>Burgers still haven't started training Ukies on the Abrams.
What the actual frick? I thought this would be nearing completion by now. They've had since fricking January to sort it out. Why is it taking so long compared to the Leopard 2 training?
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/04/21/ukrainian-troops-to-begin-training-on-us-made-abrams-tanks-in-next-few-weeks-politico-sources/
they have to actually build them first
They are making new monkey models
A lot of the features on the original are classified and Russians might get their hands on them, also politicians don't like exporting depleted uranium
>The 31 M1A1 Abrams tanks — a Ukrainian battalion’s worth — will arrive at the Grafenwoehr Training Area in Germany by mid-to-late May, according to the officials. The training will begin a week or two later, after the tanks go through a maintenance period.
OP think it’s weird to train at a train g ground, he also thinks training is a one and done thing, and he will always be a gay.
>Challenger 2 has already been completed in the UK
>Leopard 2 training completed in Spain
>you are a sub-80 IQ moron
Idk, it's probably because Yurogays have the ability to build, transport, and train all why staying in mainland Europe, while the U.S. has to build in the mainland U.S, and then transport over an open ocean to Europe where they can then begin training. Think with your noggin.
>Why is it taking so long
i wouldn't worry about it, they're just haggling over joe's percentage
>joe's percentage
Of tanks?
Grandpa, go back to your easy chair and watch more Fox News
>literal emails say “the big guy gets his cut”
>nooooo it’s all a right wing conspiracy
You do know it’s possible to hate joe biden, acknowledge he’s senile and corrupt, hate Russia, want to give Ukraine aid, and also not support Trump. I realize you struggle with the concept of “nuance” but you might want to explore it
you do realise that most people don't consider a crack addict's personal messages to be a reliable source.
The alternative is that same crackhead got put on the board of Ukrainian oil company completely on his own merit despite having 0 experience in that field or a similar role. And that he’s the one brokering million dollar deals in China, of his own merit.
If that is the case, then he is competent, and his own messages are reliable. If he’s a crazy crackhead you can’t trust, then he’s only used as a go between for his father. So which is it?
Abrams are for late summer, the coming offensive will be done with Leos and other stuff
>Abrams are for late summer
Eh we will see. The us may be well content letting leos be sent and harping about selling their abrhams as replacements instead. Which i woyld consider a dick move and for the european nations not fully wise as they'd do themselves a favour by fascilitating a continued homegrown arms industry. As they are clearly able to make tanks.
People would rather buy from the US because their arms industry is much better than Europe’s
>plus three UKR trained and equipped brigades
I wonder what's going in those pots. BTRs? Captured equipment? Frankenstein vehicles like picrel?
fake and gay
Nations sent a token of tanks not as an aid but as an ad so everyone can see which tank kills Soviet stuff better
Once the leos are destroyed Americans will be the only hwhite people with tanks left. It's a plot by the US and poles to defang Europe before they abandon the US for China, and the French were the only ones smart enough to not bite.
Absolute lmao at the mutts.They bragged how they have thousands of tanks in storage and they have to build 31(thirty one) from scratch bevause none of thier tanks actually work,giga-kek.
They harped on germanoids for being pussies when they have actually already delivered and trained crews,not to say anything about Poland that has delivered 200+ tanks untill now.
Hell even the Brits,Spanish and Canadians are pulling their weight better.
I cant wait for the next Sino-American war,the Chinks will btfo them so hard their whole corrupt empire will colapse into a civil race-war and Europe will finally be free again.
cope
>have to build 31(thirty one) from scratch
Didn't read the article so I doubt this but say it is true and the Ukies get 31 shiny new Abrams
Why is this a bad thing?
It is a bad thing because they have to wait in queue with Poles and island chinks.
>queue
>source says a few weeks
Okay? I think you're overestimating that queue but sure
Last time I checked they were scheduled for delivery at the end of the year with the order queue limiting the amount that can be pumped out.
