>carry a gun to protect yourself and save your life
>become moronic and die of lead poisoning while never having to actually use your gun once in your entire life
>carry a gun to protect yourself and save your life
>carry a gun to protect yourself and save your life
>become moronic and die of lead poisoning while never having to actually use your gun once in your entire life
I’ve already had to use my gun and I exclusively shoot in NBC gear so lead poisoning isn’t a concern
I've been doing stained glass as a hobby for a decade now breading in lead solder fumes and I'm still doing just fine.
I'm sure a bit from shooting isn't going to frick you over
"Breading"
It's SO over
>I've been doing stained glass as a hobby for a decade now breading in lead solder fumes and I'm still doing just fine.
don't mean to alarm you anon but it takes a long time before the lead starts to get into your brain proper.
leaded gasoline was at its more popular in the 70's but the effects only became prominent in the 90's. its also why you see old people being so deranged and behaving incomprehensibly.
>see old people being so deranged and behaving incomprehensibly.
>old people never lose their minds
Leaded gasoline was bad and I won’t pretend it wasn’t, but old people always lose their faculties.
This only mattered if you grew up in a dense city and it's absolutely disgusting even after unleaded and catalytic converters. I went to NYC once and it was unbearably gross. Apparently the inner city Blacks are RAVAGED by asthma because of it.
You're gonna die of cancer like Steve Jobs
Who the hell is Steve Jobs
Ligma balls
but who was phone?
With an orange shoved up his ass?
>Lead exposure increases aggression
>Lead exposure lowers IQ
>Lower IQ people are happier
>aggressive people are better able to defend themselves.
Why do you hate safe, happy, free people anon? Maybe you'd be happier if you supplemented with lead.
dubs confirms.
OP, go to a fishing store and get some lead weights and pop two every evening before bed.
Romans used to drink lead and they did alright
people also used to think tomatoes were poisonous because they ate them off of pewter plates
I believe that tomatoes were poisonous until we bred them not to be. It's a nightshade. Potatoes, another nightshade, sometimes grow tomato-like fruits which are very poisonous.
damn, lay off me Big Lead
Iirc, the acidity of the tomatoes leeched the leaf out of the pewter alloy, but also because tomatoes share some family tree with nightshades
>the acidity of the tomatoes leeched the leaf out of the pewter alloy
That's true, but they didn't believe that tomatoes were poisonous because of it. Lead toxicity was understood then, however even had they now hiw would they have made a direct connection between the consumption of tomato and the symptoms of lead poisoning. Nightshade poisonings are not a chronic slowly developing thing like heavy metal poisonings.
No, it was blamed on the tomatoes. Lead dissolved in bioavailable acid is much, much more dangerous than particles of elemental lead from gunfire. Further, it was not commonly believed that tomatoes were acidic at all because they tasted sweet, and did not have the citrus taste that people believed was the hallmark of all acid.
They thought they were poisonous because they are a nightshade. European nightshades are lethal.
They didn't. Roman's used lead for their water pipes but they also used water high in chalk. As a consequence lime scale would develop on the pipes over time insulating the water from the lead
Didn’t have troons back in the 70s. Taking the lead out of gasoline was a mistake.
Absolutely had cross dressers and homosexuals back then, zoomie
>what are the village people for 500 Alex?
fricking moron lmao
pick up a fricking book sometime
why would he pick up a book about gays?
Knowing is half the battle
wize words
stonewall riots
How much lead do you think people are exposed to in recreational, even frequent shooting? Even then, the effect of lead is only really a problem in young children.
Any amount leads to permanent negative effects and noticeable symptoms. Brainfog. Headaches. And it never goes away. You are literally slowly making yourself more moronic every time you shoot a gun
I hope you never have a small plane fly over you
I live right nextdoor to a small airport that flies over my house every day is that bad?
>shoot guns for years
>die of lead poisoning eventually
Oh no I got to have fun and stop paying taxes early
What about lead-free ammo? If you use that, are there any other things that can hurt you? Is there bad stuff in gunpowder or the guns' materials/coatings?
Going to indoor range is the worst. You should never go to one. Every part of the room will test positive for lead and it's just nonstop in the air. Only shoot at an outdoor range and even then I wouldn't risk it. If you lead test your gun right now it will mark positive and even the smallest particle of lead will lead to permanent negative effects.. Lead free ammo is good but you have to make sure it's 100% lead free. Most of them arne't
>just never shoot your guns
What’s the point of owning them then?
To protect yourself not to become john wick
Gay
Get help for your OCD
Enjoy dropping 10 iq points. Won't be bad for you because you will still be in the double digit
I’m literally a physician
Has nothing to do with IQ.. and you won't be for long with lead poisoning
are you also the decibel autist who’s convinced driving causes permanent hearing damage?
Different autist, but yeah driving with the windows down isn't good for your hearing long term. I'm near 40 and I have asymmetrical hearing loss in my left ear only.
It's like your ears can only take so much sound over a lifetime and hours of wind noise can eat a large chunk of that balance.
> but yeah driving with the windows down isn't good for your hearing long term
That’s not what I said. Normal driving in a car with the windows up causes permanent hearing damage according to hearing autist
Depends on the car tbh. I've had beer cans and soft tops that are loud on the freeway, no way to get away from it.
The problem is currently primers. There are lead-free primers in use but the technology isn't there yet and I believe they are less reliable.
This guy is correct, the problem is lead styphanate in primers which is vaporized when you shoot then subsequently inhaled or transfered to your body and clothes where it can then enter your bloodstream by you touching your face. Ideally you should shoot outdoors, wearing an n95 mask, then change your clothes, don't wear your your shoes into your house and wash your hands with chelating soap like d-lead.
