It's not like they're getting rid of it you stupid frick.
Here is what is ACTUALLY happening
HMS PoW: big part broken, has to go into dry dock for repairs, will take lots of time and money
HMS QE: smaller part broken, but HMS PoW is already broken so we're gonna take the one off of that and put it onto HMS QE instead so it can keep running in the meantime.
HMS PoW will still get repaired, and the parts that are being sent to fix HMS QE will be replaced on HMS PoW, but since its already broken and waiting on long term repairs, it makes sense to salvage the spare parts for HMS QE as by the time the bigger repairs can be done on HMS PoW, you'll ALSO replace the parts you salvaged for HMS QE.
Tldr; instead of BOTH boats being broken, now only 1 boat is broken, and it's going to be fixed, it just might take slightly longer or cost a little bit more.
Noooooo stfu stfu stfu we are here to laugh at bongs
It's not like they're getting rid of it you stupid frick.
Here is what is ACTUALLY happening
HMS PoW: big part broken, has to go into dry dock for repairs, will take lots of time and money
HMS QE: smaller part broken, but HMS PoW is already broken so we're gonna take the one off of that and put it onto HMS QE instead so it can keep running in the meantime.
HMS PoW will still get repaired, and the parts that are being sent to fix HMS QE will be replaced on HMS PoW, but since its already broken and waiting on long term repairs, it makes sense to salvage the spare parts for HMS QE as by the time the bigger repairs can be done on HMS PoW, you'll ALSO replace the parts you salvaged for HMS QE.
Tldr; instead of BOTH boats being broken, now only 1 boat is broken, and it's going to be fixed, it just might take slightly longer or cost a little bit more.
pathetic bongs, what part of "newly built carriers are both broken" you don't understand? i don't give a shit that you're gonna repair them eventually, the point is that they shouldn't have broken in the first fricking place.
also, i never defended them both being broken at the same time, I'm just saying the idea that one ship is being taken apart and scrapped for the other ship to keep on going is just wrong, and it's what these clickbait articles are implying.
The part that kept breaking on the Type 45s was the intercooler that fed heat back into the Integrated Electric Propulsion system. It was the part made by Northrop Grumman. Perhaps they ought to stick to aircraft.
so you're saying they're gonna scrap PoW (I keep reading this as prisoner of war, nice name bongs) and it will never leave port under its own power again?
unironically, they listened to the US and stopped using Chinese components.
The original plan is to have just 2 carriers with enough quality to rotate them. If they have used Chinese, just like how the F-35 parts, they would have been fine.
BUT instead they used American which resulted in shitty specs and frequent breaking down. You think I am trolling? Why does the US need 3 carriers to maintain a carrier op rotation? That's right. They anticipated that somehow two of them would break down at the same time so they needed a third.
oh well, such is the life of a vassal. But it's not like the 2 bong carrier is useful in the big picture anyway KEK.
wait, so are the British going back to the age of sail thing of having two ships to have one ship so you could keep the other in Ordinary half the time?
About a third of American carriers are under repairs most of the time, it’s not something that ever went away, if anything they should be building more
American carriers and ships in general are low quality. They need 3 ships per one actual operational ship because they expect 2 of them to break down at the same time all the time.
They actually only have 3 operational carriers. The entire "Pacific fleet" always have at most 4 DDGs running at the same time. It's fricking pathetic. That's why there are rampaging piracy in SE before the PLAN started to expand.
Compared and contrast the rate of piracy in African in SEA in anywhere before and after PLAN presence. There's a world difference.
>American carriers and ships in general are low quality. They need 3 ships per one actual operational ship because they expect 2 of them to break down at the same time all the time.
no, the general rule of thumb is 1 training 1 repair/maintenance/1 operational.
nuffin special
1 year ago
Anonymous
>training
more like troony. There is nothing to operate to require the so-called "operational" carriers. You use the operational carrier to train.
There are at most 4 carriers not in dry dock all the time for the USN. What you says doesn't reflect reality, unless you count dilating in drydocks as "training."
it's just a cope for shoddy shipbuilding practices. If you don't have a equally robust civilian counterpart industry, your defense industry is guaranteed to be shit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Are you actually moronic? You can see the number of carriers at sea on the Navy's website at any time. Protip its not been 4 since the 1930s.
God punished those filthy albions for defiling his creation by pretending to be humans.
Now they will stop making fun of the French carrier >no ramp >nuclear powered >only one tower >hasn't been scrapped 4 years after being launched
How dare you post a factual qrd of the benefit of 2 carriers and not a click bait meme
Noooooo stfu stfu stfu we are here to laugh at bongs
>Now they will stop making fun of the French carrier
Come on Pierre, even if the entirety of the Royal Navy was just a single rowing boat we'd still be mocking the moronation of only having a single carrier (entirely for ego related reasons). Don't worry, it's only about 50% personal.
>entirely for ego related reasons
Don't be dumb. There should've been two carriers, but then 1989 and 1991 happened and "muh piss dividends" brainrot set in.
Exactly, you could have afforded two regular carriers without too much problems, but that overcharged Gallic ego of yours just HAD TO HAVE a nuclear carrier, so you could only afford one.
>overcharged Gallic ego of yours
Ain't a frog, so it's not personal. >two regular carriers
Nobody has been building large oil-fired boilers for military ships since the '60s, anon. And, without a source of steam, you had to use copeslopes. Stuff like COGES or EMALS are recent inventions. If you wanted a CATOBAR carrier in the '80s and '90s, it was nuclear or nothing.
Noobs don't know cannibalization is intrinsic to most fleet maintenance not just military or maritime. Air forces would barely fly without cann'ing to buffer Supply.
Came here to post this, seems I didn't need to. The huge amount of low IQ tourists on this board unfortunately means explanations like this are increasingly needed. Anyone with 2 braincells to rub together could have figured this out themselves.
Don't get too steamed over it. Its just shills ore idiots pretending to be shills. This is at least the second time this thread has been created and the new is like 2 days old
Very shortly after sailing from Portsmouth on 27th August a coupling that joins sections of the starboard propeller shaft failed, causing significant damage to the shaft, propeller and some superficial damage to the rudder. The ship was subsequently dry docked in Rosyth inspection and repair. It has emerged the coupling break was the result of vibration caused because the shaft was out of alignment, something that was known about long before the carrier first left the shipyard in 2019. Experts advised the shaft misalignment was “within acceptable tolerance levels” and should not be a problem. The ship was certified by Lloyds inspectors and steamed several thousand miles before the accumulated stress from the misalignment broke the coupling. There is an argument that reliance on the advice of a single expert when the shafts were known to have issues was taking too much of a risk and was the result of a rush to get the ship to sea for political reasons, precisely who bears responsibility is unclear.
