>British army only has 2 divisions
>Currently running at a 10,000 staff shortage
>Current PM wants to cut that 10k out permanently and keep the army at 72k personnel
>Claims that cyberwarfare specialists will more than fill the hole of 10,000 soldiers as they will have a wider impact on modern war
>Current and all previous heads of the army pleading with the government to increase the Army's size before Russia really starts mobilising
>Constant dumb as frick advertisements for recruitment that do nothing
>Actual recruitment being handled by some third party company that doesn't reply to prospective soldiers for 18 months at a time, thousands abandon application due to this
>Current service rifle is being unfricked for the third time by H&K to bring it to a serviceable level, somehow fought in Afghanistan for 20 years with it
>No plans of replacing it because MUH ENFIELD despite constant underperformance
>All SF use Canadian C7s and C8s to cope
>Almost had a PM that wanted to scrap the nuclear deterrent and not upgrade the vanguard class subs
How do we fix Bongland's military
I don't know.
I fricking despair at my country, sometimes. I'm afraid that until we get a good kick in the teeth to wake us up, things will keep getting worse.
All points seem like symptoms of a typically complacent, decadent, short-termist society (plus the usual stratospheric MoD ineptitude). Vatnikistan's special murder operation is a bad thing for Ukraine, but a good wake-up call for the free world, especially as a war with China is likely at some point in the next decades.
>but a good wake-up call for the free world
But it hasn't. The West, specifically it's elites, are still is stuck in this never ending fever dream, while everything around them crumbles.
The world order is destined for collapse, and we can do nothing but play in it's ashes.
>All points seem like symptoms of a typically complacent, decadent, short-termist society
Spending enormous amounts of money on questionably-useful equipment for no reason is bad policy.
>"but it's not an enormous amount of money!"
Military spending is insanely expensive for what you actually get because if it's not cutting edge it's worthless trash.
>"but it's not questionably useful!"
Which will be more important in the next war: tanks, or drones? Anyone who says they know for sure is lying.
>"but there is a reason!"
Yeah? What is it? Is Russia going to plough through Ukraine, Polan, Germany, Belgium, cross the English channel, and then land in Dover within the next 3 years? Within the next 30? I thought the whole point of Brexit was to not be part of continental problems any more. You're not in the EU so get the frick out of Europe and stick to your island.
Right?
Or maybe isolationism was fricking moronic all along and this is true for both military spending AND diplomacy - but somehow people are incapable of holding these two thoughts in their mind simultaneously.
Conventional armies will be irrelevant in a nuclear war and in a non-nuclear war there will be time to mobilise, as Ukraine is more than adequately demonstrating. The UK army achieves enormous capability with a very low budget that perfectly suits the UK's needs.
And that's symptomatic of a typical high-functioning, democratic, policy-led society.
Sic semper tyrannis you fricking traitor.
They dont get it and never will. The op pic is telling
>the army is smaller! its weak! shameful!
Its the kind of thinking that got Russia into such trouble in Ukraine. too much time worrying about keeping a big army and glorious prestige projects, not enough time thinking about what armies are actually expected to do.
> I thought the whole point of Brexit was to not be part of continental problems any more. You're not in the EU so get the frick out of Europe and stick to your island.
Funny how you sound like the worst caricature of an uneducated, bigoted, Norfman Brexiteer. But no, we’ll still be going to your cheap seaside resorts on holiday. We just won’t be allowing Romanian ex-cons to come and live here no questions asked, we’d rather have people fleeing Hong Kong. I trust you don’t find this unreasonable.
>Or maybe isolationism was fricking moronic all along
Forgot to add: lol, no. It was never about isolationism, as proven by the UK extending hundreds of thousands of visas to Hong Kongers, being the earliest supporter of Ukraine in its war against Russia, in its numerous adventures in the Middle East. For better or worse, the one thing you cannot say about the UK is that it is isolationist. That’s really more the EU’s bag, if anything.
>nuclear deterrent
>increase budget
>do what the US does and have recruitment done by mid level NCOs who get bullied into suicide if they don't meet quota
>focus on RAF, RN, and on things like droneswarms and GMLRS that offer maximum battlefield effectiveness with relatively low manpower
>replace SA80 and derivatives with AR
I still to this day do not understand why anyone would purposely choose recruiter duty over the other 2
I wanted to join at 24 but the recruiters weren't actually interested in talking to me when I waned to ask basic questions. My younger brother also wanted to join and he's facing similar issues.
The recruiters don't actually ant anyone.
I will point out I am relatively tall, and relatively fit, fitter than most grunts I know who joined 5 years ago. It's weird.
