Pauline Colby [a member of the Trench Coat Mafia] that the TCM were gonna get back at everyone real soon."

                -Tina Bernacchi (2455) says Colby took off ten minutes before the shooting.

                -Jo-Lee Gallegos "heard Lydie [Perry, sister of Robert Perry] say that a friend had called her the night before and told her to stay away from the school on the 20th because something big was going to happen."

                -TCM associate Rebecca Heines wore a black scarf to school on 4-20, not even taking it off for PE. Crystal Bragazzi (5225) says "she had never seen Heines wear a black scarf like that before."

                -Sarah Slater (4435) says [Zach] Heckler [a member of the Trench Coat Mafia who had participated in the "missions" Harris and Klebold wrote about] knew H&K had the day planned, but didn't think they would carry it out.

                -Numerous wintesses noted the TCM were not around the school before the shooting broke out. Typical is Jennifer Harmon (6526) who said "Not one of 'em showed up to nothing. Not one of 'em."

                -Another student (9622) reported: "she had heard through other students that 4-20 was important and something big was going
                to happen."

                -Ryan Shwayder (7126) saw a member of the Trench Coat Mafia carrying a duffel bag on the morning of 4-20. They advised Shwayder "not to be in school that afternoon."

                -Brittany Gillette (3138) said that "during her second period israeliteelry class, she and James Helms were talking about senior prank day and how unpleasant it would be. Another student heard them discussing this, and he said 'that is nothing to what is going to happen.'"

                -Alexis Wolf (6037) was in Clement Park when she overheard a girl saying: "I was told not to come to school because something big was going to happen."

                To this list we should add the person(s) who altered the date on all the prom posters to read '4-20' (2597) and the person who put up signs in the cafeteria way back in January that said "April 19?....."(2720).

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                -Steven Sumida (7229) didn't school on 4-20, he wasn't sick or had an excused absense. Why? "Christ told him not to go to school that day."

                -FBI file, page 6
                A 4-21-99 report refers to an online chat by an unknown white female with two unkown individuals on the "Bob Enyart Live" chatroom conducted at 10pm on 4-19. (Redacted screen name) made statements to the effect that something bad was going to happen in Colorado or North Carolina on April 20, 1999. (Redacted) further made references to the holocaust, Adolph Hitler's birthday and a fire.

                -FBI file, page 79
                An unknown passenger on a Minnesota-bound train on 4-15-99 notices an unknown male in the smoking car who is wearing a trenchcoat and who spoke German on occassion. She heard him say to no one in particular "Something big is going to happen."

                -Michael Johnson(EP 23-20)
                "Johnson and his mother have subsequently heard that a janitor at Dutch Creek Elementary had encountered Harris in the elementary school on 4-19, and that Harris had told him to watch the news tomorrow." (Note: What was Harris doing at this elementary school, if indeed he was there?)
                "Johnson's mother was told by Georgine Payne that on 4-20, during the incident, she was at King Soopers and observed several female students on a pay telephone and overheard one of them say that they hoped that they did not wreck their plans since they had been working on it for so long."

                --Dick Strange, Clement Park Worker, hears gunfire coming from school. Turns to what he describes as an "undercover officer" standing near him and tells him he'd better get to the school. Comment: since Strange notices this 'undercover'(FBI?) man almost at the same time he sees and hears shooting, this guy must have had foreknowledge. Also says he notices black clad students whip out guns and start firing at the front of the school, not the back. (136__)

                --Jennifer Falbo, ex-TCMer, "knows the shoooters and knew that the shooting was going to happen."(17475)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                --Ryan Shaddock told another student "that something was about to occur, he knew about shooting and bomb at school."(17487)

                --Geoffrey Chevalier, alt-ed school student, told principle on 4-19 that there will be a "lot of funerals tomorrow." (18192)

                --Michael Zarate (Chatfield student?) overhears conversation about "guns in the basement" needed for "a shootout at Columbine" in local funplex on 4-15-99 Not H or K. Person was wearing elaborate makeup. (Redacted) named.(18501)

                --Report St. Clair City, Missouri. A 15yr old newly arrived from Fountain, CO made threats against his new school and knew about planned school shooting at a Colorado school two weeks before 4-20. Disposition of Lead? He was 'hospitalized for evaluation'.(18553)

                --Krista Hanley "further told (Josh) Barnes that she spoke to Harris on 4-19-99 and Harris told her what he was planning for tomorrow."(19592)

                --"T.J" Anthony Mark Pagliotte, Jr "Told his parents and stayed home from school the day of the shooting."(20132) He denies foreknowledge in the 11k(6978 ).

                --Jason Scott "T.J." Valentine(7302) "Told their(sic) parents and stayed home from school the day of the shooting."(20135)

                --Nate Dykeman "knew they were going to do something but didn't know they were going to do what they did."(20313)

                --Melissa Chavez "had prior knowledge of incident," and "said at least six others are involved in planning attack."(20953)

                --Linda Worten, Clement Park employee(24633) Dick Strange, another park employee, "told co-worker Linda Worten had info about shooting before it happened."

                13013
                Notes from Meg Beck, manager of Ascot Theatre, Littleton to IOs:
                "4/17 I went to Celebrity Vintage Costume shop at 1866 S Broadway to rent a costume. Heard the owner, Robert Lecher, talking to a couple different customers at different time, each time asking them if they ever get on the Internet. I heard him tell one of them to watch TV next week, that there was something really big going to happen, apocalyptic."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                SHOOTINGS DIRECTLY AFTER COLUMBINE

                11:15am on 4-20
                Columbine Massacre Begins

                ===============

                At 1:30pm on 4-20
                A gun with ammo is found in the trunk of a student's car at Kiowa High School(Denver metro area). The owner, 17, tried to run away. Cops also said he may have threatened others, and that he vowed revenge.

                ----------------------------------

                8:50pm on 4-20
                A theft of four handguns occurs from the Jumbo Sports Store in the town of Lone Tree in Douglas County using smash-and-grab techniques. Arrested later was an 18yr old ex-Columbine student and another 17 year old. Four handguns were recovered.
                "...the suspects do live in the area and have ties to Columbine High School" according to the Douglas County Sheriff's spokesperson.

                Cops implied it was a "hoax".

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                4-21-99
                In Colorado Springs(70 miles south of Denver), four teenagers dressed "as gothics in black trench coats and masks were charged with trespassing after a disturbance wedesday afternoon at Coronado High School." Another report had them armed with 'firecrackers.'

                Cops said it was a "hoax".

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                4-21-99
                Shutdown of Kennedy High
                Students said there will be an incident at Kennedy High on 4-21-99.
                "A 'potential link' to students responsible for the massacre at Columbine High School triggered the shutdown Wedesday(4-21) of Denver's Kennedy High School .... the boundaries of the two schools are adjacent.... "

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                4-22-99
                Manchester High School , Chesterfield, VA
                Two students, ages 14 and 15, were charged with conspiracy offenses in an alleged scheme to manufacture explosive devices and detonate them inside the 2,400-student school with the intent "to kill more than one person."
                The two teens charged were making plans to manufacture bombs long before the Littleton massacre.

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                4-22-99
                R.E. Lee High School, Staunton, Virginia
                Police arrested a 14-year-old high school student Thursday on a bomb-making charge after a tipster alerted them to an apparent parallel with the deadly Colorado school shooting. He was arrested after a home search turned up a pipe bomb and a floor plan for the school.

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                4-23-99
                Bellaire High School, Bellaire, Michigan
                Police are investigating threats against students at Bellaire High School by students referred to as the Trench Coat Mafia made prior to last week's massacre in Littleton, Colo..
                Police hope to determine if the alleged group in Bellaire had contact via computers with the Littleton group.

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                4-23-99
                Danforth Junior High School, Wimberly, TX
                Five 14-year-old boys were arrested on charges of planning an attack on Danforth Junior High School in Wimberley. They had planned the assault well before the massacre at Columbine. "Based on the statements given, it is clear that these young men were serious about targeting fellow students and teachers.''

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                4-22-99
                "Two 16-year old males were arrested for making bomb threats to Douglas County High School in Castle Rock(Colorado), according to county officials. They claimed to be members of the Trench Coat Mafia, officials said.""They were charged with making false reports of explosives and conspiracy, which are both felonies...."