>I don't believe it was the USA who was bragging about having tanks in storage
Shills always downplayed the cost of US aid or outright denied it, saying the US was just sending old cold war stuff that was going to be scrapped (NVM the finantial aid, or sending serviceable modern weapons that are still in use)
Turns out Dark Brandon IS spending le monies
Honestly there are no new M1's. The Cold War is over so the last "new" M1 hull came out of the foundry in 1992. The US built around 10k M1s out of that 2.5k are in active service and around 3.7k in storage. The rest were exported or the handful lost in combat. Currently the US does upgrade rebuilds. Also there is a bit of a waiting list as Ukraine got tank donations based on the owner getting M1s as replacements.
The way I see it the US does rebuilds by stripping the tank down to the hull and rebuilding it with new parts to the new standard. This was going to be the M1A2s. Since they're feeling pressed for time instead of rebuilding to A2 standard they are referbing M1A1s in storage to send out quicker. I'm thinking the US Gov arsenals doing the work don't want to hire more people just to lay them off after a few months.
>Constantly boast about their incredible tank production and the thousands of Abrams in storage.
>Constantly extol Abrams production and numbers as a shining example of American prowess
>Finally step up to the plate to prove their claims
>Cant even send any to Ukraine, have to wait for an incredible 30 tanks to be "refurbished" before doing so
>Even the Yuropoors managed to beat America to the punch by a mile
lmao
Probably because outside of cherrypicked images from Sierra Army depot a good number of tanks are in pic related condition
Haha, so funny! A picture of a Russian stockpile AKA graveyard! I laugh!
>can't identify the box turret of the Abrams
Are you legitimately of the belief the US has few functional Abrams, similar to that of Russia with their tanks, or what's going on here?
There is a reason why the US is taking a while to send Abrams to Ukraine
>doesn't answer the question just vaguely alludes to the answer
Ah, so you'll never have to face the fact you had a moronic conviction. I hope Russia doesn't believe that. For their sake.
Face it, tanks that have been sitting in the desert for 30 years and have their parts stripped out are not in any shape to be sent without factory level refurbishment, exactly the same situation as the Soviet->Russian stocks, though the latter is in a worse position to due more neglect and record keeping.
US tank production for the past 30 years is the exact same as the T-72B3/T-80BVM programs
Haul a stripped out hulk from storage, stick a new thermal sight and armor (Relikt/Kontakt-5 for Russia, DU for the US) and then use meme marketing terms like"reconditioned", "zero-hour" to describe your new 50 year old tanks in your press releases.
Egyptian M1s are existing ex-US M1s broken down and sent in a parts assembly kit. They don't have an actual production line.
what a stupid fricking take in the first bit.
Seethe
He's right though. Is that not what's happening? It's hardly even an open secret.
The propaganda value of even one destroyed Abrams in Ukranian hands would be off the charts. The
>no Abrams has been destroyed by an enemy directly
meme has been dead for years, now with
>arab
>monkey model
caveats added on
Having to add
>Ukraine
would be a blow to presenting them them as competent combatants.
So it has little propaganda value outside of Russia? Tanks aren't invincible.
Is that why we pretended the Abrams was invincible for decades?
No ever pretended it was invincible. I can give you articles from the early 1980s talking about its vulnerabilities in the original production models.
Sure, now you're suddenly reasonable, fricker.
frick you tardass, I'm not even him
https://www.csmonitor.com/1982/0108/010843.html
>We
The tanks that we see the Russians haul to their factories on trains unironically look better then this
Left - Your pic
Right - After shot lasting
See the problem here being Russian hulls are deep rusted, and US hulls are all surface rust, because they used a steel that's similar to Corten that self cures like aluminium oxide on aluminium.
But you wouldn't know about that would you Mr shill.
>Corten
Soviet steel so good it doesn't even rust
Look at the fricking T-55, even the track guards (which are sheet metal) are still there.
Implessive
Engine bay open to the elements for probably nearly 30 years... only some minor rust staining
Nah, I would say most of these vehicles are recoverable. The base hull and turret are probably still in a workable condition to put new equipment in
It's not actually Corten moron.
Pic rel from the same article you got your other image from.
Looks almost brand new. Funny, it's like it was a hull, stored in a way where it could be made into an updated tank at a later date pretty easily.
Hmmmmmm
yeah and you think T-80BVM/T-72B3 don't leave the factory with a new "zero-hours" lick of paint as well?