Wear your mask chud
I'm unironically pro mask.
I saw the nips do it decades ago for the common cold and thought "I wish my society cared about each other enough to try to not spread diseases to fellow workers and traingoers".
Then when covid came around I thought, oh sweet maybe we will adopt this rational societal benefit and maybe the common cold and flu won't spread so easily and so many peoples lives could be saved per year.
And then morons like you started crying about "personal freedoms" as if other people do not matter at all.
Minor inconveniences are something we do every day, like opening a door ahead of a stranger, or helping pick up other people's dropped things, or conceal carry to protect themselves the public and their family.
Only sociopaths and morons mock those that try to protect others from harm.
No one cares if you personally wear a cuck muzzle. The problem is in a lot of places it was illegal to go outside for a full year without wrapping yourself in a burqa. That was moronic and quite literally a curtailment of basic personal freedoms.
>what do you mean, I can't drive drunk and high as frick in the pedestrian zone?
>just jump out of the way cucks
>what do you mean there should be laws agains that?
>it's literally holocausting my freedoms!!1!
Did you wear a mask while alone in your car?
moronic exceptions don't invalidate the entire approach.
So did you or didn't you wear the mask alone in your car?
Quit being a pussy
Ban guns they kill people i dont care about your freedoms
It's good to read that not everyone here has succumbed to brain rot.
You literally fell for a psyop. Not even in the meme way psyop is usually used here. There was literally a psychological operation orchestrated by world health officials to convince you masks and standing 6 feet apart somehow reduced spread of a virus that is spread mostly by surface contact and you actually fell for literal propaganda. Congrats, you've demonstrated that you will willingly go to the FEMA camp when ordered. Might as well sell your guns now because you won't have the balls to use them.
Yea take your meds schizo.
>demonstrable world conspiracy theory
>"you are a schizo"
Schizo has lost all meaning. I remember when you didn't get called a schizo unless you were a gangstalking victim with a microchip inside them.
i am a male nurse that worked on a covid ward for over a year, i wore the ffp2 (n95) mask every day and never got covid while i was there, colleagues that werent so thorough with mask wearing all got it super fast.
in my experience the virus doesnt really spread by surface and focusing on proper wearing of the n95 mask was the most effective thing in preventing an infection. also you can get a much higher viral load directly into your lung by inhaling. our entire night shift force got really sick within a week in fall 2020 because they didnt wear the mask and inhaled covid directly from the patients.
I never wore a mask and never got covid. Explain that
I got covid 3 times and never even realized it because I’m not an overweight senior citizen.
People stayed the frick away from you.
>you need masks to stop covid
>no social distancing is fine and that’s why you didn’t need a mask
Huh. Is there another version of The Science (TM) that was sent out? I’m not a fan of constant software updates.
Social distancing is also gay but it makes logical sense. It’s amazing the mental gymnastics you go through to avoid saying you got duped.
Where the hell did you learn mask protocol from? You only need masks when indoors and close to other people.
>I never wore a mask and never got covid. Explain that
The mask was not to stop you getting covid, it was to stop others getting covid. If you live in a rural area and have no friends its not surprising but you probably got it alright and were asymptomatic and killed one of your elderly relatives.
>The mask was not to stop you getting covid, it was to stop others getting covid
Oh really? Pic related
>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/17/fact-check-ex-surgeon-general-jerome-adams-reversed-position-masks/6765301002/
>It’s amazing the mental gymnastics you go through to avoid saying you got duped
Lol. Lmao
Also a reminder that the New England Journal of Medicine says they don't even matter
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmp2006372
>It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers’ perceived sense of safety, well-being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis. One might argue that fear and anxiety are better countered with data and education than with a marginally beneficial mask, particularly in light of the worldwide mask shortage, but it is difficult to get clinicians to hear this message in the heat of the current crisis. Expanded masking protocols’ greatest contribution may be to reduce the transmission of anxiety, over and above whatever role they may play in reducing transmission of Covid-19
> Masking all providers might limit transmission from these sources by stopping asymptomatic and minimally symptomatic health care workers from spreading virus-laden oral and nasal droplets
If it's good for healthcare workers it's good for me too. They face off against potentially infected people daily, as I do riding the trains or sitting in auditoriums as often. The very authors contradict themselves by saying that wearing a mask does little to stop infection, yet mention conditions needed to get infected that are commonly encountered.
>Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes).
Oh, like riding a bus? Or sitting in a coffee shop? Or in class? Or in a meeting? Not all symptoms are visible let alone obvious. But that's your dice to roll. Cover your ass and cover your face.
What shithole coffee shop are you patronizing if it forces you to spend ten minutes next to a complete stranger? That's either an unacceptably long line or an unacceptably crowded seating area.
>Cover your ass and cover your face.
juice
squeeze
the reality is that if you are a college age person you have no chance of becoming seriously ill from COVID. at all age groups it was the infirm dying, not the healthy. it's just most old people are infirm. I'm not going out of my way when I already know I'm deselected for serious complications and have a working immune system.
you are too afraid of dying to live.
kek. yeah and then you have an accident and need a place in the icu and surgery and you wont get either because the icu is filled to the brim with covid patients and 90% of all surgeries cancelled because the anesthesists are all working in the icu and out of 3 surgical wards 1 got turned into a covid ward, 1 is held in reserve/shut down because of sick leaves and the 3rd really only does the absolute life threatening necessary surgeries which means if your broken limb technically needs surgery but its not life threatening, yeah you gotta wait and just cope with the fact that your arm will not become straight ever again.
damn, Im glad COVID killed a bunch of infirm people because now they aren't taking up so much space in the hospitals. good point!