Recruiters want idiots with no other choice. They want to you go infantry. The smart people joined for a trade and now there's zero room for any more.
Probably because your a drip from 4chin
That has been a problem. Their recruitment take-up rate was as low as 1% reportedly, which created questions if they really have valid reasons for rejecting 99% of applicants, or are they just not picking up the ball there.
20% budget increase ought to be able to fund 20% more frontline battalions
>bin the Ajax
I want goddamn heads to roll. A platoon of squaddies have consensual sex with a hooker, and the whole fricking Regiment gets punished. The entire top brass fricked up FRES/Ajax for literal fricking decades and billions of pounds, frick all happens. That's horseshit of the highest fricking order.
and all previous heads of the army pleading with the government to increase the Army's size before Russia really starts mobilising
Argentina is more of a threat to bongistan than Russia. The empire is gone. Stop pretending to be something you havn't been for almost a century.
I must have missed the nuclear and chemical weapon assassins Argentina has carried out on British soil, along with flying bombers into our airspace.
How is replacing the SA80 with AR15s going to help with assassinations? How is a third tank division going to prevent chemical weapons being smuggled in?
The issues with recruitment are fricking moronic and so long standing that someone needs to be tried from treason over them, nothing has damaged our forces more and driven away actual talented and motivated people.
The budget cuts ate moronic.
The L85A2 is fine, the A3 upgrade just has some quality of life upgrades. Replacing it wouldn't achieve much, the MOD needs to sort out the utter shambles around procurement with things like IFV's.
>Top 5 are some pre invasion tabloid headlines.
>The rest is a rant about the L85.
>Corbyn nearly scrapping Trident
And now back in the real world we have
>3rd biggest Defence budget
>Second increase in Defence budget to 2.5% of GDP
>Navy size increasing
>75 confirmed F35s possibly 138
>Largest force deployed with Nato after US
>Second Largest contributer to Nato
>Most combat experience troops after the US
>Constantly deployed ISR
>2 Carriers
>RFA
>Millions of Pallets
Oh and you could add the will to crush the Russian scum without a second thought as displayed since Febuary.
Things to improve however, bin the Ajax for CV90/KF21/Lynx, keep the C130js, increase manpower be it reserves or full timers.
here comes the defensejournalblognews/co/uk comments poster lmao
Smells like cope to me
Talking Army I'm assuming? Wasn't my experience going to RAF Cranwell, but that can be explained by differences in forces.
>3rd
Its 4th, you got dethroned by the poos
>angloland defense budget outspent by one part of its former Indian colony while the colony itself gets colonized by the other
Bravo on playing the long game, I guess
>Millions of Pallets
Arms are fine.
>Arms are fine.
What do you think you are, a Jedi? Imma Toydarian, mind tricks don't work on me. I SAID, PALLETS!
>bin the Ajax for CV90/KF21/Lynx
no you moron no
Ajax is a replacement for the Scimitar not the Warrior. Replacing Ajax with another obese IFV forced into the recce role is missing the point. The actual solution would be to either build something new on the CVRT/Stormer chassis or buy the EBRC Jaguar from France or work with Germany to develop a SuperWeasel
>build something new on the CVRT/Stormer chassis
Too light to be survivable
>buy the EBRC Jaguar from France
Tracks are currently preferred for armoured recce
>work with Germany to develop a SuperWeasel
Needs more teeth
>Too light to be survivable
Not the guy you're replying to but the heaviest MBT's aren't survivable on modern battlefields. Make a modern unmaned CVRT, throw on an APS with enough armour to stop a 30mm at 1000m and now we're talking.
Adding enough armour to a CVRT to withstand 30mm at 1km + aps + newer systems etc etc your just running the risk of Ajax pt2
Just get a CV90 with ATGM and upgrade the optics and comms and whatever the F35 interoperability thing is and call it a day, buy 1000 of them and the job is done.
>the heaviest MBT's aren't survivable on modern battlefields
"survivable" doesn't mean "can tank anything", it simply means "can tank MORE things"
>Make a modern unmaned CVRT
not practicable in a peer EW environment
>enough armour to stop a 30mm
that's the Puma IFV. Does it look remotely like SuperWiesel to you?
>Just get a CV90 with ATGM and upgrade the optics and comms and whatever the F35 interoperability thing is and call it a day, buy 1000 of them and the job is done
I think that's what they tried with Ajax, only with the ASCOD instead of CV90, except they fricked it up somehow in the process - rumour says the CTAS 40mm is the main problem but frick knows eh
>regiments
Regiments are an administrative/cultural formation, nitwit.