                The police said it was a hoax.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if people knew beforehand they would've told the authorities and there'd have been some kind of response, this doesn't make any sense.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most adults didnt care and would view it as a fabrication. its not 2024

                4-22-99
                Manchester High School , Chesterfield, VA
                Two students, ages 14 and 15, were charged with conspiracy offenses in an alleged scheme to manufacture explosive devices and detonate them inside the 2,400-student school with the intent "to kill more than one person."
                The two teens charged were making plans to manufacture bombs long before the Littleton massacre.

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                4-22-99
                R.E. Lee High School, Staunton, Virginia
                Police arrested a 14-year-old high school student Thursday on a bomb-making charge after a tipster alerted them to an apparent parallel with the deadly Colorado school shooting. He was arrested after a home search turned up a pipe bomb and a floor plan for the school.

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                4-23-99
                Bellaire High School, Bellaire, Michigan
                Police are investigating threats against students at Bellaire High School by students referred to as the Trench Coat Mafia made prior to last week's massacre in Littleton, Colo..
                Police hope to determine if the alleged group in Bellaire had contact via computers with the Littleton group.

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                4-23-99
                Danforth Junior High School, Wimberly, TX
                Five 14-year-old boys were arrested on charges of planning an attack on Danforth Junior High School in Wimberley. They had planned the assault well before the massacre at Columbine. "Based on the statements given, it is clear that these young men were serious about targeting fellow students and teachers.''

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                4-22-99
                "Two 16-year old males were arrested for making bomb threats to Douglas County High School in Castle Rock(Colorado), according to county officials. They claimed to be members of the Trench Coat Mafia, officials said.""They were charged with making false reports of explosives and conspiracy, which are both felonies...."

                The police said it was a hoax.

                4-27-99(or before)
                "Student found with pipe bomb at Dakota Ridge High School(same school district as Columbine)."

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                4-27-99
                Todd Cameron Smith, 14, W.R. Myers HS, Taber, Alberta, Shoots and kills one boy and wounds two more.

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                4-29-99
                Sierra Middle School, Bakersfield California
                A 13-year-old boy with a loaded handgun and a hit list of 30 names was arrested at school. Authorities pulled the boy out of class at after classmates said they saw a gun under his shirt and saw him loading it outside. A .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun and 13 rounds of ammunition were found on the boy.

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                4-30-99
                Faye Holt, 34, of Westminster(Colorado), the mother of a former Pomona High School student, was arrested for a bomb scare that forced the evacuation of the school. The task force investigating the Columbine shootings was called in to determine if the threat was connected to the events at Columbine.

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                5-3-99
                Everett High School, Lansing, Michigan
                A student hurled homemade chemical bombs on the campus. "It's a kind of hysteria. It has a mind of its own, a face of its own. It has taken on its own personality. I've never experienced it as a professional" for 40 years, said Dale Glynn, principal

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                5-3-99
                Steven Allen Abrams, 39, Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center, Costa Mesa, California

                He intentionally plowed his Cadillac into a crowd of children outside a day care center, killing two toddlers and injuring five other people.

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                5-8-99
                Four former or current Adams High School(less than 30 miles northeast of Columbine) students were charged with attempted first-degree murder, for allegedly plotting an attack on the school.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                5-16-99
                A "real nasty" bomb was discovered Saturday at the entrance to a ballroom at the Sheraton Hotel in West Palm Beach, where hundreds of students were arriving for their high school prom. The pipe bomb was filled with nails and other debris that could have inflicted serious injury had it gone off.

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                5-19-99
                South Junior High, Anaheim, Calif.
                When police searched the homes of two eighth-graders at, they found two bombs, a rifle, a handgun, 1,500 rounds of ammunition and Nazi paraphernalia. They were tipped off by a student who heard that the boys were threatening to blow up the school.

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                5-20-99
                T.J. Solomon, 15, Heritage High, Conyers, GA 6 wounded by gunfire.

                Solomon wrote that he had been "planning it for a year.' A note found in Solomon's room:

                “I did this because, well, I'm not sure..... Ever since the shooting at Columbine in Colorado all I've been able to think about is doing this.”

                ...

                “One big question I leave behind for you to find is why. But for the sake of my brothers and sisters related to the Trench Coat Mafia, those answers will have to remain out of the public eye.”

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                SCHOOL FACTS

                -There was reportedly a warning call to a nearby hospital on a special government line roughly two hours before the attack.

                -Mark had only been attending the school for several weeks, and told his mother it was "weird." Drugs flowed freely, and the "classes" were marathon sessions of TV / MTV.
                http://www.hugequestions.com/Eric/Columbine/SonSensedSchoolWasWeird.mp3

                -There were "death education" classes at the Columbine (covered by 20 / 20 in 1990) involving a female teacher who described herself as 'psychic' and was overly sexual with students. The mathematics textbooks used sexual organs as 'units' in equations, and Mark recalled that a pornographic actor had been scheduled to teach students about how to have 'better sex.'
                http://www.hugequestions.com/Eric/Columbine/SonSensedSchoolWasWeird.mp3

                (20 / 20 report)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ID of the Other shooters.

                1) Cyrstal Archuleta(EP1-197)
                "...she did see one person throw a pipe bomb. .....She told me at the time she thought it was Robert Perry."

                2) Seth Dubois(EP21-125)
                "...Seth told Katherine(Carlston) that Robert Perry was seen shooting a girl in the back while leaving the library."

                3) Wade Allen Frank(EP1-91)
                "Mr. Frank told me that he thought origonally one of the individuals(shooting) was someone by the name of Robert..." "He stated that the person was tall, approximately 6'3" and kind of ackward(sic) and gangly."

                4) Bryan Frye(EP25-69)
                "He stated that the person he had previously believed this shooter to be was Robert Perry. .....In a previous interview, after receiving his yearbook, he had told his father that he believed the shooter to be Robert Perry. He also stated that the gunman had bad acne."

                5) Courtney Haulman(EP25-91)
                "There was three guys. The guy I remember most was the main guy. He's over 6' tall and has long curly dark-colored hair. He was wearing a trench coat. His name is Robert Perry."

                6) Lacey Hohn(EP1-186)
                "...can you identify or descibe who was shooting? ....Ms. Hohn said that she does not believe it was Harris or Klebold. Ms. Hohn believes it was an individual named Robert."

                7) Bijen Monty(EP1-110)
                "I asked her if she saw the source of the shooting. She told me she saw who she thought, at the time, was Robert Perry with a gun hanging around his neck. She said she never actually saw him shoot the weapon.

                "She asked me if I had any information in regards to Robert Perry. I informed her I did not."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ID ON THE SHOOTERS

                (20063): "During interview with (Jennifer)Falbo, she stated a friend, Bijen Monte, told her on the night of April 20, 199, the she (Monte) was in the cafeteria by the pop machines when this event began at CHS--Monte told Falbo that she saw (Redacted) enter the cafeteria with a 'handful of things.' He then threw these things which caused loud explosios. Monte said (Redacted) was wearing a white t-shirt and unknown pants."
                "Bijen Monte stated she was outside the commons area eating lunch. Heard shooting and then saw (Redacted) with a gun standing over two downed male victims. Monte picked (Redacted) from a photo lineup."

                8 ) Tessa Nelson(EP1-113)
                "I asked her if she saw the source of the shots. She said she saw a male, who she thought was Robert Perry, wearing boots, dark jeans with dark hair, walking down the stairs outside the cafeteria. She said the male suspect pulled a gun and started shooting."

                9) Katelyn Sue Place(EP21-285)
                Kate said, "It was (Redacted). I'm almost positive of it. I remember looking him dead in the eye. He was in my debate class..... . ...Dylan kind of looked like Robert, but Dylan doesn't have the long face. Robert's teeth are messed up and he was smiling and I saw his teeth then. Kate said that she has since seen pictures of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, and she said, "It's not one of them."(Referring to the person she saw shooting out on the outside commons.)

