Is mass cannibalism the answer to proper rationing? It could be the return of the logistics tactic of forraging seen in the past wars of the 19nth century and all centeries previous.
Not to chinesse meme levels and maybe not even knowingly, the consumption of the enemy is not something to rule out.
Just makes people go crazy faster.
>Just makes people go crazy faster.
But you can also make crazy people go faster.
Sure, but prions are extremely rare if meat is properly deveined and the brain is avoided.
Mad cow disease infected humans who consumed beef. Prions seem to be able to get everywhere in a body, not just the brain.
That is true, but like I said it is extremely rare if proper precautions are taken. Much like pig meat for normal disease, and extensive deveining. Prions come from neurons, not from any kind of cell.
Prions are misfolding proteins. What's meat made of?
Yes. And to my knowledge, those misfolded protiens only effect neural tissue, and can be given only by, neural tissue. Neurons. Found in the brain and nervous system, and in very small amounts across the body.
According to wikipedia, "the prion is not destroyed even if the beef or material containing it is cooked or heat-treated under normal conditions and pressures".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalopathy
Also, "The typical age of onset is less than 30 years old".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variant_Creutzfeldt%E2%80%93Jakob_disease
So if the prion is in the meat, you can't get it out. If you're infected, it's going to start showing while you're still young.
Yes, that is what I mean by "already tainted". It makes it inedible. But prions are not in your average human, they develope by neural tissue consumption. This guy says it best.
A fair view. I am looking at it a little tilted. If it happened, it would have to be a massive, massive secret. One that would devistate any nations optics, even decades after that war ended.
the problem with massive, massive secrets is that they require many individuals to be in on it and every single one of them is a potential leak, especially when what you're doing is incredibly evil, as per
Agreed. The situation at hand would already have to be so beyond fricked as to make wide scale cannibalism a viable option, let alone an accepted one.
That said though, automated meat factories could be set up.
MOSTLY automated. I imagine the extensive deveining means that entire body parts go to complete waste. Probably some kind of coffin with a giant push saw that removes the head, spine area and main nervous system, leaving organs to be pulled.
Do you know what deveining is? I'm pretty sure beef is already deveined and that didn't stop people from getting mad cow disease. Prions can be anywhere.
Shit. I'm confusing veins and nerves again.
De-nerving as much as possible is what I mean. Sonce neurons are where prions come from, not just any old cell. And nerve tissue and tge brain is where that is found.
In cases where prions are already present, it's spoiled meat.
>Sonce neurons are where prions come from, not just any old cell. And nerve tissue and tge brain is where that is found.
But that isn't true at all. Prions are found all throughout the body. They're found on the membranes of cells.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion#:~:text=The%20major%20prion%20protein%20(PrP)%20that%20prions%20are%20made%20of,in%20healthy%20people%20and%20animals.
Oh man that complicates things.
I mean that's why mad cow disease made the UK slaughter 20 million cows and burn the bodies. A single infected cell could contaminate the whole world.
I'm aware of that. I have no idea how non neural tissue being able to make prions got past me. I thought it was just eating the brain/nerves but this just makes cannibalism as a whole completely worthless depending on the infection rate.
Maybe some cell soluable protien enhibitor? It's be hilarious if the secret to safe cannibalism was ground long pork soaked in aloe vera.
Wikipedia did tell me that you need to have a genetic vulnerability to get infected by certain infectious prion diseases. I guess the best method going forward would be to test meat for diseases, test the soldiers, and give the meat only to the soldiers who can safely eat it.
Just cook up to 250C and make jerky.
perhaps you could put the refuse meat into cubes for easy handling and disposal
Prions are no fricking joke, those shitters survive >100 C temperatures (above boiling) in an autoclave, 70% ethanol, and UV irradiation. I really would not trust that just deveining, e.g beef, you would be able to get rid of them
>Prions are no fricking joke
They are in a military timescale.
The onset of prion disease of any form is usually decades, it would be very rare for any soldier to manifest symptoms while still in service and difficult to prove it was a service related injury.
It's really ideal from a VA budget perspective, terminates pensions and medical expenses for the subject, will almost never require actual treatment at the military's expense because it will be pushed onto the civilian health system.
Prions aren't already existing entities. They come about when a protein is integrated into an already existing neuron or when a neuron is replaced by a new one thar has that misfolded protien. It's why I say it's rare. The vast majority of prion cases get avoided by simple deveining and the species gap. Which means that 99% of cases being avoided, goes down by maybe a couple percent in the absolute worst case. If the deveining is done and done well, and the brain is avoided, the prions won't develope unless the meat was already tainted.
This chances of getting prions is quite low on its own. The tribe that was studied for Kuru had such high rates because they would ritualistically eat their dead and transmit it to each other leading to bioaccumulation across generations.
Prion diseases also take 25+ years to manifest symptoms. It's irrelevant to a military in such poor shape that cannibalism is being seriously considered.
>Prion diseases also take 25+
Not the infectious kind. The naturally occurring kind from genetics arrives at 60, while people who eat the forbidden beef have an average age of 30 when they're diagnosed.
Prions aside, the affect both on morale and optics would be devastating. Even if a few psychopaths are ok with processing and eating enemy corpses most won't be. Support for the war would crater as well unless said enemy has been dehumanised to the point of cattle back home. On the other side, the same way terror bombing causes a country to fight harder, fighting literal cannibals would mean your enemy wouldn't just fight for peace, they'd be determined to exterminate you completely and they'd get international support to do so. Finally, there's just not that much meat on humans, certainly not enough to feed an army unless you enter decisive victory levels
Do people really think prions are the only thing that could drive a man insane if they were forced to cannibalize their enemy? The sheer psychological strain of eating human corpses without the need for any malady or illness would mind break a good 90% of the soldiers.
Conqeuring as a whole requires a minimal amount of cannibalism.
Hey Kellhus, if you're going to rely on cannibalism to supply your Great Ordeal you should at least have the balls to command it yourself. Don't mindfrick and rape your subordinates into doing it.
You Dûnyain are even worse than the Inchoroi.
>.t Tang quartermaster
is this some new russian logistic proposal up in the air. Its either the 25 years old MREs or cumscript ivanovitch?
if you want rations that can walk, take horses
Not the point. The point us to utilize what resources are at hand in an invasion of a massively human populated world.
>/k/ - Weapons & CJD Research
>/k/ "Eating people is monstrously evil"
>Also /k/ "But if you wanted to do it in a way to minimize risk..."
Theoretically speaking it would be possible to "live off the land" by eating your enemy as you invade but I image this would cause issues with winning the peace later on down the line
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Sopa de humano, uma delicia!
Cannibalism is never going to be feasible on a mass scale. There will always be a freak or two who try it thoughever.