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250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

LifeStraw Water Filter for Hiking and Preparedness

250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nice rough rider anon

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks, originally bought it for the memes but it honestly became one of my favorite guns to shoot. So much fun.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Well rounded and fun.

      https://i.imgur.com/UUwV0Fp.jpg

      every time I post my outdated rifle collection it kills the thread instantly

      Too big, you can't shoot them all.

      https://i.imgur.com/iDm839g.jpg

      Not pictured is my 20 inch PSA rifle. Selling the MAK90 for a luger

      We would be friends.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >stainless mini
        awesome to the max

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The rest of the pistols.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          does the grip extension on the snubbos make a big difference?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I love it. I have since put them on every revolver I have.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Now that's what Im talkin about

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >you can't shoot them all
        I will

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Very cool collection, love the vibe anon

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        can we be friends anon, I have a TS2 as well but I sent it in to CZ because the reset was fricky

        https://i.imgur.com/PT43rAv.jpg

        I don't know what I am going to get next. I do want a Model 617, but everyone I find is not the 6" version. I do need to get a dedicated 9mm can for the SP5 and M9A4.

        rails and a sight too my man, trust me. You put a dot on that fricker and it’s literally a cheat code inside of 25 yards. I mean like shooting holes through quarters repeatedly type shit. Then the binary… ugh it’s my prized weapon. Everyone loves to shoot it, gun bunnies gawk at it, it’s amazing

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Friends forever.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I like your stand, I guess the guns too

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      long rifle is long

  2. 2 years ago
    and I'll do it again

    every time I post my outdated rifle collection it kills the thread instantly

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You need to bubba at least one of those fuddrockets.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Bubba has already been here to molest some fine Axis milsurp and turn them into durr-raffles. Probably some time in the 50s.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I'll kick your dick in half bro on cap frfr ON GOD no CAP bro

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >those calicos
      Nice.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Calicos suck. Worst trade I ever made.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Mines great, maybe you didn't say your incantations right

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          lots of cool stuff actually sucks. it's the cool cost

          >literally only weird guns
          RESPECC

          thanks chief

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      and also less long bangsticks

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Fantastic collection. BTW, do you have any close-up photos of the FN pistols with the Gwen grips? I'm collecting photos of pistols with autistic sweetheart grips for a collage.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I sure do, anon

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Huge thanks bro! You're a real cool dude.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/6A6nugA.jpg

      Nice rough rider anon

      Night vision is too expensive, the post

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        NOOO YOU CANT BUY FUN OR INTERESTING GUNS!!!
        You need to spend all of your money one 1 AR-15 and le epin tactical rig for the boog!!!!! What if shit hits the fan!?!!!?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw sold my nods for more guns and ammo

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Absolute madlad

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That makes sense, guns and ammo can actually be used outside of larping

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            mainly sold them since I could only use them like 1 day of the week (saturday) with guns that had IR lasers on them, nv is pretty overatted tbh

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Cope

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Madman.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      taste

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >literally only weird guns
      RESPECC

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      A E S T H E T I C

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >absolutely bizarre
      >yet every box is ticked
      I kneel

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        In fairness, I need a larger-capacity shotgun.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Not pictured is my 20 inch PSA rifle. Selling the MAK90 for a luger

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      thats a neat forend on that mossman

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks fren. It’s a store branded from the 70s made for Montgomery Ward.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >monkey ward used to sell guns
          how far we have fallen

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Walther PDP soon

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      what size PDP? Full sized 5" is the only way

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        But i want to concealed carry it errday baby

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        4" compact because it looks the best

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      what size PDP? Full sized 5" is the only way

      But i want to concealed carry it errday baby

      4" compact because it looks the best

      Compact 5 inch looks best

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Compact 5" is tarded, the full size is barely any larger and the gun is too frickhuge for sane people to CC anyway, so a shorter grip gains you nothing.

        It's still fine, but if you buy one, you'll understand the second you insert a 18 round mag for the first time, and come to the same conclusion I did.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know what I am going to get next. I do want a Model 617, but everyone I find is not the 6" version. I do need to get a dedicated 9mm can for the SP5 and M9A4.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      nogunz Brit here but is that tan one a Glock 19 or 17? I’m trying to get a feel for the size of these pistols

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like a 17

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's a Vicker's Glock 17 Gen3. Has the superior RTF frame.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >asks about tan Glock
          >you describe the black one

          Good job I guess...

