Canadian Military Aid to Ukraine

>“Our $4 billion in military assistance includes Leopard 2 battle tanks, armoured vehicles, artillery ammunition, over 800 drones made in Canada, air defence missiles and more.
https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2024/02/statement-marking-2-years-since-russias-full-scale-invasion-of-ukraine.html

Lacking exact numbers, but Leopard 2A's are confirmed, and 800 Aeryon SkyRanger R70 that were previously announced. Armored vehicles may mean ACSVs or Roshel Senators.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    we should just pre emptively open a second front over the arctic into siberia

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically a big brain move. Take their slaves and make them yours, insist the land was always rightfully yours and muscovites stole it centuries ago.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        guarantee you, the second nato declares war on russia, the chinese are going in on that ass

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Taiwan?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Which ass, though?

          Nato Vs. Russia War uses almost all of Russia's ground forces, and very little of NATO's Naval forces. So Taiwan is as tough a nut to crack as it would be any other time, whilst Vladivostok would be a welcoming, barely defended new home for the PLA.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Considering the Chinese consider Russia a European power who imposed unequal treaties during the century of humiliation, the CCP would absolutely consider it a cultural victory to regain access to The Sea Of Japan by seizing Vladivostok.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      We tried to settle Wrangel Island a century ago. Clearly, we have a claim to all of the Russian Arctic islands that we must enforced.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gee, I wish he cared as much for the CAF as he does for Ukraine.

    Every time that callous frick flies over there I hoped the russians would get a lucky break and shoot his plane or bomb his train. Oh well, better luck next time?

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canadian-army-waiting-for-air-defence-systems-as-ottawa-buys-equipment-for-ukraine-1.6226657

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Today, the Honourable Bill Blair, Minister of National Defence, announced that Canada will donate more than 800 SkyRanger R70 multi-mission Unmanned Aerial Systems to Ukraine. These drones, valued at over $95 million, will help Ukraine as it fights bravely to defend itself amongst Russia’s illegal and unjustifiable full-scale invasion.
      https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2024/02/defence-minister-bill-blair-announces-canadian-donation-of-over-800-drones-to-ukraine.html

      What do you guys think about the Skyranger R70? These units are like 89K each so a bit on the pricey side compared to the cheap Chinese UAVs that Ukraine typically uses. They can't hurt, and these are to be used mostly for recon though ti can carry 3kg weight.

      We are not fighting a war, they are, but I do agree we should aim for closer to the 2% military spending as per NATO suggested guidelines.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >quadcopter
        >$118,000 ($87,000 USD) each
        …that can’t be right. No chance. Even Canada wouldn’t fund such an obvious money-laundering scam? Was an extra zero added to the price as a typo?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The entire country of Canada is one big money laundering scam, that's the whole purpose of the housing market. With how many scandals the liberal government has had involving misuse of money it wouldn't surprise me.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          A small price to pay for higher quality videos of ziggers getting droned.
          You're not wrong though, it better have high end fricking optics and be impervious to Russian jamming.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        For past aid:
        >100 Roshel Senators
        https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_december_2023_global_security_army_industry/canadian_company_roshel_delivers_1000th_senator_armored_vehicle_to_ukraine.html

        So I imagine the new aid package will include more.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roshel_Senator

        >quadcopter
        >$118,000 ($87,000 USD) each
        …that can’t be right. No chance. Even Canada wouldn’t fund such an obvious money-laundering scam? Was an extra zero added to the price as a typo?

        No, not a typo, check it. I think it's a complete waste and not what Canada excells at. They really do cost like 85K each and it's because they're produced in Waterloo rather than cheap Chinese slave labor. But I do imagine that they're higher quality than what China produces.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeryon_Labs

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. Should've put the money into Roshel. They make basic b***h senators which would be a decent means of improving protected mobility right behind your lines. They also make a MRAP version (monocoque hull with some mine protection) that would be a nice supplement to the Humvee fleet.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >39 Armoured Combat Support Vehicles (ACSVs) [December 2022].[62]

            So we're probably sending more. these are the non-combat versions of the LAV-6 which has a measily C6 GPMG instead of the 25mm.