>Regiments are an administrative/cultural formation
...so? the British army fights in regiments that are woefully understrength and are therefore shit
>Super wiesel
We need somthing now not another decade of pissing about.
>Wheeled Jaguar
Wheels are gay
>CV90 is big
No
Get a fricking clue before calling somone a moron you simple c**t.
I think the biggest problem with recruiting is; drug testing. How many young men can honestly pass a drug test? Literally everyone smokes weed or does coke. Many men who would do great in the armed forces are bared from entry.
Army can solve this by saying they will do a urine test only and leave it as that.
This is also an ongoing bleeding sore for retention.
They're right. The army should consist of spec ops, cyber and drones.
Cavalry is useless, get rid of it
Tanks are pointless, get rid of them
Army should be amalgamated into 3 line infantry regiments kings reg, queens reg and push all Scots, Welsh and Irish together, have the current regiments as battalions.
One guards regiment, current regiments move to battalions.
Push paras into SOF, maybe even get rid of 2 and 3 para just keep 1.
Push all non infantry regiments eg engineers, logistics, medical together into combat support regiments.
Keep int separate.
Congrats, the army is fixed, mutch leaner and agile.
Will never happen because cavalry and guards especially are full of Freemasons and tradition.
Would mean losing more personnel but we can honestly afford to. What percent of the army is even deployable, like 30% or something?
>t. Bong soldier
>Mutch
Thanks autocorrect
>Filthy phoneposter
Lol this is basically just admitting you can’t fight as anything other than as American cum gargling expeditionary force. Which I kinda respect tbh but you seriously need have some level of just grunts/tanks/artillery in order to be able to be relevant in the defense of NATO.
You need manpower and you can’t just draft it in an emergency
We don't though. M8 the vast, VAST majority of meaningful work done by the army is done by a tiny number of people.
Anyone in the wider army does frick all. Seriously. Retention is so bad because it's genuinely fricking boring.
Trim away all the crap and excess and truly focus on the things that win wars. You don't need 20k soldiers sat doing nothing that wouldn't be able to deploy anyway. We don't need huge armies of reserves waiting to zerg rush an enemy.
Our force projection is good enough to go anywhere, we have bases where we can project almost anywhere, we have enough highly trained units actually doing stuff yet in the UK at lots of units it's basically just glorified welfare. Absolutely pointless.
That’s exactly how a peacetime army works, you have a lot of people who ain’t do shit. You need massive reserves of men in case your pretty expeditionary forces planning isn’t perfect. The Americans can get away with it due to sheer size.
Also you need some weight to be able to project power where it matters on the continent or into a middling country
I totally get what you're saying but my point is the vast majority of people in the army now can't even deploy so it's pointless having them. We have entire units that exist for no reason other than giving officers jobs, not even kidding. There's so many units close to the royals they'll never get rid of them though.
We need to make the army lethal again, not just sitting in a hangar bored out of their skulls.
>the vast majority of people in the army now can't even deploy so it's pointless having them
Then the problem is deploying them innit? You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, cutting the warm bodies like that. Kit them out at the very least as Uke-style infantry battalions so they can hold the line and soak the fire while the other fellows do the offensive work
Then
Wars aren't fought like that now and it's a waste of money. You'd be much better off investing in the useful people.
>Wars aren't fought like that now
>looks at Ukraine
Coulda fricking fooled me
This is short term thinking. Retention and recruitment is bad because there are no Ops to deploy to. It was ever thus.
What lack of major armed conflict and no longer being the global hegemon does to a motherfricker.
The US learned after WWII that you need people to do shit that isn't needed during peacetime so no one forgets how to do it during wartime
There's a reason why you're not officer material mate...
Most legit deployments of mil force are in disaster areas where people with guns need to stop people from acting like total morons until things get straightened out... lots of people with guns. Just standing around. Doing pretty much nothing unless some old lady wants help moving shit.
That's what the line infantry in my ideal army are for. Where did I say get rid of line infantry? You're obviously not officer material if you can't read a post properly m8
>no u
If you can't take criticism, don't pretend to act serious
you forgot
>no artillery organic to brigades, only at the division level and only the 3rd div
>tiny ass "regiments" that'll melt away in a peer or near-peer war
>much leaner and agile.
you won't have combat power because your assaults will have no punch to them. neither will you have staying power because of a crippling manpower shortage which, to your credit, you have addressed - by making it worse
How is the French military? Because everything I hear about Germany and Bongistan makes it sound like there's no major economy in Europe who has a remotely well-supported military. I feel like giving Poland a medal for best NATO ally in a victory by default.
