>is 18 a bigger number than 13?
do what you want. who cares? inevitably, any incidents can be written off as having been caused by your obvious mental disability.
in the old days bulbs ran at hundreds of degrees and if you put too big a bulb in you could burn the fitting.
now LED bulbs run reasonably cold, you would struggle to burn your hand on a 10-20W bulb.
but the electronics inside the LED don't like to be too hot.
most likely your bulb will not last as long, possibly your bulb could catch fire (unlikely but possibly an insurance issue)
really depends on the bulb, how the circuit inside is designed, component quality, led cobs vs the strip type etc. even the size of the bulb, a physically large LED will have emitters spread further apart so spread the heat. even where you live, the climate, the time of year could contribute
personally, 13/18w, i wouldn't be overly concerned but at the end of the day if your house does burn down you aren't going to convince your insco by showing them this thread
Post is based on the presumption that the most important part of fixture rating is to do with insulating the bulb heating up the bulb rather than heating and damaging the fixture.
LEDs get hot as frick, and pretty much all of them are rated NOT for sealed fixture
t. Zoomer who never used a real bulb. You can touch an led bulb when it's on, how can it burn a fixture.
So i went and touched the neck area (picture) of a 9w LED bulb, that's been running for less than 10 minutes. It's so hot I can't keep my fingers on it.
I'm assuming an 18w bulb could get even hotter? Would it be safe inside a fixture like OP's?
please learn to read.
nobody is saying it isn't hot.
a normal human should be able to comfortably hold a 18w LED lamp. (on average)
a 13w equivalent of 100w incandescent will readily burn you.
nobody is saying it isn't hot. but hot is relative.
old lamps used to be minimum 40W and less efficient, the point is for a fitting to say 18W max is absurd because LED is relatively cold compared to incandescent.
not that it doesn't 'feel' hot to the touch.
you touching something has nothing to do with the temperature at which the electronics inside or the shade outside will be affected by heat.
https://i.imgur.com/9LLL4GO.jpg
So i went and touched the neck area (picture) of a 9w LED bulb, that's been running for less than 10 minutes. It's so hot I can't keep my fingers on it.
I'm assuming an 18w bulb could get even hotter? Would it be safe inside a fixture like OP's?
good post. its complicated, the bit you touched is the electronic controller, the heat generated in here is to do with the design of the circuit and can be completely unrelated to the rated power of the bulb. i higher power bulb could very easily have cooler running control circuit if it has less power to drop, if the LEDs are arranged in high voltage, low current strings rather than low voltage high current strings.
i have a box of old LED lamps which the plastic has yellowed due to heat, hasn't seemed to be a problem with newer lamps.
The fixture would probably be fine, but the LED bulb might not survive in a fitting which doesn't allow adequate airflow.
>You can touch an led bulb when it's on, how can it burn a fixture.
Cut the bulb covering off and put your finger on the diode after it's been on for a short time.
LEDs get hot as frick, and pretty much all of them are rated NOT for sealed fixture
>LEDs get hot as frick
coming from google it says "No, never use bulbs which consume more power than the fixture power rating".
I just wonder how much of an issue using 18w bulb inside 13w max socket? that's 38% above the safety limit.
> 38% above the safety limit
It's fricking 5w of extra heat lmao.
It's hyperbole, moron, and 5w is enough to raise 5l of water 1c, or , you know, 5cc of water to 100c or 0.5cc to 1000c.
You're the kind of mope that thinks 5c on the hand can't hurt you because your blood vessels immediately take the heat away, go point a 5w laser at your curtains and get back to me. The fixture is rated for X, you do not go X +5w and then wonder why it melted or caused a fire.
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curtains dont have blood vessels
my hand is thicker than curtains and more conductive
a light bulb is larger than a laser dot and the energy transfer is less efficient
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Except it's not a light "bulb" is it? It's a diode that's 2mm across.
coming from google it says "No, never use bulbs which consume more power than the fixture power rating".
I just wonder how much of an issue using 18w bulb inside 13w max socket? that's 38% above the safety limit.
The low rating is almost certainly because it's an enclosed fixture. Without holes for cooling, a high wattage bulb will struggle to cool itself and have a shorter lifespan. The bulb holder and cable can almost certainly handle more than that
Have you perhaps considered buying an 18w rated lamp? 2 (Two, count em) 13w lamps? Living in fricking darkness and contemplation, which you would be doing with a fricking 13w or even 18w led as main ceiling light anyway? You'd need to look up to see if the c**t was on or not.
There are so many easier solutions than buying something completely unsuitable, then asking how to make it suitable. The absolute fricking state of this thread being proof.
> the ones rated for 18+w don't look great. > i don't have hanging hooks for two pendants. > believe it or not any wattage is enough to illuminate a space, depending on how large that square area is.
OP here. i went and bought 4 wall lights of similar style. i have 9w bulbs inside each of them. the outer glass gets kind of warm while it's on. the bulbs themselves get obnoxiously hot. i feel like 18w or even 13w would be pushing it.
>is 18 a bigger number than 13?
do what you want. who cares? inevitably, any incidents can be written off as having been caused by your obvious mental disability.
who fingered your wife dude?
>who fingered your wife dude?
Their dad, when she was 8. I assume OP got a similar fingering.
in the old days bulbs ran at hundreds of degrees and if you put too big a bulb in you could burn the fitting.
now LED bulbs run reasonably cold, you would struggle to burn your hand on a 10-20W bulb.
but the electronics inside the LED don't like to be too hot.
most likely your bulb will not last as long, possibly your bulb could catch fire (unlikely but possibly an insurance issue)
really depends on the bulb, how the circuit inside is designed, component quality, led cobs vs the strip type etc. even the size of the bulb, a physically large LED will have emitters spread further apart so spread the heat. even where you live, the climate, the time of year could contribute
personally, 13/18w, i wouldn't be overly concerned but at the end of the day if your house does burn down you aren't going to convince your insco by showing them this thread
none of that has anything to do with the wattage rating of the fixture
Post is based on the presumption that the most important part of fixture rating is to do with insulating the bulb heating up the bulb rather than heating and damaging the fixture.
t. Zoomer who never used a real bulb. You can touch an led bulb when it's on, how can it burn a fixture.
