Could the Ukrainians fool the Russians, and cause them to divide resources, by moving pontoon bridge equipment visibly to the right bank?
Bridgehead established
Could the Ukrainians fool the Russians, and cause them to divide resources, by moving pontoon bridge equipment visibly to the right bank?
Hello where are source
And no, twittards coloring maps with crayons doesn't count. I want pictures of Ukrainian forces actually sitting on the positions depicted
the position depicted are marshlands and look something like pic related
besides that would put them exactly in the position russians were when they had their untenable bridgehead on the right bank
tldr redditors are moronic
plz. gib me opsec! plz, really. please!
The trouble with the proofs is that we have to rely on Ukrainian double agents, commonly referred to as Russian Milbloggers, to tell us what is going on through their super-secure, highly-encrypted Telegram channels.
Currently, from what I can tell, one half is sticking to the story given by the Russian Kherson Chief that the Ukrainians have not established themselves across the river and the other half are calling this half a bunch of lying homosexuals.
Suffice to say, the general rule from the last push applies. Any Ukie progress will we released 48-72 hours after it happened; so if this has happened, we'll know by Thursday at the latest.
>Russian Kherson Chief
Didn't this guy predecessors die in a car crash?
The first one did, but he's been replaced by this dude, Volodymyr Saldo, who is a former mayor of Kherson.
>twitter
this guy doesnt seem like a full on cheerleader/shill but I WISH HE NAMED HIS FRICKING SOURCES I WANNA SEE IF ITS TRUE
That area is wetland with barely any roads. Russia did not have a bunch of dudes there, Ukraine won't either. I have faith that Ukraine can make some strategic gains this year, but it won't be via a major river crossing.
Where are the PROOOFS
no proper source has confirmed any of these maneuvers
it's ukraine's information warfare, redditors lap it up because they're morons
>vatniks make shitposting and misinformation a key part of their strategy
>they constantly post false information or misleading information in an attempt to confuse the public
>fat morons proceed to accuse Ukraine of spreading misinformation
Why don’t homosexuals like you just have a nice day? I imagine your life is difficult since you’re so dumb and you probably don’t have many friends. What is stopping you personally from just ending your own life? Why do you feel the need to keep living when you’re so moronic and worthless?
triggered redditard
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This was talked about to death yesterday and the tldr is, “a counteroffensive across marshes during mud season is not going to happen.”
Hopefully the temp is hot come May, and we can see some actual counter offensive instead of proving actions like this
>Tell Russian you are building a bridgehead in a swamp
>Its very very real Trust me bro we are doing this
>Russian concentrate troops in the area
>Get stuck in mud
>Get shell across the river.
>????
>Get shrecked
From the evidence I've seen, mobiks are unable to pass bodies of water deeper than a foot (roughly 30cm), so I don't think we would need to shell them.
>send some hapless fools to "establish a bridgehead"
>expect russians to hold onto ground and concentrate troops
>they fall back to better defensive position and saturate area with artillery
>you gain nothing and spend resources for it
>- sun tzu
>Russians give up land and also waste precious artillery rounds for nothing
TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO
Establishing a bridgehead in the marshes makes it easier for sabotage and recon units to slip in and out of the Russian rear to support offensive operations elsewhere.
Something like that. They already tried yo capture the NPP and realized it was impossible without getting heavy weapons over the river for support.
there is literally no evidence that anything has happened
moreso when we know for a fact that ukraine is still a mud volcano
Holy shit, you reditBlack folk really need to go back, you dumb homosexual eat up anything.
>br*dgehe*d
Add trigger warnings to the post next time. It may give vatniks flashbacks about p*nt**ning. Do you want catalog to be spammed by BBC porn again?
Don't you threaten me with a good time Anon!
Huh ? Another feint ?
>Manages to clear the marshes in a single day
If this is true, I do have to wonder if they're actually any Russians in Kherson, or if they're all currently falling back to Crimea to hide out there instead?
yeah but what about eastwards? if they fall back too much theyre basically giving away Zaporizhzhya npp
Gesture of goodwill
From what the Russians have kindly been telling us for the last few months, they have focused the majority of their defences and garrisons in Melitopol and Mariupol.
If they are willing to let the land bridge to Crimea to be cut, they could potentially block any Ukrainian advance from going past the chubby-oxbow lake looking thing and hold onto the land they have in Zaporizhzhia. This would put Crimea under siege though, and if this were to happen around Victory Day, it would be a massive embarrassment for the Russians. Because of this, I could see them just giving up the ZNPP and their eastern territories to focus on keeping Crimea secure.
What's insane is you might be right. But hey all this stuff might be smoke and mirrors by Ukraine on the other hand.
how does one keep Crimea secure if you allow HIMARS to cover Crimea.
it will be a daily shitshow of stuff blowing up and there is still a lot of Russian stuff to blow up there.