And that was moronic. The average Covid death, even using inflated counts, was higher than the average life expectancy. The average BMI of someone under 40 who was hospitalized for covid was 43.1. Fatties shouldn’t be so fricking fat and they’d be ok. They should also be left without care. That’s not just my opinion that’s what makes the most logical sense
>average Covid death, even using inflated counts
covid deaths were massively underreported. the usual covid death was months to years after infection, because older patients usually wouldnt fully recover from covid afterwards, they wouldnt get enough oxygen because their lungs were damaged, their hearts were weakened because they had been bed ridden for weeks, they wouldnt eat or drink normally, wouldnt be able to walk anymore, wouldnt talk anymore, they were reported as covid survivors even though they were basically at deaths door, when they died months later they were not counted as covid deaths even though covid had killed them. and if you also count in the deaths that happened because a lot of health care services got basically shut down (cancer surgery, chemotherapy) for months you get a really big wave in covid related deaths that arent reported as covid deaths.
>Show me one study that proves lockdowns did a fricking thing
Jarvis CI, Van Zandvoort K, Gimma A, et al., CMMID COVID-19 working group. Quantifying the impact of physical distance measures on the transmission of COVID-19 in the UK. BMC Med2020;18:124. doi:10.1186/s12916-020-01597-8. pmid:32375776
>UK Study says lockdowns worked
Imagine my shock
Alfano V, Ercolano S. The Efficacy of Lockdown Against COVID-19: A Cross-Country Panel Analysis. Appl Health Econ Health Policy2020;18:509-17. doi:10.1007/s40258-020-00596-3. pmid:32495067
And can you point to the countries that only did these measures for 10 to 20 days to slow the spread at the beginning?
the lockdowns werent done in the beginning, they were done usually shortly after the peak of the infection wave.
also they barely got executed, a lot of people would just do whatever and police would say they dont have enough resources to monitor so many people and that was it. close to my place is a small patch of forest where teenagers used to do lockdown parties. countries that did really hard core lockdowns like china had 0 covid for a long time. diseases that arent as easily transmissible (influenza) vanished almost completely.
>He believes Chinese numbers
hey man, the chinks told the WHO that there was no evidence of COVID transmitting between humans and the WHO thought that was good enough to tell the entire world, in January of 2020. trust the experts, buddy.
>in January of 2020
at that time opinion was that its just another SARS epidemic with limited spread. i doubt the chinese themselves fully knew at the time how infectious the virus would become. in the west in january 2020 no one really cared. it wasnt until a month later after italy reported about hospitals in some areas getting overwhelmed by it that people took notice.
> i doubt the chinese themselves fully knew at the time how infectious the virus would become.
they absolutely knew which is why they tried to lock it down in the beginning so drastically. everyone conveniently forgets the idea that this was a bioweapon was very prevalent near the outset and the deviation from trump's "kung flu" was a last-ditch effort to salvage any remaining political goodwill with china. the idea that this was a bioweapon stolen from a western lab and leaked from the wuhan lab was making the rounds, and wet markets were always a short-sighted revisionist cope to quite literally and ironically try to prevent blind racism against chinese. china hated the notion that they were responsible, did everything in their power to change that image. somehow the disease early on hit ethnic chinese very hard, almost harder than others. crazy how that works
>they absolutely knew
and you know this how?
because I was on the internet during Q4 of 2019 and had the bare minimum interest in what was happening in China.
thats hardly evidence.
thankfully I'm not like you & I don't get emotionally invested in trying to convince anonymous posters of the veracity of my opinion. if you want to challenge someone on their opinion and be taken at face value or better, have something to say next time.
the same goes for you.
Because it came from a lab in Wuhan. How would they not?
>How would they not?
corona viruses exist outside of labs too. they were first discovered in the 30s in america.
>moving the goalpost
lmao
>Lockdowns work chud, this study that says a scenario which no one did helps!
lol, lmao
>making stuff up to not admit you were wrong
Suit yourself, schizo
>covid deaths were massively underreported
Opposite, hospitals were financially incentivized to include covid on as many death certificates as possible.
most deaths didnt and dont happen in hospitals.
Right, like motorcycle crash victims to happen to die with covid on admittance to a hospital, that counted as a covid death which the hospital would get a kickback for reporting in the form of extra government aid.
motorcycle crash deaths are like 0.0001% of all deaths.
That's not the rebuttal you should have given if you want to be taken seriously.
you claimed covid deaths were motorcyle crash victims. i highly doubt that a lot of elderly bikers were on the streets in december of 2020.
world governments also claimed we underwent a "pandemic"
>that killed primarily geriatrics and seniors
do you hate your grandparents or what?
my grandparents both supported my decision not to get vaccinated and didn't succumb to d&c nonsense. besides, my being vaccinated or not never prevented or reduced transmission of the disease to them. the idea we had a "social responsibility" was unironically a psyop to see what people will withstand without pushback: look at canada's artificial recession, it's an economic experiment
My grandparents would be appalled at the idea of ruining my life and career for the chance they might get sick and die. They were both over 80, smoked for 50 years, and lived their lives. They want me to live mine now. My job and life was unaffected but that’s not the point.
Prioritizing old, unhealthy people over everyone else is an ass backwards strategy.
>ruining my life and career
because you had to wear mask on certain occasions for a few months and some normie parties were cancelled? how does this ruin your life? arent you a bit overly dramatic here?
>no business were closed during covid
>no industries suffered setbacks and layoffs
Frick off you disingenuous Black person
businesses got so many covid aid payments here they didnt even want the lockdowns to end. they made big bank.