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The black one is also an RTF frame, but it's a Glock 22 with a 357 Sig barrel in it because lol40s&w.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Where did you get that camo stock for your 10/22? Did you paint it?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Painted it. I was bored one winter and had an extra wood stock so I sanded it down and decided to paint it for fun. I tried to do Danish m84 camo and it was harder than I thought. Not perfect but whatever.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Cool it looks good.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Vetterli
      >Krag
      >Ruby
      >TEC-9
      >SP-1
      >MAS-36
      >Arisaka
      >Carcano
      >C-96
      >old-ass commie-killer tear gas launcher
      BASED
      BASED
      BASED
      BASED
      BASED

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How does the MAS 36 shoot, I've always wanted one but didn't think another dead cartridge was merited, nor patient enough for a .308

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    My BRs and 45s
    Not pictured is another 6 handguns and another 15 or so long guns

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    A few of the configurations are out of date but no new firearms to add yet.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Have you replaced the cuck tube on the M4 yet?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No, but I bought a +2 extension that did the trick.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          How do you like the Mesa stock? I'm considering getting the model with the cheek riser.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty good. The Limb Saver is a worthwhile if you shoot a lot of slugs or 00 buck and it has normal sized sling loop attachments. The length of pull is shorter than the Benelli pistol grip OEM stock. The OEM stock was actually was more my size but I still I needed some 922r parts and a easy way to attach a non-Benelli sling.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I've had one on my 870 for years. It's a comfy stock if you want or need something with a short lop but it does have some minor issues. You'll want the limbsaver pad because the factory one will dry out and crumble to dust in about two years. Also the pistol grip is a single piece of rubber glued to the plastic stock, and I had to re-glue that back on at some point.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nice fishguns

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Based and spaghettipilled. How is the space war going anon ?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick does every anon here have a Steyr pistol did I miss a convention?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah the one where your mom spreads her cheeks and creams her beef lmao

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >there are more pics without a Steyr handgun than with

      Are you blind or just incapable of identifying firearms?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He’s on PrepHole, he’s already faceblind, why not with guns as well?

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you need so many assault rifle 15s? I can see one, but 3?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Have you not been following events for the last few decades? AR-15s and other good guns are probably the best investment you can make.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What events? All I have seen is innocent people being mowed down in mass by criminals and most people are are so selfish they wont accept even the most common sense gun control to protect our most vulnerable. Do you want your children growing up afraid to go to school or even a parade? You people are nuts.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Frick right off buddy. If you don’t agree with the constitution then leave. Simple as that.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            bro that bait is nearly a day old don't eat that shit

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Somewhat outdated, missing my hunting rifles/shotguns.
    Also missing Khar Thompson, MK23, MC Operator 1911, and MP5K clone.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Is that UMP a USC conversion or Omega?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Omega receiver I purchased the first week they were released.
        Put it together with HK UMP and USC parts and have never had an issue with it.
        Recently swapped out the flanged barrel for a threaded one since I have a .45 suppressor in jail at the moment for it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Dope. I thought about buying a 9mm barreled receiver from Atlantic but the cost and reports of how not great 9mm blowback is put me off. 45 seems to be unobtainium unless you shell out stupid money for it currently.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just missing that AR18 for the full Terminator loadout. (Uzi/1911 laser long slide for the club, and spas12/AR18 for the police station).

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I was originally holding out for a decent deal on a Howa or Costa Mesa production AR-180, but might just settle for a Sterling since prices just keep going up on them.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/UUwV0Fp.jpg

      every time I post my outdated rifle collection it kills the thread instantly

      https://i.imgur.com/iDm839g.jpg

      Not pictured is my 20 inch PSA rifle. Selling the MAK90 for a luger

      https://i.imgur.com/amEutzC.jpg

      why do you guys have so many guns but 0 optics? do you shoot your guns? do you have guns you use for hunting anything?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Mushroom anon. I shoot the frick out of my guns. I don’t even know how many thousands of rounds I’ve put through that SAR-1

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Somebody posts a collection of old milsurp rifles that don't have any way of mounting optics beyond Black personrigging some shitty aftermarket bubba mount
        >"wHy dOn'T yOu HaVe AnY oPtiCs?"