                "She remembers him shooting Ann Marie(Hochalter). .... Robert was just randomly shooting. ...Robert was still shooting. ....Kate said that Robert shot Ann Marie before he smiled at Kate. ....She looked and saw Jason(Autenrieth) trying to help Ann Marie, dragging her away from Robert, to the side."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                10) Lacey Smith(4470)
                "On the diagram she depicts (Redacted) as walking in through the doors, past where she was sitting, and going in about as far as they north end of the school store. It was at that time she heard the windows breaking and then realized she was hearing shots.

                "....she did not have any trouble indentifying PERRY when he walked past her. I asked SMITH how sure she was that the person she saw and spoke with was (Redacted). I asked, "90 percent sure? 50 percent sure?" Her response was "100 percent sure." I then showed SMITH a photo lineup which included a picture of Dylan KLEBOLD, and asked her if the person who walked past her was in the lineup. She stated he was NOT in the lineup. .....As (Redacted) passed her and was near the commons area of the cafeteria, she then explained that (Redacted) pulled a weapon out from under his trench coat and started firing into the cafeteria.

                11) Brenton Hooker(16397)
                "....he turned around and observed an individual he thought was ROBERT PERRY(ex-student of Columbine High School) standing outside the door just to the north of the main entrance shooting a pistol in his direction...." ....HOOKER described the individual he thought was PERRY as 6'8" - 6'11" in height, very skinny, tight black pants, black trench coat..."

                12) Tyler Chenoweth(1830)
                "A student named Jen Smull saw through the (science classroom)door during the incident and said that the tall suspect had curly hair and was the student who came to a Halloween party as a warlock. He thought of Robert Perry based on that description."

                I don't know about that. School shootings were not a cultural phenomenon at this time and Columbine would go on to be the most commonly directly cited instance (next to maybe Christchurch) as inspiration for shooters. Even in modern shootings plenty of people know beforehand and don't report anything - Nicholas Cruz was spotted by neighbors recording threats/things that would later be used in his manifesto. In the Dylan Roof shooting he told a ton of his friends he was going to be responsible for something similar - nobody did or said anything until after the fact.

                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                Going to deep dive this. I'm still ultra skeptical but this event remains fascinating to me after all this time.

                I approach everything with skepticism, you should too for this. The police reports of media, students, staff, construction workers from down the street who saw cars of teenagers with guns driving to the school b4 the shooting.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The following eyewitnesses identified a (Redacted) as being the shooter, with the description fitting Perry's:

                13) Tiffany Lien(968 )
                "Lien stated she believed gunman number one was (Redacted).... ...Lien stated that she was approximately twenty to twenty-five feet away from gunman number one and looked at him face to face for approximately 25 seconds, frozen in her tracks." Tall male had long black trench coat, black jeans, dark brown hair. His hair was kind of long and had curls. He was skinny and his shoulders kind of hunched over. ...She also stated that the gunman had bad acne.

                14) Kristen Long(20245)
                "Long said suspect definitely had dark hair and a large nose, thought it might be (Redacted)."

                15) Rusty Shyler(5464)
                "The individual was very tall. ...Shyler saw his face partially and thought based upon his dress and size that it may have been (Redacted). He was a hundred percent sure it was (Redacted). He described (Redacted) as being 6'6" to 6'7" tall and having lots of zits."

                16) Chris Thierren(1207)
                Saw a tall shooter with acne, large nose, shoulder-length hair. "He stated that the picture he saw was of (Redacted) and he was 'pretty sure' he was the shooter he saw that morning at CHS."

                17) Erin Walton(4139)
                "Erin Walton said she knew one of the shooters, and that he not one of (the) two Eric and Dylan. ...he was a senior named (Redacted). and he was very tall, had bad acne scars on his cheeks.... "

                The government has maintained that these witnesses mistook Robert Perry for Dylan Klebold.

                There are no students or faculty - with the exception of Brooks Brown (another curious figure) - who remember Klebold having acne. As late as Dec. 1998, Klebold appears in homemade video footage without any visible acne.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                18 ) Pat Caruso(2683 and EP17-13)
                "Thought the suspect looked like a trench coat student he has seen before who had bad acne, ....curly long dark brown hair, wearing black trenchcoat.... and a tie-dyed shirt, pink or yellow."

                19) Justin Norman(3929)
                "Upon the hill we saw a tall guy with blond hair, acne, big nose and buck teeth.... the guy had a handgun and he shot one kid in the ankle and another who didn't move." (Note: Accoding to Norman in a later interview, this was Klebold, though the description is more indicative of Perry.)

                20) Joanathan Ballard(1765)
                "One of the (trenchcoated)kids(who was walking the halls during the shooting-implied to be a shooter) was about 6'5" or 6'6",.... I later saw on channel 4 or 9 news, I'm almost positive, that same man or teen, on t.v., acting all worried." (Note: this can't be Harris or Klebold, as they died in the shooting.

                Others:

                21) Nathan Anema(2359)
                "....Anema identified (Redacted) as possibly being the person he saw throw a pipe bomb during the shooting at Columbine High School on 4-20-99. ...Anema stated that he initially thought the person that he saw throwing the pipe bomb was (Redacted)."

                22) Katie Beer(6636)
                ".... when the incident began at Columbine High School, she initially tried to get out of the school by going toward the main doors on the east side of the school by the administrative offices, however, she said she saw a third shooter next to these offices and that this third shooter shot out windows at that location. ...Katy Beer told him this third shooter may have been (Redacted)."

                23) Jason Brehm(719)
                One of the shooters had a very round face, shorter than 5'11". Not Harris or Klebold.

                24) Leanne Clark(1422)
                "...Clark told her that she saw who did the shooting in the cafeteria, and that Clark identified (Redacted) as a gunman."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                25) John Cook(756)
                A couple of weeks after the massacre, "Cook said he believed he could ID both of the suspects if he saw photos of them again." Since everybody had seen the photos of H&K in the media, and knew they had died in the incident, Cook is clearly not talking about Eric or Dylan here.

                26) Frank DeAngelis, School Principle(8018 )
                "I also assisted the principle of Columbine, who was having hard time giving the pictures of possible suspects to the command post and was present when he looked at and identified one of the suspects he was named.(sic) The male suspect was in the custody of, I believe, Jefferson Co. Sheriff's investigators."

                27) David Eagle(1878 )
                "The guy with the gun had black hair looked like it was spiked shaved on the sides.(sic) It was also blond on top. 5'9", about 18 years old.

                "He has since seen pictures of Harris and Klebold on television. ...David said that the person he saw did not look like the people he's seen on television."

                28 ) Ashley Egelund(22671)
                "Ashley was in north corridor when she observed (Redacted) and Eric Harris coming around the corner from the library.... She said Chris Morris was armed with a handgun while Harris was armed with a shotgun.(5248 ) ....both started shooting at Ashley.... Ashley did not know (Redacted) at first but she saw his picture in the yearbook and is positive it was (Redacted).

                "... No photo lineup per Investigator Battan."

                29) Amy Evans(22205)
                "....Amy Evans said there was a third shooter and it was (Redacted)."

                30) Joel Hatfield(19277)
                "Joel Hatfield interviewed 4-29-99. Saw one shooter with excellent description of dress, physical, guns and movement. Could ID in lineup if needed." Once again, this cannot be H or K, as everybody was aware that H&K were in no position to stand in a lineup!

                [...]

                >Most adults didnt care and would view it as a fabrication. its not 2024
                So then it's not evidence of any conspiracy but rather complacency.

                its a conspiracy,teachers were compliant not in the way you think Ill post after, you can read the 11k and see for yourself
                https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/21415997/

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know about that. School shootings were not a cultural phenomenon at this time and Columbine would go on to be the most commonly directly cited instance (next to maybe Christchurch) as inspiration for shooters. Even in modern shootings plenty of people know beforehand and don't report anything - Nicholas Cruz was spotted by neighbors recording threats/things that would later be used in his manifesto. In the Dylan Roof shooting he told a ton of his friends he was going to be responsible for something similar - nobody did or said anything until after the fact.

                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                Going to deep dive this. I'm still ultra skeptical but this event remains fascinating to me after all this time.