>here
Again, I don’t care about Europe and that’s not what I was talking about. If you meant the US you are completely lying
then who went bankrupt in the us? american economy was and still is booming, unemployment rate is 3% which is as low as it can realistically get. trump gave you all covid bux several times. what are you complaining about?
>american economy was and still is booming, unemployment rate is 3% which is as low as it can realistically get
Lol. Lmao even
You are an extremely disingenuous Black person.
You just do my work for me being this dumb lmao, thanks for admitting the numbers are cooked.
>You just do my work
this is your work?
moron or ESL?
>and if you also count in the deaths that happened because a lot of health care services got basically shut down (cancer surgery, chemotherapy) for months you get a really big wave in covid related deaths that arent reported as covid deaths
So lockdowns don't work
No point arguing with these moron /misc/ cross-posters. Don't waste your time with stupid, they are too entrenched and will deny anything except what they want to hear.
>covid deaths were massively underreported.
Your first sentence is a massive lie so I can easily ignore the rest. Hospitals received tens of thousands of dollars for each covid death and had no repercussions for misreporting. Where did deaths from the flu, heart disease, and cancer go in 2020?
Let’s get the back on topic and post your favorite lead spewing devices. You do own guns right?
>Hospitals received tens of thousands of dollars f
in the usa maybe, but not here in eurostan and not in other parts of the world.
Yeah so in the place we’re talking about and the only place that matters. Post guns eurogay. Oh wait.
>The juice ain't worth the squeeeeze
It's putting a mask on your face, not asking you to shave your pussy. You sound like a Black person, always thinking after yourself and out to ridicule the smallest societal nicety as if it's some extreme inconvenience. You probably tip low and have a weak handshake, too, since you're predisposed to a number of undesirable traits.
we get it, you are a troony that needs to cover his face.
I guess you are doing us a bit of a favor, but you could also have a nice day and it'd be much more convenient for us. you wouldn't spread your filth everywhere too, which is more important than you living.
> Oh, like riding a bus?
I drive myself because I’m not a Black person or europoor
>Or sitting in a coffee shop?
Why are you that close to strangers?
>Or in class?
Not a child
>Or in a meeting?
It’s never been acceptable behavior to cough or sneeze on another person and no meeting I’ve ever been in has someone so close they are breathing on me. That’s incredibly unprofessional.
>Not all symptoms are visible let alone obvious.
If you bothered to read that link you’d see they said asymptomatic didn’t really matter and didn’t transmit. Which became the official narrative too eventually
>But that's your dice to roll
I and millions are did, and we all won. Wow what are the odds?
>Cover your ass and cover your face.
Cover for what? I didn’t get sick. I’m also not 80 or morbidly obese so it’s a mild sickness. The horror.
>but you probably got it alright and were asymptomatic
no we had to do daily covid tests. i had my first positive test in fall 2022 together with the typical symptoms, i coughed for 2 weeks.
>https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmp2006372
which masks? surgical masks? cloth masks? n95 masks? kn95 masks? also april 2020.., ffp2 masks became mandatory in my hospital in fall 2020 after the surgical masks and cloth masks failed and nobody wore them properly anyway because covid was basically gone over the summer of 2020 so nobody gave a frick. the ffp2 mask didnt fail.
wheter they are useful for normies in public who wont wear them properly anyway yeah thats debatable but if you work with covid patients and you dont want to get infected, then ffp2 masks work. thats what ive experienced over months and i got coughed at every week.
>after the surgical masks and cloth masks failed and nobody wore them properly anyway
You mean the masks 99% of people wore? Yeah that’s my point. glad you agree
>but if you work with covid patients
Applies to such a small subset of the population it doesn’t matter in terms of public health. It’s a work specific hazard. Does everyone need 24/7 eye protection because welders wear it while working?
>You mean the masks 99% of people wore?
in burgerland maybe. here in germany ffp2 was standard.
Well nothing outside of America matters especially on what should be a gun thread
I bet you get a high viral load by taking gllons of pozzed cum up your ass everynight, you fricking homosexual.
i think you're just afraid of illnesses because you can't shoot them, and instead of expressing your fear you project machismo
>i support child abuse
Latina or southeast asian? Either way I’m getting old enough to understand the appeal.
nta but wearing a mask when you're sick in public is a considerate thing to do. morons went overboard with it, but it's still a good practice.
>nta but wearing a mask when you're sick in public is a considerate thing to do.
Good thing to do to stay home when you are sick.
This is positive side of the coronal virus hysteria that people are hate looking at coughing people and shame them to stay at home and employers are more acceptable towards giving sick leave to cold sick people.
Do those kids look abused to you anon. Looks dumb but it's not really abuse.
Oh no not my freedoms.
Also >cuckmuzzle is an emotional name you've given it because you're a woman.
I do think the idea of wearing them in personal cars or outside was dumb, the US and Aus did that, but in the UK or France I think you only needed them indoors with others or on public transport after the first week of stay at home orders, and generally you were able to go to close friends and family if you were on the down-low about it, you know rational governance.
I can be pro mask and still think the broad laws created by some countries to stop people trying to skirt the changes were ultimately silly, but necessary in the moment. People, particularly morons, are often resistant to change. You often need overarching legislation in the short term to get people to do anything when the world changes so they change with it, this can lead to silly laws, but they should get repealed to more rational ones when people are ready to accept the change, unlike what happened in Aus where they did not repeal it at all.
I don't understand why a nuanced opinion on this issue causes so much seethe, it's like they have a dog in the race, an emotional attachment to using a mask kek. I wear glasses, it's incredibly annoying to wear a mask due to fogging in winter, and yet I still wouldn't mind wearing one in public if I was mildly ill somehow, or there was some disease ripping through the population.
Meds. It was spread mostly by surface contact because of masks.
