So, Ukraine managed to drive the Russians out of Snek Island via incessant shelling with long range artillery. An island cannot be defended for long against sustained bombardment.
All well and good... But this also means China can do the same with Taiwan too.
No, they cannot.
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Sure, Taiwan is a bit bigger than Snek Island, but China also has 100,000 times the firepower than Taiwan as well.
Why?
It's not "a bit bigger", you just have no sense of scale
This thing has 300km range.
How many do they have?
How many will actually work on launch?
How much do they cost?
How cost-effective is it compared to artillery?
China has three dedicated artillery divisions armed with long range MRLS. Yes, artillery divisions and not divisional artillery. An entire division of 15,000 men dedicated to the operation of these long range launchers, all deployed near Taiwan.
The only argument that may be sensible. Heavy rocket arty is more expensive.
Correction;
>Main forces included about 35 group armies, comprising 118 infantry divisions, 13 armored divisions, and 33 artillery and antiaircraft artillery divisions, plus 71 independent regiments and 21 independent battalions of mostly support troops.[4] Regional forces consisted of 73 divisions of border defense and garrison troops plus 140 independent regiments.
33 artillery divisions, not 3.
Buddy not all artillery units are going to be missile based, on top of that that mixes their air defense units with their artillery as well further muddying the numbers
>Heavy rocket arty is more expensive.
Right. The benefit of artillery is that when it comes down to it, it is nothing more than a bunch of explosive material stuffed in a steel tube. You can make those all day and it will cost about as much as a desk fan each time you fire.
Guided MLRS will never be that cheap. It is effective for single, known targets from long range. When you need to saturate multiple targets across an entire island the size of Taiwan you would be insane to consider it.
That's not artillery, and is an order of magnitude more expensive per firing.
Now matter how cheap chinesium is, it's still wildly too expensive to use the same way against Taiwan.
Pure vatnik cope
Also likely 300 times as expensive as a howitzer shell
>missiles
bruh
Why are you launching artillery from there, lad?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinmen
>firing 152mm SPGs a flat island a few miles off the coast that can be traversed on foot in 10 minutes is the same thing as firing at a heavily mountainous island 175 miles away
chankoro moronation rears its ugly head again
MRLS bombardment 24/7 against all vital infrastructure while maintaining a naval blockade will break Taiwan just as fast as the Russians on Snek.
The range of the PHL-16 related.
Let's be real, in case of war, it won't be a conflict between Chinese commies with nationalists hiding in Taipei. It will be war against TSMC the biggest and most advanced semi-conductor manufacturer in the world.
The First corporate war unironically.
Commies and nationalists wouldnt be fighting any war at this rate. The KMT old guard is pro unification, just as the ROC army generals are sympathetic with a negotiated solution. In the end, it is the DPP who are trying to larp as Azov.
Kao An Guo/Gao Anguo isnt the only retired general (who still have influence in the army) who is pro-unification, General Xu Linong is another such figure.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXO9uG3RDtG-Fc6BU4tJRTg/community?lb=Ugkxj1fSUBiTRJzkWauzL0N_ltssnwwjdH80
Problem is that Chinese commies can censor their own media, and silence their own population, but Taiwan already saw the "normalization" of Hong Kong, and they don't want to share its fate.
Who gives a frick what traitors want
Who gives a frick that Xi wants to rule over Taiwan
1.4 billion screaming Chinamen and their nuclear triad
As orange man once said, the US has a nuclear button too and it is much bigger and more powerful... and works!
>Traitors
The current illegitimate of West Taiwan will collapse like a house of cards anyway
I thought your point was that Taiwan wanted or could be scared into reunification? When people are enjoying a free, first world lifestyle, they will fight tooth and nail to fend off people that want to return them to abject slavery.
>implying the CIA wouldn't help them have accidents if they go "too pro-unification"
do they not worry about killing a golden goose ?
Which is why this theoretical invasion will never happen.
If the golden goose refuses to lay eggs for them, they dont have a choice.