>Claims that cyberwarfare specialists will more than fill the hole of 10,000 soldiers as they will have a wider impact on modern war
They're talking about waging war against their own people by the way
Yep. The whole thing with the British government running healing protests about how much they love Muslims and playing “don’t look back in anger” and talking about Muslims cab drivers who refused to take money for evacuating victims after Muslims blew up all those girls was really sick. Brits are really under an occupation by their government
The entire West is living under an occupation by a hostile power.
any nato engagement:
80% USA
15% brits
5% all others
Bongs need to keep up that 15% or we'll replace them as our number 2 with the Frogs.
>or we'll replace them as our number 2 with the Frogs.
Thats the day the nukes really start flying
Jesus man you'd have better luck with Italians
The Muslims will be in full control of the uk in 50 years, so it's for a good reason that the uk wants to get rid of ita nukes, just so that when the Muslims take full control they won't have access to icbms
Russians are genuinely pathetic in how they seethe over the Bongs. Genuinely pathetic.
>Russians Russians Russians
Instead if crying about the Russians you should be rushing to get your dick wet
Yeah sure bro, its all the Russians. Maybe if you bury your head in the sand deep enough, Mohammed wont cut it off.
meant for
This. The UK is absolutely buck broken by Russia. They have zero capability to take banter by this point.
>cyberwarfare specialists
Trained in starting cope threads and sock puppetry. Also issued keyboard macros to type “vatnik” in one keypress
>How do we fix Bongland's military
You don't. Its an expeditionary military and its ORBAT is pretty much on the cutting edge.
>2 divisions
2 divisions and an independent air assault brigade and a special operations brigade and independent security force brigade
service rifle is being unfricked for the third time by H&K to bring it to a serviceable level, somehow fought in Afghanistan for 20 years with it
Probably because the rifle has been fine and you're confusing memes with reality.
>its ORBAT is pretty much on the cutting edge
You're a couple pennies short of a pound, ain't ya?
>army aviation
Barely more Apaches than a US division, short on drones of all types
>16aab
Incapacitated by a single hooker, short on organic fires
>recce bde
Cutting edge CVRT or the Ajax vibrator, take your pick
>heavy bdes
Challys and Warriors barely updated since Granby, short on AS90s
>security forces battalion
The capbadges we couldn't get rid of
>1 uk division
A pile of 00s era light infantry with less kit than the Ukrainians have now, and none of the ISR and enablers that they'd need to be more than rear/flank security, glorified TA basically
>as a whole
Short of bodies
It's no wise the pretty picture the annual defence review would have you believe
>royal horse artillery
>king's royal hussars
>queen's royal hussars
What did he mean by this?
>being handled by some third party company that doesn't
This is a massive problem with all UK institutions. "Outsourcing" is a cancer that kills everything it touches.
>Serco
The winning combination of greed and incompetence
Serco are incompetent in a different way, they are more replace people in skilled occupations with ZHC school leavers.
The sheer inaction, just take the money and do nothing, is more a Capita technique.
Theres seem to be a fair few bongs ITT, thoughts on the Ranger brigade? As an American it looks like an attempt to massive expand your theoretical SOF capability by just making regular units SOF on paper. What is the wisdom of this?
An attempt to free SF to do SF things. Ranger battalion appears to be about increasing partnering and influencing capability, using the military as a means to project soft power.
It may also be able trying to hold on to budgets. A lot of inter cap badge rivalry everytime the defence budget is looked at.
>the British military is shit
>it's also still almost definitely the second or third best military in the world
Honestly an indictment of humanity
why would you join the army nowadays? our governments, media, society all hate us
This. Not fighting for a slowly Islamizing shithole. Not fighting for the people who are destroying the country.
Yes, I too am an Ordinary Subject from Hampshire oblast, and will not fight for our islammised country. Also we should remove sanctions on Russia
The no-go zones have always been something of a myth. Just some posters some Muslim gaylord would set up for YouTube likes and most people would basically ignore. Whites wouldn’t go there anyway because it’s just a shithole ghetto with high crime rates. It’s like being an incel and then declaring it’s illegal for women to frick you, and that therefore your legal power equals that of the Supreme Court.
The child abuse shit has been heavily prosecuted with like a hundreds sentences passed on the perpetrators. Yes, the left-wing media refuses to cover it, but it’s happening. Granted not anywhere near enough has happened to the politicians and police chiefs that allowed it to happen.