You have been fed propaganda by online grifters that prey on the disenfrachised, similar to Jehovahs witnesses.
>Demonstratable
Yeah, ok, whatever you say. Try.
>don't understand why a nuanced opinion on this issue causes so much seethe
Because the Black person spends time on twitter. You can spot these morons from a mile away with how emotional and hype fixated they become over whatever topic is their personal crusade in the moment.
Did you wear your cuck muzzle alone in the car?
>this assblasted over being called a maskBlack person
Holy fricking projection
You will die in a FEMA camp. Sell your guns.
The problem with masks is they're completely unnecessary because covid isn't a big deal. I've had it. It sucks for 3 days then you're fine.
Rddit tourist detected
If you can't survive the common cold you can't survive anything, getting a little sick sometimes is good for you. Training your immune system is as important as leg day.
>2020 gun owner
Like he actually owns guns in the first place
it's a workout for your immune system pussy
george washington is shaking his head in his grave
like I give a frick
Nobody gave a frick about masks until it became a fricking crime to not wear one.
Lead projectiles, lead smoke from lead primers, lead dust from other people's guns and gunsmoke, lead on surfaces in general. Just wash your hands and shower
Modern bullets are all copper jacketed. Unless you're doing handloading or recycling the lead it's nearly impossible to even touch the lead much less get exposed enough to suffer lead poisoning.
Unless you're dumb enough to think lead is naturally red.
You have no idea what you're talking about. They have tested the lead levels of people who regularly shoot guns
Yes, after they've just shot a gun. Simply carrying the gun will not expose you to lead and you can remove most of it down to trace levels with a wet wipe or hand soap. Frankly, you're getting more lead exposure from soldering or old paint.
Blood test my man.. you can't use wipes on your blood
No, the human kidney is actually pretty good at cleaning the blood. This is, of course, assuming that you are using a partial copper jacket and not a full jacket or simply using solid copper rounds.
Honestly, worrying about lead is just alarmist. You can test and treat lead poisoning easily, just know the signs.
the kidneys are where heavy metals wreak havoc, interesting coincidence
moron.
This, I used to work at an indoor range and even with regular exposure, my levels were consistently well within the safe range. Wash your hands and don’t lick the floor and you’ll be fine.
you piss test for blood moron
>((They)) have tested the lead levels of people who regularly shoot guns
I'm sure said tests were wholly unbiased, and free from slant or sleight.
lead poisoning is a israeli psyop obviously -_-
Are you claiming that in OP's case, it is not?
The opinions of AI slop posters can be safely ignored. They're not even smart enough to clean up the moronic dyslexic letter vomit.
holy frick are we really at the levels of moronation that we think lead poisoning is a israelite op?
youre a fricking idiot you absolute low IQ,sinking in cum, dumpster brain.
https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-017-0246-0
https://news.iu.edu/live/news/23716-iupui-scientists-find-risk-of-lead-exposure-comes
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1865252/
https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article/181/9/1121/4159842
>source 1
> In 31 studies BLLs>10 μg/dL were reported in some shooters, 18 studies reported BLLs>20 μg/dL, 17 studies>30 μg/d, and 15 studies BLLs>40 μg/dL.
> For occupational shooters and firing range workers, the U.S. OSHA Lead Standards require general industry workers to be removed from lead exposure when BLLs are equal or greater than 60 μg/dL, and allows them to return to work when their BLL is below 40 μg/dL
“Some” being the keyword
>source 2
Doesn’t list methodology or data or any links to either
>source 3
> The use of copper-jacketed ammunition may decrease air lead levels and decrease lead absorption by range instructors.
Also
>authors: R.L. Goldberg
Anon…
I’m actually not disputing shooting increases your lead levels. What I am disputing is if that matters at all. See
damn that's crazy.
people that are full time shooters and spend all day every day at shooting ranges have higher lead in their blood.
that's, like, really wow, guess that means everyone that owns a gun gets lead poisoning.
You do, because there's no safe exposure limit.
>muh linear zero threshold
I don't care about your psuedoscience bullshit.
:/
Black person israelite up to his usual tricks.
Which studies and done by whom?
that's really weird they'd use a Swiss P210 of all guns as the outline for this infographic.
Only people that shoot inside need to worry about it.
Indoor gun ranges do monthly blood tests on employees. It's a nothing burger if you shoot in well ventilated areas
lead primer b***h
How big do you think a primer is?
catalyst primers says hello
the lead exposure from shooting comes from primes containing lead styphnade and lead oxide. Unless you're shooting soft lead handcasts into a steel target you shouldn't worry too much about actual lead metal. (unless indoor)
>He doesn't know about .22LR...
>he hasn’t worked up from .22LR to build an immunity
NGMI
>.22lr has entered the chat
>Use pic related on hands and face
>Change shoes and clothes before getting in your car and put lead exposed shoes/clothes in trash bag then in trunk
You are literally breathing in the lead when you shoot. You can't stop unless you wear a mask. You can go full Covid 19 level autism and it still won't stop you from regularly ingesting lead.
That's like saying wearing headphones causes tinnitus, I mean yeah but not really. Anyhow you're a giant moron
The poison's in the dose.
whats your point?
Lead gets expelled via urine and feces, unless you shoot everyday in an indoor range with shit ventilation, and never wash your hands you should be relatively fine just using the wipes. Wearing a fabric mask is also fine, but shooting outdoors in general reduces lead exposure. Taking breaks between long shooting sessions also lets your body expel excess lead instead of accumulating it constantly. Basically, don't be a tard.
got my lead levels checked last year. no detectable amounts.
I shoot steel, cast my own bullets, etc. just don't pick your nose before washing your hands.
