Can killing civilians during war be justified?

Can killing civilians during war be justified?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Killing innocence will always be wrong, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it if it meant stopping the greater threat.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >t. coddled millennial

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Do you think a soldier who murdered a 5 year old boy should go unpunished because he claimed:
          >I was denying the enemy a new recruit

          Killing civilians who get in the way of actual targets is justifiable, killing them just to kill them isn't. That's why the Heer was uncomfortable SS wiping out small useless villages, but had no issue with the Heer shelling the frick out of populated cities.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Wermacht****

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >but the children!
            So you immediately jumped to the most extreme example to try justifying your point?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Yes because people who are mentally ill and kill kids for no reason are automatically immoral and should be tossed in an asylum. You can justify killing as many kids as you want with ordnance if they're in the same structure as a combatant that is currently shooting at you. But doing the same when you know there's just kids and nothing else is irrational violence.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >It's completely fine to kill an enemy combatant who is 18 years old
            >BUT NOT THE HECKIN' 17 YEAR OLD

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >thinks killing an unarmed five year old is the same as killing an armed and hostile five year old

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                This kind of thinking is why America lost every single major war since 1945. You either kill your enemies - all of them - or you'll be fighting them forever.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >1945
                >Nuking women and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is OK
                >1950
                >Nuking factories and railway depots in China is not OK
                Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Really makes you ~~*think*~~.

                They are part of the enemy state. You kill them. You kill their livestock and pets. You burn their fields and their cities. You destroy their holy sites, their libraries, their museums. You erase them from the land. The only thing left to memorialize them will be the stories that are told as cautionary tales; an old man pointing to an empty part of the map where no person lives anymore as a warning to his juniors as to "why we do not do such things here.".

                >You destroy their holy sites, their libraries, their museums.
                I disagree but other than that based.

                Ever heard of hiroshima and nagasaki? It honestly save more live than any other outcome.

                Japan was trying to surrender as early as April 1945 on the single condition that the royal family would remain unharmed.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Little haji will grow up and become a big haji, and big hajis plant IEDs.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Innocents
        He said civilians, not children.

        https://i.imgur.com/6mbONoG.jpg

        Can killing civilians during war be justified?

        Probably not. It's actually morally dubious to do first strike against soldiers really. Jus in bello is generally an extrapolation of standard hohfeldian rights analysis. I.e., it's generally thought most individuals bear a duty not to harm others due to a corresponding 'right' held by the other person. So the way that is normally waived is if the individual attacks or harms you and tacitly (though temporarily) dissolves your duty not to harm them - self defence.

        You can probably predict that various definitions of harm do a lot of heavy lifting in what you are allowed to do to people in terms of preemptive self defense.

        Civilians are a actively supporting your enemy with their work, and enabling their regime with their non action. Thus, they bear partial responsibility for whatever their rulers are doing that has caused you to go to war with them.
        Every adult not in a resistance movement is part of the enemy force.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Only if they're Ukrainian

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      killing hohol is expendible since cocainskyy clicked 'scraping the barrel' there is no such thing as "civilian"

      >UKRAINE UKRAINE UKRAINE!
      >RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      killing hohol is expendible since cocainskyy clicked 'scraping the barrel' there is no such thing as "civilian"

      Slow day at Langley?

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    killing hohol is expendible since cocainskyy clicked 'scraping the barrel' there is no such thing as "civilian"

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Killing civilians is always justified. My CO had us shooting up every Iraqi village we came across and blamed it on Shiite militia.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Probably not. It's actually morally dubious to do first strike against soldiers really. Jus in bello is generally an extrapolation of standard hohfeldian rights analysis. I.e., it's generally thought most individuals bear a duty not to harm others due to a corresponding 'right' held by the other person. So the way that is normally waived is if the individual attacks or harms you and tacitly (though temporarily) dissolves your duty not to harm them - self defence.

    You can probably predict that various definitions of harm do a lot of heavy lifting in what you are allowed to do to people in terms of preemptive self defense.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >filename
    Imagine thinking she had any room to stop mustang from killing the thing that murdered his best friend while she slept well at night knowing she wasted kids that were non-combatants without thinking twice.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If we were on PrepHole I would kill you both for being filtered by shounenshit

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, if it serves a valid and proportional military objective. It's the same logic as war crimes. Nothing is a war crime unless:
    1) it's cruel
    and
    2) it's pointless

    Weapons which are cruel but useful or civilian deaths incurred in the course of tactics or technologies are by definition not war crimes.

    source: just war theory and Ryuichi Shimoda vs the State.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, anything can be justified

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, consider it denying the enemies new recruits

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Any russian speaker or anyone understanding slav runes, is open season everyday, they must be exterminated

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on the race.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If they're carrying supplies

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Can killing civilians during war be justified?
    It was the meta in ww2. What did American public school tell you that only the Americans bombed some cities?

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If they're reproductive-age men, it's always permissible.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Depends, are you having fun doing it?

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They are part of the enemy state. You kill them. You kill their livestock and pets. You burn their fields and their cities. You destroy their holy sites, their libraries, their museums. You erase them from the land. The only thing left to memorialize them will be the stories that are told as cautionary tales; an old man pointing to an empty part of the map where no person lives anymore as a warning to his juniors as to "why we do not do such things here.".

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Killing livestock and children is lame because it's unfair victory. Better to fight for a hundred years and enjoy the affair than win by cheating and rot in hell.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Based bring back ancient warfare

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >America
        >Fails to conquer Afghanistan
        >USSR
        >fails to conquer Afghanistan
        >Ghengis Khan

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >no reindeer pillow to sleep on in the steppe
          Its not fair

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Why can't I have a reindeer pillow?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Because our government has moronic concepts like "Rules of Engagement" codified into law.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Intentionally or unintentionally?

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Unless its a race war then no.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ever heard of hiroshima and nagasaki? It honestly save more live than any other outcome.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    That just depends on what one considers a civilian

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Almost anything can be justified, like all those times I fricked your mom.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Canada posting is an old meme that was not funny when it was fresh.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. They will form skirmishes if you don't.
    As for children, you take them as prisoners and indoctrinate them into soldiers for you.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There are no civilians in war, there is only alive and dead.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Only if they arent your own civilians. Not meant to be a joke btw.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    War cannot be justified as anything other than theft and murder.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Bomber Harris, do it again!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Thank God we saved the West from Hitler.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why wait until there's a war?
    You can just have death squads in your police you know.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    yes.
    Also i need to complete the geneva suggestion.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    justified? It's morally virtuous to kill your enemy.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Of course. If you're bored anything goes. Besides they can't shoot back so no risk involved.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Simple as.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Armed civilian point of gun at you.
    Enemy combatant.
    Arm civilian pointing gun at the other quote unquote arm civilian. Counterinsurgency.
    And today we have learned the difference between who is on your side and who is not on your side.

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't have to justify it if I don't get caught.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You still have to report your ammo account dumbass.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Only in self defense (including sabotage). Other than that, no.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No but why would I try to Justify it?

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