Can a shoulder fired rifle or shotgun kill a whale? I am talking Orca or bigger. Can anything take down some sperms?

Can a shoulder fired rifle or shotgun kill a whale? I am talking Orca or bigger. Can anything take down some sperms?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    why would you want to shoot a whale? Whales are not harmful to humans and are in fact a very valuable part of the underwater ecosystem. Whales are much more beneficial to you alive than dead so killing one of us is an act of pure vanity

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >killing one of us
      How do you type with fins?

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Those old guns were meant to harpoon the whale, not kill it. The harpoon would stick in the whale, then drag around the whaleboat for a while until the whale got tired (aka the "Nantucket Sleighride"), and then when the whale was surfaced and relatively still because it was tired they'd kill it with a lance to the heart. They did experiment with poison projectiles fired from guns containing prussic acid, as well as explosives, but those were not as effective.

    Anyway, as far as modern weapons go? A shogun could probably kill an orca but not much bigger, it just doesn't have the penetration. A big boi rifle? Sure, assuming you know where to aim. I've seen documentation talking about weapons for euthanizing beached whales and they recommended a .460 Weatherby for very large species. No doubt a larger caliber would be even more effective.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >.460 Weatherby
      jesus that thing has almost double the recoil of my 416 rigby

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I'm honestly curious why it was recommended. It was famous for being the "most powerful rifle in the world" for a time, but that was ignoring a lot of the other big boi safari rounds, and it also has really high recoil even among other dangerous game rifles.

        I just did a little searching and came across a different document, it just specifies ".458 cal rifle"
        https://nammco.no/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/04_guidelines-euthanasia_bycels-2019-01.pdf

        >The recommended ammunition for large whales is full metal jacket, round-nose bullets in calibre 9.3 and upwards. Norwegian investigations have shown that such ammunition penetrates the skull and reach the brain causing instantaneous loss of consciousness and death in minke whales. Calibre .458 has proven good results in both humpback- and sperm whales.

        I assume by .458 they are talking about .458 Winchester Magnum as that is probably the most accessible of the dangerous game calibers.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's also the most dangerous thing on Earth to anything in North America. You think .50 BMG is the worst round to get hit by? Try a 300gr JHP flying 3300 fps.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Any safari type people I've spoken to say Weatherby rifles will get you laughed by guides, like you fell for the meme instead of the best shooting cartridge. I have a Ruger No.1 in .416 Rigby and I don't plan on going any bigger. Kinda regret not getting a bolt gun instead though, since Rigby is primarily for magazine rifles.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >will get you laughed by guides
          why would they insult their customers?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm going to assume they laugh about their clients behind their backs, while they're BSing with the other PHes.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It pretty much is a meme, the velocity is honestly too high. If you look at the various dangerous game rounds which were invented when that kind of hunting was much more popular than it is today you'll notice that most of them have a velocity around 2000-2200fps. That isn't some random accident, that is what people who shot hundreds of those kind of animals found most effective. Higher velocities can paradoxically result in lower penetration and greatly increase the chance of bullet failure. Intelligently designed modern rounds are the same. Note the velocity on

          https://i.imgur.com/q7ILQ2j.jpg

          Those old guns were meant to harpoon the whale, not kill it. The harpoon would stick in the whale, then drag around the whaleboat for a while until the whale got tired (aka the "Nantucket Sleighride"), and then when the whale was surfaced and relatively still because it was tired they'd kill it with a lance to the heart. They did experiment with poison projectiles fired from guns containing prussic acid, as well as explosives, but those were not as effective.

          Anyway, as far as modern weapons go? A shogun could probably kill an orca but not much bigger, it just doesn't have the penetration. A big boi rifle? Sure, assuming you know where to aim. I've seen documentation talking about weapons for euthanizing beached whales and they recommended a .460 Weatherby for very large species. No doubt a larger caliber would be even more effective.

          2100fps just like the old-timers learned worked best.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            is a 338 lapuas velocity too high? I think they run about 3k

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >is a 338 lapuas velocity too high?
              No, that's a totally different application.

              I should have been more clear. When was talking about the .460 Weatherby my point was that its velcoity was too high for a dangerous game rifle meant for shooting things like cape buffalo or elephants at close range. Stuff like the .338 Lapua is meant for long-range shooting, that's a totally different beast and there's nothing wrong with the high velocity in that application.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >84 inches of penetration
      That's almost enough to bring down a camgirl.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        kek

        Yeah, I'm honestly curious why it was recommended. It was famous for being the "most powerful rifle in the world" for a time, but that was ignoring a lot of the other big boi safari rounds, and it also has really high recoil even among other dangerous game rifles.

        I just did a little searching and came across a different document, it just specifies ".458 cal rifle"
        https://nammco.no/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/04_guidelines-euthanasia_bycels-2019-01.pdf

        >The recommended ammunition for large whales is full metal jacket, round-nose bullets in calibre 9.3 and upwards. Norwegian investigations have shown that such ammunition penetrates the skull and reach the brain causing instantaneous loss of consciousness and death in minke whales. Calibre .458 has proven good results in both humpback- and sperm whales.

        I assume by .458 they are talking about .458 Winchester Magnum as that is probably the most accessible of the dangerous game calibers.

        thanks anon, good info

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Established 1869
    >Successor to Eben
    There are bowhead whales older than this ad still living today, with harpoon tips stuck in them.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes, natives have been doing it in alaska for a long time and continue to do it
    couldn't tell you what calibers tho

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They use .50s last time i heard about it.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes, they used safari cartridges for dispatching whales

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    lol, bro thinks THAT can kill a whale

    just don't alert the "sea god"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They could, given that they often fired poison or explosive "lances"
      https://whalesite.org/whaling/whalecraft/Shoulder_Guns/Shoulder_Guns.html

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just don't alert the "sea god"
      huh

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Can anything take down some sperms?
    Were you expecting a "your mom" response?

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