They have done testing of light hobbyist shooters who have noticeable higher levels. If you are doing what you say you probably took a shitty false test
Do you have a source for any of these supposed tests?
CDC and FDA research
>hurr, I said the name of a group that means you're not allowed to question me.
Not spoonfeeding you moron.. type it in google and try reading some studies
So that’s a no
which is why you linked them instead of making shit up.
moron. I only use lead free ammo. Both for my own health and because I like 80% shoot on my own land, 19% on public land, and barely ever at a range. I don't want a bunch of lead around my own property nor public property. Even people who do use lead ammo have the option to go for TMJ.
Yeah a lot of shooters use FMJ lead ammo, and on top of that aren't that careful about washing and exposure though most are. But that's a choice not an inevitable part of gun ownership.
>nooooooooo you can't enjoy your hobby you'll literally die!!!!!!
frick ya mudda
Wash your hands and face, slob.
I'm gonna die?
Cool.
I'm gonna go magdump into a log and eat a cheeseburger later without washing my hands tomorrow because I know it'll do nothing to me. It's the white lead oxide that's actually dangerous you baitgay
Don't shoot indoors.
technology is also solving this problem, lead free primers (the main source of lead exposure in shooting. More so than the projectile) are now a thing
Unless you are working at an indoor range or keeping your steel targets in your car or something, you'll be fine.
Lead isn't plutonium. Unless you do something moronic like collect expended bullets or sweep an indoor range bare handed and then eat a bag of chips you'll be fine. Most range exposure is safe with common sense. Lead salts and compounds are WAAAYYYY more toxic than metalic lead because they're much more bioavailable. Just handle lead like garbage - a little garbage on your bare hands is fine, but you wouldn't want to eat with those hands until you washed them. A larger amount of garbage requires gloves. You don't want to breathe in garbage fumes all day, so ventilate. Don't let kids play with garbage. Treat the lead used in shooting and fishing the same way, and you'll be fine.
bros, when I was a kod I used to go hunting with my air gun carrying the pellets in my mouth and I remember swallowing some, how fricked am I?
>asian fetish
Already showing signs of lead poisoning
>fetish
I like hot girls of any race and you sound like a middle-aged, obese white woman
Nobody tell OP about damage from microplastics or she'll blow a fuse.
Drink milk. The lead uptake pathways are ones that are actually supposed to be calcium uptake pathways, and they uptake calcium better than they uptake lead, so if you give yourself a diet rich in calcium, your body will uptake calcium in preference to lead and the lead will be passed through your system.
Why not chalk and egg shell?kyssv
Unless you're doing shots from the spent casings the lead exposure from shooting is negligible. You'd sooner have a nice day by heavy metal poisoning through eating seafood
1. Wash you hands and change you clothes after handling firearms
2. Don't put your guns or ammo in your mouth
3. Don't eat or drink at the gun range
4. Only shoot at outdoor rages or indoors at ranges with certified air filtration systems
5. Do not lick the gun range floor
There. I have successfully mitigated 99% of all firearms-related lead exposure. Now stop being autistic.
>4. Only shoot at outdoor rages or indoors at ranges with certified air filtration systems
How do you know if your in door range has one?
There should be a slight breeze going downrange, there are giant ass vets along one side, they have buttons by the range counter that say "Range air filter", there is giant air ducts on top of on the side of the building, ect
Certified air filtration systems come with a HELA certificate from the manufacturer.Good ranges will have this posted. Otherwise you could ask management to see theirs. Is this autistic? Yes. But this while thread is autistic so whatever. Make sure whatever certificate it has actually has an ISO mark since those are controlled trademarks and the installer can be sued if they use the mark but don't meet the standard.
*HEPA certificate
>2. Don't put your guns or ammo in your mouth
It just reminded me the warning to not eat the claymore mine.
Is this going to be the next DNC funded gun grabber psyop? if you own guns you have lead poisoning which makes you moronic so we have to take your guns away?
If it is, I'm saving this thread for posterity/hilarity.
They wouldn't go that way, they would try to push the enviromental angle
90% of lead poisoning can be avoided by not shooting at a indoor range (I work with air filtration units and I've never seen a single indoor range in my life where, even new, the lead and PM2.5/PM10 levels weren't tens of times higher than recommended safe levels) and not eating while you're shooting and washing your hands and clothes afterwards. If you want to go the extra mile don't wash your range clothes with your regular clothes and get checked at least once every 2 years for lead blood levels.
Most people don't shoot enough to warrant going above my first 2 advices, and if you do shoot enough to be worried simply remember that lead poisoning and its effects are PERMANENT.
Lead blood levels won't tell you how much lead you have already assimilated into your bones.
Everybody in this thread is saying their blood levels are fine like they are safe. It doesn't work that way. It's lifetime exposure that makes you moronic. Not your blood levels on the day of the test. You could lose have your IQ to lead posioning but if you haven't been exposed in a while your blood levels will be back as fine.
>makes you moronic
With lead poisoning by the time your IQ is noticeably lower you're already going to be dealing with far more serious and dangerous side effects. Blood lead levels are ok to use as a unit measure if you take them regularly. You should get specific testing done like bone etc only if you already have been shooting indoor for years, you suspect you have had lead poisoning for a good while and never had your blood tested. (in any case they will still test your blood as it is the quickest way to determine your situation)
The only cases where someone has a lot of lead deposits and not much in the blood would be kids who munched too much lead paint as kids to the point of having a stunted mental development but they also tend to die early from related complications
My understanding is that if somebody got a good exposure 10 years ago then got no further exposure, that wont show up in a blood test, only a bone test. And it's still important because it's part of your cumulative lifetime dose.
