Castles are cool so therefore how do you make them artilery proof?

(hard mode no bunkers, bunkers are gay)

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing is artillery proof. SAMs are the only defense

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Nothing is artillery proof.
      It is if you stick it on the reverse slope of a very tall granite mountain.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pre stressed concrete with steel fibres and other micro deforming structures.
    Give them 10 meters of thickness and modern defensive structural materials and you can stop pretty much all bunker busters.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the successor to the castle was the star-fort which used thick, low, earthen walls that were able to withstand multiple hits without collapsing
    but more importantly, they were actively defended using large guns placed on the bastions that could provide enfilading fire to protect the walls

    we still see star-forts today in colonial backwaters where the enemy is unlikely to have heavy artillery capable of blasting the walls apart but the enemy may have sheer numbers and you may want to dissuade massed assaults from climbing over with as few guns as possible

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and the successor to the star fort is the polygon fort such as

      https://i.imgur.com/rs2TBE1.png

      This. Picrel. During the battle of Verdun they just kept hitting Fort Douaumont until there wasn't much more than piles of dirt.

      https://i.imgur.com/ZvX0sgJ.jpg

      Yeah no. It looks bad but the thick roofed structures are all still there.

      https://i.imgur.com/bFUqjyx.jpg

      Pic related. A better angled image showing the structure entrances shown still visible.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_fort

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    put ERA on the castles

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The music project?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Explosive Reactive Armor

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thats ERB

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Either build it on a hill or employ artillery and outrage your attackers.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Easy peasy, make the walls out of pykrete. Of course, you'll have to only build your castle in the polar regions, but you'll have a basically artillery proof castle.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >No Bunkers.
    Can't be done. It's only a matter of time before Arty zeros in on your barracks, armory, and command post.

    >But what about
    It's a bunker by another name. Or a variant of a bunker. Or made with a bunker. Point is, taking bunkers out of modern fortifications is like taking crenalations from castle design. What the frick are you even doing.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have some autism OP.
    Make a castle out of the Iranian shite.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Artillery was invented to defeat castles. You can't make them artilleryproof. WW1 degenerated into trench warfare because artillery leveled all the great forts of the world. Literally leveled, down to the last brick.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Picrel. During the battle of Verdun they just kept hitting Fort Douaumont until there wasn't much more than piles of dirt.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why is artillery so OP?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Top down attacks always OP. For you can only armour your top side that much.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          goddamn I love this game, I need to play it again soon.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What game?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah no. It looks bad but the thick roofed structures are all still there.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pic related. A better angled image showing the structure entrances shown still visible.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Aktualy all those forts in Verdun required the German to assault them, and most fell due to their guns having been taken away to provide heavy howitzer to mobile units or their water reservoirs being depleted. And keep in mind those were old forts from the Séré de Rivières system.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/ZvX0sgJ.jpg

        Yeah no. It looks bad but the thick roofed structures are all still there.

        yeah the poor buttholes didn't get the luxury of dying to those shells, they had to endure it until a wave of german got thrown in

        I visited the fort as a kid, the inside tunnels are still there, and at one point the guide pointed out a big metal grate on the floor, covering a hole; she then lifted the thing, and dropped it back on the hole

        The sheer fricking noise that grate made in the confines of the tunnnels was ear splitting, and the echo just bounced around making everything vibrate

        "Now imagine that, but way louder, hard enough to make you fall down, and at random intervals from 2 a second to 1 an hour"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's actually in pretty good shape considering the pounding it took, not nearly as bad as it looks, the thing was still a very important and efficient fortification

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        soil defeats artillery, preferably wet. artillery can move it around but beyond a certain depth can't do much to it

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I found a way lads.
    Turns out it's very simple.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >raise shields
      I've personally seen it work.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have a lasgun. Now what?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        50/50 chance it causes a feedback loop and creates the equivalent to a nuclear bomb going off at either your position or the surface of the shield.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I like those odds.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is that a 100% chance of having a 50% chance of it blowing up at either your position or a 50% chance of blowing up at the hit position, or a 50% chance of having a 50% chance of blowing up at either your position or a 50% chance at the target position?
          That is to say (1.00)(0.50 x 0.50) or (0.50)(0.50 x 0.50)?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            25% you, 25% them, 25% both, 25% neither or in the middle of the beam. Then 50% a fizzle and 50% a nuke. The Watsonian explanation is Dunc shields are fields of virtual particles which the laser interacts with enough to convert to real mass.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I only fire unstoppable breaching rounds.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yea but eventually they'll all die due to the lack of oxygen anon

