Can Poland defend itself from russian invasion? Currently many analysts say that Poland is in danger of an invasion.
Can Poland defend itself from russian invasion? Currently many analysts say that Poland is in danger of an invasion.
Can Poland defend itself from russian invasion? Currently many analysts say that Poland is in danger of an invasion.
But if somehow they mobilised 2mln russians, and by some miracle there was that mystical fleet of operational armatas, squadrons of ka52 and su57 could Poland withstand the attack with it current equipment + those ordered f35s
Yes by materializing 1000 Abrams, 500 F-35s and nukes using the same magic those mobiks and fleets of Armatas and Su57s came from.
Poland ordered f35s that are due to arrive this year, hopefully before trump null and voids all European contracts
>before trump null and voids all European contracts
what
He will save the white race by supporting a Russian conquest of Europe, trust the plan.
Not only russia, but also triple the aid to israel
Russia and Israel are pretty much the same thing, most of the non arabic israelis are russian.
Trump told Germany he doesn't see the point of defending them if they're going to keep actively being a detriment, and morons have been screeching that he wants to abandon all of Europe.
Then show me how can russia directly without attacking other countries invade Germany
but that's procurement, US is being paid for those...
I asked how can Germany be invaded without russia attacking Balic states and Poland
Infringes on territorial waters
A country losing a naval war against a country with no navy trying to sneak an invasion fleet through Lake NATO? That's hilarious, tell me another one.
It was obviously a joke anon.
>Be Germany
>Let your military rot like Canada does with theirs
>Cry about Nordstream 2 and Drrruuummmmppfff because Putin won't start shit
>Putin starts shit
>Pucker and clench but don't really increase military spending
>At least they have the decency to give ammo and money to Ukrainians
>But only after a long period of hand wringing and wanting Russia to win (at first)
>Bucha n shieeeettt
Yeah he was playing hardball with them you moronic tourist. Notice that NATO members that hit spending commitments didn't get much shit from him?
It was even worse than that:
>Be Germany
>Let your military rot like Canada does with theirs
>Never hit NATO defense spending commitments
>Actively and financially support the one nation that NATO was designed to counter
>ape out when the US calls you out for your duplicity
You got a lotta nerve, Klaus. At least the French help the US out with more than just words every once in a while.
Letting former East Germans take political office after unification was a mistake.
Agreed with a caveat that West Germans suffered from demoralization shit from the KGB and also have a bit of cuck to them as well. Scholz was a massive cuck*1 until the whole 10 cent coup attempt went down. Then he grew a spine. I'll have to say that Macron probably has the best redemption arc so far as long as he actually follows through with his aggressiveness. He went from sweet talking Putin like a clingy girlfriend on his phone to extoling the French bloodlust of the past which was great.
>[1] He supported the Freudenberger Kreis, a Marxist wing of the Jusos' university groups, arguing that society should "overcome the capitalist economy" in one of his publications.[9] In it, Scholz criticized the "aggressive-imperialist NATO", the Federal Republic as the "European stronghold of big business" and the social-liberal coalition, which puts the "bare maintenance of power above any form of substantive dispute".[10] Referring to this period in his life, Scholz has later said that he "made almost all possible mistakes at some point".[9]
I like the new makeover Macron. I'm a bit disappointed with Congressional foot dragging but the border crisis (which Russia is very much a player to with China) is definite non-kinetic warfare frickery much like what happened with Eastern Europe plus Finland when it came to "refugees" on their borders being shipped in by the trainload. Just wished TZD was also mixed together with total wall domination as well. That or outright going after Chinese and Russian nonkin warfare games that amplify the "migrants."
No, he pressured NATO countries that don't hit the required percent of GDP towards military spending to get their shit together so that they might be mildly useful in the event of war
For frick's sake he said that he'll encourage russia to do whatever they want
He also said that he will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it. For frick sake you can't take everything he says literally.
wall cost money, pulling out of NATO does not (i the short term)
Except Poland can actually do that by casting a simple spell: “Summon Greater NATO”
>could X do Y
>no
>but could X do Y if it wasn't X but a fantasy version Z instead
What is even the point of this discussion?
What?
>could X do Y
>no
>but could X do Y if it wasn't X but a fantasy version Z instead
X=Poland
Y=Russia
No = the most logical answer made without unnecessary data mining of X or Y's resource. (as it is already known.)
Can X = Poland, Fight Y, if X's resource wasn't based in reality (as in real world data) but instead some kind of fantastic bullshit no longer making it X but making it a whole no vairable of Z.
And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike.
Taking poland would be easy, it's just like walking into a mall. No one will stop you. Please invade, trust me guys, it's gonna be easy as frick.
This. In fact, as a proud Russian from Belgorod County, I would wager that Putin could easily take Poland, Finland and the Baltics at the same time to show up NATO.
As a proud soldier in the Baltic Fleet Marine Corps from St Petersburg County I concur. Actually I am of the conclusion that Russia is very strong. We should just declare war on all of gay westerner Europe.
i am mike from atlanta oblast and i'm demoralized.
I am also a soldier from the province of Arkhangelsk. It would be all to easy to defeat the NATO running-dogs in Poland and it is my immediate recommendation that we do so with all haste.
not funny
oh yeah YEAH yeah easy mode mate in and out 3 days tops
Why worry about something that will never happen?
Because media experts say it's prbable
The "Kiev in two days"-probable or "In the next few centuries if Russia exists"-probable?
ukrainian invasion was "unlikely" anon
>ukrainian invasion was "unlikely" anon
It wasn't.