                >Most adults didnt care and would view it as a fabrication. its not 2024
                So then it's not evidence of any conspiracy but rather complacency.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                25) John Cook(756)
                A couple of weeks after the massacre, "Cook said he believed he could ID both of the suspects if he saw photos of them again." Since everybody had seen the photos of H&K in the media, and knew they had died in the incident, Cook is clearly not talking about Eric or Dylan here.

                26) Frank DeAngelis, School Principle(8018 )
                "I also assisted the principle of Columbine, who was having hard time giving the pictures of possible suspects to the command post and was present when he looked at and identified one of the suspects he was named.(sic) The male suspect was in the custody of, I believe, Jefferson Co. Sheriff's investigators."

                27) David Eagle(1878 )
                "The guy with the gun had black hair looked like it was spiked shaved on the sides.(sic) It was also blond on top. 5'9", about 18 years old.

                "He has since seen pictures of Harris and Klebold on television. ...David said that the person he saw did not look like the people he's seen on television."

                28 ) Ashley Egelund(22671)
                "Ashley was in north corridor when she observed (Redacted) and Eric Harris coming around the corner from the library.... She said Chris Morris was armed with a handgun while Harris was armed with a shotgun.(5248 ) ....both started shooting at Ashley.... Ashley did not know (Redacted) at first but she saw his picture in the yearbook and is positive it was (Redacted).

                "... No photo lineup per Investigator Battan."

                29) Amy Evans(22205)
                "....Amy Evans said there was a third shooter and it was (Redacted)."

                30) Joel Hatfield(19277)
                "Joel Hatfield interviewed 4-29-99. Saw one shooter with excellent description of dress, physical, guns and movement. Could ID in lineup if needed." Once again, this cannot be H or K, as everybody was aware that H&K were in no position to stand in a lineup!
                [...]
                its a conspiracy,teachers were compliant not in the way you think Ill post after, you can read the 11k and see for yourself
                https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/21415997/

                Why was Principle Frank DeAngelis running up and down the interior cafeteria stairs before the shooting broke out? He had heard of a group of boys who talked of detonating something on 4-20. (5671) And rumor had it that he was warned. (3894)

                Why did Mr. Mosier, science teacher, tell his students that they had been expecting a fire drill?(1864) Was a bomb found in a trash can on 4-19?(2016) Were bomb threats phoned into the school on the morning of 4-20? (3469 and 4630)

                And don't believe the hype -- the school people, especially the disciplinary, security, and mental health staff, knew exactly who the Trench Coat Mafia were and what they were dealing with. You think that all those kids in middle school (junior high school) who were warned about the TCM knew more then the professionals?

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              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's described here

                Eric Veik wasn't the only student believed to have foreknowledge.

                Patrick McDuffee - a member of the Trench Coat Mafia - gave a detailed statement to law enforcement on the evening of 4-20 identifying multiple students at Columbine, Chatfield and Bear Creek as having foreknowledge (and varying degrees of involvement).

                There were also the three arrested in a field adjacent to the school. They identified the suspects as Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold before their names were broadcast, and told police they had heard about the shooting on the radio despite no (officially acknowledged) radio broadcasts mentioning the attacks at that time. Cork Chicota - an adult onlooker told investigators (7462) that the three men told him that "they knew something bad was going to happen."

                There is evidence that there was widespread knowledge - both in the school and the surrounding community - that "something big was going to happen."

                -Justin (2293) and Jerry Alber (7428) heard Alejandra 'Alex' Marsh - a member of the Trench Coat Mafia and a practicing Wiccan - saying that they had been planning it since December. They both got the impression that she knew it was going to happen.

                -While running away, Heidi Wildona (4726) said she was helped over a wall by a girl [possibly Marsh, who was in the area] who said the suspects told her about the shooting.

                -Brooks Skinner was (2178) "approached by a girl [possibly Marsh, who was in the area] who said 'they planned to do it and she knew about it for a year.'"

                -Brandi Malonson & Jonathan Fries (3634, 3049 and 4573) heard Courtney Van Dell - a member of the Trench Coat Mafia known as "devil girl" (she fashioned her braids to look like horns) - say something big was going to happen at lunch.

                -Nicole Ray (4144) says Melissa Sowder - a member and / or associate of the Trench Coat Mafia - had two weeks foreknowledge.

                -Kristin Griffith (6457) says Melissa Sowder told her friend Danny Romero that she two weeks foreknowledge.

                described more short-sightedness and complacency rather than conspiracy - no? The rest definitely errs toward conspiracy but these points specifically don't appear that way.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                40 people could ID 3+shooters and 100 saw more than 2.adults, staff, media heart shooting until 4pm, way after the two died

                [...]
                Why was Principle Frank DeAngelis running up and down the interior cafeteria stairs before the shooting broke out? He had heard of a group of boys who talked of detonating something on 4-20. (5671) And rumor had it that he was warned. (3894)

                Why did Mr. Mosier, science teacher, tell his students that they had been expecting a fire drill?(1864) Was a bomb found in a trash can on 4-19?(2016) Were bomb threats phoned into the school on the morning of 4-20? (3469 and 4630)

                And don't believe the hype -- the school people, especially the disciplinary, security, and mental health staff, knew exactly who the Trench Coat Mafia were and what they were dealing with. You think that all those kids in middle school (junior high school) who were warned about the TCM knew more then the professionals?

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                DRILLS

                -"The Shootings at Columbine High School: Responding to a New Kind of Terrorism" by Harvard University / DOJ, p. 3
                "....in 1997, while still a commissioner, Stone had helped organize a trip to Emmitsburg, Maryland, for county representatives and local organization leaders to attend a Federal Emergency Management agency(FEMA) disaster training course. ... The four-day session, which FEMA designed specially to address the needs of Jefferson County, Stone says, included training and "tabletop" exercises that had improved the county's implementation of "incident command" --a clearly defined incident management structure designating, among other things, command roles, tasks to be accomplished, and a system to assign responsibility for each task."

                -Jeni LaPlante(Time, 4-21-99)
                "What I just heard on the news is that two weeks ago they all went to a special training session on crisis management."

                -Daryll Strahl(Jen's mother)
                "I think the school district has done an awesome job. When confronted with this crisis, their teacher knew what to do. Their crisis training that they just had enabled them to save a bunch of kids' lives yesterday."

                http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/COUNTY_TEXT.htm
                April 20, 1999, started promisingly in Jefferson County. Early that morning, community leaders had gathered at the fairgrounds for the Good News Breakfast, which is held each year in honor of good works being performed throughout the county.

                At one table, Jefferson County Administrator Ron Holliday talked to Sheriff John P. Stone about their meeting scheduled in the afternoon to discuss emergency management issues. Nearby sat two of the county commissioners, representatives from the school district and other community leaders. The event gave them a chance to celebrate positive happenings and programs in the county.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Michelle Fox (5196)

                "Michelle said that upon exiting these doors, she saw "at on of people" in and around the area near the northeast corner of the gymnasium's exterior. Michelle said that she then began walking in a northwest direction, on the gymnasium's north side Michelle said that after she walked about thirty yards in said direction, she looked back toward the gymnasium and noticed an individual "wearing white" standing on the roof of the gymnasium, along its north side, approximately fifteen yards from its west side. Michelle then indicated on a school map where she stopped and looked back toward the gymnasium, and where she saw this person on its roof. Michelle said that this person on the roof was holding something that was "long," and appeared to be pointing it northward. At the same time, Michelle said she heard about four "pops," which she assumed were gunshots coming from this individual on the roof, but acknowledged could have been coming from the west side of the school."

                ...

                "I asked Michelle several times whether she was absolutely certain she was absolutely certain she saw an individual standing on the roof of the gymnasium. I reminded Michelle that the gymnasium would have been the tallest portion of the school from where she had been. Michelle was adamant that she had seen a person on the gymnasium roof, and she is "absolutely certain" that this person was wearing a white shirt ... Michelle was also adamant that she saw this person holding a long object, but could not confirm whether or not it was a gun. Michelle's mother told me that Michelle's account of what she did and what she saw has remained consistent since she first heard it."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Karen Drinnon and Michael Valerio (13159-13160)

                "(W) Drinnon stated that on the date of the school shootings, she was at work, in a building located approximately 1 mile south of Columbine High. At about 11:25am, she heard sirens and observed emergency vehicles speeding northbound on Pierce St. Looking out her third story office window she could tell that there was activity at the school and students were apparently being evacuated."