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Magic
    >bb but that's not real
    Yeah neither is what you want you dumb b***h.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Magic
      Does this mean I get a gf?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >wanting a magic woman
        All fun and games until most of your day is just gathering herbs

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AR500 1zillion mm thick, not soft limestone. OC.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not saying Clifford's Tower was an inside job, but it turns out most of the guards had already rented lodging elsewhere and moved out their belongings when it exploded.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >“Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl”- Frederick the Great

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't they have the general idea that artillery would just pound the enemy into surrendering/running so that their wouldn't be a fight?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That sounds like a good idea if it wasn't for the fact that literally everyone else you may fight is going to do the same thing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah yes, dignity.

      Probably one of the better displays of what it'd be like getting hit by a cannon ball.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make it big. No, not like that. Bigger.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Magnets in the walls so the shells are repelled safely away

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What if they shoot pastic bullets?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >countermeasure: opposites attract, Scientist and Philosopher Paula Abdul

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I put magnets in my artillery so they get pulled on target.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are bunkers gay

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Castles are cool so therefore how do you make them artilery proof?
    layer of earth, layer of stone layer of reinforced concrete repeat until bored.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damn, I want a 'build your own Maginot Line' game.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        game? I want a build maginot line again real life

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are friends now, no need for wall.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If every country on the planet had a massive wall around it's borders the world would be an infinitely better place.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They're friends now because the yankees said, "play nice." They've been enemies since Antiquity, and the Pax Americana is a historical anomaly. Fifty years from now we'll see Wilhelm III and Napoleon IV duking it out.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its anime, not a game. Girls Und Panzer

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This anime bothered me because they allowed the girls to stick their heads out of the hatchers during combat with live ammo being fired at them. It's supposed to be a safe sport and no one dies during it yet you have girls sticking their heads out in to machine gun fire.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          carbon coated fluffy hair helmets

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The girls are bulletproofed.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's called "how to defend your borders in every Civ game ever"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >late war german vehicles
        are the japanese moronic?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >posts something like this
      >no Saddam
      one job, etc

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make the underground

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Layers of soil stone and reinforced concrete do the same, the soil absorbs and flexes and horizontal ties through the lateys make it insanely strong.

      It's actually in pretty good shape considering the pounding it took, not nearly as bad as it looks, the thing was still a very important and efficient fortification

      True but many fortifications resisted crazy levels of bombardments from Monte casino to Malta to Aleppo. True fortresses have layers of stone walls pinned together and the gap in between filled by earth each later can be meters thick and many are resistant to shrapnel and small arms to begin with. Even HE can have a limited effect on them

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Monte_Cassino

      [...]
      yeah the poor buttholes didn't get the luxury of dying to those shells, they had to endure it until a wave of german got thrown in

      I visited the fort as a kid, the inside tunnels are still there, and at one point the guide pointed out a big metal grate on the floor, covering a hole; she then lifted the thing, and dropped it back on the hole

      The sheer fricking noise that grate made in the confines of the tunnnels was ear splitting, and the echo just bounced around making everything vibrate

      "Now imagine that, but way louder, hard enough to make you fall down, and at random intervals from 2 a second to 1 an hour"

      Oh look another dickhead who played battlefield one and because an online expert in WW1. Go stand beside any belt fed centerfire gun and tell me how your hearing is moron child.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I said that being shelled while bunkering in an hollowed out rock is loud
        You're denying that's a hard thing to deal with in war times ooor?..

        There's a difference in standing beside a gun for a while and being the target of shellls big as a normal man's chest (probably not yours though)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He shot a 249 once and think that makes him qualified to comment on the conditions in Antwerp or Verdun

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Oh look another dickhead who played battlefield one and because an online expert in WW1. Go stand beside any belt fed centerfire gun and tell me how your hearing is moron child.
        How can someone be such a snooty uptight homosexual while also being completely fricking wrong. The sound of thousands of tons of high explosive shells resonating through brick and concrete hallways is a bit louder than one little fricking popgun you degenerate halfwit.
        Now go ask your tard wrangler for an extra pudding cup at dinner or something.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >How can someone be such a snooty uptight homosexual while also being completely fricking wrong. The sound of thousands of tons of high explosive shells resonating through brick and concrete hallways is a bit louder than one little fricking popgun you degenerate halfwit.
          >Now go ask your tard wrangler for an extra pudding cup at dinner or something.