Military analysts were warning about Putin's imperial ambitions for a while, the west knew, Ukraine knew, I myself considered it unlikely due to Putin not having the balls.
Now that the ass is in the ass how likely do you think he'd want to attack NATO, as 4% of its YEARLY, not total, defense budget is doing this to his army?
Can you even imagine the difference in military strength between NATO and Ukraine?
This. I get that all the governments in the baltics are concerned on account of Russia being on their doorstep but I’m sick of everyone talking like war with Russia is imminent, he invaded Ukraine because he could, he knows invading a NATO country would be suicide
Half of it is to justify the costs of erecting new defenses and the aid being sent to Ukraine anon.
The other half is actual fear.
and now Polish PM said on public TV that russia is going to invade Poland
Everyone who thinks that Russia will invade anyone, let alone NATO country in next couple of years is smoking crack, moronic or have some reason to lie.
well, it all applies to current Polish PM
Please based god let russia nuke ukraine and poland and all these nafo homosexual shithives and get them off this board
2022? Yes, definitely. Now? Basically no hope without huge amounts of outside assistance although depending on the level of strategic surprise it may not be a roll-over either.
Spamming hours are upon us, with all these extremely low quality threads.
depends on the scenario, with immediate and strong NATO support, especially in terms of air power and supplies? sure
Let's assume that 0 support
No.
More important question, will NATO defend Poland or pretend they did not need it anyways?
It will tho not to the last american but maybe to the last east european.
one of one no chance but it's globohomosexual lapdog so burgers would never allow.
those threats might be manufactured by MIC to shut up bureaucrats that want to spend on social programmes to buy votes in elections - and i hope general public will get hysteric enough to support buying hardware instead of giving gibs to lazy bums.
but back to the topic - if Poland is unexpectedly faced with million mobik army it wont be able to handle it today
Russia isn't going to invade a NATO country because nukes.
So maybe Russian interference in US elections isnt a meme.
>remove Europe from nuclear umbrella
Europe has two nuclear countries with enough active nukes to delete Russia five times over.
Also Trump won't do shit, this is not up to him.
He will be commander in chief
>He will be commander in chief
Yeah. But the alliance treaty is bound by US law, and the president cannot abolish the law. Congress is the first step, and it goes from there. You can read up on it, these treaties create whole messes in countries' law systems and getting out of one is not just a nightmare to navigate through but also often requires almost if not total unanimity vote.
The president's power is limited by congress and the law in case of the US. He is not a dictator.
I don't entirely disagree with him, given how much of a b***h Germany has been throughout the war.
>I don't entirely disagree with him, given how much of a b***h Germany has been throughout the war.
Don't remind me, I fricking hate the krauts for this.
>boo hoo we attacked the Russians and we were bad, now we can't help cause then we'd be nazis
Lest they forget a vast majority of the dead were Ukrainians.
They are also bound by the fricking sentiment remnants of the occupation of the commies.
As a Bulgarian, we have the same cancer here, two pro-Russian parties, one small one who is pro-who pays it, and a Turkish one which is at least trying to move away from it.
It's a nightmare.
The parliament is full of traitors who would send their own mothers to gulags for thirty rubles.
Not only that but the U.S. military simply won’t do anything that it, or the wider bureaucracy doesn’t want to do. The President has power over the military in theory but in REALITY he doesn’t. The President could literally order a nuclear strike against Russia and be within legal bounds, ie, triggered by NATO and other defense agreements under which the United States is legally obligated to take action, and the military can SIMPLY just not follow the order. If the Secretary of Defense won’t follow an order the President CAN’T tell the Pentagon to do something because that would break the chain of command. He can fire the Secretary of Defense and get a new one confirmed who may or not obey the order, and maybe the SecDef may face criminal charges for failing to execute his office. The “Commander-in-Chief” thing is just a title that doesn’t have any real-world meaning. /k/ has this fantasy of the President grabbing the nuclear football and slamming the LAUNCH button on the first hint. But in reality the President has no such ability. The military moves only when it wants to as a organization in overall accordance with everything else.
Thats some of the highest grade copiun ive ever seen, and ive read palishills bullshit
>The “Commander-in-Chief” thing is just a title that doesn’t have any real-world meaning.
>/k/ has this fantasy of the President grabbing the nuclear football and slamming the LAUNCH button on the first hint.
This place is full of children suddenly, why is it?
By the way most people here know what SIOP is and know some basics about the options available from journalists over the decades. It's generally accepted that POTUS has codes given to him each day by the NSA, these codes are entered into the football along with a chosen attack plan (the aide holding the football, or someone he's with, knows specifics), and that's immediately either an actual attack order/EAM/whatever or is very quickly turned into one.
They have no reason to hide this. Why are you coping?
5 days with full moron defense at the border. And easy victory with deep defense. That's what shitposters always forget about.
Also NATO severely overestimated Russia back then. And Poland has a lot of new modern stuff now. There are already around 100 K2 and Abrams in Poland. That's worth 5x more than 200 Soviet shit boxes that went to Ukrainie.
Actually it's 46 K2 and 97 Abrams already.
That's not enough to achieve anything.
Make it 460 K2 and 1000 Abraham's and you might have a force to make a difference.
Ukraine is holding le mighty Russia with less.
Ukraine has like 1500 tanks moron.
>they’re winning in Ukraine
quantify winning
Cute shitposting moron. They are all doing many times better than Russian trash. Even 50 years old L2A4. And Poland has modern Abrams not old junk Ukraine got.
>Abrams is on record not doing very well
Why?