                "(W) Drinnon stated, her employer, (W) Valerio left the office shortly after 11:30 and upon his return had a small telescope, a pair of binoculars and a video camera. He took the equipment into his office, on the northeast corner of the building and started watching the activity. She explained, she kept working but would go into the office every so often to update herself on what was going on. At one point, she thought around 11:45am - 12:30pm, while they were watching through the remote viewer of the video camera, using the telephoto lens, they observed two individuals on the south edge roof of the school."

                "According to (W) Drinnon, she did not get a good look at the individuals. She was unable to provide a physical description but thought one of the individuals was wearing a white t-shirt and the other possibly wearing a white shirt with a red stripe. She believed one of them was possibly looking over the edge of the building and did not see either individuals holding a weapon or any type of bag. She also thought the location that the individuals were in should have been visible to people on the ground."

                ...

                "I [Inv. Greg McComas of the Colorado State Patrol] also interviewed (W) Valerio, information control sheet #1713, and obtained a copy of the above mentioned video tape. (W) Valerio stated the activity on the roof was closer to 2:00pm and he felt it was law enforcement personnel, see report #99-31014/C for details."

                [This video was never made available to the public. Why?]

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know about that. School shootings were not a cultural phenomenon at this time and Columbine would go on to be the most commonly directly cited instance (next to maybe Christchurch) as inspiration for shooters. Even in modern shootings plenty of people know beforehand and don't report anything - Nicholas Cruz was spotted by neighbors recording threats/things that would later be used in his manifesto. In the Dylan Roof shooting he told a ton of his friends he was going to be responsible for something similar - nobody did or said anything until after the fact.

                4-22-99
                Manchester High School , Chesterfield, VA
                Two students, ages 14 and 15, were charged with conspiracy offenses in an alleged scheme to manufacture explosive devices and detonate them inside the 2,400-student school with the intent "to kill more than one person."
                The two teens charged were making plans to manufacture bombs long before the Littleton massacre.

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                4-22-99
                R.E. Lee High School, Staunton, Virginia
                Police arrested a 14-year-old high school student Thursday on a bomb-making charge after a tipster alerted them to an apparent parallel with the deadly Colorado school shooting. He was arrested after a home search turned up a pipe bomb and a floor plan for the school.

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                4-23-99
                Bellaire High School, Bellaire, Michigan
                Police are investigating threats against students at Bellaire High School by students referred to as the Trench Coat Mafia made prior to last week's massacre in Littleton, Colo..
                Police hope to determine if the alleged group in Bellaire had contact via computers with the Littleton group.

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                4-23-99
                Danforth Junior High School, Wimberly, TX
                Five 14-year-old boys were arrested on charges of planning an attack on Danforth Junior High School in Wimberley. They had planned the assault well before the massacre at Columbine. "Based on the statements given, it is clear that these young men were serious about targeting fellow students and teachers.''

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                4-22-99
                "Two 16-year old males were arrested for making bomb threats to Douglas County High School in Castle Rock(Colorado), according to county officials. They claimed to be members of the Trench Coat Mafia, officials said.""They were charged with making false reports of explosives and conspiracy, which are both felonies...."

                The police said it was a hoax.

                Most adults didnt care and would view it as a fabrication. its not 2024

                [...]
                4-27-99(or before)
                "Student found with pipe bomb at Dakota Ridge High School(same school district as Columbine)."

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                4-27-99
                Todd Cameron Smith, 14, W.R. Myers HS, Taber, Alberta, Shoots and kills one boy and wounds two more.

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                4-29-99
                Sierra Middle School, Bakersfield California
                A 13-year-old boy with a loaded handgun and a hit list of 30 names was arrested at school. Authorities pulled the boy out of class at after classmates said they saw a gun under his shirt and saw him loading it outside. A .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun and 13 rounds of ammunition were found on the boy.

                ----------------------

                4-30-99
                Faye Holt, 34, of Westminster(Colorado), the mother of a former Pomona High School student, was arrested for a bomb scare that forced the evacuation of the school. The task force investigating the Columbine shootings was called in to determine if the threat was connected to the events at Columbine.

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                5-3-99
                Everett High School, Lansing, Michigan
                A student hurled homemade chemical bombs on the campus. "It's a kind of hysteria. It has a mind of its own, a face of its own. It has taken on its own personality. I've never experienced it as a professional" for 40 years, said Dale Glynn, principal

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                5-3-99
                Steven Allen Abrams, 39, Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center, Costa Mesa, California

                He intentionally plowed his Cadillac into a crowd of children outside a day care center, killing two toddlers and injuring five other people.

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                5-8-99
                Four former or current Adams High School(less than 30 miles northeast of Columbine) students were charged with attempted first-degree murder, for allegedly plotting an attack on the school.

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                5-16-99
                A "real nasty" bomb was discovered Saturday at the entrance to a ballroom at the Sheraton Hotel in West Palm Beach, where hundreds of students were arriving for their high school prom. The pipe bomb was filled with nails and other debris that could have inflicted serious injury had it gone off.

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                5-19-99
                South Junior High, Anaheim, Calif.
                When police searched the homes of two eighth-graders at, they found two bombs, a rifle, a handgun, 1,500 rounds of ammunition and Nazi paraphernalia. They were tipped off by a student who heard that the boys were threatening to blow up the school.

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                5-20-99
                T.J. Solomon, 15, Heritage High, Conyers, GA 6 wounded by gunfire.

                Solomon wrote that he had been "planning it for a year.' A note found in Solomon's room:

                “I did this because, well, I'm not sure..... Ever since the shooting at Columbine in Colorado all I've been able to think about is doing this.”

                ...

                “One big question I leave behind for you to find is why. But for the sake of my brothers and sisters related to the Trench Coat Mafia, those answers will have to remain out of the public eye.”

                SCHOOL FACTS

                -There was reportedly a warning call to a nearby hospital on a special government line roughly two hours before the attack.

                -Mark had only been attending the school for several weeks, and told his mother it was "weird." Drugs flowed freely, and the "classes" were marathon sessions of TV / MTV.
                http://www.hugequestions.com/Eric/Columbine/SonSensedSchoolWasWeird.mp3

                -There were "death education" classes at the Columbine (covered by 20 / 20 in 1990) involving a female teacher who described herself as 'psychic' and was overly sexual with students. The mathematics textbooks used sexual organs as 'units' in equations, and Mark recalled that a pornographic actor had been scheduled to teach students about how to have 'better sex.'
                http://www.hugequestions.com/Eric/Columbine/SonSensedSchoolWasWeird.mp3

                (20 / 20 report)

                Going to deep dive this. I'm still ultra skeptical but this event remains fascinating to me after all this time.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      speaking of the library

      >-Why did at least 35 witnesses report hearing gunfire or explosions after 12 PM when Harris and Klebold were alleged to have killed themselves? According to the Denver Post (4-21-99): "By 3:45 p.m., shots still rang out inside the school."

      Here's the sources for this point:

      --12:11pm

      Littleton Fire Departmant radio traffic log: "Shots still being fired."(EP 10-4)

      --12:15pm

      Around 12:15 Jen Smull hears gunfire outside of Mr. Peterson's science class. She recognized Dylan Klebold "attempting to get into the science class next door to her."(16399)

      --12:16pm

      "Suspect at front doors with a hostage" (From the timeline prepared by JCSO Valbert, pg25167)

      --12:23pm

      "more shots fired" (timeline, Dep Valbert, pg25167)

      --12:30pm

      Science hall witness Pam Karakusis hears

      two to four gunshots(1979).

      --12:30 -12:45pm

      Science hall witness Elizabeth Schneider said the shots lasted until 12:30 or 12:45pm(2163).