          >He shot a 249 once and think that makes him qualified to comment on the conditions in Antwerp or Verdun

          >>He shot a 249 once and think that makes him qualified to comment on the conditions in Antwerp or Verdun

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh look another moron who's never been around artillery fire
        machine guns are loud, but artillery is like something bellowing out of the earth, its more than just loud
        the amount of powder or explosives in a single shell is more than an entire belt of machine gun ammunition

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've been shelled periodically for a month sitting 60 feet under it you worthless little homosexuals. Now stuff your Hollywood and battlefield one knowledge up your ass and frick off

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            now hes larping, what a homosexual lol

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If you need to believe that's fine just remember the next time you play your stupid video games you are in fact just a worthless little prick and that is all you will ever be. I was on the receiving end of artillery before you were even born.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you keep going on about video games and movies but what people are describing is nothing like that

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anti-concrete/earth/stone munitions actually have terrible penetration against steel, so just plate your whole castle's exterior in battleship armor belts and it'll shrug off a large nuclear explosion.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Building a structure that can withstand heavy attack on paper is the easy part, its expensive, but it has been done.

    However when talking about fortifications and similar structures, the weakest link is still continued siege leading to shortages of water, food, ammunition, and medical supplies. Its what killed Fort Vaux, and led to the fall of Azovstal. Thats if the people inside the fortification even feel like fighting for it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly this. A forts biggest vulnerability is that it can be bypassed, surrounded and cutoff. In an era of highly mobile warfare they’re a liability. The Maginot line didn’t fail because it was defeated, it failed because it was rendered irrelevant. Same story with all those German holdouts along the Atlantic wall in France, they withered on the vine.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is a bullshit narrative designed to convince the public that heavy fortifications are obsolete which is very politically convenient, Considering that heavy fortifications are almost as geopolitically expensive as nuclear weapons.

        The Maginot line was abandoned before it was even finished and when the germans got through the ardennes forest high command ordered all the men across the entire line to abandoned the remaining fortifications and march to the battlefield, This order was sent via plain french by foot which the germans captured and translated so they just ran through the now empty forts and captured all the garrison soldiers who didn't even have a hope of making it to the battlefield at the ardennes let alone doing anything when they got their considering they left all equipment behind.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          PGMs + modern surveillance has effectively rendered them useless.
          You don't need to destroy the entire facility when you can very easily hit every entrance and every weapons station.
          even very well concealed access locations are going to be spotted when troops actually try and egress through them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Almost every single piece of technology used to defend ships at sea is even better served on land based installations, This is an objective fact.
            Relying purely obscurity and underground depth for protection is an obsolete design paradigm for anything that is actually meant to participate in combat.
            Camouflaged remote operated weapon systems and decoys easily counter modern surveillance and PGMs, A fortification can also employ the strongest possible ECM.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >A fortification can also employ the strongest possible ECM.

              not very useful for a static target, original PGM like pershing missile did not rely on any sort of radio signal to hit point targets

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not the point, The defending forces can coordinate using secure land connections while the invading force is forced to deal with their wireless coms being jammed or even intercepted.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Build it inside a mountain.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Build a massive entirely underground complex and use the excavated material to bury the entire thing under an earthen dome. Cover the earthen dome with bunkers that can launch ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, SAM, and drones. If necessary, include CIWS or something similar. Connect the fortress to friendly territory via underground rail. Your fortress is now unassailable if you can keep it supplied. Anyone that can get close enough to you to drop arty on your fortress can also eat a missile or drone.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This works even better if you put several of these fortresses on a geographically significant island and stock it with more anti-ship missiles than warships in existence.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So the UK (As a US vassal)?

