Can rock armor actually stop ATGMs?

Can rock armor actually stop ATGMs?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Change in decently of materials has an adverse affect on the copper jets that most shaped charge atgm uses.

    However this probably don't do much. But can't bkame them for trying.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >decently of materials
      *density

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's what I get for phone posting

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      So they should stack porn magazines and bibles as armor for max effect?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, how about elbow soup?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      rock strong. man weak.

      t. geologist

      This.
      It's example of smekalka.
      Low effort, low effect.

      Unironically if they put some layers like
      Stone | Plank | Stone | Armor
      So there's some spacing,
      It could help a bit better I guess?
      Or ensure these are not brittle rocks but given you're picking up some river rocks or something a glacier left behind you're not working with perfect material.

      Verdict: Slav/10
      Better than cope cage from stolen fence

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    rock strong. man weak.

    t. geologist

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      MINERAL YOU FRICKING POSER

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Minerals are weak, with their cristalline lattices and sensibility to acids. A rock, aka a chaotic clusterfrick of minerals, will always be better.
        t. Biologist but did mineralology, applied geology and palaeonthology at the uni long ago, pls no bully

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >pls no bully
          He he, nerd!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Paper can wrap rock, paper win
      >t. rock paper scissors enthusiast

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    ATGM's are supposed to punch trough tanks you know, which are known for being quite tough to punch trough. So tough, that specialized weapons like ATGM's were developed to punch trough them. Rock armor was also tough to punch trough but then we invented catapults and such. Which is some time ago. Rocks are also quite brittle, which is why tanks are made out from metal which is not so brittle. You can test this at home even, if you have atleast a two story home, or access to roof. Take one rock of similiar size to the ones in your image, and drop it down to a hard surface. And most importantly, stay safe and have fun while doing so! After observing the results, which should be a shattered rock, you can ponder if an ATGM delivers more energy than what you just observed.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be infantry
      >combined arms assault
      >you're 1,000 feet away
      >your friendly tank gets hit in the rock armor
      >see a rock flying at your heart at 500mph

      [...]

      Yes, rock armor can actually stop ATGMs from hitting a T72, but with varying levels of effectiveness. The concept behind rock armor is to provide a cheap and easy-to-implement method to add protection to a tank like the T72. This is usually done by attaching slabs of concrete, bricks, or rocks onto the tank's surface in an attempt to absorb or deflect the impact of incoming anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs).

      While rock armor is not as advanced or effective as more modern combat vehicle protections, such as reactive or composite armor, it can still offer some degree of protection against ATGMs. The success of rock armor largely depends on the design and layout of the improvised armor, the type of missile being used, and the angle at which it impacts the rock armor. In some cases, if the projectile penetrates the rock surface, the improvised armor could help to slow it down or alter its trajectory, reducing the overall damage dealt to the tank. Additionally, the use of rock armor might serve to deceive enemies about the straight contour lines of T72's, making it harder your vehicle to withstand further targeted shots.

      However, it's important to note that rock armor is far from infallible. Modern ATGMs with tandem warheads or missiles with more advanced penetration capabilities can still inflict significant damage on a tank, even if it's outfitted with improvised armor. In conclusion, while rock armor could theoretically provide some level of protection against ATGMs for a T72 tank, it should not be relied upon as the primary means of defense.

      >The Cope-cage has reached the stone age

      Of course the protection rating of the armor will go up as the total amount of material goes up. Armor alone < armor+rocks. How much better that small layer of rocks is going to be is hard to say, probably not much. Might protect the ERA from going off due to small arms fire?

      https://i.imgur.com/ZctiTpm.gif

      >new generation of ATGM
      >new generation of Rock armor
      this timeline man

      *armour

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        No gun no opinion eurotrash.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >spotted the bong

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't really see why it couldn't, the real question is effectiveness for the weight.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/RjThVW1.jpg

      ATGM's are supposed to punch trough tanks you know, which are known for being quite tough to punch trough. So tough, that specialized weapons like ATGM's were developed to punch trough them. Rock armor was also tough to punch trough but then we invented catapults and such. Which is some time ago. Rocks are also quite brittle, which is why tanks are made out from metal which is not so brittle. You can test this at home even, if you have atleast a two story home, or access to roof. Take one rock of similiar size to the ones in your image, and drop it down to a hard surface. And most importantly, stay safe and have fun while doing so! After observing the results, which should be a shattered rock, you can ponder if an ATGM delivers more energy than what you just observed.