TSMC is already beginning to abide to US sanctions and it is only a question of whether or not the DPP wants to die when they begin to ban the sale of the newest chips to China. If that happens, there's literally no other choice but to attack Taiwan and at least ensure that if China doesnt get the newest chips, nobody gets any.
>for them
But not for other countries in the world.
Chinese crap is possible to replace not without losses. But TSMC is holder of civilization level technologies.
Yes and if TSMC stops supplying China because they abide to US tech bans, China will attack TSMC and make sure nobody gets any chips.
It's literally a do or die situation for China and they wont care about the price they have to pay.
>do or die situation for China
The same for American & European Big tech.
>if your enemy will not sell you computer chips, fire a huge salvo of missiles at their factories producing computer chips until they sell you the chips they can no longer produce because you fired missiles at their factories
-Sun Tzu
There is the choice of not getting slaughtered in response. Ukraine is the entire world away, more in the EU's sphere of influence than NATO's, and certainly more a NATO concern if anything than a purely American one. Fricking around in an ocean chock-full of American military bases squarely in America's sphere of influence means you're facing America directly. If China doesn't do this now, while Biden is in office, it would take a literal civil war here for them to have a chance.
And how many non-mockup, fully-functional PHL-16s does China have?
~32
so they can just drop any stupid amphibious landing? they'll look at how artillery btfos ukrainian positions, gather couple hundred mlrs systems near the coast and just send rockets day and night until taiwan surrenders?
Except Taiwan can send rockets back.
Not as many as China can, and China can disperse their launchers much better than Taiwan can
The terrain works in Taiwan's favor heavily.
China needs to defeat Taiwon quickly before the US can organize a response. This without coming into direct conflict with the US (somehow).
>maintaining a naval blockade in the US' favorite ocean
The PLAN will be gently escorted home and given a firm talking-to by the USN. Does Xi want to be the one that fired a shot at a USN ship? Because I'm willing to bet money a guy who got butthurt over being compared to a cartoon bear is too much of a pussy to do it.
It was 155mm L/52 artillery. Their normal 152mm didn't shoot far enough.
China will need to take Taiwan intact if they want any of those valuable chip factories, heavy bombardment is not an option.
this China isn't doing shit to jeopardize those factories
Snek island is smal (0,17 km2)
Chink island is big (35 801 km2)
Ukraine vs Taiwan (snake Island too small to be on the map)
the habitable parts are only the size of a few ukrainian cities tho.
China would have no problem if the Taiwanese government and remnants of its armed forces are hiding in the central mountains and stop being a threat to the landing force. If you visited Taiwan, you'd know that blowing a few mountain roads will prevent anyone from climbing Alishan - or ever leaving it alive.
>the habitable parts are only the size of a few ukrainian cities tho.
Which are also the parts that China would want to take intact.
>wumao can't into math, thread 999 and counting
No kind of rocket arty has enough range to reach Taiwan from China.
>inb4 missiles
Missiles are literally thousands of times more expensive than arty for the same warhead weight: not even America can throw them around that freely.
>inb4 muh quantum hypersonic rocket artillery
>No kind of rocket arty has enough range to reach Taiwan from China.
Their 370mm MRLS does.
>370mm
>mlrs
Funny joke
China has an actual air force though so I imagine they would just drop bombs/missiles from the air rather than try and land artillery on the island.
Just dropping this here tho.
This post convinced me that china is not pathetic, but is very strong.
very big penis too
Going underground kills the artillery/drone/missile
underground isnt helping the Ukrainians so much vs the Russian artillery and thermobarics tho.
How long did it take to shell azov out of that steel plant? Oh yeah it didn't work
Looks like we need to bring back nuclear howitzers
it has been long reported that China is testing some sort of supergun.
>China makes a move at Taiwan
>West sanctions all chinese shit
>Factories in China stop
>No work = no $ = no food
>China descends into civil war and famine in the span of 6 months
Yeah, no.
yeah just like how russia collapsed
I mean...the Russian invasion of Ukraine is failing so maybe they aren't the best example to follow.
>the Russian invasion of Ukraine is failing
lol
Yes, that's what getting pushed out of the country you invaded is called.