      --12:35 to12:39pm

      A group of three Denver policemen fire into west entrance and north library door. Lt. Manwaring saw the sillouette of an 'aggressor' inside double doors and fired two rounds from an AR-15 at the 'veiled' person. Sgt. O'Shea saw a muzzle flash and said a suspect threw an Improvised Explosive Device(IED) at him from the north library door. He fired his 9mm at least three times into the door of the library. Capt. Vince DiManna felt 'a concussive heat' as he passed the library door. DPDO Depew, observing from a distance, said the officers were getting fired upon and saw debris coming of out of the west doors toward them(7996). George Gray fired 16-18 rounds of 'suppression' fire at the west doors, though he claims not to have seen any gunmen. (Pages 68-69, Governor's Commission Report)

      --12:43pm

      CHS Command Post Log reveals "A report of more shots fired on the north side of the school."(9640)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        --12:45pm

        DPDO Lietz, in phone contact with student Matt Depew downstairs, hears shooting, 20 minutes of silence, then more shooting. Heard gunshots over the phone from 11:20am to 12:45pm(2837).

        --12:45pm

        Accoding to Mr. DeAngelis, "...Harris and Klebold died at approximately 12:45pm"(of gunshots, presumably).(EP1-283)

        --12:45 to 1pm

        Science hall witnesses James Bisgard, Steve Broden, Elisha Encinas, Travis Meason, Melissa Phillips, and Johnathan Vandermark all hear gunshots for the first 30 to 60 minutes, then 30-45 minutes of silence, then more gunshots for 10-30 minutes.

        --12:51pm

        "Shots fired on south side/possibly friendly fire" (pg25167)

        --12:51pm

        Andy Marton, campus supervisor, says gunmen's fire stopped at about 12:51pm. (18334)

        --1pm

        Hiding in a cabinet, library witness Patricia Neilson says she hears a small, short burst of gunfire in the library. "She looked at her watch." (page 76 in the 11K)

        --1pm

        Teacher Marlene Nederman hiding in one of the closets off the kitchen, hears three to four shots upstairs(3891).

        --1pm

        Science hall witness Mike Rotole says he heard five or six shots from the library(1954).

        --1:09pm

        Local station KUSA, also broadcast on CNN, gets a live report from a "James"* inside the school who reports hearing gunshots about 1:09pm.

        --1pm- 1:15pm

        Matt Depew hiding in the kitchen storage room with others hears the suspects in the kitchen and cafeteria until about 1 to 1:15pm(2826) Richard Green, also in that room, heard gunfire until about 1pm(3196). Shannon Ryan said the last shots were fired from about 1 to 2pm(4268). Brandi Wiseman heard the gunmen shooting appliances in the kitchen at 12:30pm. "She looked at her watch."

        --1pm

        Teacher Marlene Nederman hiding in one of the closets off the kitchen, hears three to four shots upstairs(3891).

        --1pm

        Science hall witness Mike Rotole says he heard five or six shots from the library(1954)

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's a shame this thread drove off the /x/ cliff, the columbine shooting is actually an interesting subject from a tactical perspective.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah some of these schizo morons just can't help themselves, everything is some master plan instead of just some buttholes murdering normies

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >schizo
        I came into columbine a skeptic, but you can read the official police report where all these quotes are from. Its not some fabrication

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have the 900-whatever page sheriff's office report, I've read it. It's pretty simple really, they were weirdos with violent power fantasies who decided to live them out.
        what's more interesting is their own documentation on their planning process, accruing the stuff and building/testing the pipe bombs, going innawoods for range time.

        Some people just can't rectify the thought that there are sociopaths out there, things that look human but don't have anything on the inside. To me, that's way more spooky than a glowie conspiracy or da juice.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its the 11k, not 900. I am always skeptical and hating blaming glowies or israelites too.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah some of these schizo morons just can't help themselves, everything is some master plan instead of just some buttholes murdering normies

      I think if anything the preparation, shortcomings by community, police, familyy and the post-event effects on the U.S. are the interesting parts about Columbine. I can't think of a single tactical element of this that is "interesting" - the most prepared elements of this event (large-scale bombings) didn't actually work and these gays killed people who were cowering under tables.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it was unprecedented, and the organic methods that Eric and Dylan came up with, while ultimately terrible, are interesting to study.
        I guess "tactical" is the wrong word, "technical" would be more accurate.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Damn, you're telling me that the children of the local police went to the local high school? This probably goes all the way to the top man, watch your back.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]
    I think if anything the preparation, shortcomings by community, police, familyy and the post-event effects on the U.S. are the interesting parts about Columbine. I can't think of a single tactical element of this that is "interesting" - the most prepared elements of this event (large-scale bombings) didn't actually work and these gays killed people who were cowering under tables.

    Jefferson county is full of glowies, I also hate blaming glowies for everything too

    [...]

    It's interesting to note that Duane Eaton (Arvada PD) had been assigned to interview Nalty by FBI - not JCSO. Why the federal interest in the "Splatterpunks"?

    For whatever reason they were released fairly quickly, it seems.

    Others remembered their suspect behaviour:

    --Matt Lohrenz(1505) says he saw them walking near the Public Library, "looking at the people and grinning."(he recognized one of them when they appeared on the Sally Jesse Raphael Show 10 days later)

    --Johnathan McMaster(3721) says one of his friends(Tindall) saw them walk past his house talking on cell phones - one, strangely enough, identified as "(redacted)." Were they with someone?

    --Ken Greenwalt (748) is a security guard at the Swedish Medical Center. He saw the 3 splatterpunks exit their vehicle. Columbine was already on the news at the time, and he sees them being arrested on TV (unfortunately he does not give a time). Later, he sees them reenter vehicle and "raise their fists in the air and wave them towards the school, as if they were happy about what happened."

    More information:

    (9798 )
    --Matt Nalty listed along with others on a list of TCMers described as 'associates' of H&K; list compiled 4-21-99.

    (17864)
    --According to an unnamed listiner of KOA radio, library witness Brian Anderson was interviewed and said the splatter punks were involved with the delivery of pipe bombs.

    (18007)
    --SPs seen getting out of white Ford after CHS already on TV

    Cork Chicota(18274)
    --"...they said they knew these guys(suspects) and knew this was going to happen because they talk to each other on the internet all the time. They also advised the suspects were very angry at students because of the way they treated them

    [Foreknowledge not simply of the attack and the suspects' names but of the official motive? Trying to 'spread the story'?]

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "After the initial shots were fired, Harris took off his trench coat, revealing a white T-shirt underneath. This act of discarding his coat caused some confusion and speculation about the number of gunmen involved. Many witnesses initially believed that a third gunmen existed because they saw a person in a white T-shirt either holding or shooting a gun."

      "One student witness described seeing two males, wearing trench coats, shooting guns. The witness ran away from the gunmen across the parking lot. When he turned around to look back, he saw a gunman with a white T-shirt throwing a bomb and assumed a third person was involved in the activity. During the initial investigation, Harris’ discarded trench coat was found lying in the dirt at the top of the hill."

      However, the witnesses maintain they saw two males in trench coats *with* a third individual in a white t-shirt (and blue jeans):

      Chris Wisher (p. 1261, JCSO files):

      Chris states that he was behind the cafeteria about 100 yards away, and heard what he thought were fireworks. He turned and saw two kids wearing trench coats, and one kid wearing a white T-shirt who was throwing bombs onto the school. One of the trench-coated kids shot a shotgun at him, and then other kid in a trench coat had an automatic rifle. A little later, he and his friends also saw a person with a gun hiding in the bushes in Weaver Park.

      Jake Apodaca (o. 653, JCSO files):

      He states that he saw 3 suspects, simultaneously. He was at the soccer field, heard firecrackers. He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, wearing black trench coats, black berets, black pants, black army boots, and black T-shirts. He had seen them at school before, but could not find them in the yearbook. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt, jeans, light brown hair, that he had not seen him at school before, was seen throwing bombs onto the roof. It is not stated if the 3rd suspect had a gun or not.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wisher and Apodaca were interviewed on television on 4-20-1999 and confirmed that they saw the three:

        Jonathan Cole (p. 749, JCSO files)

        He states that he had met up with Jake Apodaca and Chris Wisher outside the main West entrance. There, he noticed two tall guys in black trench coats, no hats, one had on a ski mask, and one had "puffy" hair. One had a white T-shirt under his coat, the other had a black or dark T-shirt. These 2 walked over to top of the hill and looked down toward the cafeteria. He then saw a third male, wearing a white T-shirt and blue jeans, exit the school through the same door. This person looked over to the other two suspect, and yelled "GO!! GO!!". The two suspects pulled out guns and began shooting. Jonathan began running, looked back and saw the person in the white T-shirt throwing some bombs onto the roof, which exploded. Several days later, when students were allowed back into the school to claim their belongings, he saw the white-t-shirted bomb-thrower at the school. This person is described as being 5'10", wearing black glasses, and having collar length blondish brown hair. Jonathan was shown a photo lineup, but could not identify him as one of those suspects. Jonathan was about 73' to 75' away from the gunmen, but could not identify them.