NTA. 3 confirmed disabled or killed, and at least 1 more confirmed damaged or disabled. Tanks mean next to nothing in the age of cheap ATGMs and mine spam.
so? why would losing 3 tanks mean they didnt do well?
because losing 3 abrams means they are shit
but losing over a thousand T-72 variants and over an other thousand assorted other T models means they are working as intended
You didn't see it in the news because then the MIC has to justify spending 6 million USD on a piece of hardware that will be soft or hard killed in 30 mins on the front. It's just like all the Leopards in syria.
huh? does anyone think western tanks are indestructable?
Black person France has enough nukes to wipe every population center over a hundred thousand in russia off the map
The Uk has enough to do the same for any city larger than two hundred thousand (if they launch)
that's enough boom to make russia cease existing as anything more civilized than 20000 years ago
>Poland is depleted due to stuff it gave the Ukies
>russia is not depleted because I live in homosexual fairy land
I'd tell you to have a nice day but we both know you have brown gunless hands
then what the difference between being under american or a french nuclear umbrella moron-kun
Yes. The Russians can definitely win against the docile Polish. They should draft every Muscovite and especially the children of politicians and oligarchs for free medals when they steamroll the unprepared and pacifistic Poles.
>Pacifistic
Pasifyistic
This, we should attack the weak gay polacks right away, preferably with bunched up 40 kilometer armor convoys
t. Igor Iwanowicz from Belgorod voivodeship
The amount of simple-minded brainlets like you for whom the only measure of comprehension of what is going on in the world is "well it works this way because it makes sense in my head" is always funny to me. Peak Dunning-Kruger at its finest.
Poland has an army that is 10x smaller then Ukraine and their AFD system is much weaker.
Don't know where you idiots develop these terrible takes.
you really think russia can withstand 1000s of nato aircraft? like really?
Poland is autistically obsessed with having the best army around, always been, always will be.
the only reason germany invaded them with their russian pals in 1939 was because they realized once Poland gets their military steamroll going, its not going to stop.
in 1939 Poland had the same military spending as USA and twice as much military spending as Italy did.
its pretty fricking crazy.
>pretty fricking crazy
The country not even existing on the map for 123 years straight was pretty fricking crazy. Never again
that picture is always so funny because it forgets the context that germany was demilitarized and needed to rebuild their entire army and airforce from scratch
it just shows how much the brits and the soviets were wanting and preparing for war
>NATO is hilariously weak on the ground and no amount of aircraft will make up for it.
lmao
Poland is also in the state of localized mobilization on Belarus border btw.
Yes but last time they fought was during the illegal invasion of Iraq year of the lord 2003, not a comparable experience to what Ukraine has been doing since 2014
>On the front, western tanks are at the same level of effectiveness as cheap russian ones
who told you that?
Every leopard and abrams that was in the combat space lasted about as long as every other soviet tank in the combat space. No vehicle is survivable in the combat space at this point, and it's why ukrainians are extracting injured vehicle crews on foot, russians just leave the crews to die as expendables.
>Every leopard and abrams that was in the combat space lasted about as long as every other soviet tank in the combat space.
who told you that?
we also never saw them actually get hit, we only saw the aftermath.
the "destroyed" western tanks looked pretty much fine, when a russian tank is destroyed, its dissolving into individual atoms.
>On the front, western tanks are at the same level of effectiveness as cheap russian ones, their only advantage being slightly longer range.
How about slightly better survivability and slightly better precision?
the last few months showed russian anti air.... doesnt exist.
ukraine is now flying kamikaze cessnas into russia, and poor russia cant even shoot down a fricking cessna.
>before they have to be shipped back to the US for overhaul.
oh christ it's this moron. it's scary when you recognize random schizos here.
whoa, i never saw it!
can you post it?
Learn2internet
i am looking and looking and i cant find any clips of western tanks getting hit.
are you sure it dint come to you in a dream?
>go find proof for my claims for me
Filthy Indians and Vatnik scum are all the same.
>They could collectively fly fewer sorties now than the coalition could per day in Gulf War in 1991.
just lol no
>and Russia has thr highest saturation of AD systems ever.
yes, the ones that intercept stormshadows by getting into their blast radius The ones that can't keep ukie SU-37's on the ground and the ones that let their ukies fly small aircraft into their hinterland to blow up industrial sites.
>I doubt NATO could suppress them long enough before they ran out of serviceable airframe
I doubt the russians have the systems left to cover their main troop concentrations never mind their logistics or their entire border considering the shit the ukies have been able to lob at them and the systems they have blown up.
>In a prolonged full scale conventional war, the West loses badly because the West doesn't manufacture anything but dildos and software and insurance scams.
yes, the mighty russian MIC that has to resort that has in the a record tempo figured out how to evolve the T-72 into the T-55obr.2023
maybe they are decoys or something, because none of the russian AA seems to work, at all.
when it does, its when they are shooting at their own planes lol.
>The front lines are intensely covered by Russian AA
most it seems to be doing if shooting down their own planes;
the current frontline is also shorter than the frontline with Poland would be.
And they wouldn't have to cover their troops from SU-37's
As to them fricking with stormshadow, there are several russian, ships, HQ's, ammo dumps and AA systems to many that got blown up to claim they got the stormshadow treat under control.
>Can Poland defend itself from russian invasion?
>russian
>invasion
Lol
Lmao
>2 weeks
You Black folk can't help yourselves, can you?
Poland was always the most strategically important country in europe, every time somebody tries to take on the polaks, most of the world jumps into the shitstorm.
