British special forces jumping on the 6.5CM train following SOCOM
L129 re-chambered and updated as L129A2 with an M-LOK MARS-H upper from LMT
British special forces jumping on the 6.5CM train following SOCOM
British special forces jumping on the 6.5CM train following SOCOM
L129 re-chambered and updated as L129A2 with an M-LOK MARS-H upper from LMT
So are many branches of US SoF. This wunderbullet spree they're on (.277 Furry, .338 Norma Mag, etc) is an R&D money grab and it has happened in the past. 6.5cm is here to stay and anyone interested in long range domestic defense from an invading force would be wise to invest in it.
> 6.5 mememoor is based and isn't going anywhere
>.338NM and .277 Fury are dumb and just israeli money grabs
Anon, you need help if you honestly believe that.
.338nm is in a class of its own compared to 6.5, and so is .277 as well.
6.5cm has its place, but it's not going to supplant either of the other two you mentioned. The extra performance they offer is simply too appealing for military roles.
.338NM is especially useful for its role as a lightweight medium machine gun AND a precision rifle round.
.277 fury is capable of ball blistering muzzle velocity from a small barrel carbine/rifle and can potentially simplify frontline army infantry logistics (moving everyone to a single squad level caliber).
6.5cm probably isn't going anywhere either, but it's certainly not going to cause .277 or .338 to fall out of fashion.
>so is
>as well
>same sentence
moron confirmed. Explained 300 Norma Mag then homosexual
.300nm is almost twice the bullet weight as 6.5cm and moving at basically the same speed (around 3k fps)
What more explanation do you need?
Barrel life
Ability for manufacturers to produce it in quantities needed to gain competency
Willingness of units to completely replace their M60's and M24's with a new rifle after decades of training
You speak with confidence. Which you're probably proud of, but your arrogance is indicative of a lack of experience. I've been here with the boon of new cartridges before, have you?
Fricking zoomers man kill'em all
Black person, you're not concerned about barrel life in a precision rifle in a military setting.
Replacing barrels these days is piss easy and it's just not a concern outside of machine guns and general issued rifles.
>Replacing barrels these days is piss easy
Yeah it's very easy, when you have a whole ass armory at your disposal. What about austere "military" environments?
If you're shooting multiple hundreds of rounds from your precision rifle and you're unable to get a moment to swap a barrel (which is field swappable, though your optics will likely need to re-zero), you're fricked anyway.
This isn't a general-purpose grunt-issued rifle.
Snipers perform combat patrols away from their supporting elements. Their shit needs to be durable.
If a sniper patrol is firing hundreds or thousands of rounds, something has gone wrong.
Do things always go right in combat?
No, but when they don't I don't expect my equipment to perform miracles.
Again, no one is going to design a precision military rifle these days that NEEDS to stay accurate after thousands of rounds.
You're expected to just replace your barrels fairly frequently.
If you don't agree with this sentiment all I can say is that the vast majority of militaries seem to disagree with your opinion.
No first world military gives nearly as much a frick about barrel-life in marksman rifles. Stop regurgitating Fudd shit that barely even applies to civilians anymore, either.
>m60s
>m24s
What decade are you living in? Can we please trade spots on the timeline?
CERN has scattered the inhabitants of multiple timelines it seems
>.277 fury is capable of ball blistering muzzle velocity from a small barrel carbine/rifle and can potentially simplify frontline army infantry logistics (moving everyone to a single squad level caliber).
Why would you want people going door to door in Bagdad using the same caliber as Kandahar Valley?
I never said you would, but if you expect 70%+ of your future combat needs are more like Kandahar valley than Bagdad urban combat, it makes sense to move to a rifle that excels at one over the other, and lets be honest, the XM5 wouldn't be useless in door clearing, it's just not quite as nice as a lighter/smaller/larger capacity M4 or similar.
The XM5/M5 will still be a capable weapon indoors.
I also think the army should develop a new more powerful SMG/PDW type weapon specifically for urban/CQC scenarios that can be fielded when needed.
French special forces have been playing with .260 remington (seekins SP10M) and also .408 CheyTac (Cadex Shadow 40). Picrel.
I remember also Dutch MoD was looking for a new DMR in .260 remington not too long ago (not sure how it went).
>I also think the army should develop a new more powerful SMG/PDW type weapon specifically for urban/CQC scenarios
Something like .264 USA (or even in 6mm) instead of 6.8 sig as an all purpose round for infantry (combat rifle, DMR, machine gun).