On arrival in Rosyth, the port shaft was also inspected and showed similar signs of misalignment damage, requiring sections to be replaced. A new starboard propeller and shaft sections have been supplied by an overseas manufacturer. The initial plan was to complete the shaft repairs in Rosyth and then return to Portsmouth for a Capability Insertion Period (CIP) that includes aviation-related electronic upgrades. Since the shaft repairs have taken longer than expected, the CIP was started in Rosyth so as not to cause further delays. The CIP is now the greater part of the work and the remedial work on the shafts is likely to be completed ahead of the CIP. The cost of repairs, (excluding CIP which was budgeted for and planned long in advance) is expected to be approximately £25 million.
The Daily Mail article published on 23rd April claiming that PWLS has been “reduced to acting as a scrap yard to keep sister ship Queen Elizabeth afloat” is a juvenile clickbait and a distortion of the facts. In an ideal world, the RN would have a complete inventory of spare parts for all of its vessels but budgetary constraints mean that spares are taken from non-active vessels to ensure vessels on the front line can go to sea. STOROB is a routine, if not ideal, practice in most navies and taking selected equipment from PWLS for use on HMS Queen Elizabeth is a sensible short-term solution. This is not an indication that the PWLS has been reduced to some kind of donor hulk and is being cannibalised before she is scrapped. Equipment is not “ripped out” in haste, rather it is very carefully removed and transported to the sister vessel.
Many of the parts manufactured for the aircraft carriers (and indeed most naval vessels) are bespoke designs produced in very small numbers and it can be very expensive or impossible to obtain replacements at short notice. It is a prudent use of limited funds to remove the part from a ship that does not immediately need it and move it onto a frontline platform. The replacements will then be cheaper as the supplier has more time to manufacture them. In the case of some particularly expensive items such as parts for the Type 45 destroyers, new spares will not be purchased at all and they are cycled between ships of the same class as they move between operations and upkeep. This kind of STOROB is not a permanent long-term solution for the two aircraft carriers when it is planned to have periods when both ships will be operational and new spares will have to be purchased.
In the case of QNLZ, the two main items transferred from her sister ship were fuel coalescer filters and the chains used in the aircraft lifts. The filters are used to coalesce very fine water particles that may be present in the fuel into larger droplets than can then be removed more easily. The MT 30 Gas Turbines require fuel of extreme purity.
HMS Prince of Wales will return to Portsmouth in the next few months for some final maintenance work and the RN is confident she will be ready to begin her programme in August. This will almost certainly include the Westlant23 deployment where she will cross the Atlantic and conduct the much-delayed final round of flying trials with US-based F-35 jets. The DT-3 programme will include more advanced testing of shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing (SRVL) which will allow the F-35B to land on the ship with unused weapons or heavy fuel loads.
HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail in mid-May ahead of the CSG23 deployment in the summer. Details of this trip are not yet in the public domain but it is believed that the Carrier Strike Group will be sent to join NATO operations the eastern Mediterranean, although not expected to go east of Suez this year.
>shut down your steel industry >Offshore all blue-collar jobs to China, so ~~*investors*~~ can make more money. >Import cheap shitty steel >Be unable to defend yourselves.
This was always the endgame for West. All of the west cannot produce material to supply a limited war in Ukraine.
Look up how many howitzers UK produced in 1915.
Problem was Thatcher selling everything off and allowing debt to massively increase boosted the economy and was popular and electorally successful, so no one was allowed to call it out without being called a crank or a dinosaur. So her ideas have persisted to this day.
British upper and middle class did this. Don't blame the Tories past the fact they did what laissez faire capitalists do.
Allowing communist backed unions to strike consistently and not offer any restitution such as reeducation to the industries that you have to shut down, like mining and the steel works that were supplying our shitty hand produced cars, while privatising every ounce of utilities so the price ever skyrocketed, especially post Net Zero moronation, was a consistent issue that the government slept on, long before Thatcher.
Britain needed to take the Japan pill but instead went into class turmoil where the middle class blamed the working class for not allowing the middle class to shut down the industries that the working class relied on and the unions, instead of allowing automation, told the working class the middle class was the issue and directed hate at them and not the actual issues of Britain being 20 years behind Germany/France/Sweden and 40 years behind Japan.
It's gotten no better after there was little automation due to the incessant paperwork and council/industrial interference in the UK so Britain basically rotted from the inside while millions of pakis, poos and nigs were brought in to patch up the ever aging production.
Thatcher and then later Major's policies directly caused the housing crisis we find ourselves in, and closing the collieries was done with no regard as to what these people were going to do for work. You cant just put thousands of people out of work and expect then to "allow automation" and there was no transitionary plan in place for these industries to change their model while still allowing existing workers to move over. Everything from our natural resources, our energy companies and more importantly the national grid, mail, rail and now they're cannibalising the public health service as well. Even smaller things like allowing our car industry to be bought by indians and germans have had massive effects on what domestic industries we actually even have here.
Tories are to blame for all of this, those middle class wankers (probably tories or tory voters themselves) only followed on from the precedents set by people like Thatcher and Major
> 40 years behind Japan
Do boomers really believe this?
1 year ago
Anonymous
In terms of technology used in the UK on production lines and such? Britain was still using production methods from the late 50s in the 80s while Japan was beginning more modern production. Britain didn't get a taste of that until Toyota opened up in Donington and we got a Corolla factory using Japanese hardware.
Britain was massively behind in terms of vehicle production technology for a long ass time and it took till the late 90s to get any kind of parity with Europe or Japan. We are about even now but thats purely because outside robotic automation, there's only so far you can go with a production line. The same can be said of food factories as well. In the region I've done contracted maintenance, the machines are literally so old that even China doesn't have spare parts for them and we have active bidding wars to get specific parts against other outdated facilities using refurbs because the systems in question are from the fricking late 70s and the owners won't invest large amounts to modernise it.
New factories are perfectly fine and modern but if it's something like a seafood factory thats over 50 years old, there's machines there that are older than me and the companies involved in their manufacturing went bust/got bought out/moved production abroad decades ago.