>Every western tank that was disabled or killed in the combat space is unable to be extracted and due to designs
they extracted several Leo and have repaired them already you are full of shit.
>o every abrams kill is an equivalent material cost to a handful of refurbished soviet tanks
well gee it's a good thing that russia is losing tanks at a rate several times higher than that, what was it 20 one Easter alone?
>ocal EW capabilities and long range artillery and especially long range enhanced survivability precision missiles/drones/rocket artillery have gone up in relevance
i agree with you, but that is also a field where the russians are constantly paying catchup with the ukrainians in. I struggle to phantom how the russians would magically do better better than just poland alone never mind all of the EU or NATO
Now watch as Europe withdraws from the NPT and it turns out half of them have nuclear programs that are weeks away from functional warheads.
>nobody will start another Great War over Poland, the Allies are too weak and their airforce will not be able to get past Flak 88 fire
>implying russian nukes work
Im sure the one part of the government that never has to work and only sit there and appear that it can work is completely safe from the corruption and rot of every other facet of russian life. Also, i want russians to die over ukraine, they aint even in nato. Id hope we'd carbon shadow every single russian baby over poland.
Neither France nor UK is going to roll over and cede their sphere of influence to a shithole like puccia after firmly securing the prosperous and free lands governed by their Estonian, Polish, or Latvian partners via a firm alliance and conventional military means, homosexual.
If you walk into this part of the global village waving your nukes around, you're going to get bonked with a nuke, or a hundred. Try Kazakhstan instead, pidor - but remember to ask Mr. Chang for a permission first.
They LITERALLY sat back and watched Crimea get invaded and annexed. They did frick all as Russia asserted an uncontested EEZ over the massive Black Sea deposits which was Ukraine’s best option for developing their energy exports to Europe — specifically to stop Ukraine from replacing Russian energy which Europe continued to consume happily as if nothing at all had happened. It’s pure fantasy-land to believe things will be different in this scenario.
>6o
Cryllic keyboard? Make sure to tell your supervisor to hire someone less moronic on your way out to the front, pidor
I'l ask you the same as the first responder then
What the difference between being under american or a french nuclear umbrella
all the "but they wouldn't for Poland" is kind of stupid when you consider that the Poles have everything to break out into making their own nukes.
If the Poles weren't sure that they are covered you'd have read about the Polish nuclear program by now
i have to admit if USA gave Poland a nuke now i would laugh my fricking ass off at Russian seethe that would follow.
not give, just base a few of them in a american facility on a polish airbase like they do in belgium and the netherlands
having an american nuke on Polish soil would make them sperg out bad
My dick is diamonds even thinking about it
t. Polack
>If the Poles weren't sure that they are covered
They were sure they were covered in 1939 too. They call it a Phoney War for a reason.
But they were covered, anon. The United Kingdom declared war on Germany literally two days after they invaded Poland. That's "get the news, have some meetings, come to a consensus and publish an announcement" time in government.
no i recognize the guy. he thinks f-35s last 5 flights then have to be returned to the united states.
Imagine how moronic that would be
>And Russia has thr highest saturation of AD systems ever.
The same system that was pumping missiles to hit a single slow-moving stormshadow that then decided to humiliate them further and plunged into the control station of the battery?
Or perhaps the AD above which another stormshadow casually strolled by in full view?
lmfao, no wonder their MIC lost almost all partners
its ok we can just give them nukes for free, we got spares.
like, a lot.
Poland is in NATO and Russia would get their shit kicked back to the Dnipro river.
>Put them in the field en masse.
What for? Mass tank rush isn't western doctrine.
Remember what Javelins and arty did to Russian tanks used in such a way under Kiev?
Guess what - Poland has thousands of Spike ATGMs (which are more modern compared to Javelins), it has artillery integrated with forward observers and drones through the system called Topaz. And an ongoing state of military operation along the Belarus border. And did I mention that eastern Polish terrain is mostly forest, swamps, rivers and lakes?
If Russia didn't manage to tank-rush Kiev I don't see why would it succeed in Eastern Poland - it would be wrecked at 10x scale.
Why hasn't Russia taken Ukraine yet?
They took the russian speaking part of it, tho. And apparently fight for a bigger piece.
I mean, technically every ukrainian speaks russian, but only 20-25% identify as russians by official data.
they haven't taken even half of the russians speaking part of Ukraine
If you say so. I've never been to Ukraine, can't tell who speaks what in every area. Hell, there are polacks and hungarians living in Ukraine as well. Romanians and bulgarians too. Even greeks.
my russian work colleague(in germany) tells me, the polish army is already fighting in ukraine. so poland already cannot defend itself from russian invasion
You should punch him right in the mouth
you wouldnt, because your army consists of like 3 guys and a dog, nobody cares about NL.
just keep selling tulips and weed, ride your little bikes and let other countries defend europe.
you just keep chilling out, no need to worry.
You are from Russia, but even if you were from NL, cause you are in an alliance. You are not risking your life for a specific country, you are in a mutual defense pact.
you forget that the west intends to use their ground vehicles together with it's airforce.