>yeah just like how russia collapsed
Patience, grasshoper.
Lol, nobody will care. Ukraine`s lesson taught everyone. 8 years of appeasement after Crimea takover, turned into the biggest continental war since WW2.
The west is anything but dumb enough to make such a stupid mistake.
>>The west is anything but dumb enough to make such a stupid mistake.
They dont get to chose.
China's market is the only one that is still growing and consuming western luxury goods and services. Many multinationals literally cant survive without the Chinese market. And you know who is funding your politicians.
>western luxury goods and services
>comparing the revenue of those companies to companies dependent on Tiwanese electronics
Not even taiwanese electronics anymore since they are msotly produced in China.
And nope, the revenue these companies make are in China. If they cant sell to the Chinese 500M strong middle class consumer market, they dont need billions of 7nm chips for their iphones anymore.
>Not even taiwanese electronics anymore since they are msotly produced in China.
Can you tell me what factory located in mainland China produces chips in 10nm or lower lithography?
SMIC, with TSMC cooperation, has a fab in Shenzhen that produces both 8 and 14nm wafers
Are you sure they make shit in 8 and 14?
Last time i checked they where only making 24nm or bigger.
No they don't you lying homosexual.
Have you ever seen The Dark Knight Rises? You know, there's a really good scene in it that explains why China always loses. This guy, he gives all kinds of money in payment to this big guy named Bane, and what he doesn't realize is that Bane spent it as he pleased and has zero loyalty to the scumbag funding him, so the moment it's convenient he screws him over. Paying someone stronger than you gives you zero control over them, it just fends them off from exercising force on you, and the moment those payments aren't enough they will exercise force upon you as they see fit.
China would be Bane in your example
>6 months
Still over a month to go
Not be fair to Russhits, they are net exporters of food, energy and fertilizer. China is the worlds largest importer of all three.
No, because Russia has food and oil, China does not.
>they can ship it from Russia by rail
They’re already beyond max rail capacity shipping oil and it’s nowhere near enough. China needs a constant flow of gigantic ships every day. A couple of destroys in a single straight and they’re fricked. China is EXTREMELY precarious, it boggles the mind how much shit they talk.
It's failing but Russia has food and oil. China is a big importer when it comes to energy and food.
low chance of it working, or any nation even trying to sanction China.
the entire german economy is dependent on chinese consumers buying their cars, south america dependent on chinese orders for their based beans, japan dependent on chinese food-stuffs (yes, this is true google it) and the rest of the world's manufacturing is dependent on Chinese supplied critical components.
If sanctioning Russia will lead to a harsh winter for the West, sanctioning China will literally lead to the economic deaths of those same nations.
>shows muh main import source because theyre dependent on foreign resoruces
>doesnt show where china exports to and whose markets theyre dependent on
kek
>the entire german economy is dependent on chinese consumers buying their cars,
Majority of exports do not go to china
>south america dependent on chinese orders for their based beans
Not relevant.
>japan dependent on chinese food-stuff
China is not the only country that exports food.
They'd be eating each other in 12 hrs. Screencap this.
unlikely.
Chinese imports of french blue cheese and animal feed doesnt translate into a lack of self sufficiency in grains. China just has to ration meat consumption for anyone aside of critical industry and army and they can live off what they have themselves for years. And that's without counting in Russia's grain supply.
If you ration pork consumption there will be a civil war.
this a moron, china produces most of the world shit you cant sanction them for shit lmao.
Oh no, my happy meal toys, whatever will I do without them? All important shit is made in countries the US can rely on, like itself, because the Chinese notoriously can do nothing right.
1 missile to the Three Gorges Dam and China is looking at the biggest crisis its ever faced in its history.
Do you even know what a gravity dam is? You wont be able to shake it with even a hundred missiles.
What are you, from the 1920's? We've been able to crack concrete for a century now.
A gravity dam isnt just a wall of concrete. It's an artificial mountain stuck deep in the rockbed. The small wall you see above water is just literally the tip and if you break that part, nothing will happen because enough water has been released before to ensure that the unbreakable part is enough to hold back the water.