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >this guy cant shoot without an optic
        Dont embarress yourself anon

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I noticed this too. One thing I've gathered is a lot of people here like to have guns, but not shoot them. Totally consumers. If they actually shot their guns, especially at longer ranges, they would know how much you need a good optic on a rifle.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          you can easily shoot out to 500 on man-sized targets without an optic my man

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He doesn't own any guns so he doesn't understand

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No. Just no.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I kill deer with my shotgun. I literally always use 3 inch 00 for deer. I’ve never had a shot past 50 yards

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        99% of my guns don't have a method for adding optics, the ones that do don't get stored with the optics because it makes storage awkward

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Most of my guns don't fit optics well and I do all my hunting with iron sights.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          As God intended.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Frick that. God made humans the apex predator through our craftiness and inventiveness, not brute force.

            God intended man to hunt genetically engineered fire-breathing t-rexes with computer assisted optics and high explosive smart munitions.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Camo, I catch you posting these but never shooting them.
          Curious

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I noticed this too. One thing I've gathered is a lot of people here like to have guns, but not shoot them. Totally consumers. If they actually shot their guns, especially at longer ranges, they would know how much you need a good optic on a rifle.

        Same homosexual. Most likely a Black person.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      fuuck thats a nice collection bro

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >the only shotgun this man owns is a SPAS12
      I don't know if I should be disgusted or impressed

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ppsh is a hell of a shotgun

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I have 4 other hunting shotguns that arent pictured.
        (Rem 870, Savage O/U, Browning A5, and Beretta A400.)

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit that is a nice collection

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      80s action hero

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Fricking mirin'

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Does that .22lr STG clone scratch the itch for you? I've thought about getting one.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Bought it for shits and giggles, and to some extent I'd say yes it does.
        Fun plinker and is pretty hefty for a .22, but obviously doesn't hold a candle to the FG42, lmao.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Of course not. But as I doubt I will ever be in a position to afford an FG42 or STG 44 I figure I might as well get the cope version if it's fun.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I mean if you're just looking for a fun .22, go for it. Only ended up being like $400 for me.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Based.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Oh lawd that's based.
        >reminding me I still don't have a CAR15.
        Why do you cause me pain?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        who built that underfolder?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          CentuREEEEEE.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Question: why does every rifle have a sling? Those are QD slings right? Why not have like 2 or 3 slings for whatever purpose and then switch them out if you’re gonna use it?

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    0/10 bait

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    At one point I owned 12 guns, ranging from a $59.99 nugget to a circa 2009 tacticool as hell AR-15 with a KAC quad-rail and all the finest Magpul accessories. What remains get shot at least bi-monthly.

    Next buy will be a suppressed Ruger Mk. IV for 0 practical reasons.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Really want some surplus guns.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You can still unfrick that Enfield.
      Yugo Mauser's and Swiss guns aren't too horribly expensive yet. That's about it though.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Busted the 100 mark

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      One...one hundred s-stamps?
      What the frick do you do for work anon?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        5 cent blowjobs

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Holy fricking shit

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      my lord, anon
      >Jimmies? RUSTLED
      >U Jelly? status: JELLY

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Family is the strongest thing in the whole wide world!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Your house is number 1 on the list of people to raid first

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      is that a bruin? very noice.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Its a kodiak brudder

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Still very noice

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Based fellow ww1 model springfeild

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Battle computer springfields are the best looking brudder

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >all these steyr pistols
    you guys are alright

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wot coating/color is the top gun?

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Pls. Rate

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I find the new Steyr design a little busy for my taste.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        least favorite of em. dont really like poly striker fires tho.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      if you insist on using that rug as a background, i would line the arrange the guns diagonal to the black and white lines so theyre easier to see

  23. 2 years ago
    Resident Wumbologist

    Forgot the Tokarevs.
    Attempt #3

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know how you can possibly own that many guns without having at least one that's actually good.

      I'm also pretty sure half of that is airshit. This collection is more pathetic than a complete nogunz.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Different anon here, what do you consider a good gun? I would be very interested in the M1s.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    CA bros, SCOTUS will free us from this featureless bullshit soon

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >copium

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      praying for u anon

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Assuming SC shutsdown all the compliance bs. I wonder if those weird braces and other bullshit will be collectible. I assume everyone would get rid of them immediately and then like 20yrs later people get them for how weird they are

      • 2 years ago
        Resident Wumbologist

        It's reversible in many cases. If somebody wants my unused kydex fin grips 30 years from now and is willing to pay money for them I wouldn't care enough to say no.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >buy like 8 guns this year
      >haven't gone shooting at all
      and the year is more than halfway done, not pictured is Beretta and the .50cal

      I want to be free too. Prebans are nice but it'd be great if I didn't have to dance around vague enforcement orders or pay out the ass for a nice AR

      [...]
      [...]
      [...]
      why do you guys have so many guns but 0 optics? do you shoot your guns? do you have guns you use for hunting anything?

