>Burgers still haven't started training Ukies on the Abrams.

>Burgers still haven't started training Ukies on the Abrams.

What the actual frick? I thought this would be nearing completion by now. They've had since fricking January to sort it out. Why is it taking so long compared to the Leopard 2 training?

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/04/21/ukrainian-troops-to-begin-training-on-us-made-abrams-tanks-in-next-few-weeks-politico-sources/

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    they have to actually build them first

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They are making new monkey models
      A lot of the features on the original are classified and Russians might get their hands on them, also politicians don't like exporting depleted uranium

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >The 31 M1A1 Abrams tanks — a Ukrainian battalion’s worth — will arrive at the Grafenwoehr Training Area in Germany by mid-to-late May, according to the officials. The training will begin a week or two later, after the tanks go through a maintenance period.
    OP think it’s weird to train at a train g ground, he also thinks training is a one and done thing, and he will always be a gay.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Challenger 2 has already been completed in the UK
      >Leopard 2 training completed in Spain
      >you are a sub-80 IQ moron

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Idk, it's probably because Yurogays have the ability to build, transport, and train all why staying in mainland Europe, while the U.S. has to build in the mainland U.S, and then transport over an open ocean to Europe where they can then begin training. Think with your noggin.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is it taking so long
    i wouldn't worry about it, they're just haggling over joe's percentage

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >joe's percentage
      Of tanks?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Grandpa, go back to your easy chair and watch more Fox News

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >literal emails say “the big guy gets his cut”
        >nooooo it’s all a right wing conspiracy
        You do know it’s possible to hate joe biden, acknowledge he’s senile and corrupt, hate Russia, want to give Ukraine aid, and also not support Trump. I realize you struggle with the concept of “nuance” but you might want to explore it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          you do realise that most people don't consider a crack addict's personal messages to be a reliable source.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The alternative is that same crackhead got put on the board of Ukrainian oil company completely on his own merit despite having 0 experience in that field or a similar role. And that he’s the one brokering million dollar deals in China, of his own merit.

            If that is the case, then he is competent, and his own messages are reliable. If he’s a crazy crackhead you can’t trust, then he’s only used as a go between for his father. So which is it?

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Abrams are for late summer, the coming offensive will be done with Leos and other stuff

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Abrams are for late summer
      Eh we will see. The us may be well content letting leos be sent and harping about selling their abrhams as replacements instead. Which i woyld consider a dick move and for the european nations not fully wise as they'd do themselves a favour by fascilitating a continued homegrown arms industry. As they are clearly able to make tanks.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        People would rather buy from the US because their arms industry is much better than Europe’s

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >plus three UKR trained and equipped brigades
      I wonder what's going in those pots. BTRs? Captured equipment? Frankenstein vehicles like picrel?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      fake and gay

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nations sent a token of tanks not as an aid but as an ad so everyone can see which tank kills Soviet stuff better

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Once the leos are destroyed Americans will be the only hwhite people with tanks left. It's a plot by the US and poles to defang Europe before they abandon the US for China, and the French were the only ones smart enough to not bite.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Absolute lmao at the mutts.They bragged how they have thousands of tanks in storage and they have to build 31(thirty one) from scratch bevause none of thier tanks actually work,giga-kek.
    They harped on germanoids for being pussies when they have actually already delivered and trained crews,not to say anything about Poland that has delivered 200+ tanks untill now.
    Hell even the Brits,Spanish and Canadians are pulling their weight better.
    I cant wait for the next Sino-American war,the Chinks will btfo them so hard their whole corrupt empire will colapse into a civil race-war and Europe will finally be free again.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      cope

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >have to build 31(thirty one) from scratch
      Didn't read the article so I doubt this but say it is true and the Ukies get 31 shiny new Abrams
      Why is this a bad thing?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It is a bad thing because they have to wait in queue with Poles and island chinks.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >queue
          >source says a few weeks
          Okay? I think you're overestimating that queue but sure

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Last time I checked they were scheduled for delivery at the end of the year with the order queue limiting the amount that can be pumped out.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/JKK0u9R.jpg

        Absolute lmao at the mutts.They bragged how they have thousands of tanks in storage and they have to build 31(thirty one) from scratch bevause none of thier tanks actually work,giga-kek.
        They harped on germanoids for being pussies when they have actually already delivered and trained crews,not to say anything about Poland that has delivered 200+ tanks untill now.
        Hell even the Brits,Spanish and Canadians are pulling their weight better.
        I cant wait for the next Sino-American war,the Chinks will btfo them so hard their whole corrupt empire will colapse into a civil race-war and Europe will finally be free again.

