In this scenario we assume that it's February 2022 and russia attacks Poland instead of Ukraine. All NATO forces decide not to help and Americans packed up and left. Can Poland defend itself?
Can Poland defend itself
In this scenario we assume that it's February 2022 and russia attacks Poland instead of Ukraine. All NATO forces decide not to help and Americans packed up and left. Can Poland defend itself?
Frick no.
War in Ukraine has showed you need masssive quantities of everything, men, artilery, vehicles etc.
Poland had in 2022 literally half the number of everything Ukraine had including trained active military and reservissts.They also have alot less AA systems but that would've gotten compensated with their better and relativly more modern air force.
Now you do the math their country is half the size of Ukraine,they have less land to give and Russia could ruin more cities and concentrate its cruise missile campaign.
Could they 100% take Poland?
After the incompetency they have shown i doubt it, they would probably make it close to Warsaw and stall and then get counterattacked just like in 1921.
What about sholz cutting deal with putin and attacking from both sides like in 1939?
entirely possible.
Look at how much further away Poland is than Ukraine.
Consider they couldn't even muster the logistics to reach Keev.
They could turn königsberg into logistic hub
They could summon the Daemons of the warp to open a portal to drop their sorcerously-empowered troops into the capital cities of every other nation on Earth.
I am serious, russia have an exclave from which they could supply russian and Belarusian troops
The terrain between between belarus and Królewiec is nightmare fuel from a military standpoint, so no, they couldn't - and if they tried, they'd cripple themselves.
The only sensible logistics hub for the invasion would be Brest, and they would likely try to roll through the flatlands between belarus and Warsaw and get stuck on one of the small rivers or small/medium towns along the way.
Their logistics would fricking suck because there's no railways (and the rail system is incompatible with what russians use), so regardless of perceived PL equipment shortages they'd run out of supplies to continue pushing, and then they'd get raped by Polish arty and air support. Direct combat would also fricking suck for them because they'd be dealing with Leopard 2s right from the get go, and Polish crews and artillerymen are actually trained to a very high standard.
It'd be utterly embarassing for the russians and unlike in Ukraine, they probably wouldn't even have an opportunity to try their silly meatwave assaults because they'd get routed before they'd have a chance to really dig in and set up staging areas for their little wartime clown show.
It's really a matter of "can a shitty arab-tier dictatorship successfully invade a medium/large civilized country?" The answer is always no, even in the case of Ukraine.
You still have to consider 0 help from NATO members and potential german invasion
Nah, I don't need to consider anything beyond what I said. I'm kind of tired of puccian fairy tales anyway: your way of war is shit, and the way your forces conduct themselves in Ukraine constantly remind me of Armies of Sand. We've already dunked on one kind of sandBlack folk, we could easily break the local variety too, especially since we're kind of used to removing you vermin from our neighborhoods. If you care to disagree, feel free to come over and test us.
well, it's known that the west™ hates Poland and would rather help russians than Poland
Nice try.
i'm serious, when have you seen american, anglo, kraut, or french say something positive about Poland and ment it? answer: never
wtf are you talking about? I only ever hear them say good things about Poland. Especially the anglos.
czcze pierdolenie. cała europa nas nienawidzi bo jesteśmy lepsi od nich pod większością względów
>pod większością względów
fajny google translate jebańcu, pokaż paszport
Again, I invite ziggers to test their silly theories... again.
I don't really understand how well over 100 000 000 people can live in the land of unicorns and rainbows. Here's a very incomplete of the bullshit they believe (and based their entire war effort/MIC on):
- ground based AA anti-access bubbles are a thing (can't deal with Ukie airforce and drones)
- artillery is a cheaper way of delivering firepower and can replace air power, thus puccian way of way is superior to HATO
- tanks and men are expendable and single use, no need to maintain high standards (... then they get rekt by ukies straight out of NATO basic)
- tanks need firepower, not armor, a tank is a tank (13:1 AFV loss ratio in Avdeevka)
- rail-based logistics can support maneuver warfare and allow puccia to reach parity with murrica (Kyiv convoy, not a single successful operation since feb 2022 aside from setpiece sieges that take 3+ months to set up, last 3+ months and cause eye-watering casualties on the puccian side)
- puccians are masters of attritional warfare! (proceed to lose attritional campaigns vs motherfricking ukraine, their forces devolve and are increasingly based on foot-mobile infantry)
- puccian artillery is the best, firepower can beat precision (blow their load on Severodonetsk and Bakhmut, now their artillery is suffering constant shell hunger despite deliveries from Iran and bestkorea; last op, it was completely ineffective and the puccian underdeveloped airforce had to do arty's job)
-puccian EW is the best, GPS is worthless (every fricking jammer is an emitter, in 2023 Ukies destroyed some of these complexes with GPS-based munitions)
... the list just goes on, and on, and on. Even their wartime company is more in line with a fricking platoon. Don't even get me started on puccian regiments, divisions, and armies. It's all a fricking clown show. Frick them. Frick those morons. I don't understand how anyone can take them seriously after these last 2 years.