>get checked at least once every 2 years for lead blood levels.
Let's say you get checked and they are too high. What can you do about it? Does your lead blood levels go down over time if you stop shooting?
>What can you do about it?
Chelation therapy if it's still in your blood. then find what is giving you exposure and limit it. the one that has accumulated in the bones and some organs then it's too late and you're stuck with it
supposedly, norm for lead in blood is 10 μg/dL. Last time i checked i had 26,5 last time ive checked. 21 years of shooting.
And here is one of the morons right here. How much lead is in your bones, anon? Your blood levels only matter immediately after an exposure. You are so moronic already you don't even understand what you are testing.
chill out dude, i work in the copper smelter, these tests are mandatory here. I don't give a frick and doc said that as long as its not >50 i don't have to worry.
Just an example that even if you are extreme case there is not much to worry.
How DARE you insert logic and sanity into OP's manic phobia!
unless you're shooting every day, the water you drink & the vegetables you eat have more lead than what holding a gun will ever give you
currently, eating applesauce is apparently worse than being shot...
Silly pussy wanker.
>literal fricking fresh water pipes used to be made from lead
>gasoline used to use lead as a antiknock additive
>science finds out exposing ourselfs too massive amounts of lead is a really bad thing
>autistics morons interpret this in the future as any infinitely small amount of lead will heckin kill you
Dumbass op
Lead water pipes are actually safe so long as your water is sufficiently hard and alkaline because a coating of calcified limescale builds up on the inside of the pipe protecting the water from any contact with lead. Flint happened because the black city council switched to a cheaper source of water so they could embezzle more money and the new more acidic water source ate through the limescale coating and started leaching lead into the drinking water supply.
same thing has happened to other places, but they instead cleaned the pipes with (safe to drink) additives to remove the scale (as a way to cheapen repair costs), and now everything is lead-leaden
Dying earlier is underrated. Beats dying from dementia.
Lead is neorotoxin. Odds are pretty good that you'll die of dementia if you have low levels of lead poisoning.
If you dont literally eat it its a non issue and exagerrated fear mongering. I handle lead solder with bare hands for most part of day and it cant even be detected in yearly bloodwork. Let alone come close to allowed limits. Plastics are way worse.
who shoots lead in 2024?
Anyone not made of money? Copper solids are like four times the price
Damn OP you're somehow worse than germophobes. Go chug EDTA if you're so afraid of trace amounts lead you hysterical homosexual.
Jokes on you I was already moronic when I bought my first gun.
I am sitting in a room next to a garage and I can smell the (leaded) petrol from the car in there. I'm sure a bit of fun isn't going to do me any worse.
What I always find funny about people freaking out about lead exposure from shooting is they never mention professional shooters. Guys like Jerry Miculek would be madder than a hatter. He’s 70 and shoots more in a year than any of us do in a lifetime and he’s been doing that for his adult life. Yet he’s fine
>buhubhmuh hes outside!!!!!!
Yeah, wash your hands after you shoot and before you eat. Shoot in well ventilated areas. If range smells like the gunshots leave. A range should have a fan blowing everything downrange.
I'm statistically more likely to die driving to work to slave my life away. I want the REGOOLATERS to let me fricking poison myself with lead. At least Im having fun at the range.
unless you're bullets every day you shouldnt be concerned with lead poisoning
ok moron how much lead am I exposed to and how much will my body retain per:
45 FMJ fired
556 FMJ fired
308 win fired
12gauge 00 buck fired
from a:
semi auto,
bolt action
with and without a suppressor
otherwise
shut the frick up and go back to jerking off to anime with you homosexual social outcast discord "friends" you fricking exile
The men who built the whole western world played with lead toy soldiers when they were kids and drank water from lead pipes their whole lives. I don't think going shooting once or twice s month will be too dangerous...
I decided against the gas buster.
Read pottenger.
Wow, she's literally me.
lmao is this the new antigunner tactic after failing in every other fricking avenue?
>lmao is this the new antigunner tactic after failing in every other fricking avenue
The EU is actually going for a lead ammo ban to get rid of guns
Surprised California hasn't gone that route considering everything causes cancer already.
They did, years ago. But I think it’s just for hunting with lead ammo
the concept of washing your hands is lost upon the moron.
My gf wants to go to the gun range, but she has several birth defects like congenital hearing loss and only one functional kidney. I know there are precautions we can take, but it still worries me.
if it's indoor just avoid it for her. if it is outdoor it's fine as long as you're not going shooting every day with suppressed stuff that jizz gasses in your mouth
i like to lick the funny grey powder in the slide and the table after i'm done at the range
I want to die early, that's why I smoke cigs too
You deserve a very severe case of sudden violent lead poisoning.
>Black folk eat a lot of lead because they're stupid
>Lead makes you stupid!
ok
Lead or xenoeostreogens.
Choose your path, western man.
neither are a real issue
>underage noguns homosexual OP posts the worst bait thread imaginable
>people actually reply
this board is shit
real
homosexual OP trying to Prop 65 us out of our hobby with scary scientific-ish sounding nothingburgers
Explains why gun shop workers are such buttholes.
do not look up how much lead is in game meat.
I've shot about 200 rounds of 9mm in an indoor range about 7 different times over the span of 5 years. Is this enough to give significant lead exposure?
I don't understand myself and my father cast lead soldiers and bullets and soldered electronics and clocks etc and he's in his 90s and I have three kids two with Phds and one a pilot. Could it be that OP is spamming anti gun hypochondriac homosexualry again? Or is lead just a super food?