>British upper and middle class did this. Don't blame the Tories past the fact they did what laissez faire capitalists do. >Allowing communist backed unions to strike consistently and not offer any restitution such as reeducation to the industries that you have to shut down, like mining and the steel works that were supplying our shitty hand produced cars, while privatising every ounce of utilities so the price ever skyrocketed, especially post Net Zero moronation, was a consistent issue that the government slept on, long before Thatcher.
The problem in britbongistan is that the degenerate upper upper class consist of israelites and israelite hybrids, and the equally degenerate lower upper class consists of goyim that adore them and emulate them. To be competitive in industrial works you need to constantly invent and reinvest in your industries, but israeli economic doctrines are 100% focused on maximum value extraction, so everything is run into the ground while profit is dispersed to the shareholders and upper management. This is exactly the same reason as to why Russia is an industrial dwarf compared to the Soviet Union and as to why America has imploded industrially.
Privatizing public utilities is another core tenet of israeli economic doctrines, since this allows for easy rentier parasitism on clueless goyim. These privatizations are commonly coupled with israeli lawfare that forbids you from drilling your own well or installing your own septic tank. 5th generation warfare is israeli warfare and if you want to master it you have to learn to think like a israelite, since they are the indisputable masters of this, having done 5G warfare since the bronze age.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Clement Attlee did this. Baldwin did this. Attlee gave away the empire without a fight, opened the doors to the whole world and began decolonization and globalization before either were a thing. Baldwin allowed the Bank of England to be controlled by the Americans and Germans when it mattered most. As the BoE was forcing austerity on us through the 20’s and 30’s which stripped Britain and the empire of the means to defend ourselves, its masters on Wall Street were funding the USSR, Italy, and Germany with free lines of credit and gold (Czech gold reserves stored in London just given over for free to the Germans without telling the British government, hello??????) for nigh 20 years before the outbreak of WW2. The German "economic miracle" was a BoE project.
To be perfectly clear: British wealth and industry was, unknown to the public, used to build up our enemies. British credit, steel, and chemicals were used to rain destruction down on our own cities, and we’ve never recovered since. Thatcher was just the surgeon who amputed the gangrenous limbs and bought the patient some time, but the rot is still terminal. The sterling crises of the 60’s and 70’s did us in. It’s literally over, and we’ve been in free-fall ever since.
Everybody was shitting on Russia until you came here to seethe about the UK cuz they had btfo you in some way, it’s clear for literally everyone to see that this is all the same butthurt guy making these threads
So we got 1 carrier and 5 ships of unknown class (bottom one is a supply ship?)...assuming we trust some random twitter account.
Oh, and also a single plane and a single helicopter. Where's the rest of the claim? Pictures are so shit I can't even seen the pennant numbers.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>random twitter
You mean the official JMSDF twitter?
>80 fixed wing sorties and 40 rotary sorties over 3 days.
An ok sortie rate for a STOBAR carrier of this size with such a large/unwieldy fighter like J-15, especially as pics suggest it isn't carrying a full airwing this deployment. Likely not doing intensive cycles either.
No, the random twitter in the first pic that claimed this was evidence of their 2nd carrier reaching the same level of "operational maturity" as their first. A concept reflected in the fuilename. Are we going to play dumb now and pretend like that wasn't the intent?
1 year ago
Anonymous
The twitter is right. The Japanese spotted the CV17 Shangdong, which is the 2nd carrier.
The first carrier CV16 Liaoning has done exactly those same excercises earlier, also with evidence provided by the helpful Japanese.
Maybe you should tell the Japanese to stop making propaganda for China by releasing such high quality pictures of the PLAN all the time.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Full deck Shangdong.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Full deck Liaoning.
Pennant number is always at the ski-jump for easy ID.
1 year ago
Anonymous
How long until chink carriers based on the kuznetsov-class are belching nasty black soot clouds that look like volcanic eruptions on satellite photos?
1 year ago
Anonymous
never.
Chinese maintenance is top notch and every piece of engine hardware is shiny new.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They're at least a step ahead of the USSR in that regard.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean, they're new. Admiral Kuznetsov used to look like this as well.
Also, they dont use that Mazut fuel.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean, they're new. Admiral Kuznetsov used to look like this as well.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They're at least a step ahead of the USSR in that regard.
Polishing the surfacing doesn't mean it's top notch internally.
Stop being moronic
I mean, they're new. Admiral Kuznetsov used to look like this as well.
I hope someday they open up the sealed up parts of its Russian sister tin can to find horrors beyond human comprehension
1 year ago
Anonymous
>open up the sealed up parts of its Russian sister tin can to find horrors beyond human comprehension
Altars to Baba Yaga and the Iron Wolf in hidden compartments.
Colonies of tiny gymnasts (the ones who failed to make the olympic teams) scuttling around the ventilation ducts.
Luminous pools of borscht with sentient fungi growing in them.
Putin's hidden vaults.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The twitter is right. The Japanese spotted the CV17 Shangdong, which is the 2nd carrier.
That wasn't the claim, the claim was that it was just as operational which has yet to be determined. If you just would have said it was out cruising around (which is all we know) then you wouldn't be getting pushback.
Now, is a carrier and 3 combat ships your idea of a CSG?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Now, is a carrier and 3 combat ships your idea of a CSG?
see
https://i.imgur.com/Te7er5f.jpg
actually, everytime there was a Type 055 present, which caused quite a ruckus because the Japanese really fears that thing in a mythical way (maybe because its a big ass warship and we all know japanese kind of have some special feelings for big ass warships).
and
https://i.imgur.com/H34xGcc.png
As spotted by the Japanese
There are 2x Type 055s, 1x 052D, 1x 054A and 1x Type 901 AOE
The Type 055 alone have more combined VLS than the entire british navy.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>actually, everytime there was a Type 055 present
Wasn't in the jap report that you are claiming as your source. If you got something else than post it up, don't give a shit about your government issued folder of propoganda pics.
said it well enough
1 year ago
Anonymous
According to the report from the japs its 2 missile destroyers, a frigate, and 2 supply ships
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052D_destroyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052C_destroyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_054A_frigate
About time they started practicing this. They are way behind if they expect to goto war anytime soon with their carriers, especially since they need to be refueled once a fricking week.
1 year ago
Anonymous
actually, everytime there was a Type 055 present, which caused quite a ruckus because the Japanese really fears that thing in a mythical way (maybe because its a big ass warship and we all know japanese kind of have some special feelings for big ass warships).
1 year ago
Anonymous
>actually, everytime there was a Type 055 present
Wasn't in the jap report that you are claiming as your source. If you got something else than post it up, don't give a shit about your government issued folder of propoganda pics.