I do love it when zigzags think they can stop GMLRS and ATACMS
>I don't really understand how well over 100 000 000 people can live in the land of unicorns and rainbows
They don't. But they are too busy with surviving and don't care that the government is lying , this is the main achievement of the Russian authorities - to convince their own population that politics and living conditions of ordinary people are not related in any way.
>potential german invasion
You have to be 18 to post here
This. Boland's lacking in quantities, but the distance definitely cripple russia's weak logistic. And since russia has to invade from belarus, no redlines for monke to screech.
No. It would be the same shitshow as the beginning invasion of Ukraine.
On average better hardware, but less of it, less soldiers, and most importantly less soldiers actually experienced in warfare, which some Ukrainians gained fighting separatists since 2014. Also the draft was abolished in 2009, so the people the government would scramble to mobilize would be absolutely useless
Would Polish fsnatism help?
Hmm, I think it would definitely give some advantages. I watched an interview with an Ukrainian artillery crew a month ago, and they mentioned that they sometimes have problems with nearby villagers (mostly old fricks) ratting out their positions to the russians. Also, Kherson and Crimea were lost largely due to traitors in local government. So there definitely is an element of zigger sympathizers particularly in eastern Ukraine that was a big problem in early war, and is still somewhat of a problem today.
In Poland this is impossible. You would be flayed alive for suggesting that maybe at least the vatnik children should be spared from napalm bombing. Russians would have to go full Katyn-mode turbo-Bucha to suppress partisan activity. But then again the polish population is completely unprepared for resistance, with access to firearms very limited and no military experience because of a lack of a draft
There are half a million Poles who have gun licence, that would be quite a force since vast majority own more than one weapon
Most of those are bolt-action and pump-action. Hunting and sports. Poland has one of the lowest gun ownership rates in Europe. Ukraine had 4 times the number of guns per person before the invasion. Besides, it's not just about having a gun and knowing how to use it, but how to work in formations, coordinate, not get caught, etc.
This is just another Slide thread isn't it, alongside the others also popping up just now.
No, it's just my fuel for my hatred and prosecution complex
It's good to hear that no one here is delusional enough to think that NATO would help any other smaller nations
NATO would absolutely 100% quell an invasion into Poland wtf are you smoking
No, since most western people and politicians say that Poland is not their problem and that they're not going to risk their lives for Poland
Why post this.
Nobody believes you.
Nobody's gonna believe you.
What are you even doing here?
Ask common eglishman or frenchman, american or german. They'll say that Poland is not their problem
I am an "Eglish"man. Poland would 100% be our problem. Stay mad turd.
Just like it was your problem in 1939, and during yalta when you sold Poland to ussr
>Starts WW2 because of Poland
Yes, we did this because we didnt care about the Polish at all.
You can cry all you want turd worlder, touch Poland get steam rolled any Euro nation for that matter because. Its nice to have morals you see.
Where are you from? Be honest.
Before Ukraine i'd say we've have a hard time. Now? Put me into cannon and launch me on Kremlin.
We'd have to protect our Western border against potential kraut attack
There was a book written by a reputable Polish journalist - Poland at war:
https://twitter.com/FilippDM/status/1724171496552063182
It is composed of anonymized testimonies from Polish officials of varying ranks (up to a minister).
And one of the testimonies says that when the war started Polish generals were very pessimistic and were constantly saying stuff like: "Defending town X is impossible" and demonstrated a lack of spirit and aggressiveness.
Good
Yes. Because Poland of further away from Russia than Ukraine is and we all know Russia is terrible at logistics.
Lol, no
Well that would be reality if Poland was ever attacked
Probably yes, the initial run on Kiev was such a shit show that if Russia had to face precision strikes they would have likely collapsed in first weeks on the war considering that the eastern front in Ukraine almost collapsed when himars were introduced
We're not including any western aid, which would be realistic outcome