Based. The PLAN destroyer/cruiser fleet will grow larger, stronger and always a step ahead of the USN
>On June 13, a big Weibo guy has quietly released a message on Weibo, revealing for the first time that in the "14th Five-Year Plan" released by the PLAN, the plan for the continued construction of the 055, 052DL, 054 series has been changed, and this news has also received the headlines of another big Weibo guy.
>I have a bad news and a good news.
>Bad news: 055, at least the second batch of the current model 055 is likely to have been paused/suspended.
Good news: The pause/suspension is to build a more powerful new one (ship).
>Second Weibo Guy Post -
>The first bacth of 8 055 is already in position (in service), wait until the USN's Flight 3 Arleigh Burke to catch up, once our (PLAN) has introduced the improved 055, the Flight 3 Burke woula again be behind one generation than us. Now that's fun.
>According to the big Weibo guy, due to the changing international situation, particularly that of the sitation in the Asia-Pacific being too rapid, therefore many details in the "14th Five-Year Plan" previously being formulated by the PLAN would experience some changes. Among these, the most important change would be the cancellation of the construction of the 2nd batch of 055 after the first batch of 055 has been commissioned, in order to build an "even stronger warship (type)" with a combined combat power that is even stronger than 055.
Pic unrelated, as even the 055 which is superior to the Burke IIA and Burke III is already old news for the PLAN.
Dont believe me? I dont care. Just here to leak something that will make American Def Officials seeth in the years to come, as I did in the previous years leaking stuff about them hypersonics, nuke buildup, PLAN mass production, Taiwan invasion prep etc.
Thanks for the hot take from Fong Kong twitter.
this thread has convinced me that china is not pathetic, but is very modern and strong
Implessive
stop repeating my stolen line you Black person
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SUPER warships.
Some CG artist is thinking about a Chinese version of the Zumwalt, but I disagree. I guess it will use the same 055 hull, but even heavier. The railgun is a nice touch tho.
>Even in Chang's wildest dreams, where anything is possible, he is nothing more than an American
Lol
Lmao
And the artist was being bashed for that. The Zumwalt might look high tech, but it was cancelled for a reason. No need for China to follow such a failed design.
China has a decisive anti-ship advantage in the form of the YJ-21 hypersonic ship launched ballistic missile already.
Didn't ask. Dont care.
SM-3 was developed (joint program with Japan) specifically to defeat hypersonic threats. It's up to Block IIA standard.
Yes, and Chyna is likely very happy to know that the USN and JMSDF has to assign most of their VLS cells to huge single-role SM-3s instead of multi-role SM-6s or SM-2s.
That way, when the Aegis ships are busy doing ballistic missile defense, their slow blades (aka. YJ-18s and YJ-12s) will be able to penetrate the shield.
>That way, when the Aegis ships are busy doing ballistic missile defense
It's like you know nothing of Aegis.
Yes, of course AEGIS will be able to deal with all the shit together, but fact is that a cell that has SM-3 cant carry an SM-6 or 4 ESSMs.
And SM-3 cant intercept missiles below the stratosphere.
Also, as long as the US still relies on the SPG-62 mechanically steered FCR, their guidance channels for air-defense terminal illumination will always be limited.
>Every destroyer will have the same missile stack
>Every destroyer will maintain a formation that will limit their sensor bubbles
Any other hottakes?
Probably some more cope about "muh DF-17" or "muh DF-21Ds" or "the Three Gorges Dam isn't going to get pasted on day one of a conflict and wipe out half the hive"
2x SM-3 per one DF-21D, DF-26, YJ-21, as typical for naval engagements vs vampires.
China launches 250 ballistic missiles per year FOR TRAINING ALONE, aka. this means they have 250 ballistic missiles about to expire every single year. For a war, China isnt going to just launch their training stock, but their real arsenals.
This means 500 SM-3s or more than 5 Burkes with nothing but SM-3 loadouts.
No need to say that even having 500 SM-3s in theatre is kind of fantastic (as in, utter fantasy).
Not interested in your speculation
The SM-3s are meant for satellites. No need to shoot down ballistics they pose no threat to ships. Literally just move out of the way.
>The SM-3s are meant for satellites
They're ABMs first and low-level ASAT missiles second. They remain the best ABMs on the planet within their range set and no amount of cope will change that.
SM-3 is for hypersonic defense. SM-2 and -6 is for atmospheric defense. And yes, all can be used at the same time in Flight III because those are getting AESA radars. The SPG-62 is for SM-2 terminal guidance.
sm3 IS NOT a sea skimming hypersonic interceptor
>sea skimming hypersonic
>sea sklmming
>hypersonic
wouldn't the heating resulting from atmospheric drag assrape the missile?
The Klub is supersonic (terminal). Starting from today until the end of time there will NEVER be even one of these things able to penetrate a US carrier group.
>SM-3 was developed (joint program with Japan) specifically to defeat hypersonic threats
uhhhh
who's gonna tell this lil' dude?
>China has a decisive anti-ship advantage in the form of the YJ-21 hypersonic ship launched ballistic missile already.
Anti ship ballistics are a meme and will never work in real life conditions.
>but it was cancelled for a reason
Yes, that being the vicious cycle of "cut production numbers" -> "cost per individual item goes up" that kneecapped the Seawolf, B-1, B-2, and F-22.
Implessive.
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Fricking kek, this is some early 2000s photoshop magic. Check them fricking choppers.
100 gazillion quantums in their supercomputers made with the finest tofu in all Heibei.