Something like the 6mm KAC PDW for CQC/non infantry.
I could see that.
>I also think the army should develop a new more powerful SMG/PDW type weapon specifically for urban/CQC scenarios that can be fielded when needed.
6.8SPC?
6.8SPC would work as an existing option, but I'm talking about something new or even something moronic like the 5.7x28 lengthened to ~33-38mm and given a steel head to handle pressures beyond ~60k PSI, bump it up to ~70-80k+ PSI.
Something small and fast.
>but if you expect 70%+ of your future combat needs are more like Kandahar valley than Bagdad urban combat
That’s a very dumb assumption when the last century of combat has shown you don’t get sight lines great than 500 yards very often
The army clearly thinks otherwise currently.
Yeah they're moronic, and always have been. It's a perfect example of preparing for the last war. It occurred in Afghanistan more often than normal, and they've changed doctrine and got some bullshit rifle.
.277 fury/6.8x51 is moronic and doesn’t do anything 6.5 sneedmore cant. Prove me wrong.
You act like they can’t standardize around a different caliber too.
$.02 have been deposited into your Sig account.
6.5 Creedmoor is a naked money grab, Swedish 6.5x55 has been around since 1890s, and probably killed more moose than any other existing round.
Long live the 6.5 Scan
>L129 re-chambered and updated as L129A2 with an M-LOK MARS-H upper from LMT
in other words, LMT will continue to be too busy to produce 308 uppers for civilian market for the time being.
6.5 basedmoor is the future of precision shooting.
.308/30-06 boomers are seething with their lower quality caliber
.308 still has its place. Yes it has worse ballistics than 6.5 but it’s a step up from 5.56 tier and 95% of gun owners never shoot past 500 yards anyhow. The price and availability of .308 give it a leg up.
Cool, nothing negative to say. Same rifle, just updated with benefits that another decade in the oven bring. Should be marginally lighter because mlok, be flatter further because creedmeme, and be cheap and compatible with all previous magazines and peripherals because in practice its just a new upper. An uncharacteristically sensible decision from the bongs.
I mean, there really wasn't any reason for SIG to design a whole new platform just for a higher pressure round. Just swap out the upper for a beef'd up chamber/barrel/BCG.
I completely agree. If this is what the army did for the NGSW I’d be quite happy. It’s applying improvements to stuff that’s already good and doesn’t bring much downside (if any) besides spending money and getting ammo.
>6.5CM
65mm????!! Jesus. Fricking. Christ. That's a 2.50 cal. How can you fire that thing without breaking your shoulder and knocking your nuts out of their sack?
Haha well spotted.
OP is a confirmed moron
>6.5cm
>65mm
μm
>omg metric huehuehue
We're done typing sneedmore.
See mutts, this is how you do DMR
It's demonstrably worse than the US special forces DMRs which are usually .300 norma mag or .338 norma mag.
SOCOM converted all their DMRs to 6.5 mememore (M110s and Mk.20s)
.300 and .338 is on their bolt-action shit like the Barret Mk.22
Black person they copied what the US already did
Sneedmore friends… we just keep winning
I’ve said it for three years and you morons always seethe. 6.5creed is going to completely overtake 308 in both military and civilian applications. 6.5 hunting rifles already routinely outsell their 308 counterparts at all major nationwide distributors
>t. knower
Anyone that isn't an unironic fricking boomer Fudd and can into basic fricking physics should've clued into this years ago. Sometimes the ersatz-Luddite inertia in the American gun community gets on my fricking nerves like nothing else.
I tell ya, mindset are tough to changes. I hunt with 6.5 and every single boomer (wood gun) tells me if doesn't work. .308 or 30-06, like that's the only caliber they know of. Yet, i do clean Hits and they butcher the animal like there's no tomorrow.
as a 6.5x55 lover I can dig it. cost of ammo ist too damn high though.
I KNEW I should've bought a 6.5 AR as my first one, but you homosexuals said that sneedmore was just a gay meme.
i'd be sitting pretty right now if I just bought the 6.5 AR-10 SBR I originally wanted.
unless you're doing DMR type shit 6.5 is a meme.
If you regularly hunt large deer or elk or something at longer range, then sure, 6.5 or .308 makes sense. Or if you want to do target plinking at 700+ yards.