>It's an artificial mountain stuck deep in the rockbed
And we can already blow the frick out of mountains so that's no issue.
these were shitty dams by nowadays standards and incomparable with gravity dams
The Mohne dam was a gravity dam.
And we wouldn't be attacking it with a weapon developed in someone's back garden and targeted using a coathanger this time.
Yes, your bomb will blast a structure of 27 billion tons of concrete and rock.
The dam is also located in the middle of Southern China, thousands of miles away from any border, and protected by layers of missiles and fighters so have fun even getting here if you cant even blast a bridge in Crimea.
You only need to hit one area to undermine the damn and cause it to roll. China is the world's leading expert in dam disasters, so it comes naturally to them. Honestly a couple of b-2s and b-21s with full loads of deep penetration bombs could probably blast a slit into the face, then it's all over.
you overestimate the power of your bombs.
That MOAB attack on the taliban underground tunnels that Trump did back then also didnt cause any significant damage.
And you underestimate the unique vulnerabilities of dams that, to return to the above, Barnes Wallis figured out with a sliderule and a pencil 80 years ago. Nothing has changed.
Read yourself, Taiwan found out in 2004 alraedy that a dam strike would not work nor produce the desired effect.
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2004/06/16/2003175282
Also, PLA army ground poised for an attack on Taiwan are nowhere near the dam or its potential flooding area. So what will any strike even hope to accomplish? Ukraine isnt surrendering when they lose tens of thousands of people in this war and 20% of their country, China hasnt surrendered to the Japanese back when they lost 27 million people and also flooded Henan Province by blowing their own dam, and Russia never surrendered to Hitler despite losing half of all able bodied men.
You literally cant win against a determined enemy.
>Taiwan found out in 2004 alraedy that a dam strike would not work nor produce the desired effect.
F-16s and small bombs aren't comparable to a Tomahawk or JASSM salvo, let alone a Trident II.
Tomahawk and JASSM literally have less payload than a F-16 could drop. And if you want to launch nukes at the dam, you might want to look out for yellowstone as well. Heard that China still has a few of their earliest multi-megaton (10+) thermonuclear devices prepared for striking targets in enemy territory that might cause world-ending effects.
>Tomahawk and JASSM literally have less payload than a F-16 could drop
What is a 'salvo', Alex?
>China still has a few of their earliest multi-megaton (10+) thermonuclear devices prepared for striking targets in enemy territory that might cause world-ending effects
with what delivery method? Are they going to try and fly an ancient H-6 directly over the continental US? Will they send one of their Type 094 SSBNs, which are somehow louder than Soviet Delta IIIs from the 1970s despite China having forty years of newer tech to copy? Will they send one of their 350 liquid-fueled ICBMs which will get swatted out of the sky by THAAD or an SM-3 before it even leaves Chinese airspace? Tell me, how are they going to get a frick-huge 10 Mt warhead to Yellowstone?
>image uploaded isn't even one I have saved to my computer
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
>buy an airbus
>strip everything out
>fake chong student passenger manifest
>engineer flight path over yellowstone
>hold crew & pilot families hostage
Your acid swamp vorrucano is eaaasy target for grorious Qingese weapon, amelican.
>intercepted before it gets anywhere close
You realize America owns the sky, right?
Pickup truck across sonora
Those were all defensive. The Chinese don't seem all that determined tbh.
>You literally cant win against a determined enemy.
Which Taiwan would be the determined one in this scenario.
The article says no such thing.
We have no idea if China is a "determined enemy". Its a very strange and frequently anarchic country that has eradicated its own martial tradition and culture and replaced it with a brittle nationalism that brooks no criticism.
We have no idea what China can sustain when ships start burning. Do the zealots even understand war would bring such risks?
A lot of people seem to confuse authoritarianism with conditions on the ground. There is a good reason the party is sufficiently scared of its own people to need to try to control them that never gets factored in. They are restive enough when growth isn't high enough.
>Taiwan found out in 2004 alraedy that a dam strike would not work nor produce the desired effect.