Just dig a trench around the bridge
They won't fall back all the way to crimea (yet) but they also clearly did leave a pretty large area vacated. And given how hard of a pummeling ukie arti gave the russian side of the river since they took the town, I can see why it would be hard to convince the infantry to stick around on a fricking marsh after their cannons decided they had places to be. Likely now they're reaching solid ground the Ukies will find more resistance, probably why they restarted the artillery pummeling instead of trucking on. People here don't seem to notice this is neither a feint nor an offensive. It's just infantry sweeping vacated terrain after the shaping operations made it indeffensible. No real offensive concentration needed for that. The party starts when the actual defenses are reached.
Yeah you still gotta remember that the "pretty large area" is fricking nothing and tough to defend
>fricking nothing
Whoops
fricking nothing, compared to the space they have to play around with*
Depends on what exactly the force dispositions of both sides are but it might be anything from artillery bombardment to HIMARS strikes on C2 nodes to partisans to regular drone attacks that are now being focused on. Or it might just be a lie because twitter is shit and the blue check means literally nothing.
>blyat look at my friends youtube video so credible
Frick off. Show photos of said element or its work or frick off.
Credible sources
Have confirmed the massing of an amored ukr element near Hulepolye of about 12 thousand men.
Besides that we only have confirmation for massive Russian gains in the east.
Anything else is twitter fantasy.
Your source is unironically calling it a cauldron lmao.
>we only have confirmation for massive Russian gains in the east
>Massive gains
>500meters.
Anon please.
To be fair, for the Russians anything more than 100m is massive. 500m is almost half a field!
>massive Russian gains in the east.
Has vadims wardrobe finally been fully captured?
Still doubtful that ukies will do anything with it
Its just there to do special forces raids and sending in saboteurs more easily
If it distracts the Russians well enough, then it's doing its job.
The crying about MUH PROOFS made me think, how do people mapping the conflict actually draw those borders? Is it just based on what villages Russia and Ukraine officially claimed as occupied/liberated? And then they just draw straight lines between all the known points? It's not like they'd know which exact forest has Russians at the very moment
>It's not like they'd know which exact forest has Russians at the very moment
Sometimes you can but the difference between a probing attack that was repelled with the survivors retreating 10 km back to their battalion HQ and a regular patrol done by a company that was literally sitting in the forest just out of camera shot is very difficult to ascertain if you're not there. This is why Russian aligned mappers are generally seen as unreliable and "cope maps" or "cope arrows" are a thing, for example the southernmost highway going into Bakhmut being "contested", "controlled" or "attacked" by Russians for the last 2 months (in reality they did a handful of probing attacks that were repelled and never had any control, direct fire ability or even reliable fire control on the highway).
But yeah otherwise basically just straight lines and educated guesses (an army with verified positions in a forest is unlikely to have "control" of the plains outside of the forest, therefore putting their "control" on the woodline is a good bet) with occasional verified information.
This is also why any vague statement from like UK intelligence saying something like "Russians have been assessed to have control of x village" is taken as gospel as they likely have actual classified satellite imagery or drone footage of said control.
Even ground commanders do not know exact borders. This is all just guess.
A big one throughout this conflict has been spotting shell detonations with real time assets, even satellites.
Presuming both sides are even vaguely aiming in the direction of hostile forces you can accurately map where the frontlines and concentrations are.
>Bridgehead established
may we see it?
For the pitful west, losing land is like being humiliated, Russia saved the lives of many brave children with this brave retreat!
I hope the implication that Russia uses child soldiers was intentional, cause it made me kek bigly
>send a few S.O with some speed boats and NVs
>take a few pics. Make some noise. Go back
>support the "offensive" using media
This is the most obvious feint I have ever seen, vatniks are stupid enough to swallow it so I dont blame them. Pretty sure that they even sent reinforcements to the towns around the swamp already.
So the Ukies infiltrate some light infantry onto the east bank islands, where armor and Mech is a no-go, (and artillery doesn’t work so good), to use as a base of operations tosa outage and harass atniks holding those flanks.
If the Vatniks get annoyed enough, they will have to reinforce those exposed flanks, or try and push the Ukies out of those marshes.
Which will mean drawing troops from elsewhere on their already thin lines.
Looking at footage of Vatniks manning the trenches around Bakhmut and it’s striking how few troops they have to hold large sections of trench.
Russkis are apparently bleeding out…
If the Vatniks don’t address the Ukies operating from those islands, then that means that their defensive line in its present position has already been flanked.
Bad, bad things happen in a trench position when you let an enemy get a position where he can fire down a trench….Bloody Lane at Antietam after the Yankees of the 61st and 64th NY flanked it on the northern end…you could walk on the bodies from one end to another.
“We were shooting them like sheep in a pen. If a bullet missed the mark at first it was liable to strike the further bank, angle back, and take them secondarily.
Sergeant of the 61st New York”
They're never going to actually attack at scale from these positions, instead they will send groups of saboteurs and probing attacks. Basically just poking and forcing Russians to keep some defenders in the area and potentially assist partisans with special forces troops not well suited to grinding frontal assaults.
Did Girkin comment that at all?