So we have increased by an additional missile destroyer. So a CSG is a carrier (with no evidence of capable air wing) and 4 combat ships (one of them just a frigate)? This is the big deal?
They're at least a step ahead of the USSR in that regard.
So they claim. We'll see.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I would assume they've got at least 2 submarine escorts too.
1 year ago
Anonymous
...okay? Still not implessive just because you throw in a couple type 039s.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah because they TOTALLY wouldn't use their Type 093 for their brand new CSGs.
Come on kid, at least TRY and make sense with your argument.
Also what exactly do you think a CSG SHOULD consist of?
A US CSG is generally composed of the Carrier, Carrier air wing, 2-3 DDGs, and maybe another 2-3 smaller escorts, and then 2 SSNs.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Yeah because they TOTALLY wouldn't use their Type 093 for their brand new CSGs.
Seemed like a waste to chain one of their few SSNs to an easily trackable CSG but if you think that'd be preferable, then sure. Still doesn't change the calculus that much though. >A US CSG is generally composed of the Carrier, Carrier air wing, 2-3 DDGs, and maybe another 2-3 smaller escorts, and then 2 SSNs.
Forgot the cruiser or two. Plus they usually run with 2 or 3 corvettes nowadays (least the ones banging around the Pacific). >Carrier air wing
Yeah, still waiting to see evidence of that. But everyone time I bring that up it seems to get glossed over and ignored. Funny that. I'm sure its just an accident and I shouldn't read into it...
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Forgot the cruiser or two. Plus they usually run with 2 or 3 corvettes nowadays (least the ones banging around the Pacific).
No I didn't, those would be the > maybe another 2-3 smaller escorts
1 year ago
Anonymous
>cruisers are smaller than destroyers
Bye bye tourist
1 year ago
Anonymous
homie, the cruisers are just DDGs by a different name, and they're included in that count.
Usually it's 1-2 DDGs and 1 Tico.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You really don't need to convince me you have no idea what you are talking about . I got it clearly the first time. Run on back now.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Lol you're the delusional moron who seems to think US CSGs are made up of almost a dozen surface combatants.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>which caused quite a ruckus because the Japanese really fears that thing in a mythical way
Oh, you're just trolling. You had me going for a bit.
>To think we are going to see at least 5 carrier groups getting sunk within a couple of decades.
China will have more than 5 carrier battle groups by 2030. I would say that they can get parity with USN by 2030-33 if they are willing to invest money in production. Thats why there are so much warmongering noises from America right now, they know that they have to strike before the chinks grow too big and strong.
China wasting its money on expensive yet useless stuff like that would be somewhat of a good thing from western perspective, though.
That amount of carriers is pointless for their territorial waters. And China is not a global power. No amount of carriers would let them project power everywhere without friendly ports and support all over the globe. The only purpose would be a dickwaving contest with USA. I doubt chinks are that moronic with their money.
>China wasting its money on expensive yet useless stuff like that would be somewhat of a good thing from western perspective, though.
China building carriers and escort vessels is "wasting money on useless stuff" while USA building carriers and escort vessels is "investing in our military capability". The fact is, America cannot afford an arms race with China, nor can it participate, since it lacks the industrial base.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Indeed, chinks lack the global ties to make any serious use of them. Amassing carriers to bully their local neighborhood is not the brightest idea.
Those kuznetsov-derived conventional fuel burners hardly even count as blue water carriers. China is a toddler playing at the shallow end of the pool.
Countries where you get shot for reporting this kind of thing don't have an economy of $874.5 billion, and usually don't bother with LARPing as an empire.
UK should surrender the Falklands, Gibraltar, and Northern Ireland; and put an end to this farce.
If your military continues to decay like this, we very well might. Save yourself the embarrassment. Not even Scotland wants to be part of your country anymore, and without them (GDP of $205 billion), you'll be completely fricked.
Second Scottish Independence Referendum is coming, as is Irish unification. The EU won't allow Spain's national sovereignty to be violated any longer either. The UK is now in the same boat as Putin.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Keep going Bubba, show us all what your last meth trip told you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Second Scottish Independence Referendum is coming
I wonder what the average downtime due to parts replacement on American carriers looks like and whether or not it's similar and or happens just as often but is considerably less visible due to the nature of them having like 9 of these things. Probably it's a bit worse for Brits as they're walking in and around topical land that, more recently, has been somewhat out of their expertise. Not to mention the US being able to dabble in waters of considerable difference regarding resources and general wealth. France has had many issues with its carrier as well. At one point one might wonder and ponder the use in national defense, or expansion of influence world-wide, if smaller nations can't rightly keep large fleet carriers up and running for a reasonable amount of time. The idea of one in dry and one out operating is somewhat worthy of the bin if you can't even keep one running.
>spam the same threads over and over >nobody actually reads the source (the source 'Navy source') >the parts that were 'cannibalised' were done to ensure the ship was operational while the replacement was built (wtf things need maintenance?)
it is a literal nothing burger. this is like moaning about littoral ships for the USN being shit because they have no range and are constantly sinking or going to sink.
what's even the point of britain having a carrier. It has no colonial aspirations, no jingo culture, it's a thoroughly de-fanged country. At least france has some semblance of militarism left and enough political will to wave it's dick around weaker countries.
It's not like they're getting rid of it you stupid frick.
Here is what is ACTUALLY happening
HMS PoW: big part broken, has to go into dry dock for repairs, will take lots of time and money
HMS QE: smaller part broken, but HMS PoW is already broken so we're gonna take the one off of that and put it onto HMS QE instead so it can keep running in the meantime.
HMS PoW will still get repaired, and the parts that are being sent to fix HMS QE will be replaced on HMS PoW, but since its already broken and waiting on long term repairs, it makes sense to salvage the spare parts for HMS QE as by the time the bigger repairs can be done on HMS PoW, you'll ALSO replace the parts you salvaged for HMS QE.
Tldr; instead of BOTH boats being broken, now only 1 boat is broken, and it's going to be fixed, it just might take slightly longer or cost a little bit more.
How dare you post a factual qrd of the benefit of 2 carriers and not a click bait meme
pathetic bongs, what part of "newly built carriers are both broken" you don't understand? i don't give a shit that you're gonna repair them eventually, the point is that they shouldn't have broken in the first fricking place.
>pathetic bongs
American actually
also, i never defended them both being broken at the same time, I'm just saying the idea that one ship is being taken apart and scrapped for the other ship to keep on going is just wrong, and it's what these clickbait articles are implying.