        William Arapkiles (p. 660, JCSO files)

        On 5/5/99, he states that he was at the soccer field, and heard firecrackers. He turned and saw 3 people near the West entrance. Two were wearing black trench coats, and carrying guns. The third was wearing a white T-shirt, and no visible gun. The person in the white T-shirt was pacing back and forth about 5' away from the two gunmen. He saw the gunmen shoot toward the ground and into the air. He saw them shoot one person near the top of the stair, and another at the bottom of the hill, then a third victim that was trying to run away across the parking lot.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don Arnold (p. 666, JCSO files)
          Don states that he was on the soccer field, heard firecrackers, and turned toward the school. He saw a "short, pudgy" male in a white T-shirt that was throwing bombs onto the roof. He did not see this person having a gun. Don saw another male standing at the top of the hill, shooting toward the parking lot. Don had gone shooting with his father before, and knew the sounds of gunshots. He heard two different gunshot sounds -- one was a shotgun, and the other was not. This shooter then turned and shot 5 or 6 time toward the soccer field using a shotgun. He saw that this shotgun was a pump shotgun.

          Pat Neville (p. 1043, JCSO files)
          On 5/6/99, gave an account much like Don Arnold's. He was by the soccer field, heard firecrackers, turned and saw two suspects. One in a black trench coat, tall, all in black, shooting people with a long gun. The other had a white T-shirt, blue jeans, no visible gun, and was throwing bombs onto the roof.

          Arthur Curtis (p. 765, JCSO files)
          Arthur was also on the soccer field. He only saw 2 shooters. One was tall, with long hair, and wore a black trench, the other wore a white T-shirt. He saw the one in the black trench coat carrying a sawed-off shotgun. Arthur states that he could identify the one in the trench coat if given a picture. He saw them shoot at groups of people and at the soccer field witnesses. He reported that the one in the white T-shirt descended the stairs, fired a few shots, and went back up the stairs.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Mike Kenny (p. 938, JCSO files)

            Mike was also on the soccer field when here heard a noise like firecrackers. He looked and saw two people about 100 yards away. One was in a black trench coat and black pants and was holding a TEC-9, the other was about 10 feet behind him and was wearing a white T-shirt and blue jeans. They appeared to be together. The one in the trench coat was shooting, but Mike couldn't tell if the one in the white T-shirt was shooting or not. The trench coat shooter shot at the players on the soccer field, who ducked and ran. Mike looked back, and saw explosions on the roof. He did not see anyone throw a bomb up there, but either of the two suspects he did see could have thrown a bomb to that location.

            Jason Brehm (p. 718, JCSO files)

            On 5/5/99, Jason give the following information: Jason walked out the West main doors, and saw a figure in a black trench coat, leaning against a post outside the library North door. This person was a little shorter than 5'11", with a round face, and was not Eric or Harris. This person had a black hat turned backward, black boots, and one pants leg tucked into a boot. This person also has a large, full, black nylon bag with straps at his feet. Jason walked to the soccer field, heard firecrackers, and turned around. He turned, and saw the guy in the trench coat still there, with smoke rising beside him. He said this lone gunman walked down and back up the stair, shooting, then threw some bombs onto the roof, then ran back down the stairs and shot a different, louder gun, which Jason thinks was a shotgun. He thinks that was when Lance Kirkland was shot in the face. As Jason was running away, he saw a figure in a white T-shirt walking calmly from the parking lot towards the shooter.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              J-u-s-t-i-n Woods (page 1268)
              J-u-s-t-i-n was on the soccer field, and states that he was about 50 feet away, and saw two guys come out of the West entrance of the school. He identifies one shooter as Dylan, describes him as wearing a trench coat, a black hat, and no mask, carrying a handgun with a banana clip. He says that the other suspect wore a white shirt, black pants, boots, not hat, no mask, and more clean-cut that the other. This suspect had a shotgun, leaned against the fence and shot at people. Klebold was shooting at (illegible) and the other people on the soccer field as they ran away. He heard explosions, and saw smoke on the roof of the school.

              Bryan Stepp (page 1179)
              On 4/30/99, Bryan stated that he was playing soccer, and saw two guys near the West main entrance. One was wearing all black, black cargo pants, black trench coat, and a hat. The other suspect was wearing a black trench coat and a white shirt, and a hat. He saw the first suspect bend down and light fireworks or pipe bombs. When he stood up, Bryan could see he held a gun with a banana clip. He said that someone walked out of the West entrance door, and this suspect shot at this person, who then fell down. Bryan said that this suspect shot at students down the hill from him, and they all ran away except one, then the shooter shot at the student in the soccer field, who fled. When Bryan looked again, he heard explosions and saw smoke above the roof of the school. He also saw the banana-clip shooter shoot out the windows in the double doors of the West main entrance, then both shooters walked down the stairs toward the cafeteria, where they shot out a window.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Evan Vitale (page 1243)
                On 4/20/99, Evan stated that he was in the Sr. parking lot, in a car that was about to leave school. He heard a "pop pop pop" and looked, and saw a kid on the top of the hill, shooting a rifle, about 30 shots. This gunman was wearing a white T-shirt, a trench coat, black pants, had dark hair and dark skin. He saw another individual in a dark trench coat, a black ball cap worn backwards, and long, blond hair, who was running up and down the stairs outside the West side of the cafeteria. As the car began pulling out, Evan noticed a third suspect. This person was stand by the wall next to the West side of the cafeteria. This suspect was holding a pump shotgun, and wore a white shirt and black pants. He was very sure this was not Dylan. Evan did not believe it possible for this suspect to be the same as the shooter on the hill, as it seemed that this would have required this person to move too far too fast.

                Trent Karnes (page 911)
                Trent was the driver of the car Evan Vitale was riding in. He was in the parking lot when he heard what he thought was someone roofing. It was 6 or 7 rapid gunshots. He turned and saw a person at the top of the outside stairs, holding a rifle, leaning on a fence, shooting down the hill at people. He was wearing a white dress shirt, black dress pants, and a thin black vest. Trent saw another person, about 6'2" or 6'3" tall, in a black trench coat, black pants, medium brown shoulder length hair, a black leather hat, and sunglasses. He saw this person running up and down the stairs, apparently looking at the victims between groups of shots by the first person. Trent estimated the distance at between 100 and 200 yards. He also mentions that there was a kid wearing a white T-shirt and faded blue jean shorts, standing, watching and smiling. He thinks this kid was not part of it, only that he thought it was a joke, as apparently did the other people he saw smiling as they ran.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mindy Pollock (page 1093)
                She was about to get into Trent's car with Evan, where she heard firecrackers. She looked, and saw a man running up and down the stairs, and another standing at the top of the stairs shooting people. She thought is a skit. She described the running man as wearing black pants, black shirt, a black hat backwards, a black trench coat, and carrying a silver handgun, which she did not see him shoot. She described the shooter as wearing black pants, a white shirt, black suspenders, a red hat backwards, and a huge black gun.

                WHITE SHIRT BOMBER (SUMMARY)

                We know Harris was wearing a white T-shirt, but did the investigators come to the correct conclusion that every sighting of a suspect in a white T-shirt was Harris? Of the 14 sightings listed above, only 7 are consistent with Harris. Even with these 7, 3 are clearly inconsistent with the official timeline. (See detailed analysis of the witnesses' accounts below.) Put another way: of the 14 people that witnessed these events, only 4 gave statements consistent with the description and activities of Eric Harris, as seen in the Sheriff's Report.