            I'm no expert, but I would be sending a lot of Senators and LAV's since Ukraine needs quantity more than anything else. LAV6's have the same 25mm Bushmaster chaingun as the Bradley and 25mm ammo is very plentiful.

            I heard there's crowd sourcing campaigns for Senators as well.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              GDLS currently has no LAV-6 production going on so it's unlikely they send any. It's a lot easier to extend a production line for ACSVs than it is to restart the LAV-6 line

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That makes sense. But you'd think with over 900 we could spare like 50 or something? I was hoping we'd see the 25mm Bushmaster pinning down Russians.

                We need to send our CRV7 rockets and tell the General Dynamics shell facility to enter into war level production.
                I sent my stupid MP a long letter telling them to pressure the procurement minister to sign contracts for new shells and artillery barrels in 2022 and I just got a copy/paste “thank you for your feedback” message.
                These idiots are now scrambling because American congressmen are twiddling their thumbs and can’t authorize aid and weapon sales.

                Don't just e-mail; call them or write physical letters. Show up to their office. Request a face to face in their office when they're in town. Make a trip to ottawa to talk to them face to face.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I’m going to go to the townhall/community event my MP is hosting in April. They’re a moron Liberal backbencher who is a Trudeau lackey, there is a near-zero chance they’ll step on a single toe over this, but it’s worth a shot.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >GDLS currently has no LAV-6 production going on so it's unlikely they send any
                I mean if you want to restart the Canadian MIC then now's the time to do it. getting some footage of the LAV-6 putting in work like the Bradley would be great marketing.
                also those things don't need all of their wheels to keep moving so I'm curious to see if they can brush off a mine hit.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > also those things don't need all of their wheels to keep moving so I'm curious to see if they can brush off a mine hit.

                Correct. Similar vehicles have taken mine hits and limped back to base in the ukraine war.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >They also make a MRAP version (monocoque hull with some mine protection) that would be a nice supplement to the Humvee fleet.
            they probably prefer it the other way around and not have to rely on the US for their supply chain even if they have more Humvees at the moment. Ukraine happens to already have two domestically produced armored truck companies also based on the F-550 and got Roshel to throw together this pickup variant as well.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >basic b***h senators which would be a decent means of improving protected mobility right behind your lines
            increasingly under rated with drones taking over the battlefield

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/lCCqPUX.jpg

        For past aid:
        >100 Roshel Senators
        https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_december_2023_global_security_army_industry/canadian_company_roshel_delivers_1000th_senator_armored_vehicle_to_ukraine.html

        So I imagine the new aid package will include more.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roshel_Senator

        [...]
        No, not a typo, check it. I think it's a complete waste and not what Canada excells at. They really do cost like 85K each and it's because they're produced in Waterloo rather than cheap Chinese slave labor. But I do imagine that they're higher quality than what China produces.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeryon_Labs

        Thats pretty fricking expensive for a quaddrone.
        UNLESS its eqipped with some hardened tech that allows for reasonalby reliable operations in areas covered by zigger jammers. It might be possible seeing how russians are targeting commercial chinesium drone frequencies.

        If they are hardened against common jammers, then these would be very valuable for ukes.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, I have no idea what it's capabilities are. For the price I'm presuming it has more range, and better zoom than cheap 1000 Chinese models, but who knows? 800 high quality recon quadcopsters could help a lot, and could put less pressure on the chink-drones.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is Canada fighting a war right now, fricking moron?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you hadnt gutted your military you may have had some useful stuff to send.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/Xhww0o2.jpg

          Gee, I wish he cared as much for the CAF as he does for Ukraine.

          Every time that callous frick flies over there I hoped the russians would get a lucky break and shoot his plane or bomb his train. Oh well, better luck next time?

          https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canadian-army-waiting-for-air-defence-systems-as-ottawa-buys-equipment-for-ukraine-1.6226657

          Keep in mind canada is a pissy little nothing country of 36 million, so our previous 2 billion in aid and this additional 4 billion are pretty substantial. Note: I don't know if the announcement is for 4 additional billion or 4 billion total, so the total is either 4 or 6.

          https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

          >Sending 4 tanks
          >After the donation of 4 tanks last year.
          I know that tanks haven’t been that important in Ukraine, especially not the Ukrainian side — but still, what’s with these rinky-dink numbers? It’s probably the maximum number of spares the CAF is willing to part with.