Shit breaks when you use it moron
>what part of [thing] you don't understand?
ESL detected, likely Indian or Brazilian
Noooooo stfu stfu stfu we are here to laugh at bongs
Why are those carriers broken at the same time
Because when the shit could drizzle, it pours.
Murphies law
bong genetics
>It's not like they're getting rid of it you stupid frick.
they will get rid of them quicker than you think given their track record
But they've only been in service for two years why are they both broken in the first place?
the last PROVE military ship design the bongs did was the type45 and that only because it was basicly a fremm
Didn't the Type 45 also break all the time?
yes but at least it could travel further than those POS lol
The part that kept breaking on the Type 45s was the intercooler that fed heat back into the Integrated Electric Propulsion system. It was the part made by Northrop Grumman. Perhaps they ought to stick to aircraft.
>the last PROVE
How can you not have a nice day for being brown?
No they are made around the PAAMS/Horizon program
Not yet, no first they are going to waste even more money on them to try and save some face
>tldr the front fell off
Criminally underrated
its interesting because you need your roleplay boats to actually work if you want them to work in a war
so you're saying they're gonna scrap PoW (I keep reading this as prisoner of war, nice name bongs) and it will never leave port under its own power again?
what’s the actual problem with the HMS Prince of Wales?
unironically, they listened to the US and stopped using Chinese components.
The original plan is to have just 2 carriers with enough quality to rotate them. If they have used Chinese, just like how the F-35 parts, they would have been fine.
BUT instead they used American which resulted in shitty specs and frequent breaking down. You think I am trolling? Why does the US need 3 carriers to maintain a carrier op rotation? That's right. They anticipated that somehow two of them would break down at the same time so they needed a third.
oh well, such is the life of a vassal. But it's not like the 2 bong carrier is useful in the big picture anyway KEK.
>incoherent warriortard seething in a warriortard thread
More news at 11.
>no argument
I accept your confession.
Thanks for letting me know this "world power" has not one, but two broken carriers. How embarrassing.
wait, so are the British going back to the age of sail thing of having two ships to have one ship so you could keep the other in Ordinary half the time?
About a third of American carriers are under repairs most of the time, it’s not something that ever went away, if anything they should be building more
I didn't know that, I don't know why I thought they stopped doing that, it's not like ships got less complex or something.
American carriers and ships in general are low quality. They need 3 ships per one actual operational ship because they expect 2 of them to break down at the same time all the time.
They actually only have 3 operational carriers. The entire "Pacific fleet" always have at most 4 DDGs running at the same time. It's fricking pathetic. That's why there are rampaging piracy in SE before the PLAN started to expand.
Compared and contrast the rate of piracy in African in SEA in anywhere before and after PLAN presence. There's a world difference.
>American carriers and ships in general are low quality. They need 3 ships per one actual operational ship because they expect 2 of them to break down at the same time all the time.
no, the general rule of thumb is 1 training 1 repair/maintenance/1 operational.
nuffin special
>training
more like troony. There is nothing to operate to require the so-called "operational" carriers. You use the operational carrier to train.
There are at most 4 carriers not in dry dock all the time for the USN. What you says doesn't reflect reality, unless you count dilating in drydocks as "training."
it's just a cope for shoddy shipbuilding practices. If you don't have a equally robust civilian counterpart industry, your defense industry is guaranteed to be shit.
Are you actually moronic? You can see the number of carriers at sea on the Navy's website at any time. Protip its not been 4 since the 1930s.
God punished those filthy albions for defiling his creation by pretending to be humans.
Now they will stop making fun of the French carrier
>no ramp
>nuclear powered
>only one tower
>hasn't been scrapped 4 years after being launched
obvious samegay is obvious
>Now they will stop making fun of the French carrier
Come on Pierre, even if the entirety of the Royal Navy was just a single rowing boat we'd still be mocking the moronation of only having a single carrier (entirely for ego related reasons). Don't worry, it's only about 50% personal.
>entirely for ego related reasons
Don't be dumb. There should've been two carriers, but then 1989 and 1991 happened and "muh piss dividends" brainrot set in.
Exactly, you could have afforded two regular carriers without too much problems, but that overcharged Gallic ego of yours just HAD TO HAVE a nuclear carrier, so you could only afford one.
>overcharged Gallic ego of yours
Ain't a frog, so it's not personal.
>two regular carriers
Nobody has been building large oil-fired boilers for military ships since the '60s, anon. And, without a source of steam, you had to use copeslopes. Stuff like COGES or EMALS are recent inventions. If you wanted a CATOBAR carrier in the '80s and '90s, it was nuclear or nothing.
moron
oops sent the wrong picture
I'm trans and british btw
Stop stealing my cred, homie
kay
So why aren't you guys using your third carrier?
Noobs don't know cannibalization is intrinsic to most fleet maintenance not just military or maritime. Air forces would barely fly without cann'ing to buffer Supply.
Came here to post this, seems I didn't need to. The huge amount of low IQ tourists on this board unfortunately means explanations like this are increasingly needed. Anyone with 2 braincells to rub together could have figured this out themselves.
Don't get too steamed over it. Its just shills ore idiots pretending to be shills. This is at least the second time this thread has been created and the new is like 2 days old
Why don't you just buy a Nimitz
>reddit spacing
Not like this...
He should have gone much faster than that.
Oh no, hato is over! How will now hato ever compete with superior ruzzianz "one" shitty carrier?
Very shortly after sailing from Portsmouth on 27th August a coupling that joins sections of the starboard propeller shaft failed, causing significant damage to the shaft, propeller and some superficial damage to the rudder. The ship was subsequently dry docked in Rosyth inspection and repair. It has emerged the coupling break was the result of vibration caused because the shaft was out of alignment, something that was known about long before the carrier first left the shipyard in 2019. Experts advised the shaft misalignment was “within acceptable tolerance levels” and should not be a problem. The ship was certified by Lloyds inspectors and steamed several thousand miles before the accumulated stress from the misalignment broke the coupling. There is an argument that reliance on the advice of a single expert when the shafts were known to have issues was taking too much of a risk and was the result of a rush to get the ship to sea for political reasons, precisely who bears responsibility is unclear.
On arrival in Rosyth, the port shaft was also inspected and showed similar signs of misalignment damage, requiring sections to be replaced. A new starboard propeller and shaft sections have been supplied by an overseas manufacturer. The initial plan was to complete the shaft repairs in Rosyth and then return to Portsmouth for a Capability Insertion Period (CIP) that includes aviation-related electronic upgrades. Since the shaft repairs have taken longer than expected, the CIP was started in Rosyth so as not to cause further delays. The CIP is now the greater part of the work and the remedial work on the shafts is likely to be completed ahead of the CIP. The cost of repairs, (excluding CIP which was budgeted for and planned long in advance) is expected to be approximately £25 million.