So i went and touched the neck area (picture) of a 9w LED bulb, that's been running for less than 10 minutes. It's so hot I can't keep my fingers on it.
I'm assuming an 18w bulb could get even hotter? Would it be safe inside a fixture like OP's?
Just stop posting. If youre so fricking moronic that you think an 18W bulb doesnt get hot, do us all a favor and get yourself late late term aborted
Buy one and try it out, the filament LEDs don't get hot.
Every single bulb in my house is LED, I was the one who installed them. They get hot. Even the 6W ones get hot.
Are any of them this style?
I'm telling you they're way cooler because they don't have any extra driver circuits.
>5w dimmable filament lamb
>don't have any extra driver circuits
stop posting
It's like several dozen LEDs in series, I've got 3 on my ceiling fan, on a dimmer.
Leds are really shit at dimming
on "dimmable" lamps, there's some electronics hidden in the socket that convert it to PWM
please learn to read.
nobody is saying it isn't hot.
a normal human should be able to comfortably hold a 18w LED lamp. (on average)
a 13w equivalent of 100w incandescent will readily burn you.
nobody is saying it isn't hot. but hot is relative.
old lamps used to be minimum 40W and less efficient, the point is for a fitting to say 18W max is absurd because LED is relatively cold compared to incandescent.
not that it doesn't 'feel' hot to the touch.
you touching something has nothing to do with the temperature at which the electronics inside or the shade outside will be affected by heat.
good post. its complicated, the bit you touched is the electronic controller, the heat generated in here is to do with the design of the circuit and can be completely unrelated to the rated power of the bulb. i higher power bulb could very easily have cooler running control circuit if it has less power to drop, if the LEDs are arranged in high voltage, low current strings rather than low voltage high current strings.
i have a box of old LED lamps which the plastic has yellowed due to heat, hasn't seemed to be a problem with newer lamps.
The fixture would probably be fine, but the LED bulb might not survive in a fitting which doesn't allow adequate airflow.
>You can touch an led bulb when it's on, how can it burn a fixture.
Cut the bulb covering off and put your finger on the diode after it's been on for a short time.
If the fixture was in contact with the diode, this might be relevant.
Why dont you take a bulb and then shove it up your arse? Has as much relevance.
LEDs get hot as frick, and pretty much all of them are rated NOT for sealed fixture
>cause a fire?
>LED bulbs run reasonably cold
>LEDs get hot as frick
> 38% above the safety limit
It's fricking 5w of extra heat lmao.
look up austin evans fire.
>look up austin evans fire.
I did, and between the redit homosexualry, youtube homosexualry, and tiktok homosexualry I now have terminal cancer thanks to you.
do you have a sane link to content that would help OP understand precisely how 5 extra watts burned austin Evans' crap to the ground.
my point is it doesn't take much to start a fire dude. it's better to be safe than ash.
oh. so you traffic in hyperbowl.
It's hyperbole, moron, and 5w is enough to raise 5l of water 1c, or , you know, 5cc of water to 100c or 0.5cc to 1000c.
You're the kind of mope that thinks 5c on the hand can't hurt you because your blood vessels immediately take the heat away, go point a 5w laser at your curtains and get back to me. The fixture is rated for X, you do not go X +5w and then wonder why it melted or caused a fire.
curtains dont have blood vessels
my hand is thicker than curtains and more conductive
a light bulb is larger than a laser dot and the energy transfer is less efficient
Except it's not a light "bulb" is it? It's a diode that's 2mm across.
coming from google it says "No, never use bulbs which consume more power than the fixture power rating".
I just wonder how much of an issue using 18w bulb inside 13w max socket? that's 38% above the safety limit.
Advertising an Ikea pendant light?
The low rating is almost certainly because it's an enclosed fixture. Without holes for cooling, a high wattage bulb will struggle to cool itself and have a shorter lifespan. The bulb holder and cable can almost certainly handle more than that
Get these https://duckduckgo.com/?q=filament+led
No driver to burn up
The LEDs itself don't like heat. It will significantly shorten their lifespan.
Those don't put out much heat, it's all LED, glass, and metal.
They put out as much heat as non-filament led bulbs.
Even a 10W device will heat up if it has no way to lose the heat.
Have you perhaps considered buying an 18w rated lamp? 2 (Two, count em) 13w lamps? Living in fricking darkness and contemplation, which you would be doing with a fricking 13w or even 18w led as main ceiling light anyway? You'd need to look up to see if the c**t was on or not.
There are so many easier solutions than buying something completely unsuitable, then asking how to make it suitable. The absolute fricking state of this thread being proof.
> the ones rated for 18+w don't look great.
> i don't have hanging hooks for two pendants.
> believe it or not any wattage is enough to illuminate a space, depending on how large that square area is.
>no filament LEDs in romania
none producing 1800 lumens at 18w.
use IR temp gun to measure temps at 13w
install 18w bulb and repeat
make sane decision
personally i wouldn't even worry about it
a. don't own an IR temp gun.
b. measuring while the glass diffuser is off is sort of irrelevant.
who said take the diffuser off?
OP here. i went and bought 4 wall lights of similar style. i have 9w bulbs inside each of them. the outer glass gets kind of warm while it's on. the bulbs themselves get obnoxiously hot. i feel like 18w or even 13w would be pushing it.