>No go zones aren't real bro... They are just muslim shitholes you would never go to because you would get stabbed
You are genuinely moronic
This tactic isn't working anymore ivan, we're at (proxy) war now.
Literally this. You would have to be a total fricking moron to join an organisation run by people that absolutely hate you and are actually flooding your country with invaders while you at best are forced to watch and at worst are sent to die fighting to help destroy some other European nation.
Take a walk outside guy
I did and that’s all it took to realise fighting to defend this place is comical as the people paying your wages clearly don’t want to protect it from an invading horde.
okay
The simple answer is to depoliticize it. The current army is obsessed with Black folk and women and trannies. Get rid of the "diversity intake quota".
But otherwise there's not much that will be done, our government (be it blue, red or yellow) sees the Armed forces first and foremost as an expeditionary force to help America, not a force for our national defence.
>Bumping after 4 hours with some vatniks propaganda
Incase there was any doubt as to whom was responsible for this thread.
>How do we fix Bongland's military
First and foremost you Bongs should get off your high horses and stop looking down on Germany's military, because you're getting on the same level real fast.
Bait.
That ain't bait. Have you seen the rising amount of infights between Bongs and Germans on /k/ lately? Bongs are acting like they were some hot shit while in reality they are approaching germany-shit levels.
Take that shit to /misc/. Both countries have nor reason to act overly patriotic because they're both crap military wise
>Bongs: Only one SSBN at sea at any given time
>Germs: Barely enough planes to keep a QRA ready at any given times
That being said: In my opinion bongs act even worse here since they still talk like they were an empire with a giant domestic MIC while in reality the Germs - at least - got a much more solid industrial base to design and manufacture modern military shit.
>More bait
>You see, the bongs can only field one nuclear submarine at any one time
>wheras the German army cannot afford underpants
>so they're the same
Im thinking about joining the army lads, my stats:
>white british 20 year old male
>fit and healthy af, constantly play sports, run half marathons and workout
>got a level 3 diploma in business, and is currently a carpenter
Now the reason i want to join is because basically my life rn is so empty. I work, im active, hangout with friends, party, get girls, etc. But i cant help but feeling that in 10 years time ill just look back and think "i literally achieved nothing but filling my time, i have nothing to be proud of". Thats what im afraid of. To look back and shake my head.
So i need some advice here, should i join the British army? Will i be proud of it when i look back? Pay and skills means nothing to me, i just want to do something worthwhile. Don the uniform and be a part of something greater you know? Any advice will help thx
Army can give you a sense of purpose and life long mates but it is also full of bullshit and boredom.
If you want to do something with your life and is fit, the military is still a good option. You could do P company, commando course or sf if that is your thing.
Don't limit your choices to infantry however. Loads of roles in the military for a motivated young man. RE has good espirit de corps for eg and they have commando and para units.
You will have to stop the drugs however.
Tldr: yours is a well trodden path.
Don't throw your life away, join comissioned and get a desk job.
I won't say if you should or shouldn't join, that's really up to you, but if you can go in as commissioned then there's no reason to go as a non-commissioned. If you do insist on a physical role, do para or royal marines, regular infantry is literally only for 90 IQ morons who had no other options in life.
72k soldiers is all the British need to defeat the Russians.
Haven’t the Ukrainians already lost upwards of that amount?
British military hasn’t got any actual experience against anything aside from goat frickers since Korea if that counts and WW2 if it doesn’t.
If we actually sent anyone over, a couple dozen killed in quick succession and the media at home would make a massive fricking scene about it until the politicians decided to pull out to avoid further damage to their reputation and parties.
This place can’t take hardship at all.
How the frick are they expected to use cyberwarfare to win wars when the enemy doesn't even have competent enough technology to hack
russia has infiltrated the uk government
Sometimes I wish we had the same domestic arms industry as the states because at least then the rich frickers that own those companies would pressure the government to make us have a bigger army
What we have is bankers and real estate tycoons that while the whole country is on fire they at least make sure the housing bubble doesnt pop. Need shooting the lot of em
Please learn how economies work before talking
Please make an actual point instead of vague passive aggressiveness
Our arms industry exists on the scale it does so that they don't forget how to make shit. It's not for shits and giggles or to line someone's pockets
But if there was a clear money incentive to invest in it rather than cut it all the time, then it'd clearly be better
Your country would need to be invested in becoming true global force again and that would require a change in social cohesion, not just government expenditure
that cyberwarfare specialists will more than fill the hole of 10,000 soldiers as they will have a wider impact on modern war
So what have 'cyberwarfare specialists' been doing in Ukraine?