The only thing demonstrated to be superior over the Burke are the oversized VLS cells allowing them to carry these "hypersonics" (actually just a ballistic missile) and potentially other large missiles.
Strange though. Or maybe not strange: there's been ZERO development on the HHQ-9 (S-300 clone) and YJ-18 (Klub clone)? After this many years? What's going on with those? Where are the cruise missiles? Meanwhile Flight III Burkes can quad-pack ESSMs giving it a giant advantage in air defense.
>there's been ZERO development on the HHQ-9 (S-300 clone) and YJ-18 (Klub clone)?
HHQ-9B has been revealed to have quite a bit more range than expected; pic related the export version HQ-9BE placard during the Zhuhai Airshow of 2021. It is expected that the domestic variant got quite a bit more range than that, since "260km" sounds like MTRC conformity.
YJ-18 itself seems to be a stopgap/good enough seaskimmer so far. There are rumors again that the PLAN is testing a new modified variant of it that features stealth shaping, whilst retaining its Mach 3 terminal attack speed.
>ESSM
Yeah, we are waiting for the sino-ESSM for years and it appears that there has been huge infighting/competition which delayed the selection process. DK-10A lost out (which is basically a VLS launched PL-12 AAM) while the FM-3000N appears to be the winner, judging from the export variant of the 850mm VLS complex.
Pic related, the quad-packed ESSM counterpart.
>actually just a ballistic missile
DUMB
>there's been ZERO development on the HHQ-9 (S-300 clone) and YJ-18 (Klub clone)?
SUPER DUMB
you know there is an active/dual dual seeker version of HHQ-9, right? They're not all TVM anymore.
As for YJ-18, 1) it's not a klub clone 2) it's good enough to repopulate the entire SCS with free mutt ddg reefs.
>Meanwhile Flight III Burkes can quad-pack ESSMs giving it a giant advantage in air defense.
what's the range on these? lol.
Also, no mention of the fricking DUAL BAND AESA, lol.
YJ-18 indeed isnt a clone and I'm surprised when I found out what difference they actually had. I really wonder why tho. What's wrong about copying the Klub-S and just restoring its original non-MTCR range?
Pic related, it's smaller and more compact than the Russian variant.
who knows. China operates Klubs on their Kilos, so there might be some operational deficiencies they're aware of and/or somethings they think they can do better.
Then there is the good ole' pork barrel. We all know military procurement isn't all about performance / dollar (or yuan). Sometimes, it isn't even the most important metric.
It's a clone of the Soviet/Russian 3M51 Alfa.
Source: my ass
Impressive.
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>about them hypersonics
>"seeth"
LARP'ing Black person
The cunning reverse pyschology of this Anglo-Amerimutt glowBlack person bot thread convinced me that OP is not an insecure Anglo-Amerimutt shill seething about China and that Anglo-Amerimutts are indeed white and human
>he 055 which is superior to the Burke IIA and Burke III
source: the chink dick in my ass
So basically, 3:2 odds there are crippling deficiencies with the 55s, and this is how they are announcing that they need a clean sheet design to fix them.
Did Comrade Zhao install the VLS systems upside down by mistake?
Pretty much. The crippling deficiencies are well known, such as no IEPS.
IEPS is what the 055 was supposed to have right from the beginning so that it could become the true "super warship" that the Mad Doc wanted it to be. So the next batch might be the target ship.
Honestly, I dont expect the next batch to be any bigger than the current one. Just 055 but with IEPS so that it can get lazors one day. China's current land based lasers are stuck with the 50-75 kW range due to mobile generators, but with IEPS they could up the ante.
what china gonna do with all of those ships?
Protect/Raid this here.
Artificial reefs
NEW SUPA WAWSHIP!
well cant be anything drastic even for china they cant change the design much
so im guessing
64+64 vls
maybe another ram equivalent
also maybe replacing that ciws with laser? or possibly installing 2 lasers?
>oh ehm gee
>Ching Chong ping pong
>Hrypo scronic missirs
Welcome to the 1980s.
Impressive.
With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese hypersonic electricity, quantum hypersonic aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced hypersonic railguns will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
https://www.geopolitica.info/chinese-frigates-give-jitters-pakistani-navy/
If it's so super, why do they think they need more of them?
The Chinese navy is already bigger than the US navy.
the 055 is modern, but some technologies are still not the cutting edge, such as the power system.
I guess that's the thing they want to improve on.
navies are measured in tonnage not how many patrol boats you can count under "naval warships"
Oh the chinese version of the Plan Z pipe dream.I wonder how hard they will fail.
they won't ever do shit, just bark online
those bugmen are slightly less braindead than the russians
>Russians
Plan Z was the german plan to expand the Kiregsmarine before the start of WW2.
And another thing. You know WHY Chinese ships get pumped out so fast? It's because they're built like shit with a ton of corners cut. Maybe they figure they'll sink if they get hit anyway so might as well make them cheap and fast. Maybe the shipyards are stealing the construction budget. Maybe the government set unrealistic deadlines? Regardless, they will probably go under upon taking any serious damage (ie, hull breach).
And finally -- it says a LOT that the PLAN never sails out from its home waters. Perhaps because the government doesn't want to pay for ocean deployments yet. Maybe because of corruption ruining readiness. Or maybe....too many ships have technical problems so sending them out would be asking for trouble.
source: my ass
But I'll say one nice thing about Chinese naval fans. They appear to love Command Modern Operation (CMO). I do to.
I, too, would love a game that gives my country's units the propaganda stats.
Can't wait for half their navy to get sunk.