      Rock is a substandard ceramic. It might have an effect but I wouldn't trust it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why not use Corundum instead of plain old rocks?

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not really, rocks are not particularly dense and shaped charges are regularly used to perforated oil well rock formations.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be infantry
    >combined arms assault
    >you're 1,000 feet away
    >your friendly tank gets hit in the rock armor
    >see a rock flying at your heart at 500mph

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Can rock armor actually stop ATGMs?
    yes, if you bash ATGM operator with it.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    there actually is some validity to this. I'm not sure how well it would work... I don't know how I feel about this tbh

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I am curious as well. I don't expect it to defeat an ATGM but I do wonder just how much it fricks with it. Shaped charges are all tested against solid, rigid targets. Not loose bullshit. So i'd love to see what happens.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't have a source at hand, but I herd dem wypipo use explosives to blast trough rock.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there actually is some validity to this.
      There is none, this idiot is having one of his moments.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        rocks would I assume interfere with the shape charge jet. lots of rocks with variable geometry can also have the rocket / round ignite early/ deformation or possibly would cause a deflection. I'm not saying it would work, but it's an interesting concept that would be interesting to see video of how it holds up

        • 11 months ago
          Russian translation service

          >rocks would I assume interfere with the shape charge jet.
          They wouldn't in any significant capacity, path of less resistance and all that.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            if there are enough layers of them I think it would have some effect though

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              There aren't enough layers of them, once impacted they're all flying off at random, fragmented. They're pebbles, not a ring made out of concrete.
              The way you spend hours trying to justify this jerry-rigged shit is embarrassing to watch.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                lmao, I'm not justifying anything just genuinely curious

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Change in decently of materials has an adverse affect on the copper jets that most shaped charge atgm uses.

      However this probably don't do much. But can't bkame them for trying.

      this. while the gronk idea was probably "ROCK HARD NO SMASH BY SPICE ARROW"

      it all comes down to Material/fluid dynamics, homogeneous material has less turbulent penetration. phase troonysition is bad. that why sandwich armor is used. this combines with space armor. you want disturbance and space for disturbance to propagate. path of the least resistance, etc. so lose rock with not be too bad as some stuff like quartz is kinda hard and hard good like ceramics.

      buuuuuuuuut weight/performance is probably terrible, fiberglass + ceramic tiles epoxy is probably better but a fence and stones are cheap if your finical-lyy hit rock bottom

      Thank goodness, since it will probably end up in the water.

      >Introducing the cope cairn

      Igneous Idea right there.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think it could work. Then again, isn't explicitly what ERA is designed for? At much lower weigh?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its better than nothing, but probably not very effective against modern ATGMs

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    no but that tank is now fully protected against coastal erosion

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank goodness, since it will probably end up in the water.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I am actually extremely curious as to how effective (or ineffective) this is.
    Regardless, probably not the best effeciency to added weight ratio

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, rock armor can actually stop ATGMs from hitting a T72, but with varying levels of effectiveness. The concept behind rock armor is to provide a cheap and easy-to-implement method to add protection to a tank like the T72. This is usually done by attaching slabs of concrete, bricks, or rocks onto the tank's surface in an attempt to absorb or deflect the impact of incoming anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs).