      I've got a repro retro scope for my AR but I think I lost the screw for it and an eotech red dot sitting somewhere. I don't have a chance to shoot beyond about 50m at my local range and don't hunt so I'm not in a huge hurry for one.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Dubs, I'm getting Ghost Recon 1 vibes from the ARs

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Feds are going to come for you guys. You don't need all that.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Cope

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      But anon, we are all feds

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      moron

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I would collect German Sig P Series if I didn’t keep building AR’s. I am an admitted magazine hoarder.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      now that's what I call a magazine subscription

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing about NVG in the sticky. What's that market look like these days? Reccs?

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Based based rater

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    how do u guys have so much money? all i have is a hi point and a bersa thunder

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I make about $4,400 per pay period (two weeks) after taxes and withholding. It’s simple. Go to college, go into finance and accounting, actually put in some effort to graduate in the top 25% of your class and get a job as a first year analyst.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Actually good advice. Frick your "passion", find about what makes bank without killing you and stack cash or retire early and then have fun with your "frick you money".

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I just drive truck locally. Home every night with my boys, weekends off, mad bennies , ~3800$ a pay period after taxes, investments and health insurance for the kiddos. In reality it’s closer to finance anon above me. It’s enough to feed my gun habit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's called get the frick out of retail by any means necessary
      I make 40k a year before deductions and it is significantly better than working a shitty part time retail job
      Also if you are a college student you should take advantage of fasfa refunds

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Next is probably an FAL

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    My AR finally has a manga panel mag like my AK

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Outdated, missing like 10 or so that are still at my parents place, plus a couple more I've gotten since taking it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Thats a....and a.....Where the hell did you find...

      Based lucky bastard of a smorgasboard poster.

      Firstly, is that a madsen?

      Secondly, how long have you had the svt40, It's one i've been looking for for about 10 years now, just can't find any that they don't want 2k+ for, and I'd rather not deal with boomers on gunbroken.

      Thirdly, I will forever kick myself in the ass for not buying the hakim and nagant revolver as a package deal at a yard sale for 500 bucks.

      I don't really have a "Family photo" of all of my guns, but this is about the best i have currently...Probably need to update that...

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Firstly, is that a madsen?
        yes it is
        >Secondly, how long have you had the svt40,
        about 3 years or so. I got lucky and found it Buy Now on Gunbroker for $1200.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Why are svt40 so expensive in the USA?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            most russian firearms are expensive after obongo

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What’s that fat boi up there at the top

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Madsen 1902 Machine Gun

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Only the one gun in the collection for now, used to have a norinco sks but traded it for the Ruger in the pic. Looks ugly but works as a hd gun. Wouldn't recommend .22 for it but stingers outta a 16in barrel is probably the smallest you can get away with. The Norinco shot ~8moa and nearly made me give up on shooting entirely cuz I thought I was so bad. I'm picking up an AUG next week, there's the magazines in bottom right of the drawer there, will update it the threads still up

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't have gun. I have police wich protect me

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I have sand wich

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Bleh

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Cool shotties anon. I love those older surefire forends and pachmayr presentation grips.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I was going for the 90s look

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You succeeded. Is that 870 new enough that you had to drill out the dimples in the magazine tube for the Wilson extension like I did?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Don't need to, it's a surplus wingmaster

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Oh you're talking about the one in the middle. Also a surplus police magnum so no

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I was going to larp with it as VBSS also

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    just got the telescoping stock and 922r forend installed on the Benelli. 7 round tube in my possession. 922r trigger parts here next tuesday. also currently day 367 of waiting for my first suppressor.
    fellow poorgays ITT, you too can enjoy nice things with delayed gratification.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >922r

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        yes, it is the most moronic gun law I've yet encountered. but at least it means I get to tinker around with, and thereby better understand, the M4. its like, if im gonna drop 600 bucks for a stock and get a heat gun to bust off the 5 round tube may as well go full moron and put in an aftermarket trigger

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >go through entire thread
    >only one person has a fiddy

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Outdated, missing CETME L a CZ 452 and a few assorted sidelocks

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I enjoy firearms

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      you should make some blade runner grips for the meatball too

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