You've waived away the airforce with muh AA and then ignored how russian AA has been getting stomped on by an out of date airforce with a poultry trickle of western weaponsystems
ignoring the F-35 in the sky over you because "they shouldn't be there what is AA doing!" doesn't work
>stomped on by an out of date airforce
Let's not even talk about letting a plane go uncontested for 1200km and then casually greet a drone factory. Then the same system is supposed to shoot down stealth jets with jamming craft and standoff munitions.
that kind of isn't a shame for their AA systems tough, if you fly low enough than their systems S-systems can't target you
if you fly slow enough than their radar systems will probably not register you as a high lever treat
the real shame in this case is for the russian airforce (that the AA is a part off) for not checking in on the unidentified plane b lining it across the ukraine russia border and then you know blast it with your guns
So or the russians didn't detect it, russian airforce what are you doing
the russians couldn't scramble the jets to intercept it, russian airforce what are you doing
or their interception failed, russian airforce what the frick are you doing
omdat je een tyfus kanker mongool bent jij marokaans hoeren zoontje
>It's always about people. Ukrainians have the warrior spirit. Most Polish men would just run west
On the contrary, I think at this point the Poles are secretly hoping to get attacked in order to slam the article 5 button and jerk off on Russian corpses.
Poland Is a lot more gay than most people here think
Glad to see you ziggers stick to your field of expertise for once. Invading asses should have been your method of operation, not invading countries.
I assume you don't know much about Europe beside memes. Btw Russia would never attack Poland because of nato
>I assume you don't know much about Europe beside memes.
Bulgarian here.
> Europe
> Bulgary
Anon... I...
>Anon... I...
Older than some of the other countries combined, Ruzzian.
Lower your voice.
Suck my Italian wiener homosexual
>no one is starting a war of MAD over Poland
>TFW central/eastern europe starts yet another world war...
>tell me why a country should honor its alliances
Brown hands typed this.
What blew up? Seriously. This is S-400 battalion just blew up in Crimea tier.
Mate, pick one, at this point who even keeps count?
The clowncar keeps honking.
>all western ammo is gone
>all russian tanks are still fine
>>all western ammo is gone
Oh boy, who is gonna tell him that the shortage is with USSR-standard shells, and not NATO standard, while the latter is mostly politics?
We in Bulgaria just restarted another factory to keep pumping even more shells, hope you and your family enjoy them.
yes, but simply accounting for that an then not accounting for the degradation of the russian army due to those munitions being expended is just stupid (or very intentional)
And you need even more tanks and IFVs.
How do you imagine opening a second front in a forested area where a forward observer or an ATGM team is sitting under every bush?
BTW how is economic situation in Russia? Heard prices are rising.
so all this "muh trups will pull nukes" is just stupid shit that didn't matter to begin with
that being said
and apparently ukrain is worth something or we wouldn't be spending so much backing it.
Just you know, not boots on the ground.
now go CAPSLOCK somewhere else you spastic
you claim that the russian army can just steam roll ove the border because the west is out out of ammunition and then just convently forget to mention whit what formation the russians are going to invade
you can play coy about "show me where" but we both know you are ignoring the russian losses and the degradation of it's armed forces
You're probably mixing up my posts with another anons posts. My posts are related to logistics and where the west needs to focus on doctrine improvement. I said I don't know how long russia can keep sending vehicles into the grinder, as for its artillery production it currently outpaces the combined EU and US in monthly production, and as for missiles no one knows since most analysts estimates are invalid if Iran and NK send russia thousands of munitions.
And the creation of 500,000 Russian casualties but continue, anon.
no you literal mongoloid russian mooching of german welfare. The world doesn't hate Poland, you do.
I have no idea how anyone who possess even the most rudimentary knowledge about what happened in Iraq back in 1990-91 can genuinely expect anything other than a total and unprecedented vatnik curb stomp the second they dare to enter any NATO country. Frickers are even using the exact same fricking equipment Hussein did back then.
Russian invasion in Poland, hell, Russian invasion in the fricking Latvia or Estonia would be akin to a zigger catapulting himself into a concrete wall.
It wouldn’t be quite as easy as Desert Storm, if only because NATO wouldn’t really be able to sit back for months to build up forces and come up with a plan. But it’d still be pretty damn one-sided.
What would Russia do?
And who is going to sit back and watch as Russia does the same? That might have worked before Ukraine. Now, nobody is going to believe them and their homosexual lies about it being a simple military drill.
looking at the ukraine build up vatniks will be projecting the upcoming invasion in a good three to four months before that. Frenchies alone can dump 20 000 on deployment on snap drill if they really want to. Hell, estonia with its reserves can bulk up to 50k standing army to man the trenches with reservists.
Vatniks are in for a nasty surprise getting high on their own copeganda cool aid
That is why I, Dima from Pidorsburg oblast, proudly proclaim the great monke should never hold himself back and go for it
>NATO wouldn’t really be able to sit back for months to build up forces and come up with a plan
You do realize that we knew about russian invasion a year in advance?
Hi I'm on PrepHole
I like the Poles, they get the work you give them done in time and without complaining
they have some really nice hunting
I've never had an issue with a Polish supplier or client we both didn't want to fix as best we can and they are punctual payers something i can appreciate since most of my clients are fr*nch
also good food if you ignore that dreadful redbeet soup
>had lifelong anxiety/self confidence problems
>these morons exist and think they're smart
Maybe I'm not so dumb after all.
Do you have the slightest idea what the tank battles, not just 73 Easting, but all of them, looked like from the Iraqi perspective?
>darkness
>a flash
>72 virgins (fat incels)
>the frogs don't exist, the aren't arrogant as frick and they wouldn't at least try to one up the bongs
yes, the russians victory celebration of trowing your self flat down on the ground every time you successfully intercept a cruise missile
Oh, so it's a shill thread designed to promote Russia by letting ziggies argue in bad faith by establishing an intentionally ambiguous non-plausible scenario and then manipulating it until they'll be able to """reasonably""" proclaim thay Russia would in fact not get anally obliterated. Gotchu.