        >I don't believe it was the USA who was bragging about having tanks in storage
        Shills always downplayed the cost of US aid or outright denied it, saying the US was just sending old cold war stuff that was going to be scrapped (NVM the finantial aid, or sending serviceable modern weapons that are still in use)
        Turns out Dark Brandon IS spending le monies

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly there are no new M1's. The Cold War is over so the last "new" M1 hull came out of the foundry in 1992. The US built around 10k M1s out of that 2.5k are in active service and around 3.7k in storage. The rest were exported or the handful lost in combat. Currently the US does upgrade rebuilds. Also there is a bit of a waiting list as Ukraine got tank donations based on the owner getting M1s as replacements.

        The way I see it the US does rebuilds by stripping the tank down to the hull and rebuilding it with new parts to the new standard. This was going to be the M1A2s. Since they're feeling pressed for time instead of rebuilding to A2 standard they are referbing M1A1s in storage to send out quicker. I'm thinking the US Gov arsenals doing the work don't want to hire more people just to lay them off after a few months.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Constantly boast about their incredible tank production and the thousands of Abrams in storage.
        >Constantly extol Abrams production and numbers as a shining example of American prowess
        >Finally step up to the plate to prove their claims
        >Cant even send any to Ukraine, have to wait for an incredible 30 tanks to be "refurbished" before doing so
        >Even the Yuropoors managed to beat America to the punch by a mile
        lmao

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Probably because outside of cherrypicked images from Sierra Army depot a good number of tanks are in pic related condition

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Haha, so funny! A picture of a Russian stockpile AKA graveyard! I laugh!

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >can't identify the box turret of the Abrams

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Are you legitimately of the belief the US has few functional Abrams, similar to that of Russia with their tanks, or what's going on here?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                There is a reason why the US is taking a while to send Abrams to Ukraine

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >doesn't answer the question just vaguely alludes to the answer
                Ah, so you'll never have to face the fact you had a moronic conviction. I hope Russia doesn't believe that. For their sake.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Face it, tanks that have been sitting in the desert for 30 years and have their parts stripped out are not in any shape to be sent without factory level refurbishment, exactly the same situation as the Soviet->Russian stocks, though the latter is in a worse position to due more neglect and record keeping.
                US tank production for the past 30 years is the exact same as the T-72B3/T-80BVM programs
                Haul a stripped out hulk from storage, stick a new thermal sight and armor (Relikt/Kontakt-5 for Russia, DU for the US) and then use meme marketing terms like"reconditioned", "zero-hour" to describe your new 50 year old tanks in your press releases.

                why not buy a run of M1A1s of the Egyptian line? Sure it's not M1A2 SEP v3 or whatever but they're fighting T-72As and T-55s, who cares

                Egyptian M1s are existing ex-US M1s broken down and sent in a parts assembly kit. They don't have an actual production line.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                what a stupid fricking take in the first bit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Seethe

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He's right though. Is that not what's happening? It's hardly even an open secret.

                why not buy a run of M1A1s of the Egyptian line? Sure it's not M1A2 SEP v3 or whatever but they're fighting T-72As and T-55s, who cares

                The propaganda value of even one destroyed Abrams in Ukranian hands would be off the charts. The
                >no Abrams has been destroyed by an enemy directly
                meme has been dead for years, now with
                >arab
                >monkey model
                caveats added on
                Having to add
                >Ukraine
                would be a blow to presenting them them as competent combatants.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So it has little propaganda value outside of Russia? Tanks aren't invincible.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Is that why we pretended the Abrams was invincible for decades?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No ever pretended it was invincible. I can give you articles from the early 1980s talking about its vulnerabilities in the original production models.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, now you're suddenly reasonable, fricker.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                frick you tardass, I'm not even him
                https://www.csmonitor.com/1982/0108/010843.html

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >We

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The tanks that we see the Russians haul to their factories on trains unironically look better then this

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Left - Your pic
                Right - After shot lasting
                See the problem here being Russian hulls are deep rusted, and US hulls are all surface rust, because they used a steel that's similar to Corten that self cures like aluminium oxide on aluminium.
                But you wouldn't know about that would you Mr shill.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Corten
                Soviet steel so good it doesn't even rust

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Look at the fricking T-55, even the track guards (which are sheet metal) are still there.
                Implessive

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Engine bay open to the elements for probably nearly 30 years... only some minor rust staining
                Nah, I would say most of these vehicles are recoverable. The base hull and turret are probably still in a workable condition to put new equipment in

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's not actually Corten moron.
                Pic rel from the same article you got your other image from.
                Looks almost brand new. Funny, it's like it was a hull, stored in a way where it could be made into an updated tank at a later date pretty easily.
                Hmmmmmm