Or perhaps they are publicly saying that, because they know that the Chinese view an attack on the dam as a nuclear first strike. Of course under these circumstances you'd say "we'd never do this, this wouldn't even work".
>So what will any strike even hope to accomplish?
Destroying 3 major cities is surely going to have an impact on China.
>Ukraine isnt surrendering when they lose tens of thousands of people in this war and 20% of their country, China hasnt surrendered to the Japanese back when they lost 27 million people and also flooded Henan Province by blowing their own dam, and Russia never surrendered to Hitler despite losing half of all able bodied men.
Notice what all three of those have in common? They had US backing at the time.
Its made in China though, its probably 50% old mattresses and painted bits of plastic and wood. At some point I'm sure it will collapse of its own accord.
And I don't think Ukraine would fight China on its own with Soviet-era weapons.
state led projects are usually not like this.
China is evidence that it needs authoritarian communist control to function. If you give Chinese freedom, they'd use it to cheat. They only work well if you put a commissar with a gun next to each worker and engineer, and the Three Gorges Dam had a lot of political officers on site.
No need, just hit the rock around the side of the dam.
When that gets taken out, the water will do the rest
Missiles are gay. Preferred method of destroying TGD is seal/other combat diver deploying a SADM at the base of the wetside of the dam. This would insure damn collapse and hide the radioactive output of the device. It would literally be unidentifiable from say a methane explosion
>China is looking at the biggest crisis its ever faced in its history.
Not just China, if the dam breaks humanity is looking at the biggest crisis ever faced in history.
It is quite literally an unimaginable disaster.
PICTURE IT!
I find it impossible to speculate about China. The problem is that they have absolutely no institutional knowledge in their armed forces. No practice and the utter elimination of the relevant tradition.
I've been reading a lot of Falklands stuff and the importance of people that remembered WW2 was massive even in 1982, just culturally really. When you start losing ships and aircraft, there are deep things going on then with people in terms of understanding it and retaining the will to fight. We only stayed in because the cabinet, unusually stocked with war heroes at the time, could keep telling Thatcher sailors understood and accepted that warships sometimes burned and sank.
A blind zealous nationalism like the Chinese have is far too brittle to rely on past the first bloody nose IMHO.
This is a very stupid post by a very stupid person.
>China could easily invade Taiwan which is why they've done nothing but importantly seethe at Taiwan for the last 70 years since the last time they tried to invade Taiwan and got absolutely assraped
>in a global crisis, everyone will immediately take China's side, including its own immediate neighbors that it constantly has deadly border conflicts with and casually threatens to nuke, because they just will
>China has become a superpower in its "peaceful rise" by giving everyone else in the world confidence that it will be a rational actor, and everyone will continue to hold this confidence forever after they start invading neighboring countries
Part of me genuinely worries Xi really is this fricking arrogant and stupid, in a way that Deng, Jiang and Hu certainly weren't.
Part of me hopes he is.
Between sacking Hong Kong, the Zero COVID blockade, and declaring himself president for life, I think he's been outed as a moron already
Deng, Jiang and Hu werent faced with an US that kidnaps their national champion's CFOs and declare full on cold war on China either.
These presidents served in the honeymoon era between US and China when the USSR was the big bad, and when the cold war was over and the US still didnt take China seriously.
Xi is the right man for Cold War 2. A corrupt oligarch like Jiang (China's Yeltsin) or a lame duck like Hu who never even had power during all his time would fold and China would have ended like Lybia and Syria like 10 years ago when the US began with that so-called Jasmine Revolution in southern china.
Xi was elected because the CCP became aware that the honeymoon with the West was over when Obama announced his Pacific Pivot during Lame Duck Hu's closing years. Dont think for a moment that somebody like Xi who has shit background compared to his competitors in the CCP could ever claw his way up without the endorsement of party elders who smelled the coffee.
Xi is like Putin: An enemy the West created by pushing their rival too hard.
>Jiang (China's Yeltsin)
When Yeltsin took office, Russia's GDP was $518 billion.
When he left eight years later, Russia's GDP was $195 billion.
When Jiang took office, China's GDP was $440 billion.