    While rock armor is not as advanced or effective as more modern combat vehicle protections, such as reactive or composite armor, it can still offer some degree of protection against ATGMs. The success of rock armor largely depends on the design and layout of the improvised armor, the type of missile being used, and the angle at which it impacts the rock armor. In some cases, if the projectile penetrates the rock surface, the improvised armor could help to slow it down or alter its trajectory, reducing the overall damage dealt to the tank. Additionally, the use of rock armor might serve to deceive enemies about the straight contour lines of T72's, making it harder your vehicle to withstand further targeted shots.

    However, it's important to note that rock armor is far from infallible. Modern ATGMs with tandem warheads or missiles with more advanced penetration capabilities can still inflict significant damage on a tank, even if it's outfitted with improvised armor. In conclusion, while rock armor could theoretically provide some level of protection against ATGMs for a T72 tank, it should not be relied upon as the primary means of defense.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        hello chatgpt

        this post smells like chatGPT

        i swear this wasn't coordinated
        >t.58609087

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      hello chatgpt

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      this post smells like chatGPT

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Additionally, the use of rock armor might serve to deceive enemies about the straight contour lines of T72's, making it harder your vehicle to withstand further targeted shots.
      How are morons impressed by this thing when it does shit like this? Maybe they're as dumb as it is, and likewise assume any syntactically valid sentence has meaning without trying to grasp it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It literally writes to the level of the average academic paper and people are dumb as shit. AI will never be smarter than the dumb frick humans training it.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Holy frick they... They've finally done it. They've reached rock bottom.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Carlos you fricker.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Introducing the cope cairn

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Confirmed prehistoric levels of cope. Its just missing the cope cage as in pic related.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      never understood how that thing can even turn.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        With the steering wheel?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Only if it rotates or tilts a roller can it turn

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >T-72 Obr. 10000 BC

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        lamo

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >a literal ton of loosely bound rocks
    >ON TOP OF THE EXPLOSIVE REACTIVE ARMOR

    No fricking way lol.
    I would not get within 100m of this mega-claymore if I was a Russian soldier.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's a pretty good chance there isn't any ERA in there anyway. And not even because Sasha sold it for a fifth of vodka like at the start of the war, they might not have the ability to actually get it to where it needs to be on a reasonable timescale anymore.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >on top of the ERA
      Holy frick I didn't even notice
      That tank is gigantic claymore mine

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        and you wonder why ruskie tankies gets no infantry support

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      ERA contains a small amount of explosive, it wouldn't be enough to shift all those rocks.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It’s from about 2017, Azeri I think.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The Cope-cage has reached the stone age

    Of course the protection rating of the armor will go up as the total amount of material goes up. Armor alone < armor+rocks. How much better that small layer of rocks is going to be is hard to say, probably not much. Might protect the ERA from going off due to small arms fire?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They have to have removed the ERA before adding this, I refuse to believe they are that stupid.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      All that's going up is that turret, and those rocks are going to act like the ball bearings in a claymore.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes it's called the crumple zone. you know nothing about warfare

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You see Ivan. If bring Hesco-Bast from base with you, you always based.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Rock absolutely can stop ATGMs. The problem is, they got a bunch of useless stones instead of The Rock.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder if it would disrupt the hit somewhat or redirect it a little if so it might have some validation but yeahh it reeks of desperation and material shortage

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not even reinforced concrete
    FRICKING STONE AGE
    AYY LMAO

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have never seen anything pen a mountain so if it's thick enough it'll work.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did you know Russia has R-O-C-K-S?

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but now your turned your T-72 into a bouncing Betty when the turret goes flying because an ATGM hit it on the top.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I need video of this thing exploding and mulching all infantry within 30m with flying rocks.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Igneous Idea right there.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Underrated

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I will never stop hating you, Carlos. Especially since I'm gonna' have to give you that one. You fricker.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gneiss one, anon.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I will never take ERA for granite again

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I will never take ERA for granite again

      Frick you both.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/S4DJcy5.jpg

      Gneiss one, anon.

      I will never take ERA for granite again

      CARLOS!!!