The Daily Mail article published on 23rd April claiming that PWLS has been “reduced to acting as a scrap yard to keep sister ship Queen Elizabeth afloat” is a juvenile clickbait and a distortion of the facts. In an ideal world, the RN would have a complete inventory of spare parts for all of its vessels but budgetary constraints mean that spares are taken from non-active vessels to ensure vessels on the front line can go to sea. STOROB is a routine, if not ideal, practice in most navies and taking selected equipment from PWLS for use on HMS Queen Elizabeth is a sensible short-term solution. This is not an indication that the PWLS has been reduced to some kind of donor hulk and is being cannibalised before she is scrapped. Equipment is not “ripped out” in haste, rather it is very carefully removed and transported to the sister vessel.
Many of the parts manufactured for the aircraft carriers (and indeed most naval vessels) are bespoke designs produced in very small numbers and it can be very expensive or impossible to obtain replacements at short notice. It is a prudent use of limited funds to remove the part from a ship that does not immediately need it and move it onto a frontline platform. The replacements will then be cheaper as the supplier has more time to manufacture them. In the case of some particularly expensive items such as parts for the Type 45 destroyers, new spares will not be purchased at all and they are cycled between ships of the same class as they move between operations and upkeep. This kind of STOROB is not a permanent long-term solution for the two aircraft carriers when it is planned to have periods when both ships will be operational and new spares will have to be purchased.
In the case of QNLZ, the two main items transferred from her sister ship were fuel coalescer filters and the chains used in the aircraft lifts. The filters are used to coalesce very fine water particles that may be present in the fuel into larger droplets than can then be removed more easily. The MT 30 Gas Turbines require fuel of extreme purity.
HMS Prince of Wales will return to Portsmouth in the next few months for some final maintenance work and the RN is confident she will be ready to begin her programme in August. This will almost certainly include the Westlant23 deployment where she will cross the Atlantic and conduct the much-delayed final round of flying trials with US-based F-35 jets. The DT-3 programme will include more advanced testing of shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing (SRVL) which will allow the F-35B to land on the ship with unused weapons or heavy fuel loads.
HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail in mid-May ahead of the CSG23 deployment in the summer. Details of this trip are not yet in the public domain but it is believed that the Carrier Strike Group will be sent to join NATO operations the eastern Mediterranean, although not expected to go east of Suez this year.
This has been debunked already, i also like how you hid the source - the national - which is a hilariously one eyed Scottish nationalist website.
>shut down your steel industry
>Offshore all blue-collar jobs to China, so ~~*investors*~~ can make more money.
>Import cheap shitty steel
>Be unable to defend yourselves.
This was always the endgame for West. All of the west cannot produce material to supply a limited war in Ukraine.
Look up how many howitzers UK produced in 1915.
bro europe produces plenty of steel
Britain produces next to nothing
Thatcher and Major did this
Problem was Thatcher selling everything off and allowing debt to massively increase boosted the economy and was popular and electorally successful, so no one was allowed to call it out without being called a crank or a dinosaur. So her ideas have persisted to this day.
British upper and middle class did this. Don't blame the Tories past the fact they did what laissez faire capitalists do.
Allowing communist backed unions to strike consistently and not offer any restitution such as reeducation to the industries that you have to shut down, like mining and the steel works that were supplying our shitty hand produced cars, while privatising every ounce of utilities so the price ever skyrocketed, especially post Net Zero moronation, was a consistent issue that the government slept on, long before Thatcher.
Britain needed to take the Japan pill but instead went into class turmoil where the middle class blamed the working class for not allowing the middle class to shut down the industries that the working class relied on and the unions, instead of allowing automation, told the working class the middle class was the issue and directed hate at them and not the actual issues of Britain being 20 years behind Germany/France/Sweden and 40 years behind Japan.
It's gotten no better after there was little automation due to the incessant paperwork and council/industrial interference in the UK so Britain basically rotted from the inside while millions of pakis, poos and nigs were brought in to patch up the ever aging production.
Thatcher and then later Major's policies directly caused the housing crisis we find ourselves in, and closing the collieries was done with no regard as to what these people were going to do for work. You cant just put thousands of people out of work and expect then to "allow automation" and there was no transitionary plan in place for these industries to change their model while still allowing existing workers to move over. Everything from our natural resources, our energy companies and more importantly the national grid, mail, rail and now they're cannibalising the public health service as well. Even smaller things like allowing our car industry to be bought by indians and germans have had massive effects on what domestic industries we actually even have here.
Tories are to blame for all of this, those middle class wankers (probably tories or tory voters themselves) only followed on from the precedents set by people like Thatcher and Major
> 40 years behind Japan
Do boomers really believe this?
In terms of technology used in the UK on production lines and such? Britain was still using production methods from the late 50s in the 80s while Japan was beginning more modern production. Britain didn't get a taste of that until Toyota opened up in Donington and we got a Corolla factory using Japanese hardware.
Britain was massively behind in terms of vehicle production technology for a long ass time and it took till the late 90s to get any kind of parity with Europe or Japan. We are about even now but thats purely because outside robotic automation, there's only so far you can go with a production line. The same can be said of food factories as well. In the region I've done contracted maintenance, the machines are literally so old that even China doesn't have spare parts for them and we have active bidding wars to get specific parts against other outdated facilities using refurbs because the systems in question are from the fricking late 70s and the owners won't invest large amounts to modernise it.
New factories are perfectly fine and modern but if it's something like a seafood factory thats over 50 years old, there's machines there that are older than me and the companies involved in their manufacturing went bust/got bought out/moved production abroad decades ago.
>British upper and middle class did this. Don't blame the Tories past the fact they did what laissez faire capitalists do.
>Allowing communist backed unions to strike consistently and not offer any restitution such as reeducation to the industries that you have to shut down, like mining and the steel works that were supplying our shitty hand produced cars, while privatising every ounce of utilities so the price ever skyrocketed, especially post Net Zero moronation, was a consistent issue that the government slept on, long before Thatcher.