>Tanks that have been sitting in a state of the art logistics facility where their sole fricking mission is to maintain, resupply, repair and distribute materiel
>Is comparable to Russian tanks being left unprotected for 30 years in humid climate with no express intent to maintain, repair, resupply, redistribute, really do fricking anything with them except let them rot
>All because ??? I said so and "muh there has to be a reason for my loaded preposition!"
Minorly effective bait. Consider doing better next time instead of just replying to the people calling you an idiot multiple times over.
yes, because the factories that upgrade the Abrams for export are currently busy with orders to Poland, Taiwan, Australia and other nations, and we aren't handing the HAP-NG armor package to anyone because we just started receiving them in 2020
why not buy a run of M1A1s of the Egyptian line? Sure it's not M1A2 SEP v3 or whatever but they're fighting T-72As and T-55s, who cares
There were no issues handing them to the Taliban kek
Please show me where the Taliban is keeping the Abrams tanks they have moron
So say it. What’s the reason?
Anon, are you a bot? If you aren’t say the word “Black person” while quoting the TND copypasta.
I’m pretty sure the bots aren’t allowed that one
Black person. I'm no glowboy. Tanks are stored in the fine deserts of Arizona instead of being dumped somewhere in the open to rust with and turn into swimming pools like a moronic Russian would. This is a shop.
Lol. I think this is just a mutt cope then. I am always amazed at how completely clueless you guys are to the incompetency and mismanagement of your armies. We can just pretend Afghanistan didn’t happen though. It’s okay anon, I blame your education system.
xaxa stronk Russia has capture 200 Abrahams from surrendering nazi gays!
Z!
And some more beheaded Abrams, and jugdging by how they overlap , they are stacked on top of each other
Abrams and other vehicles in various states, the ones on the right are a rather poor condition
Neat. Can you give the coordinates for these pics?
Anniston
Also, I doubt there are many tanks in Sierra Army Depot that aren't partially stripped out. SIAD operates a parts pull programme to support the active fleet.
If you want to bring a tank that was stored in Sierra, you have to find parts from another tank or manufacture new, there's nothing "ready to go"
So you are telling me mutts laughed at Russians for having at best 3-4000 tanks usable from their alleged 10k stockpile and then they keelled over laughing when the Russian MOD announced the refurbishing of 800 tanks in a year.
Having all that in mind we now see that they can only refurbish 31 in a year, not even new production but refurbishment...
Holy shit what the frick did they do with the 200bil$aid?!
Why the frick do they have a buget of 800bil?Hrt?Do they even have normal white men running the military?
China will btfo them hard in 10 or so years.
shut the frick up dumbass
More usual then you think,
Pic related is one of the German storage facilities
Thats Rockensußra. It's not a storage facility, it's a facility where spent equipment gets scrapped.
Why would there be 3-5 new Leopard 2A7 hulls there then?
No idea, but BTD is a scrapyard.
Hmm, yeah but this is /k/eddit we cant go "muh both" sides even if its true they both frick up on the reg. The only difference is that the US is 14 times richer than Russia so they afford more frickups and to fix them.
This is why i cant take Perun seriously, he makes ugly low-effort powerpoints with wikipedia tier info and then drags on a 10 min presentation to 1+hour without reaching any conclusion.
Midwits eat that shit up.
>2000 bradleys
>3700 abrams
And yet nobody asked how manny usable, how much budget for reactivation etc.
Reality then hits you with an actual number.
yeah dude America has ZERO tanks available, it's all over, rassiya and china will win in two weeks
this isn't happening because our export customers have first dibs on modified tanks and we don't want to export the HAP armor package
Strawman argument there predit bot. Keep coping.
I am sure the pharmaceutical quantities of armour the piggies have recived will burn nicely in the spring™ coming soon offensive.
were you even trying
Good evening sirs
Post hand
Yes, lets deplete our own units despite the fact we have the capacity to create more while supporting our MIC, but here's how it goes.
>Colonel Dicknuts, we need 2 of your Abrams to supply the Ukrainian war effort.
What? No, of the X I have I need X% to even operate in our most minimal role. Plus only 85% are in peak operating condition, and after our next exercise we anticipate at least 4 will require an extensive overhaul, not to mention our need to install rear view mirrors on the remaining 42%. There is no feasible way we could meet this requirement, and in fact, 3 new vehicles would vastly increase our own capabilities. It is an absolute necessity we get these 4 additional tanks. Without these 5 units, national defense suffers.