When he left office 10 years later, China's GDP was $1.6 trillion.
btw this is the part where you now do some spin about how leadership doesn't matter and these winds of history would have blown regardless because I just proved you were a moron and your point was shit
Are chicoms generally generic nationalists or are they Xi simps
>Are chicoms generally generic nationalists or are they Xi simps
They have a great habit of erasing their own history so nowadays they are xi simps
>Part of me genuinely worries Xi really is this fricking arrogant and stupid, in a way that Deng, Jiang and Hu certainly weren't.
This is why Putin needs to fail hard. To send the message that aggression and adventurism doesn't pay.
Except Taiwan isn't a tiny open strip of land with nobody living there. They also have missiles to hit positions in mainland China with, along with modern US-supplied aircraft to defend the island and strike targets on the Chinese coastline. Totally different situation overall.
>Chinese artillery and fires.
>Chinese made shells don't leave the barrel.
>Round sits there and cooks.
>Bug man crew sits there looking at it.
>Entire artillery column blows up.
Time to bust out the marshmallows taiwanese people.
Gottta love the Amerimutt copium mills
>noooo Taiwan at 36,000 sqkm including the uninhabitable east cant be compared to Russia taking 27,000 sqkm Crimea, it should be compared to 604,000 sqkm Ukraine because ... you just have to pretend its a country
>noooo Taiwan cant be compared to Russia taking 27,000 sqkm Lugansk, it should be compared to 604,000 sqkm Ukraine
>noooo Taiwan cant be compared to Russia taking 27,000 sqkm Donetsk , it should be compared to 604,000 sqkm Ukraine
>nooo Ukraine shows China the worlds largest drone producer will be BTFO like Russia whos being cucked by a "humilate then evacuate" strategem of Ukrainians using Chinese drones or Turkroach drones made of Chinese parts
>nooo China cant use its stockpiles of drones against the terrorists, because .... they just cant
>noo China cant use its satellites to track every object bigger than 10cm that moves on the island 24/7, because .... they just cant
>noooo China cant use their airforce to lob even the dumbest bombs on targets on Taiwan island without even crossing the strait halfway exactly like the Russian airforce does every day
>nooooo thats rocket proppelled artillery its doesnt count as artillery so China cant use it
>nooooo China cant use their medium and short ranged rocket and rocket proppelled artillery within range of the occupied island because .... they just cant
>noooo of course the US backed terrorist can destroy 100% of Chinas navy and army with 100% accuracy by extending their completely out of range obsolete WW2 artillery with their mostly just radar and radio guided 500 Amerimutt nonreprogrammable cold war era rocket that will be lucky if even half will be ever launched, nevermind reach the destination nevermind hit even close to their target
>nooo China will collapse if the even 1 of the 500 missiles that the terrorists could theoretically launch at the mainlands coastline actually ends up being wasted on a random civilian target, because .... they just willl
What are you smoking my dude.
>noooo China cant blockade the terrorist occupied island, the terrorist will actually blockade China with its 100 times smaller military by hiding the entire terrorist rocket force on small strips of steep deadly cliffs on the Eastern side of Taiwan connected to the world with just 1-2 well known small mountain passes
>nooooo China liberating its island from US backed terrorist occupying it, will be seen as China being exactly as bad as the US regime invading other countries and all the countries that hate America will suddenly think the same about China and stop siding with China against the US regimes cringe and retarted act that Taiwan is not a province of China
>nooo of course the terrorist weapons work unlike Chinas because they are Made in Muttland, the museum pieces just explode and crash every week because they train and report it so much because Amerimutt state propaganda says their state controlled propaganda is free press
>noo the fact that the population of Taiwan oblast relies for nearly all of its basic necessities on imports from the Chinese mainland or imports passing along the coast of Chinas mainland doesnt give China any leverage against the terrorists, in fact its the terrorists who controll China
>nooo we Amerimutts can just stop buying 10% of Chinas exports, exactly how we claimed but didnt actually do with Russia and just continued buying Russias oil and gas and exactly how we tried in the trade war against China we lost and just memoryholed and lied about. That will destroy 100% of Chinas economy that has hasnt been "relying" on our Amerimutt trade for two decades.