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yeah and you think T-80BVM/T-72B3 don't leave the factory with a new "zero-hours" lick of paint as well?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Tanks that have been sitting in a state of the art logistics facility where their sole fricking mission is to maintain, resupply, repair and distribute materiel
                >Is comparable to Russian tanks being left unprotected for 30 years in humid climate with no express intent to maintain, repair, resupply, redistribute, really do fricking anything with them except let them rot
                >All because ??? I said so and "muh there has to be a reason for my loaded preposition!"
                Minorly effective bait. Consider doing better next time instead of just replying to the people calling you an idiot multiple times over.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yes, because the factories that upgrade the Abrams for export are currently busy with orders to Poland, Taiwan, Australia and other nations, and we aren't handing the HAP-NG armor package to anyone because we just started receiving them in 2020

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                why not buy a run of M1A1s of the Egyptian line? Sure it's not M1A2 SEP v3 or whatever but they're fighting T-72As and T-55s, who cares

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Face it, tanks that have been sitting in the desert for 30 years and have their parts stripped out are not in any shape to be sent without factory level refurbishment, exactly the same situation as the Soviet->Russian stocks, though the latter is in a worse position to due more neglect and record keeping.
                US tank production for the past 30 years is the exact same as the T-72B3/T-80BVM programs
                Haul a stripped out hulk from storage, stick a new thermal sight and armor (Relikt/Kontakt-5 for Russia, DU for the US) and then use meme marketing terms like"reconditioned", "zero-hour" to describe your new 50 year old tanks in your press releases.
                [...]
                Egyptian M1s are existing ex-US M1s broken down and sent in a parts assembly kit. They don't have an actual production line.

                There were no issues handing them to the Taliban kek

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Please show me where the Taliban is keeping the Abrams tanks they have moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So say it. What’s the reason?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, are you a bot? If you aren’t say the word “Black person” while quoting the TND copypasta.
              I’m pretty sure the bots aren’t allowed that one

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Black person. I'm no glowboy. Tanks are stored in the fine deserts of Arizona instead of being dumped somewhere in the open to rust with and turn into swimming pools like a moronic Russian would. This is a shop.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Lol. I think this is just a mutt cope then. I am always amazed at how completely clueless you guys are to the incompetency and mismanagement of your armies. We can just pretend Afghanistan didn’t happen though. It’s okay anon, I blame your education system.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              xaxa stronk Russia has capture 200 Abrahams from surrendering nazi gays!
              Z!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And some more beheaded Abrams, and jugdging by how they overlap , they are stacked on top of each other

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Abrams and other vehicles in various states, the ones on the right are a rather poor condition

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Neat. Can you give the coordinates for these pics?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anniston
                Also, I doubt there are many tanks in Sierra Army Depot that aren't partially stripped out. SIAD operates a parts pull programme to support the active fleet.
                If you want to bring a tank that was stored in Sierra, you have to find parts from another tank or manufacture new, there's nothing "ready to go"

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/ISb2pmh.jpg

            And some more beheaded Abrams, and jugdging by how they overlap , they are stacked on top of each other

            https://i.imgur.com/Uk7dmew.jpg

            Abrams and other vehicles in various states, the ones on the right are a rather poor condition

            So you are telling me mutts laughed at Russians for having at best 3-4000 tanks usable from their alleged 10k stockpile and then they keelled over laughing when the Russian MOD announced the refurbishing of 800 tanks in a year.
            Having all that in mind we now see that they can only refurbish 31 in a year, not even new production but refurbishment...
            Holy shit what the frick did they do with the 200bil$aid?!
            Why the frick do they have a buget of 800bil?Hrt?Do they even have normal white men running the military?
            China will btfo them hard in 10 or so years.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              shut the frick up dumbass

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              More usual then you think,
              Pic related is one of the German storage facilities

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Thats Rockensußra. It's not a storage facility, it's a facility where spent equipment gets scrapped.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why would there be 3-5 new Leopard 2A7 hulls there then?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No idea, but BTD is a scrapyard.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Hmm, yeah but this is /k/eddit we cant go "muh both" sides even if its true they both frick up on the reg. The only difference is that the US is 14 times richer than Russia so they afford more frickups and to fix them.

              https://i.imgur.com/l3QixTT.jpg

              shut the frick up dumbass

              This is why i cant take Perun seriously, he makes ugly low-effort powerpoints with wikipedia tier info and then drags on a 10 min presentation to 1+hour without reaching any conclusion.
              Midwits eat that shit up.
              >2000 bradleys
              >3700 abrams
              And yet nobody asked how manny usable, how much budget for reactivation etc.
              Reality then hits you with an actual number.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yeah dude America has ZERO tanks available, it's all over, rassiya and china will win in two weeks
                this isn't happening because our export customers have first dibs on modified tanks and we don't want to export the HAP armor package

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Strawman argument there predit bot. Keep coping.
                I am sure the pharmaceutical quantities of armour the piggies have recived will burn nicely in the spring™ coming soon offensive.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                were you even trying

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Good evening sirs

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Post hand

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, lets deplete our own units despite the fact we have the capacity to create more while supporting our MIC, but here's how it goes.