>Ok, whatever, nvm. GD, can you build us 30 tanks.
Yeah bro sure, these fricking wagies are getting lazy. I've got some new shit if you want it too.
>Nah just the monkey models please. Now, civilian contractors 1-20, I need you to go to Germany and train these smhucks because I'm not falling for that "bring over dudes from a war torn country for training and expecting them not to desert" shit again.
The cool thing about keeping skilled workers gainfully employed is the retention of skills and ability to more easily resume or heighten productivity.
America doesn't need to worry about the provincials getting ideas into their head because all of a sudden the local garrison is getting picked over by morons who don't even have the capability to replace or replenish what they take.
Finally, if you can't conceive how smoothly the logistical chain to move multi-ton weapons of war to another continent and train crews, technicians, and commanders must run, you're most likely equally not astonished by the inability of a "world power" to force project into an area within their former borders.
Hundreds of Abrams are going to Taiwan and Poland in next few years.
2/10, made me reply
>I cant wait for the next Sino-American war,the Chinks will btfo them so hard their whole corrupt empire will colapse into a civil race-war and Europe will finally be free again.
You bugmutts won't do shit kek.
https://apnews.com/article/us-taiwan-strait-china-323b650d9d46838d5f06130274a54392
I am sure that during wartime governments are completely transparent and use no misdirection at all in their public statements
@57928568(You)
I don't believe it was the USA who was bragging about having tanks in storage
We currently don't have the manpower available to train them. Armor units on rotation here are already busy with their rotational training, and the only permanent party American armor unit in Europe is already tasked out with their own missions, they simply have to wait.
>Burgers still haven't started training Ukies on the Abrams.
my man any tank designed to be used by the intellect possessed by the bottom of the barrel of American society can be mastered in an afternoon by a normal person.
>she still thinks western tanks will go anywhere near the front lines
I am now demoralized
Abraham does not even exist. It is what west says about T-14 but in massive lie scale.
Iraq would like a word with you, anonovich.
Father Abraham had many sons.
I am one of them, and so are you.
Just because this homie got shot in the head doesn’t mean he disappeared from history
They should rotate the Ukrainians through CFB Suffield to learn the Abrams now that the British are gone
100-percent Abrams was only announced to satisfy Germany re: Leopard 2 and 1. Ditto with Challenger. The Challengers will be attributed and won't be replaced. The Abrams will never show up at all. It was entirely to get Germany to start sending Leopards and to release the likes of Poland, Finland, Canada, Spain, etc to start sending theirs. Leopard was a good fit with lots of units spread among many countries (diffused responsibility) and they can still be built and upgraded with parts galore. No other Western tank made any sense but Germany didn't want to stick it's neck out in any way so here you have it. US will do much more good sending LARGE numbers of Strykers and Bradleys.
Challengers will be attrited*
I am super demoralized now, Ukraine needs to surrender.
WE'RE FRICKING BACK BOYS. GREEN'S ON THE MENU WOOO
green was never off the menu. We didn't even bother repainting most of the Abrams in inventory in tan.
Thank God
This is kind of why Zelensky and others are so vocal about getting commitments because even when they get agreements it usually takes 2-6 months for it to actually manifest in a meaningful way and most of the shit they want is needed immediately.
Can't wait for USA to approve transfer of F-16 in 2024, that won't be built until 2025
Burgerland is looking a bit pussified in this conflict in this war, not gonna lie.
Leopards = late spring
Abrams = 2024
They never said Abrams this year anon. NEVER
yes they did and that's the expected arrival date dumbfrick
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3336826/ukrainians-to-get-us-tanks-by-fall/
Kek, mutts got btfod hard with facts and logic ITT.
I would love to see westoid Osint morons go over storage sattelite pics of abrams and come to the conclusion that not even 1/3rd are in any codition to be recovered.
Literally worse than russians, gg.
The mutts aren't currently killing themselves in Ukraine.
>mfw this thread
I haven't seen glowies/NAFO-trannies get BTFO this hard in along time. Good work lads
Actually they are:
>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65245065
You have to remember that Ukraine doesn't really matter to the US, at least not to the same extent as it matters to Russia.