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >questioning the validity of stone and concrete vehicle armor
    you don't belong on /k/.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They never used shaped charges against the killdozer and it used a composite of concrete and steel plates.
      Homogenous concrete wouldn't do much good, see Eben-Emael.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh frick off. Don't you even dare compare Killdozer to this shit. Killdozer wasn't meant to go up against ATGM's & RPG's in a fricking warzone (though they were thinking of calling in an Apache since the cops couldn't do anything), and wasn't being thought up of by the so called "second most powerful nation" on Earth. It was made by one dude who only wanted to frick over those who fricked over him and it was only meant to stop pistol & rifle caliber rounds.

      This is North Korean levels of pathetic-ness.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Grug-tank gets hit and explodes
    >Turret goes flying
    >Bonus meteor shower upon any surrounding infantry

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be muslim Russian infantry
    >T72 with rock armor gets blown up
    >hundreds of rocks get blown outwards
    >high velocity stoning
    For fricks sake.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    At least the turret comes pre-packaged with landscaping rocks once it goes flying through the air. It would make for a great lawn ornament.

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It seems like a rock solid idea.

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    New cope cage just dropped

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Copying Finnish tactics, when the ammo cooks off you can use it as a sauna

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >new generation of ATGM
    >new generation of Rock armor
    this timeline man

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but it needs to be the right kind of rock
    https://fromtheswedisharchives.wordpress.com/2018/10/13/protection-against-shaped-charges-1955/

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Javelin hits the turret
    >turret stays intact
    >rocks get crushed and fly away at subsonic speeds
    >rock shrapnel damages optics, antennas, IRA
    >infantry in 20 meter radius gets killed or crippled

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would this effect be dampen if they used Infantry armour before the rock armour?

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but it needs to be about 1/2metre thickness, so practically no.

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    for all the smoothbrains out here, that's an Azeri tank.

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    when in doubt, turn your tank into a castle.

  40. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you put plants in there would it work as camouflage?

  41. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ceramics are just very expensive rocks, so yes.

  42. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    ROCK AND STONE

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Escort duty is on!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/GIrQS68.png

      Escort duty is on!

      WE'RE RICH

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      BROTHER

  43. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What about water armor?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would work, but would be even heavier and more difficult to work with

  44. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >from scooby doo to fricking flintstones in a year

  45. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    as I understand it NERA uses alternating materials to disrupt the motion of a projectile. Rocks are not particularly strong but would the alternating matrix of rocks and air voids be enough to make a fin round veer of course and impact at an angle reducing its penetration?

    pic unrel

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      or would the rocks behave more like spaced armor?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >as I understand it NERA uses alternating materials to disrupt the motion of a projectile.
      NERA uses dynamic movement principal
      http://xrayct.com/documents/data/IBS19/TB611523.pdf
      Cassette is installed with angle. Jet passes cassette and it's sides start moyvung (bulging outside). In case of just NERA middle layer is rubber and steel plates are bulging by shockwave jet creates passing the rubber. Explosive reactive armor has explosives in the middles and steel plates are moved by its explosion.
      Plates moving outside intersect jet moving sideways into jet and disturb jet.

      As you can see it's very specific arangement, with 3 thin layers, angled installation. "Just rocks" are nothing alike.

  46. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    GRUG LIVE IN CAVE WITH TRIBE, ROCK FOR CHOPPER, NOT ARMOR

  47. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm impressed at the effort that went into that.

  48. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  49. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the atgm has a tandem warhead… probably not

  50. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >river rock

    kind of soul.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why get so sedimental about river rock specifically?

  51. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    PUMICE GANG

  52. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    A rounded high density river rock, graded to different sizes and mixed to fill maximum volume, compacted and restrained using a high strength cage.
    Could provide a means of deflecting and distorting the jet of a warhead.
    The probability of effectiveness based the variables of mineral compensation would result in it not being accepted for military purchase, but a 30-50% chance to distort low yield penetrators, in an a battlefield environment where shaped charge are the primary threat, river rocks armour is invaluable

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