Where can I buy lead-free ammunition?
true lead free? no one makes them. but you can buy solid copper bullets and reload them with lead free primers. As of right now all "lead free" ammo is just for wetland hunting which still contains Pb styphnade and Pb oxydes in the primers
https://detroitammoco.com/product/rws-leadfree-small-pistol-primers/
??
If its on my shirt, face, hands, and feet that means it's not in my body moron. Werks for me. Nothing a shower won't fix
Joke's on you.
I don't actually reload, shoot, or clean my carry piece.
I get zero exposure to lead.
I never shoot any of my guns, problem solved.
Thanks for the kind words federal agent
I love how people are too stupid to think for 5 seconds about how and why masks slow or prevent spread of diseases that spread via mucous, saliva, and snot.
Everytime you talk, sneeze, cough, or laugh you spray droplets from your mouth or nose. The mask is going to catch the vast majority of these, preventing someone from breathing in your shed viral particles.
It's why someone can go to a concert with covid and only infect 15-50 people instead of the entire fricking arena.
Le epic sciences does it thing yet again!
>Haha, I'm going to spread covi-ACK
>OWNED, epic style!
If you are sick you should wear a mask when near others to prevent spreading your illness. If you aren't sick, no need to wear one. This isn't a hard concept to understand.
>inb4 seething about being a coward or a bootlicker.
My employer threatened to fire me from my job for not getting the vaccine. I told them I'm not getting it, didn't get it, and they backed down after the date they said they would fire me was reached without me getting it. There's a difference between being a coward and a rude butthole who spreads their filth everywhere. I expect you not to shit in the street as well.
if people gather in places and freely exhale and inhale each others droplets they are going to spread respiratory infections. this isnt a hard concept to understand.
What point are you trying to make?
point is you are a homosexual. I think I have proven this beyond reasonable doubt
Yes, that is part of the human experience. Did you wear a mask all the time before COVID?
>If you are sick you should wear a mask when near others to prevent spreading your illness
you should stay the frick home.
that was one lesson I hoped people would learn from all this: if you are sick, stay home.
Not everyone can stay home for however long the infectious stage of their illness takes. In fact, most people can't unless they are jobless and live with their parents. It's not reasonable for someone to take up to a week off of work every time they get sick, unless their employer is going to continue to pay them while they do it.
which country does not have paid sick leave?
USA does not have it, which is the most relevant country in the world whether you like it or not. I think the USA should have it though.
every full time job I've ever worked had paid sick leave
benefits are part of the considerations when choosing a job
I'm a professional so I have paid sick leave. The majority of jobs in the USA do not.
the majority of jobs are part time bullshit that should be worked by highschool and college kids for beer money but instead is worked by 30 year old women trying to support 3 kids from 3 fathers
Yeah and all of these people, of which there are a frick ton, have survival pressure to go out in public while sick. They just cannot stay home. So they spread more sickness and those people they infect often have the same problem.
I was working in a Restaurant with covid-19. I probably killed a couple people.
at least i didn't get fired!
>if you are sick, stay home.
virus replication is often highest before the symptoms set in. the symptoms are a reaction to high viral load being detected by your body. as in the symptoms come after youve already been producing and spreading virus for a day or 2.
that is why the "healthy" had to be locked in as well.
Show me one study that proves lockdowns did a fricking thing. Equal population states with vastly different reactions had no correlation to death rate. Take Iowa vs New Mexico for instance.
Not sure why I’m even asking. Your a noguns germoid whose opinion is worst less than my dog’s
>virus replication is often highest before the symptoms set in. the symptoms are a reaction to high viral load being detected by your body.
damn, it sounds like you are less contagious when you are asymptomatic, thanks for explaining that for everyone.
>it's okay to lock up healthy people because they might be sick and not know it
You're a tyrant. You should not have power.
>BUT I MIGHT GET SICK! I MIGHT GET SICK AND DIE!!!!
Okay? You might trip on your shoelace and die. You might eat some tainted lettuce and die of salmonella. You might get Legionnaire's from a shitty old air conditioner. Do we have to lock everyone inside during flu season? Do we have to live underground because of melanoma? Sorry the reality of life and death upsets you. It's not morally justified to imprison everyone just because you're a gormless Godless coward afraid of his own mortality. If you think it is then you're either a deranged communist or a frightful utilitarian (both are equally bad).
Lead isn't radioactive. Its not some magical metal thats going to turn you moronic just by being around it.
>uhhh I just don't agree with lead poisoning
Address this
61309366
epic troll man you got me.
oh hey, a nogunz
sage
stop eating the bullets
lead isn't real
lol
liberals are fricking subhuman idiots
>directionbrain
keep climbing that hill
Realistically, lead-exposure is a serious risk but only affects a small percentage of shooters. Those shoot indoors and do so a lot. Professional shooters who train 3 times a week and fire 10 000 rounds and more per year and such.
Your average recreational shooter, especially those who shoot outdoors, are hardly affected by this.
Since maskgays are clearly the health experts, why don’t they opine on the tangible impacts of shooting and higher lead exposure. We have a bunch of assumptions with no backing, so enlighten us oh wise ones. Why do professional shooters not all have health complications? Why do soldiers shooting belt feds all the time not have issues?
Not a maskgay but it's simply the fact that most, if not all, shooters who are worth a shit shoot outside
I agree with you. There were also people saying that it doesn’t matter and outdoor shooting will still kill you. I’d also expect someone shooting 100-1000 rounds indoors a year, like an “average” gun owner, has no more lead exposure than someone shooting tens of thousands outside.
maskgay here. i recommend wearing a n95 mask while firing. it blocks the lead dust from getting into your lungs and you will have lower lead levels in your blood by using the mask.
unironically i think this should be studied, n95 masks are dust masks, they should work.
Use p100.