                Most telling however, is that no less than 4 witnesses saw 3 suspects AT THE SAME TIME. These 4 witnesses were Chris Wisher, Jake Apodaca, Jonathan Cole, and William Arapkiles. This is very, very strong corroboration - corroboration that was either overlooked or ignored. Additionally, the accounts of Don Arnold and Evan Vitale strongly suggested a third suspect.

                It is certainly reasonable to assume that not every witness will see every suspect. So, for the sake of argument, lets suppose that there was a third, T-shirt wearing bomb thrower, and see how well the witnesses' statements support this. Please note we will not be counting the failure to notice a suspect as an anomaly. This could easily be accounted for by a bad angle, or by the witness focusing on the more immediate threat rather than surveying the scene carefully.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Tony Doty(877)
                A fair number of eyewitnesses say they were at the bottom of the stairs being shot at by gunmen at the top. Doty's interview is unique: he says he's at the top of the stairs being shot at by a gunman at the bottom!
                "....he walked to the northwest side of the building to the top of the stairs, just outside the library.... He then saw "a male in a white T-shirt and blue jeans holding a hand gun walk from a corner near the cafeteria... He stated when this person walked around the corner, he fired a handgun at him, and he heard a bullet "whiz" by his head....... He stated this person was at the bottom of the stairs while he was on top, and there was about 20 yards in distance between them. He informed me he was walking DOWN towards the lunch area to meet Richard Casadilo (sic) and Rachel Scott for lunch when the incident started."

                he didn't notice Scott and Castaldo just yards from him when he was at the top of the stairs!! But if he had a lunch date with Castaldo and Scott, wouldn't he have known where to find them? Nor did he see any other victim, either at the top of the stairs or at the bottom. A most perplexing interview!

                Brain Anderson(184)
                He's walking out of the west doors. Sees two shooters at the top of the stairs-one shooting down and the other reloading. But does not see Castaldo or Scott between himself and the shooters.

                --In/Near the Library?

                Conservative News Service, 26 April 1999(www.conservative news.net)
                "Another pupil known to be a committed Christian, Rachel Scott, 17, was also shot dead in the library."

                William Beck, MSNBC(9837)
                "He said that he saw a shooter in the hallway before the shooting started."

                Seth Dubois(EP21-123)
                "Seth told Katherine(Carlstadt) that Robert Perry was seen shooting a girl in the back while leaving the library."(may have meant while exiting north library emergency exit door)

                The Guardian Unlimited(British newspaper) of 4-25-99 says Rachel Scott was in the library when she was shot.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                --Evidence log on page9945 of the 11K:
                "Evidence video tape from north portion of Administration offices"

                Brooks Brown also mentioned at least one camera in the main office.

                This is important. Officially, the two gunmen briefly entered the main office area on the east side of the school at approximately 11:53 AM and left three minutes later, after spraying it with bullets.

                "Law Enforcement officers on the east side of the school reported noises and shots coming from the school's northeast side at 11:53."(FR)

                Here's some other witness reports about a shooter in or near the admin offices:

                --Tony Martinez(7533) on the east side sees muzzle flashes from the main office and felt the shots whiz overhead.

                --Elizabeth McWilliams(1519) hears gunshots from the main door at 11:45, and more shots from the admin office area.

                --Michael Bierman's(6135) friend Katie IDs a third shooter (Redacted) in Admin Office "shooting out the windows."

                --Paige Allison(1743) sees two wounded in front office(in the first interview, at least)

                --Syd Keating(5710) saw the gunmen enter the school via the east front entrance and start firing weapons.

                --Susan White(5825) says the suspects entered the office area around 11:40-11:45am

                I think the real reason they didn't release the admin video tapes is that it shows shooters who are not Harris or Klebold.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Columbine--What Went Wrong" is an obscure video produced by the Eagle Forum in Colorado and narrated by Jayne Schindler.

                There are some interesting revelations:

                --In the 1980s, Jefferson County had nation's top teen suicide rate.

                --Columbine was one of the first schools to have experimental education, such as death ed. Death Education began in 1984, since then the teen suicide rate has tripled.

                --Harris wrote his last will in English class as part of class assignment. He was obsessed with military stuff.

                --Columbine psychology class had dream analysis session.(teacher Tom Johnson)

                --The senior play was "Go Ask Alice" and Klebold did the lighting.

                --Gunshot victim Mark Taylor says it took police a half-hour to get to the scene. Said police claims of arriving within minutes was wrong.

                He also states that he saw 5-6 TCMers goose step into the cafeteria with a big black duffel bag a week before 4-20.

                He describes how his 'teen living' class had a 'sexpert' come in to lecture class about good sex.

                --A memorial photograph of a CHS suicide victim called Ben Kuhn is shown. Schindler says he was the second CHS student to die from hanging.(I'm assuming they meant the second student to die this way after 4-20, and assuming the first was Greg Barnes). I'm unable to confirm his death. There is no 'Ben Kuhn' in the student/staff location list or the master register index of witnesses.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Another video is entitled "An American Tragedy--The Columbine Massacre."

                It contains CNN footage documenting explosions at 2:06 PM - roughly two hours after the alleged suicides. It also contains aerial footage taken by Channel 10 at 2:38 PM - amazingly, no law enforcement vehicles visible in the parking lot.

                There is also footage of Chris Morris being led away in handcuffs by female deputy at 2:47pm.

                It's also mentioned that one week before 4-20, nearby Mesa Ridge H.S. held a live shooter drill in which police pointed guns at students. Columbine was also engaged in 'crisis' within weeks of the attack.

                It contained snippets of the video produced by Brooks Brown, Scott Fuselier and others for "video class" in 1997.

                The film featured trench-coated gunmen firing through the halls of the school before leaving as it explodes into flames. The special effects appear sophisticated. A voice over states: "It doesn't look at all like a student video."

                Brown was a close friend of Harris and Klebold and spoke to Harris shortly before the attack. Since then, he's given more interviews to the media than any other survivor. The police suspected that Brown knew more than he let on, and many students shared this belief.

                In Dec. 1998, two students overheard Brown saying "something big would happen" on 4/20, and earlier in the year he had designed an album cover that depicted Columbine High School exploding.

                Scott Fuselier is son of Dwayne Fuselier, a top FBI psychologist assigned to lead the investigation of the massacre. His brother Brian Fuselier was a witness in the cafeteria, claiming he fled "after seeing one of the bombs explode."

                Dwayne Fuselier did not recuse himself from the investigation.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                THATS IT FOLKS I AM DONE, GO READ THE 11K AND WATCH THE MOVIE THE COLUMBINE CAUSE.!!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody is reading your posts, moron. Stop spamming..

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm reading them frick you

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                some have shown interest in it, and these are all from the official police report that was published by the JCSO, not some schizo babble

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most people on /k/ weren't even born when Columbine happened, no one cares. Even people who were alive don't care anymore. No one cares about 9/11 either. Literally no one. Nothing matters.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a lie. I may not care about the stupid bullshit you listed off, but I remember Dale's death.
      When 9/11 happened, it was just a bunch of Yankees and might as well have happened in anouther country. When Dale died though, that was a man whose face I saw everyday. A man I'd seen in person before. It hurts.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My question is why has the public forgotten Audrey Hale?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no, didnt his manifesto get leaked?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only a few pages.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >his
        ???

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I thought it was a MTF for a second and thought she was a he originally, the rare FTM

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I have a hi point carbine and fired a tec 9, would say the hi point is better , but it did fall part at the rage after 60 rounds, while the tec 9 did jam once out of 60 rounds I could not hit a damn thing with it

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Where were they debunked?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Every place you didn't look dumbass

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    worst song ever

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    found thier training video
    https://archive.org/details/columbine-rampart-range-upscaled

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what happened to the rugar 14

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This fricker spamming text walls should’ve died in the shooting

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't anyone listen?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was Columbine a FBI plot?

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The library portion was Darwinism. The students had ample opportunity to set up an ambush or even throw chairs and charge as the killers were reloading their magazines and their shotguns, the latter were the main damage dealers.
    The students took it like moronic sheep.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Tec-9 kept jamming, and Harris tried firing the shotgun with one hand and ended up breaking his nose (wanted to play pretend that he was the Terminator or something, I guess).

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