      >Colonel Dicknuts, we need 2 of your Abrams to supply the Ukrainian war effort.
      What? No, of the X I have I need X% to even operate in our most minimal role. Plus only 85% are in peak operating condition, and after our next exercise we anticipate at least 4 will require an extensive overhaul, not to mention our need to install rear view mirrors on the remaining 42%. There is no feasible way we could meet this requirement, and in fact, 3 new vehicles would vastly increase our own capabilities. It is an absolute necessity we get these 4 additional tanks. Without these 5 units, national defense suffers.
      >Ok, whatever, nvm. GD, can you build us 30 tanks.
      Yeah bro sure, these fricking wagies are getting lazy. I've got some new shit if you want it too.
      >Nah just the monkey models please. Now, civilian contractors 1-20, I need you to go to Germany and train these smhucks because I'm not falling for that "bring over dudes from a war torn country for training and expecting them not to desert" shit again.

      The cool thing about keeping skilled workers gainfully employed is the retention of skills and ability to more easily resume or heighten productivity.
      America doesn't need to worry about the provincials getting ideas into their head because all of a sudden the local garrison is getting picked over by morons who don't even have the capability to replace or replenish what they take.
      Finally, if you can't conceive how smoothly the logistical chain to move multi-ton weapons of war to another continent and train crews, technicians, and commanders must run, you're most likely equally not astonished by the inability of a "world power" to force project into an area within their former borders.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hundreds of Abrams are going to Taiwan and Poland in next few years.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      2/10, made me reply

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I cant wait for the next Sino-American war,the Chinks will btfo them so hard their whole corrupt empire will colapse into a civil race-war and Europe will finally be free again.
      You bugmutts won't do shit kek.
      https://apnews.com/article/us-taiwan-strait-china-323b650d9d46838d5f06130274a54392

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I am sure that during wartime governments are completely transparent and use no misdirection at all in their public statements

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    @57928568(You)
    I don't believe it was the USA who was bragging about having tanks in storage

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We currently don't have the manpower available to train them. Armor units on rotation here are already busy with their rotational training, and the only permanent party American armor unit in Europe is already tasked out with their own missions, they simply have to wait.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Burgers still haven't started training Ukies on the Abrams.
    my man any tank designed to be used by the intellect possessed by the bottom of the barrel of American society can be mastered in an afternoon by a normal person.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >she still thinks western tanks will go anywhere near the front lines

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I am now demoralized

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Abraham does not even exist. It is what west says about T-14 but in massive lie scale.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Iraq would like a word with you, anonovich.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Father Abraham had many sons.
      I am one of them, and so are you.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Just because this homie got shot in the head doesn’t mean he disappeared from history

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They should rotate the Ukrainians through CFB Suffield to learn the Abrams now that the British are gone

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    100-percent Abrams was only announced to satisfy Germany re: Leopard 2 and 1. Ditto with Challenger. The Challengers will be attributed and won't be replaced. The Abrams will never show up at all. It was entirely to get Germany to start sending Leopards and to release the likes of Poland, Finland, Canada, Spain, etc to start sending theirs. Leopard was a good fit with lots of units spread among many countries (diffused responsibility) and they can still be built and upgraded with parts galore. No other Western tank made any sense but Germany didn't want to stick it's neck out in any way so here you have it. US will do much more good sending LARGE numbers of Strykers and Bradleys.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Challengers will be attrited*

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I am super demoralized now, Ukraine needs to surrender.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        WE'RE FRICKING BACK BOYS. GREEN'S ON THE MENU WOOO

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          green was never off the menu. We didn't even bother repainting most of the Abrams in inventory in tan.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Thank God

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is kind of why Zelensky and others are so vocal about getting commitments because even when they get agreements it usually takes 2-6 months for it to actually manifest in a meaningful way and most of the shit they want is needed immediately.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can't wait for USA to approve transfer of F-16 in 2024, that won't be built until 2025

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Burgerland is looking a bit pussified in this conflict in this war, not gonna lie.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Leopards = late spring
    Abrams = 2024
    They never said Abrams this year anon. NEVER

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yes they did and that's the expected arrival date dumbfrick
      https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3336826/ukrainians-to-get-us-tanks-by-fall/

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Kek, mutts got btfod hard with facts and logic ITT.
    I would love to see westoid Osint morons go over storage sattelite pics of abrams and come to the conclusion that not even 1/3rd are in any codition to be recovered.
    Literally worse than russians, gg.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The mutts aren't currently killing themselves in Ukraine.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >mfw this thread
        I haven't seen glowies/NAFO-trannies get BTFO this hard in along time. Good work lads

        Actually they are:
        >https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65245065

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You have to remember that Ukraine doesn't really matter to the US, at least not to the same extent as it matters to Russia.

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