The problem in britbongistan is that the degenerate upper upper class consist of israelites and israelite hybrids, and the equally degenerate lower upper class consists of goyim that adore them and emulate them. To be competitive in industrial works you need to constantly invent and reinvest in your industries, but israeli economic doctrines are 100% focused on maximum value extraction, so everything is run into the ground while profit is dispersed to the shareholders and upper management. This is exactly the same reason as to why Russia is an industrial dwarf compared to the Soviet Union and as to why America has imploded industrially.
Privatizing public utilities is another core tenet of israeli economic doctrines, since this allows for easy rentier parasitism on clueless goyim. These privatizations are commonly coupled with israeli lawfare that forbids you from drilling your own well or installing your own septic tank. 5th generation warfare is israeli warfare and if you want to master it you have to learn to think like a israelite, since they are the indisputable masters of this, having done 5G warfare since the bronze age.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Clement Attlee did this. Baldwin did this. Attlee gave away the empire without a fight, opened the doors to the whole world and began decolonization and globalization before either were a thing. Baldwin allowed the Bank of England to be controlled by the Americans and Germans when it mattered most. As the BoE was forcing austerity on us through the 20’s and 30’s which stripped Britain and the empire of the means to defend ourselves, its masters on Wall Street were funding the USSR, Italy, and Germany with free lines of credit and gold (Czech gold reserves stored in London just given over for free to the Germans without telling the British government, hello??????) for nigh 20 years before the outbreak of WW2. The German "economic miracle" was a BoE project.
To be perfectly clear: British wealth and industry was, unknown to the public, used to build up our enemies. British credit, steel, and chemicals were used to rain destruction down on our own cities, and we’ve never recovered since. Thatcher was just the surgeon who amputed the gangrenous limbs and bought the patient some time, but the rot is still terminal. The sterling crises of the 60’s and 70’s did us in. It’s literally over, and we’ve been in free-fall ever since.
England is poor
should have bought Chinese like the biggest navy in the world did.
Can never go wrong with Chinese. The USN proved it!
I still cant believe that this shit is real. How can Americans still cope.
We have the most money, guns, airframes, and aircraft carriers.
I sleep pretty well at night all things considered.
we don't use fake/out of context webms to show how superior we are
>if the video makes us look bad and does not last at least 5 hours to provide ""background"", it's out of context.
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vatnig moment to be honest
ARE THOSE
THOSE
THOSE
THOSE SPY CRANES!?
>BOTH carriers broken at the same time
>warriortard samegayging
Everybody was shitting on Russia until you came here to seethe about the UK cuz they had btfo you in some way, it’s clear for literally everyone to see that this is all the same butthurt guy making these threads
These repeat threads are asinine warriortard.
So now there's only the US and PLAN still in the carrier race?
Imagine the tofu dreg
Yeah basically.
Chinese carrier cruises are also getting increasingly longer and more complex.
Yeah, China got their 2 operational carrier groups and 1 new one just finished up. They still have 2 more in the works.
>China got their 2 operational carrier groups and 1 new one just finished up
May I see them?
One is operating near Guam and the other in the SCS near the Philippines right now
That a no then?
As spotted by the Japanese
Satellite shot
And april 25 again, this time with flight ops
So we got 1 carrier and 5 ships of unknown class (bottom one is a supply ship?)...assuming we trust some random twitter account.
Oh, and also a single plane and a single helicopter. Where's the rest of the claim? Pictures are so shit I can't even seen the pennant numbers.
>random twitter
You mean the official JMSDF twitter?
https://twitter.com/jointstaffpa/status/1645275513286721537
>80 fixed wing sorties and 40 rotary sorties over 3 days.
An ok sortie rate for a STOBAR carrier of this size with such a large/unwieldy fighter like J-15, especially as pics suggest it isn't carrying a full airwing this deployment. Likely not doing intensive cycles either.
Also, doing UNREP with a Type 901 AOE
https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1645830182362820608/photo/1
No, the random twitter in the first pic that claimed this was evidence of their 2nd carrier reaching the same level of "operational maturity" as their first. A concept reflected in the fuilename. Are we going to play dumb now and pretend like that wasn't the intent?
The twitter is right. The Japanese spotted the CV17 Shangdong, which is the 2nd carrier.
The first carrier CV16 Liaoning has done exactly those same excercises earlier, also with evidence provided by the helpful Japanese.
Maybe you should tell the Japanese to stop making propaganda for China by releasing such high quality pictures of the PLAN all the time.
Full deck Shangdong.
Full deck Liaoning.
Pennant number is always at the ski-jump for easy ID.
How long until chink carriers based on the kuznetsov-class are belching nasty black soot clouds that look like volcanic eruptions on satellite photos?
never.
Chinese maintenance is top notch and every piece of engine hardware is shiny new.
They're at least a step ahead of the USSR in that regard.
Also, they dont use that Mazut fuel.
I mean, they're new. Admiral Kuznetsov used to look like this as well.
Polishing the surfacing doesn't mean it's top notch internally.
Stop being moronic
I hope someday they open up the sealed up parts of its Russian sister tin can to find horrors beyond human comprehension
>open up the sealed up parts of its Russian sister tin can to find horrors beyond human comprehension
Altars to Baba Yaga and the Iron Wolf in hidden compartments.
Colonies of tiny gymnasts (the ones who failed to make the olympic teams) scuttling around the ventilation ducts.
Luminous pools of borscht with sentient fungi growing in them.
Putin's hidden vaults.
>The twitter is right. The Japanese spotted the CV17 Shangdong, which is the 2nd carrier.
That wasn't the claim, the claim was that it was just as operational which has yet to be determined. If you just would have said it was out cruising around (which is all we know) then you wouldn't be getting pushback.
Now, is a carrier and 3 combat ships your idea of a CSG?
>Now, is a carrier and 3 combat ships your idea of a CSG?
see
and
There are 2x Type 055s, 1x 052D, 1x 054A and 1x Type 901 AOE
The Type 055 alone have more combined VLS than the entire british navy.
said it well enough
According to the report from the japs its 2 missile destroyers, a frigate, and 2 supply ships
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052D_destroyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052C_destroyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_054A_frigate
About time they started practicing this. They are way behind if they expect to goto war anytime soon with their carriers, especially since they need to be refueled once a fricking week.
actually, everytime there was a Type 055 present, which caused quite a ruckus because the Japanese really fears that thing in a mythical way (maybe because its a big ass warship and we all know japanese kind of have some special feelings for big ass warships).
>actually, everytime there was a Type 055 present
Wasn't in the jap report that you are claiming as your source. If you got something else than post it up, don't give a shit about your government issued folder of propoganda pics.
https://twitter.com/jointstaffpa/status/1650719985692725249/photo/1
Can you read Katakana?