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Upon thinking about this for a moment, if you're wealthy enough to own a castle you should just invest your wealth into global markets and live in whichever of your portfolio of castles you please. 100% chance of not being killed by artillery fire.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Castles are obsolete to modern artillery since 1870. Welp, they had a good run tho.
    6000BC - 1870 AD [RIP]

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no one has mentioned flak towers yet
    They bombed the FRICK out of these things. Even in peacetime they wanted them destroyed but they decided it wasn't worth the insane, astronomical amount of effort that would take

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They tried the same with some of the uboat bunkers in Norway. They even tried hitting them with Tallboys, and the attempted demolitions right after the war also failed. They decided to leave them, and I believe they're still in use. One of them had two of its pens removed at some point though.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why don’t they just hire 1000 Polacks with jackhammers to do it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The ability for the flak tower to deliver any munitions would be quickly destroyed. You now have a bunch of dudes in a bunker that can't really accomplish anything.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so, standard for a castle under siege?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. The only issue is that in such a state, the fortress is of zero value. If it doesn't have a large area denial effect way beyond its physical location then it might as well not exist.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well its the same thought process as a castle basically, though probably far less effective since in the modern era it takes far less to keep troops pinned down and besieged. You force your enemy to spend valuable time and resources sieging you because if you don't you can just regularly pop out, frick with their supply lines, and pop back in before they can wipe you out.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Getting to the people in the bunker doesn't really matter in modern warfare if the people in the bunker can't do anything offensively. In my idea of a modern fortress, it only makes sense for denying access to shipping choke points.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >can't get the troops out
                >need to spend troops to keep them penned in
                >has never heard of an underground railway
                >has never heard of subterranean levels and greenhouses to make food

                /k/ really is nothing but dumb teenagers these days

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The U-boat bases in France are still in a pretty good shape as well considering the amount of bombings they endured (entire town of Lorient was obliterated, while it's U-boat base remained more or less intact)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      op said artillery, flak towers might be good against explosive munitions but during a siege artillery uses solid bolts and delayed fuze shells (a shell with particularly thick walls which after slamming into dirt or a wall and getting burried explodes, while aircraft bombs dont have this force and are designed to airburst), which flak towers werent designed to handle

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What the frick are you talking about??? These towers literally survived the battle of Berlin. You know, the battle were the proto-ziggers threw all of their artillery against the city????

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yea, for a city theyd especially be using airburst shells, not AP shells

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is no reason to build a fort.
            What the frick are you going to do when the enemy goes around it?
            Protest?
            >I want to defend my borders
            We invented mines, radios and the motor engine for that.
            The last time a fort/castle was defended was Brest and the rubble and placement of the fort was primary point of defense

            >Airburst
            Are you moronic?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              airburst, percussion, etc, doesnt matter because you need to use inertia to breech walls

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >aircraft bombs dont have this force and are designed to airburst
        wut? they explode on impact anon. some are even designed to penetrate before detonating

        airburst, percussion, etc, doesnt matter because you need to use inertia to breech walls

        >you need to use inertia to breech walls
        they had 122 and 152 howtizers and tank guns
        direct firing at the thing, what more do you want? Im pretty sure they even had those tracked 203mm howitzers firing at the blasted things

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the howitzer and tank shells explode in front of or on impact with the walls, not inside them

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the howitzer and tank shells explode in front of or on impact with the walls, not inside them
            there are armor piercing HE shells

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is there anything cooler than heavy artillery firing over open sights?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What makes them special? Kraut magic?

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    counter rocket, artillery, mortar.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bigger stones

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hoover Dam levels of concrete.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And I don't mean the thickness. I mean the height.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bunker busters are terrible against harder armor.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Reject bunker
    >Retvrn to demi-lunes

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    steal reinforcement duh

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      from where?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        from a steal yard or a steal foundry duh

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make it world heritage site under UNESCO, fill it halls with priceless historical artefacts and televise publicly the entire assault so that the use of artillery becomes a giant PR nightmare.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    best way would to be something like what the japs did, their main castle buildings were all just wooden because of earthquakes, but their walls were designed specifically for artillery
    they often carved them out of hills or mountains and then lined the exterior with bricks (in this pic the walls are just bare dirt)
    while this doesnt protect the buildings on the wall, artillery cant cause a breech or cause the castle to collapse, which is important if you want to maintain a height advantage which other castles like star forts dont have

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what are mortars/bombards

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i already mentioned it doesnt protect the buildings, just the walls and foundation
        theres not much you can do to defend a castle against fire from above unless you build a star fort, which can still be built ontop of those kinds of walls

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Use ERA instead of bricks.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how do you make them artilery proof?
    before they had heavy modern-ish dreadnought/battleship mounted breech loading artillery it was as simple as having enough dirt on top of you and the fort would win any duel with ships

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Install plot armor.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The primary issue with castles is that most fighting being done right now is in the middle of nowhere between people with dubious and questionable means to logistically hold such a thing. So cheap and easy to build bases trumps castles.

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