Brazil is positioning itself as a politically "neutral" option.
>Japanese business dealings as a gajin >Japanese military dealings
Ooof. I'd love to see it but it'll be awhile before people who are decision makers even consider them.
unironically, no one trusts US Govt not to do something stupid and frick up support, even support of a C-130 which could be sourced from lots of nations, sort of.
I'm guessing brand new C-130 has lots of software that could be bricked.
What if Uncle Sam demands your nation tags along in his latest bad idea and you don't want to? Will you new C-130 suddenly have issues that ground it?
No, it's because a C-130 consumes more fuel, requires a longer runway, and doesn't benefit from modern microcomputers/electronics in the way a completely new plane does. Sure a complete C-130 redesign could accomplish the same task but if you're adding completely new engines and avionics to the same chassis, you're better off just going with a completely new chassis that can support a brand-new, modern-spec engine and brand-new, modern-spec electronics to control it. Anything less is a waste for western countries that have ready access to computer factories for replacement parts. The C-390 can also carry more cargo and fly higher and faster, making it an overall upgrade.
This is less a Lockmart problem as it is a Boeing problem because Boeing's equivalent is/would be a militarized 737-9max, which is ironic as that's what the 747 was supposed to be. But nobody wants a plane with wings so low that can't STOL which is a huge liability for this role, and Boeing doesn't design new planes anymore so everything just locks up. Such is the case when a monopoly exists, and that is the real thing holding American plane sales back not the US government.
Boeing is run by idiots that don't know how to militarize a 777-9x and fricked up the KC-767 contract so bad a hybrid wing drone won against it. This is an administrative problem.
Boeing shoulda militarized the frick out of the 757.
Its got same fuselage diameter as 707 so all the legacy shit plugs in, and the military doesn't need fat-ass wide body for people hauler, and 757 got more balls and range than 737 and sits nice and high off the ground for bolting shit onto.
My airline mechanics say the 757 has fairly old school heavy gauge heavy duty build, which might bump fuel costs for airline but would help in military use with mods and upgrades.
Yep. The 757 is still one of the highest performance airliners out there too. Much greater thrust-to-weight ratio than normal. One of its design goals was to basically make the biggest plane possible that could still operate out of smaller "regional" type airports at high altitudes. For example, you can get anything in and out of Denver, but not smaller airports like Eagle County Regional which serves the big ski areas in Vail and Aspen. But 757s operate there easily - pic related. Pretty much the hotrod of airliners. Sad they don't even make it anymore.
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>Aspen
Thanks for reminding me I’m poor and can’t buy a house in that paradise FRICK
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If you're just out for the scenery, a lot of Utah is still cheap.
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WTF is so great about Aspen? I lived for a year on top of a mountain (in a normal house) in Conifer, CO at IIRC 8,300ft. That year was very light on snow :(. Seemed OK but tbh I was eager to get back to Gay Area, CA (that was when Silicon Valley was hopping and not yet all gayged up. IIRC there was exactly one (Americanized) Indian kid in my 3 school district, and I can't remember meeting a single Poo at several computer firms. There was one Indian restaurant you'd have to drive to Palo Alto.
BTW, my airport guys confirmed the 757 would be the Patrician's choice for private jet. 707 body build outs and templates plug in, but otherwise modern and high performance.
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> the Patrician's choice for private jet
That would be flying a trijet -> the Falcon 8X (or the 900LX)
interesting, last I heard USA was still buying C-130. Does seem like overdue for a clean sheet semi-tactical mid-size multi-use cargo/utility from the YUGE Pentagon budget.
I hear that Airbus Turbo Propper has nothing but problems.
Do something basically like the 390 but of course has to be by American company because of Pork, and USA should be able to make something better than a bunch of Spic-Speaking jungle monkeys.
Unlike the F-35 cluster-frick that was doomed by trying to make VTOL and normal planes "common design", I don't see such issues with a "general purpose" airframe.
I'd stretch it to heavy cargo (AFV) to tanker to AWACS to missile truck to even super-carrier capable and carrier based ASW.
Folding wing and extra heavy duty landing gear version of common design? Yes.
Normal and VTOL of same design? Put down the crack pipe.
The c-130 cargo compartment was designed in the 50s and can't fit modern armoured vehicles. The c-390 is almost as fast as a commercial airliner and was built around the types of equipment modern armies use. Plus have airliner tier passenger and crew comfort.
why do I get the feeling at Embraer they, in spite of being from the land of Human Monkey Hybrids, have exactly zero DEI, and probably no Western style "HR Dept" to wiener-block hiring.
Not until the 2030's according to Boeing themselves.
Until then Airbus has a new model out and the Chinese has their 919 and 929 flying for thirdie airliners.
Shit, I remember what seemed like just a couple years ago people were getting a big woody over the 747-8, the "dash eight". Are they already through with production?
smoll and dumb but THICKK
They just build a solid value for money plane.
Isn't it more expensive than a C-130J?
Operational costs are lower though.
How though?
>Its just a good, solid plane.
The Kawasaki C2 is cheaper and better. Who knows. Brazilian prostitutes and bribery?
>bribery
Anon, do you really think someone can outbribe the US MIC?
French do it all the time
>exportlet plane
Even C-27J and An-12. got exported, nobody wants to buy overpriced weebshit.
Brazil is positioning itself as a politically "neutral" option.
>Japanese business dealings as a gajin
>Japanese military dealings
Ooof. I'd love to see it but it'll be awhile before people who are decision makers even consider them.