>レンハイ型巡洋艦
>レンハイ
And yes, that's from the current cruise
(4月25日)
So we have increased by an additional missile destroyer. So a CSG is a carrier (with no evidence of capable air wing) and 4 combat ships (one of them just a frigate)? This is the big deal?
So they claim. We'll see.
I would assume they've got at least 2 submarine escorts too.
...okay? Still not implessive just because you throw in a couple type 039s.
Yeah because they TOTALLY wouldn't use their Type 093 for their brand new CSGs.
Come on kid, at least TRY and make sense with your argument.
Also what exactly do you think a CSG SHOULD consist of?
A US CSG is generally composed of the Carrier, Carrier air wing, 2-3 DDGs, and maybe another 2-3 smaller escorts, and then 2 SSNs.
>Yeah because they TOTALLY wouldn't use their Type 093 for their brand new CSGs.
Seemed like a waste to chain one of their few SSNs to an easily trackable CSG but if you think that'd be preferable, then sure. Still doesn't change the calculus that much though.
>A US CSG is generally composed of the Carrier, Carrier air wing, 2-3 DDGs, and maybe another 2-3 smaller escorts, and then 2 SSNs.
Forgot the cruiser or two. Plus they usually run with 2 or 3 corvettes nowadays (least the ones banging around the Pacific).
>Carrier air wing
Yeah, still waiting to see evidence of that. But everyone time I bring that up it seems to get glossed over and ignored. Funny that. I'm sure its just an accident and I shouldn't read into it...
>Forgot the cruiser or two. Plus they usually run with 2 or 3 corvettes nowadays (least the ones banging around the Pacific).
No I didn't, those would be the
> maybe another 2-3 smaller escorts
>cruisers are smaller than destroyers
Bye bye tourist
homie, the cruisers are just DDGs by a different name, and they're included in that count.
Usually it's 1-2 DDGs and 1 Tico.
You really don't need to convince me you have no idea what you are talking about . I got it clearly the first time. Run on back now.
Lol you're the delusional moron who seems to think US CSGs are made up of almost a dozen surface combatants.
>which caused quite a ruckus because the Japanese really fears that thing in a mythical way
Oh, you're just trolling. You had me going for a bit.
To think we are going to see at least 5 carrier groups getting sunk within a couple of decades.
Thats one likely, alternative is for US to back down.
>To think we are going to see at least 5 carrier groups getting sunk within a couple of decades.
China will have more than 5 carrier battle groups by 2030. I would say that they can get parity with USN by 2030-33 if they are willing to invest money in production. Thats why there are so much warmongering noises from America right now, they know that they have to strike before the chinks grow too big and strong.
>China will have more than 5 carrier battle groups by 2030.
Not even the chinks are claiming this. How strong is that hopium they got you huffing?
China wasting its money on expensive yet useless stuff like that would be somewhat of a good thing from western perspective, though.
That amount of carriers is pointless for their territorial waters. And China is not a global power. No amount of carriers would let them project power everywhere without friendly ports and support all over the globe. The only purpose would be a dickwaving contest with USA. I doubt chinks are that moronic with their money.
>China wasting its money on expensive yet useless stuff like that would be somewhat of a good thing from western perspective, though.
China building carriers and escort vessels is "wasting money on useless stuff" while USA building carriers and escort vessels is "investing in our military capability". The fact is, America cannot afford an arms race with China, nor can it participate, since it lacks the industrial base.
Indeed, chinks lack the global ties to make any serious use of them. Amassing carriers to bully their local neighborhood is not the brightest idea.
Those kuznetsov-derived conventional fuel burners hardly even count as blue water carriers. China is a toddler playing at the shallow end of the pool.
Test.
Imagine how bad it is in countries where you get shot for reporting on this kind of thing
Countries where you get shot for reporting this kind of thing don't have an economy of $874.5 billion, and usually don't bother with LARPing as an empire.
UK should surrender the Falklands, Gibraltar, and Northern Ireland; and put an end to this farce.
Come and take them, homosexual
If your military continues to decay like this, we very well might. Save yourself the embarrassment. Not even Scotland wants to be part of your country anymore, and without them (GDP of $205 billion), you'll be completely fricked.
It's always fun when an American thinks he has any idea about anything.
Second Scottish Independence Referendum is coming, as is Irish unification. The EU won't allow Spain's national sovereignty to be violated any longer either. The UK is now in the same boat as Putin.
Keep going Bubba, show us all what your last meth trip told you.
>Second Scottish Independence Referendum is coming
Oh yeah? Whens the date?
>$874.5 billion
poland?
>usually don't bother with LARPing as an empire.
actually, a lot of them do
England should get rid of its military entirely so it can build more mosques.
I wonder what the average downtime due to parts replacement on American carriers looks like and whether or not it's similar and or happens just as often but is considerably less visible due to the nature of them having like 9 of these things. Probably it's a bit worse for Brits as they're walking in and around topical land that, more recently, has been somewhat out of their expertise. Not to mention the US being able to dabble in waters of considerable difference regarding resources and general wealth. France has had many issues with its carrier as well. At one point one might wonder and ponder the use in national defense, or expansion of influence world-wide, if smaller nations can't rightly keep large fleet carriers up and running for a reasonable amount of time. The idea of one in dry and one out operating is somewhat worthy of the bin if you can't even keep one running.
Probably almost zero because America just makes parts ahead of time.
That's exactly why there's two of them.
Meanwhile, France sweats profusely thinking of its single Charles de Gaulle
Why does France lives rent free in your mind anon?
because they could be based, but are just petty and chauvinistic. A waste.
>spam the same threads over and over
>nobody actually reads the source (the source 'Navy source')
>the parts that were 'cannibalised' were done to ensure the ship was operational while the replacement was built (wtf things need maintenance?)
it is a literal nothing burger. this is like moaning about littoral ships for the USN being shit because they have no range and are constantly sinking or going to sink.
>but what about the Americans experimental ship class!
kek
i saw this floating around /his trolling the brits a long time ago, but today i guess its even fricking funnier.
>ctrl+f dozen
>1 result
Fricking idiots can't even strawman worth a damn
2/10
I can shoot a gun better than any yank on this board because I have the sense to aim the gun away from my own head.
>t. Brit
what's even the point of britain having a carrier. It has no colonial aspirations, no jingo culture, it's a thoroughly de-fanged country. At least france has some semblance of militarism left and enough political will to wave it's dick around weaker countries.
And the largest EEZ in the world