You know the original has sound right? The one on the ground is also wounded in the legs from it.
If you put this military that is currently fighting in Ukraine against Poland in few years time?
I do not think that Russian Armed Forces could sustain discipline to even manage a single large town.
The Polish have that GENOCIDE spirit. I would love to see a Russian invasion for the loss.
More coalition soldiers died to crashing into each other than to Iraqis themselves. Even assuming that your conditions are plausible, that would merely elevate it from an infant beating to the beating of a 5 year old child.
The U.S. military like Gregor Clegane; big and scary, unsurpassed in violence who slaughters helpless people. But he’s also wracked with migraine headaches and needs drugs and finally succumbs to poison. When he’s on your side (The Mountain’s Men = NATO) you feel as if you’re on the top of the world, but you’re really just a nobody who follows the Mountain around, without that protection you’re barely any different from any other knight. But the boss is constantly in bed conked out on drugs, increasingly sluggish and getting tired easily. Your enemies are noticing this and are getting bolder — not yet daring to face you directly but you see a time coming in which you really might have to fight your enemies without the boss there to handle it. It’s not that you CAN’T fight but you’ve spent so long in the shadow of the Mountain that the idea of being out from under it frightens you.
Kek, I imagined a bunch of weak wristed euros following around an actual physical geographic mountain at first. The US isn't quite what it used to be, I'd say nowadays it's more like Gregor handicapped with only one hand, which is probably still enough to split a random weak wristed euro sissy MIC in half with one swing.
Anon they have 5,000 JASSMs and 300 F-35s in the USAF alone. They could demolish Europe west of Berlin with that alone. I don't think you understand how powerful the US is. It's more powerful now than it was in the late 90s, and if you don't include raw infantry numbers it's far more powerful than it was in 1991.
5,000 LR conventional strike missiles isn't a lot anon, by conservative estimates about 10,000 standoff range (AGM) missiles and drones in a 70/30 mix have already been launched into ukraine. The US also hasn't filled out the JASSM order yet, it barely has 3k right now. The US actually had higher AGM inventory in the 90s and early 2000s, most of which were air launched however.
>5,000 LR conventional strike missiles isn't a lot anon, by conservative estimates about 10,000 standoff range (AGM) missiles and drones in a 70/30 mix have already been launched into ukraine.
Holy fricking shit. This is the dumbest post I have ever read.
It's not enough. We launched 5k AGMs in desert storm in a matter of weeks. You need tens of thousands to have viable war time inventory, the current downsized US AGM inventory is still largely bulk Mavericks.
Why are you comparing USA to vermintide?
>The US isn't quite what it used to be
You can say that again.
thing is trump said he doesn't care about NATO countries now
OH NO BROWN PEOPLE DA WEST FALLEN
They're unfit
Is this fort Moore? I recognize those buildings in the background
Only in your cope-fueled zigger brain desperately struggling to cherrypick the most unlikely schizo scenarios just because they have a chance to not end with your complete and utter humiliation.
no, i hope that Poland wins alone, showing that it's self reliant and that Poles don't need charity from nations that hate them
Nobody in Poland would fight without NATO support, just like nobody in Baltics would fight without NATO support.
this. those guys sleep with both hands on the Article 5 button.
You sound very non-celebratory.
>I’m from NL
Allejezusnooitniet, ga terug naar je eigen land kankermogool.
Delusional post lmao
Russia couldn't hold shit. The ONLY thing stopping ukraine from adequately counter-attacking russia is air dominance. NATO does not have this problem. Russia's forces would've been obliterated by long range strike after long range strike long before they could dig in and permanently hold jack shit. Certainly much of eastern poland would be devastated but russia would be permanently fricked.
>The ONLY thing stopping ukraine from adequately counter-attacking russia is air dominance.
Is this why Czechia had to source artillery shells from thirdie shitholes and Ukraine is on a doomer begging tour in US?
Wasted
They source artillery shells to thirdies because Ukraine is fighting with thirdie soviet artillery. It has already been explained to you twice in this thread and you keep regurgitating your homosexual ruzzie lie like it's nothing. This is why people assume that your pathetic ass is getting paid to post here.
Ziggers are in this thread. Samegayging ziggers, perhaps.
The Japanese had a warrior spirit and still got spitroasted by the usa and ussr
See picrel
>NAFO
The pajeet is back! You have been shitting this board for a while, to a point where many of us can literally recognize your writing.
Ussr didnt do shit, baljeet. Return to your street
not that you deserve a response for being a contrarian shit-turd
Article 5 is more assured now than it has ever been. NATO just acquired two new members who are both militarily capable and eager to show a commitment to the alliance. Similarly the Baltics are wholly dependant on proper NATO functios and will be very invested in upholding their end of the bargain in return.
And the second any one of them hit go, there is no chance on god's grey earth that the United States is going to look like a little gay and refuse to join.
The subhuman ziggers in this thread are hilarious.
>"ZIGGERS could be here", he thought
>"I've never been in this thread before, there could be ZIGGERS anywhere"
bump
Wouldn't Russia already have invaded if they intended to? Why would they first invade ukraine half assedly, wait for western EU to reboot their war machine, and then invade? Sounds fricking moronic to me.
They realized western europe ain’t shit unless they’re attacked and eastern europe is too weak to oppose them
kek, invade with what? Vatnigs are pulling out everything in the stockpile and buying chinese golf carts for assaults. Russians cant cross the river theyre pointed at, much less cross ukraine.
