self sufficiency hasnt been possible in almost all parts of north america for a long time now. ted received welfare every month, rode into town on a bicycle and had family support, proenneke had supplies shipped in with money he saved and with aid of bush pilots and thoreau's mother brought him food regularly.
>self sufficiency hasnt been possible in almost all parts of north america
Completely false
>ted received welfare every month
Ted was a nerd not a survivalist. The fact you mention him as an example and not a single person who has actually survived out there for over 12 months is frankly, bizarre.
I never went to Harvard. Any random illiterate guy who grew up in the appalachian mountains would have more survival skills than even the most genius university student.
higher education is not conducive to survival it's obviously the opposite
>proenneke had supplies shipped in with money he saved and with aid of bush pilots
he was also too much of a pussy to hunt and preserve large game or even grow a substantial enough garden because he was too busy filming le heckin nature
He's a minimalist/tramp. He's not some "hunter gatherer" LARPing gay. He just likes nature and the freedom of his lifestyle, and knows a shitload more about plants and animals than the average outdoor enthusiast. But people online keep misrepresenting him as some bushcraft gay, even his own fans do it. Shit's gotta be annoying
nowhere in America is more than 10 miles from a road. self sufficiency was a meme the whole time.
no the person you were replying to, but let me offer some clarity. The "nowhere is more than 10 miles from a road"is probably more accurately stated as "nowhere in the lower 48 is more than 15 miles from a human made pathway...even if nobody regularly goes down that pathway.
But who cares were a rutted dirt road is? As long as nobody bothers me I don't care where the ''roads" are.
What are the actual levels of cancerous chemicals in eater and soil?
Are you expecting lots of wildlife and people to die or get adversely affected in some way?
Something similar happened a year ago where I live. They did some tests and contamination wasn't significant. I also can't notice anything weird yet.
It will likely affect us for at least 10 years. It's not Chernobyl-tier like everyone's claiming but it is concerning, making it only worse that the Government refuses to acknowledge it properly which is scaring a lot of people
A lot of people believe it's a conspiracy theory because a movie had a very similar premise that is nearly 1 to 1, even it's location, and people are noticing other trains derailing too. The thing is that trains always had derailments consistently because the train sets are that god awful and need rework.
This is all more like we're dealing with typical Government laziness and lack of caring. It seems treatable with this
https://www.seychelle.com/collections/filter-bottles/products/28oz-rad-advanced-flip-top-bottle possibly this, but how accurate their results are only matter for this specific chemical, so even if theyve tested a similar chemical in the same family theres no guarantee it gets filtered.
>How would one go about purifying their water in the face of an event like this?
Dont, just leave. Things are going to look very Mad Max when shit goes down for good.
If you want to be 100% you don't filter, you separate it through distillation.
Then there are things for example chloramines that that will not be removed through distillation or filters for that matter, they need an additional chemical reaction first to transform them before distillation to exclude them in your distillate.
You'd have to research this specific chemical how to separate it.
Man Ohio is so fricked, nobody's gonna take these precautions beforehand finding out the effects.
It will likely affect us for at least 10 years. It's not Chernobyl-tier like everyone's claiming but it is concerning, making it only worse that the Government refuses to acknowledge it properly which is scaring a lot of people
A lot of people believe it's a conspiracy theory because a movie had a very similar premise that is nearly 1 to 1, even it's location, and people are noticing other trains derailing too. The thing is that trains always had derailments consistently because the train sets are that god awful and need rework.
This is all more like we're dealing with typical Government laziness and lack of caring. It seems treatable with this [...][...]6
so I can't say we're perma fricked
Any concrete info on this? I know people are worried about it extra because the government and media are silent about it, but what do we actually have about how bad the situation really is, how far the contamination has spread and what concentrations of the dangerous chemicals are? All I have seen so far is that people saw that one picture of the plume of smoke, noticed the government silence and started jumping to conclusions and coming up with wild theories.
I don't mean to be an government narrative defending NPC, but challenges to it do need to be backed up with real world data.
>but what do we actually have about how bad the situation really is >challenges to it do need to be backed up with real world data
Well that's the thing, isn't it. There isn't enough data right now. We don't know what the full scope of medical ramifications will be from this. We don't know the entirety of the environmental issues we will see. In twenty to fifty years, we will have answers to all of it.