>nooo we Amerimutts can just stop paying subsidies to convince China to take our crap soi to feed their pigs instead of Russian and South American grain. That will destroy 100% of the food supply of one of the biggest regional food export markets in Asia.
>nooo you see we can replace trade with the world largest factory by writing headlines and news articles about companies leaving China that dont produce or change anything! We merely failed the first few decades we actually tried, but they cant replace our soi to feed their pigs with Russian corn baskets China hasnt even tapped yet because we literally pay them not to with subsidies !!!!!
>nooo the terrorist can just fly deep into Chinas airspace with their obsolete nonstealth aircraft, bypass miles of layerd airdefense when they cant even maintain airsuperiority over the strait and then detonate an anti matter bomb on China defying the laws of physics ending the war because that how it works in Call of Duty
>nooo unlike the Luhansk and Donestk oblast that literally border Russia, the terrorists obsolete tiny airforce of constantly crashing F16s are in range of China and they will definitely not be shot down in the hangars lined up all along the coast like a shooting range.
>nooooooo none of the Chinese civilians and conscripts in Taiwan who hate the US installed terrorist group that holds the island hostage and openly side with China will side with China against the US backed terrorists, because Amerimutts state propaganda says China bad!
Why not just have a regular degree of mental illness instead of this catastrophic word salad shitpile
How did you manage to type so much without a single argument in there? Either way, that's an impressive amount of salt.
台湾是一个国家
钓鱼岛是日本的
西沙群岛是越南的
南沙群岛以及黄岩岛都是菲律宾的
藏南是印度的
长白山是韩国的
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>Formosans hint they can strike the 3 Gorges and Beijing with conventional arms alone
They'll kite along with gay antics in hopes of 'asymmetric' capitulation over in North America, but Mao's dictum remains true to this day, and by those two factors alone Taiwan will only ever be blockaded (after the US neutralized) or SSBN nuked as a Mad Dog display of force when and if the internal viability of the CCP is on the brink of being cannibalized by their own population (most likely under Xi, less othewise).
HAHAHAHAH. HOLY SHIT. CHINK COPE IS HIGH.
Sigh. TSMC makes bleeding edge chips because they’re the only ones currently who have successfully implemented ASML extreme ultraviolet lithograph machines. Samsung and Intel will be starting commercial production soon on their ASML machines. ASML is the world’s only builder of EUV machines. As they are a European company the EU’s chip manufacturing project will have a leg up.
In any case, even if China took TSMC they’d never be able to operate the high end fabs. Even if they could corruption would probably destroy its productivity and soon leave them behind other EUV fabs.
>ASML is the world’s only builder of EUV machines.
wast there also a Japanese company that exists purely to make sure asml wont become total monopolists
>China can do the same with Taiwan too.
So can Taiwan.
Look up the width of the Taiwan strait.
We should just give Taiwan so many missiles that a war with China would see its entire coastline destroyed.
the US has already threatened to simply Detonate the Chip-manufacturing plants in Taiwan if China invades.
The US's cuck-plan of 'Taiwanese-suicide' has to be countered, before any military action like taking beacheads on the island
https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/05/taiwan_should_destory_tsmc_paper/
China wont do anything, since the USA has a defense pact with China.
They have been doing it, moron. Do you shitheads have no respect for human life?
The whole point of wanting Taiwan is it's massive microtech industry
If they were to bomb the frick out of Taiwan they would likely destroy all of the fabrication
A logical person would keep all that in mind and keep the peace because of it.
Xi is not a logical person.
morons
> The whole point of wanting Taiwan is it's massive microtech industry
No, even if they captured it intact they wouldn’t know how to use any of it. And if they did they’d just build their own high tech fab industry. The reason they want Taiwan is simply that it is an affront to their dreams of One China, and allows their populace to believe they can be defied.
Black person, taiwan is 100 miles away
snake island was 34 miles away
They would have to use fricking missile systems and those aren't cheap even if you use the crappiest materials and labor available to you.
snake island is size of my vegetable patch, Taiwan is size of a country