>invade with what?
T-26 Mod. 2024
yeah, probably
our military is quite moronic (shitty training, "beton", everything is fine as long as it looks good in the excel spreadsheet), the russian one is 100x more moronic on every step
t.pole
dosłownie ja
It's actually infuriating that russians persist in living in some 17th century fantasy world where germany would be willing to carve up their neighbour. And germany isn't motivated by altruism either - Russia is just so fricking barbaric they've still yet to realise that there's much more money to be made through cooperation than conquest. I want their shitstain of a country removed from this earth.
It's the same people claiming that Europe was planning to genocide them by providing them with half of their entire budget through gas and oil sales.
There is no logic in anything they say. Their regime doesn't value truth because it would inevitably point to the simple fact that a corrupt dictatorial government that refuses to replace or even allow the critique of its leaders will inevitably fail. All the insufferable paid shills, useful idiots, and bots shitting up the internet are literally there for the sole purpose of keeping Putin and his homosexual bunch in power.
I don't think people realize how much the quality of discussions will improve the moment this homosexual country gets glasses or has its regime overthrown.
a monkey brain like the eastern degenerates does not think like that. Only ones to ever really benefit from a larger money pie, the tzar and his oligarchs, are all so fed up right now from all the stealing of the previous decades. Bank serfs cant comprehend this but money has this bad habit of losing its value the more you possess it. This in turn creates a vaccuum in their bored lives they start filling with stupid shit. Some turn to hedonistic prostitute parties on private yachts. Others, like monke, shut themselves in library getting high off previous centuries russophilic hit pieces prophesizing about how mighty puccia bear is a historical anomaly destined to rule the entire world!
Then he starts building the destined empire
>sanctions dindu nuffin!
well then my hysterical pidoraskha, you certainly wont mind them staying on indefinitely
will you beat the snail in poland?
only ones I have ever seen seething about poland for no reason are turdies like vatniks or pajeets. Still cant figure out why anybody outside vatnikstan would have any strong feelings about them
nice blog, very organic
i'm sending a message to my Duma leader in kansas oblast to leave the NATO
homosexual sovieticus believes NATO won't defend Poland because its malformed brain cannot conceive the idea of a human interaction being anything other than rape.
That’s funny. I’m a NATO country and I don’t think about Poland at all. Other than the one cute Polish girl I met.
Russia just hasn't had enough time. Given 2 more years and NATO dropping funding Russia will be able to conquer at leat 30% of Ukraine
I really enjoy seeing vatBlack folk desperately trying to project their own hate towards Poland onto everyone else.
That's understandable. All of their seething about Ukraine is nothing more than a sunken cost fallacy of being afraid to lose yet another colony they wasted trillions of dollars on during Soviet Union.
It really is the funniest shit ever watching them struggle with the infowar as much as with the actual war. Ziggers endlessly seething about Poland being free, happy and prosperous brightens my day every time I see it scrolling through drone drop videos while taking a shit in the morning.
I love being Polish, God bless this country and our allies
>But israelites hate Poland
True. Unluckily for the Tel Aviv thugs, without the support of Polish voters, it is very difficult to win the presidency in the states.
NATO wargames in 2019 also assumed the Russians were decently equipped and reasonably competent.
>No country is going to risk global thermonuclear war over PART of a city
>t. Nikita "Blinked Every Time" Khrushchev
>Sign in Berlin
>4 different languages
>German is both at the bottom and the smallest
West Germany was split into 3 occupation zones (British, American and French) for a few years after the war and East Germany was occupied by the Soviets for decades (which included Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Czechs, and Poles etc). Basically post war Germany was super muttified.
I'm well aware, I just thought it was funny.
Russia is in a stalemate with Ukraine right now. Their military power is a small fraction of what it was three years ago, and even that was far smaller than most could have guessed. If Putin invaded Poland and refused to use MUH NOOKS, Poland would absolutely frick any Russian troops stupid enough to cross the border.
Poland has F-16s. That alone would make them push Russias shit in if they even thought about invading.
Also
> day 700 of 3 day special military operation
> winning
Lmao at ziggers spamming thread as if Russia victory depends on it.
>Can Poland defend itself from russian invasion?
>Without NATO help
There will be a stalemate, Poland does not have the capacity to defeat Russia. Stalemate can be broken with use of nukes.
>With NATO help.
Russia gets btfo no but's or if's.
t.pole
Russians in this world used to believe in something, honor, respect. Now look at Putin, what does he believe in? What does he believe in??
Santa
What ALL other elites believe in: money. Connections and access to money. Buying participation of others with money in order to maintain access and connections to money. Besides that, passing down what he’s accumulated to his children. No different from any other elite since the beginning of human civilization. The only difference between Putin and Biden is the IQ level of their respective civilizations allowing for very different degrees of success. In the West, high-IQ populations can successfully organize into political blocs to force elites to share. In low-IQ peasant civilizations the elites more easily defeat the interests of the populations because low-IQs struggle to organize themselves into meaningful political blocs. Russia is in this middle-ground of IQ distribution similar to China in that the majority are dumb peasants but there’s still enough higher-IQs to run a modern industrial society, but not enough to make the elites share.
only plebs who have no money think that. In reality the more you accumulate it the less you care about it
He believes...
That whatever doesn't kill him, only makes him...
Stranger.
you see to explain that we need to go back to 7th century with the fall of west roman empire (rightful russian ancestor state)....
Russia has to restore its honor and invade Poland. No balls if they dont.
Are we going to ignore the big frick off elephant in the room...