I wouldn't stick around to be the test subject, though.
self sufficiency hasnt been possible in almost all parts of north america for a long time now. ted received welfare every month, rode into town on a bicycle and had family support, proenneke had supplies shipped in with money he saved and with aid of bush pilots and thoreau's mother brought him food regularly.
civilization is not something you can opt out of
>self sufficiency hasnt been possible in almost all parts of north america
Completely false
>ted received welfare every month
Ted was a nerd not a survivalist. The fact you mention him as an example and not a single person who has actually survived out there for over 12 months is frankly, bizarre.
>Ted was a nerd not a survivalist.
just like you, then
I never went to Harvard. Any random illiterate guy who grew up in the appalachian mountains would have more survival skills than even the most genius university student.
higher education is not conducive to survival it's obviously the opposite
you are so fricking gay
>proenneke had supplies shipped in with money he saved and with aid of bush pilots
he was also too much of a pussy to hunt and preserve large game or even grow a substantial enough garden because he was too busy filming le heckin nature
forestanon buys food and other stuff
He's a minimalist/tramp. He's not some "hunter gatherer" LARPing gay. He just likes nature and the freedom of his lifestyle, and knows a shitload more about plants and animals than the average outdoor enthusiast. But people online keep misrepresenting him as some bushcraft gay, even his own fans do it. Shit's gotta be annoying
ok
nowhere in America is more than 10 miles from a road. self sufficiency was a meme the whole time.
Full self sufficiency is definitely a meme but if you think nowhere in America is more than 10 miles from a road you haven't visited much of America.
no the person you were replying to, but let me offer some clarity. The "nowhere is more than 10 miles from a road"is probably more accurately stated as "nowhere in the lower 48 is more than 15 miles from a human made pathway...even if nobody regularly goes down that pathway.
But who cares were a rutted dirt road is? As long as nobody bothers me I don't care where the ''roads" are.
yep, first thing i thought about when i heard the news was all the lost PrepHole opportunities in the midwest
>midwest
Wrong side of the country, moron
What are the actual levels of cancerous chemicals in eater and soil?
Are you expecting lots of wildlife and people to die or get adversely affected in some way?
Something similar happened a year ago where I live. They did some tests and contamination wasn't significant. I also can't notice anything weird yet.
It will likely affect us for at least 10 years. It's not Chernobyl-tier like everyone's claiming but it is concerning, making it only worse that the Government refuses to acknowledge it properly which is scaring a lot of people
A lot of people believe it's a conspiracy theory because a movie had a very similar premise that is nearly 1 to 1, even it's location, and people are noticing other trains derailing too. The thing is that trains always had derailments consistently because the train sets are that god awful and need rework.
This is all more like we're dealing with typical Government laziness and lack of caring. It seems treatable with this
6
so I can't say we're perma fricked
but but the ballons
The rain is poison!
The chemical spill
Frick off demoralizer.
How would one go about purifying their water in the face of an event like this?
>boiling
>iodine
>bleach
All wont work.
Is it hopeless?
https://www.seychelle.com/collections/filter-bottles/products/28oz-rad-advanced-flip-top-bottle possibly this, but how accurate their results are only matter for this specific chemical, so even if theyve tested a similar chemical in the same family theres no guarantee it gets filtered.
>but how accurate their results are only matter for this specific chemical
nvm, apparently this filter allegedly filters 99.78% of vinyl chloride
Thank you
>How would one go about purifying their water in the face of an event like this?
Dont, just leave. Things are going to look very Mad Max when shit goes down for good.
If you want to be 100% you don't filter, you separate it through distillation.
Then there are things for example chloramines that that will not be removed through distillation or filters for that matter, they need an additional chemical reaction first to transform them before distillation to exclude them in your distillate.
You'd have to research this specific chemical how to separate it.
Man Ohio is so fricked, nobody's gonna take these precautions beforehand finding out the effects.
Any concrete info on this? I know people are worried about it extra because the government and media are silent about it, but what do we actually have about how bad the situation really is, how far the contamination has spread and what concentrations of the dangerous chemicals are? All I have seen so far is that people saw that one picture of the plume of smoke, noticed the government silence and started jumping to conclusions and coming up with wild theories.
I don't mean to be an government narrative defending NPC, but challenges to it do need to be backed up with real world data.
>but what do we actually have about how bad the situation really is
>challenges to it do need to be backed up with real world data
Well that's the thing, isn't it. There isn't enough data right now. We don't know what the full scope of medical ramifications will be from this. We don't know the entirety of the environmental issues we will see. In twenty to fifty years, we will have answers to all of it.
I wouldn't stick around to be the test subject, though.