          Similarly, is it 8 tanks total or 12 tanks?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It kind of did make sense to have a canadian fighter competition, pulling out of the deal and rejoining in the end was silly though

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Sending 4 tanks
    >After the donation of 4 tanks last year.
    I know that tanks haven’t been that important in Ukraine, especially not the Ukrainian side — but still, what’s with these rinky-dink numbers? It’s probably the maximum number of spares the CAF is willing to part with.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >canada being useless as usual
    You're scheduled to begin replacing your truck fleet next year. You could move the timetable forward by a couple months and give the Ukranians some much needed logistics capacity but instead you're fricking laundering money to some drone company that likely has some link to someone in government.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >another wasted opportunity

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Special De-Sinofication Operation of Canada when?

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Welp, my thread about France sending Ukraine more aid just got deleted so I’ll just repost it here, seeing as how this thread and Canadian threads in general don’t get Scruffed.

    >“…no agreement this evening to officiallysendtroops onto the ground but we cannot exclude anything,” said French President Emmanuel Macron
    >“The people that said 'never ever' today were the same ones who said never ever planes, never ever long-range missiles, never ever trucks. They said all that two years ago. A lot around this table said that 'we will offer helmets and sleeping bags,' and now they are saying we need to do more to get missiles and tanks. We have to be humble and realize that we (have) always been six to eight months late," Macron said.

    So, obviously France isn’t going to be sending ground troops despite Macron’s comments but what might they send instead? More long range missiles? They’re already sending Caesars. Maybe air defense equipment?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >six to eight months late
      He got that one right.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Canada is doing more to help Ukraine right now than America
    burger-land has fallen
    billions must die

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Canadians have a nasam air defense system worth 400 million just sitting waiting to be delivered but the delivery is tied up in congress.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >right now
      That's the operative word, homosexual. Our gibbs top this meat grinder would represent a sizeable portion of the entire annual budget of Canada. How about you go frick a dog instead of running your b***h ass mouth...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Given the history of legal bestiality in the USA, I wouldn't want to die on that hill as a burger.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >canada participating in TZD
    This can't be real.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      According to that it is slated to be 4 billion in total military aid, and they have given a lot disproportionately for their size.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >air defence missiles
    Do we have any to give? i thought we were without surface to air since the retired ADATS

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We need to send our CRV7 rockets and tell the General Dynamics shell facility to enter into war level production.
    I sent my stupid MP a long letter telling them to pressure the procurement minister to sign contracts for new shells and artillery barrels in 2022 and I just got a copy/paste “thank you for your feedback” message.
    These idiots are now scrambling because American congressmen are twiddling their thumbs and can’t authorize aid and weapon sales.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >every military in the world is now judged solely on what the give to Ukraine
    When you though it couldn't become any more of a joke.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    does Canada even spend 4 billion on their own military?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Last year they announced cutting spending by 1 billion a year. We didn't even meet the required Nato 2% spending before that.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >required Nato 2% spending
        No such thing. It's a suggestion that most countries don't meet.

        When the frick did we get tanks in the first place?

        We've always had tanks. We even had a shitload of T72s at one point. Most ended up as targets.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Where did they get t72’s?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They got a few as a friendship token from reunified Germany in the 90s
            But idk how many

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this question might be stupid. but why does canada need an army anyway ?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          to protect the chinese who are buying their country

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          if nothing else having zero military autonomy is just really bad politics. at best Canada would be in America's debt in perpetuity and would it would handicap all of their negotiations.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    When the frick did we get tanks in the first place?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Canada had 50 Leopard 2As, and now we have 42 since we gave 8 to Ukraine.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's like 3 weeks worth of supplies lmao

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good thing its only a 3 day special operation.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    thank you my fellow syrup slurping leafs

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