Hungarian unit is probably done assembled by now. This pic was from early last year.
unironically, no one trusts US Govt not to do something stupid and frick up support, even support of a C-130 which could be sourced from lots of nations, sort of.
I'm guessing brand new C-130 has lots of software that could be bricked.
What if Uncle Sam demands your nation tags along in his latest bad idea and you don't want to? Will you new C-130 suddenly have issues that ground it?
No, it's because a C-130 consumes more fuel, requires a longer runway, and doesn't benefit from modern microcomputers/electronics in the way a completely new plane does. Sure a complete C-130 redesign could accomplish the same task but if you're adding completely new engines and avionics to the same chassis, you're better off just going with a completely new chassis that can support a brand-new, modern-spec engine and brand-new, modern-spec electronics to control it. Anything less is a waste for western countries that have ready access to computer factories for replacement parts. The C-390 can also carry more cargo and fly higher and faster, making it an overall upgrade.
This is less a Lockmart problem as it is a Boeing problem because Boeing's equivalent is/would be a militarized 737-9max, which is ironic as that's what the 747 was supposed to be. But nobody wants a plane with wings so low that can't STOL which is a huge liability for this role, and Boeing doesn't design new planes anymore so everything just locks up. Such is the case when a monopoly exists, and that is the real thing holding American plane sales back not the US government.
I'm honestly surprised Boeing hasn't had a go at marketing a militarised 747F given that the c-17 isn't in production anymore.
Boeing had a deal with Embraer to shill the C-390 to it's clients, but that fell through after their fallout and lawsuit from Embraer.
Boeing is run by idiots that don't know how to militarize a 777-9x and fricked up the KC-767 contract so bad a hybrid wing drone won against it. This is an administrative problem.
Boeing shoulda militarized the frick out of the 757.
Its got same fuselage diameter as 707 so all the legacy shit plugs in, and the military doesn't need fat-ass wide body for people hauler, and 757 got more balls and range than 737 and sits nice and high off the ground for bolting shit onto.
My airline mechanics say the 757 has fairly old school heavy gauge heavy duty build, which might bump fuel costs for airline but would help in military use with mods and upgrades.
Yep. The 757 is still one of the highest performance airliners out there too. Much greater thrust-to-weight ratio than normal. One of its design goals was to basically make the biggest plane possible that could still operate out of smaller "regional" type airports at high altitudes. For example, you can get anything in and out of Denver, but not smaller airports like Eagle County Regional which serves the big ski areas in Vail and Aspen. But 757s operate there easily - pic related. Pretty much the hotrod of airliners. Sad they don't even make it anymore.
>Aspen
Thanks for reminding me I’m poor and can’t buy a house in that paradise FRICK
If you're just out for the scenery, a lot of Utah is still cheap.
WTF is so great about Aspen? I lived for a year on top of a mountain (in a normal house) in Conifer, CO at IIRC 8,300ft. That year was very light on snow :(. Seemed OK but tbh I was eager to get back to Gay Area, CA (that was when Silicon Valley was hopping and not yet all gayged up. IIRC there was exactly one (Americanized) Indian kid in my 3 school district, and I can't remember meeting a single Poo at several computer firms. There was one Indian restaurant you'd have to drive to Palo Alto.
BTW, my airport guys confirmed the 757 would be the Patrician's choice for private jet. 707 body build outs and templates plug in, but otherwise modern and high performance.
> the Patrician's choice for private jet
That would be flying a trijet -> the Falcon 8X (or the 900LX)
interesting, last I heard USA was still buying C-130. Does seem like overdue for a clean sheet semi-tactical mid-size multi-use cargo/utility from the YUGE Pentagon budget.
I hear that Airbus Turbo Propper has nothing but problems.
Do something basically like the 390 but of course has to be by American company because of Pork, and USA should be able to make something better than a bunch of Spic-Speaking jungle monkeys.
Unlike the F-35 cluster-frick that was doomed by trying to make VTOL and normal planes "common design", I don't see such issues with a "general purpose" airframe.
I'd stretch it to heavy cargo (AFV) to tanker to AWACS to missile truck to even super-carrier capable and carrier based ASW.
Folding wing and extra heavy duty landing gear version of common design? Yes.
Normal and VTOL of same design? Put down the crack pipe.
The c-130 cargo compartment was designed in the 50s and can't fit modern armoured vehicles. The c-390 is almost as fast as a commercial airliner and was built around the types of equipment modern armies use. Plus have airliner tier passenger and crew comfort.
> What went right?
Embraer
why do I get the feeling at Embraer they, in spite of being from the land of Human Monkey Hybrids, have exactly zero DEI, and probably no Western style "HR Dept" to wiener-block hiring.
Embraer hires straight from ITA/IME (Brazil's equivalent of MIT). Even Boeing now has an office close to the campus to try to get some.
Kino
747 and 757 are out of production. Now would be a good time for a clean sheet new design.
Not until the 2030's according to Boeing themselves.
Until then Airbus has a new model out and the Chinese has their 919 and 929 flying for thirdie airliners.
Boeing Commercial is fricking done.
Shit, I remember what seemed like just a couple years ago people were getting a big woody over the 747-8, the "dash eight". Are they already through with production?
Boeing is incompetent
A bunch of Brazilian prosties sucked a whole lot of DoD dick
Department of Dick
I just ordered 45 shares of ERJ. Hold me, /k/, I'm scared and excited at the same time!
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