They will invade with what exactly, mobiks with AK's?
idk, ISW says russia plans another attack
>ISW says russia plans another attack
I can plan takeover of Moscow, doesn't mean that I have forces to do it. For Russia to attack anyone they have to first deal with Ukraine, and by looking at how well they are doing, it will take a while.
what about belarussians as a proxy force?
AAAAHAHAHAHA
That was a good laugh in the middle of lecture, mate.
If you think the russians are fricked, imagine the poor Belorussians being a million times worse: They have all the problems of the russian army, but none of the technological or monetary background.
If they try some shit against poland, we'll see a "Speedrun to Minsk" meme, not a "3 day to Warsaw" one
Lol, lmao even.
Belarus can be used at best as defensive force. Again, you can't attack with mobiks armed with AK's alone.
>Belarus can be used at best as defensive force.
Can it though? Can it really?
No. The US will soon have a Russian plant as president, Germany is moronic and the rest of NATO either disarmed itself or never had an army in the first place.
It'll be a slow national suicide where the rest of the world watches from the sidelines and pretends all is fine like in Ukraine.
How moronic are you really? If Trump was elected in 2020 Russia wouldn't dare to attack in the first place...
It would, but Ukraine would have no US support.
Yeah yeah, while we are at it why not say that Trump will pull US out of NATO and attack it shortly after with Russia from both sides?
He literally did say he would encourage Russia to invade Germany (through Poland) and would not help.
Sure why not I will play, give me a source, let's look at it together.
first google search
https://www.dw.com/en/trumps-nato-remarks-met-with-biden-eu-backlash/a-68224720
Here
?si=WgnutPuQgaX23zSe
>NATO members who do not meet their financial obligations.
>Every NATO member near Russia meets their financial obligations
Here's a reading comprehension practice for you, maybe it will help.
https://apps.hr.lacounty.gov/olt/Test/1/Version
But Germany doesn't. How are the encouraged Russian troops meant to reach Germany exactly?
You are so moronic it hurts.
You still haven't answered. How can russia with trump's blessing invade Germany while not attacking Poland, Czech Republic, and Slovakia
For frick's sake, he was calling out shirking NATO members, not describing and certainly not endorsing an actual Russian invasion, you utter dipshit.
Then how will russia invade not paying countries while avoiding those paying countries then?
Yes.... puccia is already bogged down in Ukraine, how the frick can they attack Poland? Don't forget the train they'll get run on them because Poland is part of NATO.
This thought exterminat assumes that no NATO countries help Poland
>Trump is giving Russia a blank cheque to invade Poland after puting 10k of US troops in Poland
The absolute state of zigger cope
Try by fricking sea.
>what are territorial waters
So by your logic Russia also invaded Ukraine through Turkey?
no, by my logic you're a moron
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/10134658063_fca4fc3da2_o.jpg
Russia can't even invade Ukraine
>Muh Trump
Fricking /misc/ fantasies will not come true no matter how hard they try to "meme magic" it
I don't get why Russia is still trying to act tough. If it were high school Russia is the bully who gets his ass kicked by an underclassman every day
for internal stability
>I don't get why Russia is still trying to act tough
Trying to understand Russians, people who unironically believe that Europeans eat their hamsters. Trying to convince Russians and their brown supporters that 3 days SMO is a disaster is like trying to tell flat earthers that we don't live on a disc...
I wish I had the moronic Dating App version of this propaganda, webm-sized
Meanwhile in reality...
What's dumb is my dad believed RT's shit till about last year when he basically started calling for TZD
Based dad
He's not, he's a fool. But he's a lovable fool.
It was specifically him believing those adverts as truth, freaking out about the guberment making us freeze and starve, but when the truth came about after last winter he realised he'd been duped, started questioning his entire belief system, and then anger rose towards Russians the likes of which I've never seen.
I'm sure if I wasn't there he'd have just kept sunk cost fallacy believing in this shit, but a bit of peer pressure and the schizophrenic Russian media being all over the place like with MA17 in this war has made is very difficult for even those they've been propagandising for years to still straight up believe them, as long as they have an out.
>till about last year when he basically started calling for TZD
What changed???
If it were high school Russia would be the bully — who’s a giant black kid held back several years who vastly overpowers the other kids and everyone is afraid of. Although I appreciate your desire to want a bully narrative but not the fact that bullies are bullies because they’re bigger and stronger. Have the bully narrative but just own the implications,
Russia can take the cheek, theoretically yes, Poland is quite weak and poorly adapted. but if a couple of brigades from Ukraine come in, then Russia has little chance of taking Poland.
What the frick are you talking about? Poland went on a crazy spending spree, k2s, Abrams, and HIMARS are already in Poland and 96 apache helicopters and unknown number of f35s is due to arrive this year
Those people have a different view of reality. You see, for them its impossible for a country that according to them only exist thanks to the good will of stalin or Germany gibs(depends on who you ask) to be better at anything then Russia.
And to take the high school analogy further the US is the Teacher who’s afraid of disciplining (ie, what if the bully pulls a knife or something, what about the media, etc) the Bully too hard for various reasons to the great distress of the other students.
Also I’ll point one thing that I’m sure every Pole understands intuitively — by NOT going into Ukraine to eject Russia now they’ll deserve the fricking that may follow in the future. I wonder why Poles aren’t making more of an issue over this, their farmers seem militant enough about protecting themselves from Ukrainian grain.
Go guck yourself
A Russian invasion would crumble in hours and the Polish army would be marching towards Moscow like a knife through warm butter..