>doesn't use shit 26rnd AR mags
>been out long enough to fix it's kinks
>literally better in every way imaginable
why haven't you bought one yet?
Bren 2 7.62x39
>doesn't use shit 26rnd AR mags
>been out long enough to fix it's kinks
>literally better in every way imaginable
why haven't you bought one yet?
Too poor
This, the fuckers are $3000+ in Canada and it's another $1000-2000 for a proper barrel to make it non-restricted.
No where comparable boomer. Also lever guns are gay.
>lever guns are gay
End your life as quickly as possible
lever guns are mid af no cap
miss me with that boomer shit, all my guns lit on a stack fr fr
lol you better get used to levers for semis dont have much time left in your gay country maplemutt
Aim higher than celebrating another man's hardship, bro.
>Lever guns are gay
You must be over 18 to post here.
>Canada
>lever guns gay
It’s like pottery
Costs nearly as much as a SCAR without any of the prestige. Also
Its half the price of the scar retard.
1700 bucks vs 3200 bucks
Oh it is? Damn I could've sworn they were a lot more expensive when I first looked at them. Well shit I think I know what the next gun is gonna be
I got mine for like $1500 three years ago. Had to wait until CZ figured it’s shit out re: the overgassing problem (x39 models only) though, which was a pain in the ass.
Based. Is that one yours?
>the overgassing problem (x39 models only) though, which was a pain in the ass.
what was the resolution? i heard they had oversized ports? or did they just swap your piston
It’s a long story but yeah, the fix was simply a new gas regulator with smaller ports. Shame it took them so long to get it done, but when I heard it was out I emailed them and they sent me one right away.
Stock on the x39 Bren is a PMM Kate Moss repro, stock on the XCR in the middle is an actual Sig Kate Moss stock.
That’s awesome, really cool you kept the bayo lug. I’ve been thinking about swapping to the BR stock and painting my 5.56
Yes it has adjustable gas. With the stock regulator it’s overgassed without a flow through suppressor, not horribly overgassed but still. The solution is an aftermarket regulator, or to drill out the third position (zero gas) on the stock regulator. I’ve done both.
I run 9.5 inch handguards on all my ARs even my AR10 anyway so I figured go with the 9.5 handguard and keep the bayo lug and buy the bayonet.
I actually owned the bayonet before when I had the Bren 805 with the 14.5 barrel and bayo lug.
Its a sexy combo can't wait to post pics when its all done.
Whoa, that’s crazy you had a 2S. Super rare, saw one on GB the other day, price climbing. Good luck with the paint job man, I might have to do that myself down the line.
Yea seems like all the guns I sold are now going up in price.
Had a VEPR12 too
And an Arsenal SLR104fr
Sold all of em
I sold my vepr RPK for 3k and the shop I sold too, sold it for 6k
Not bad I sold my VEPR12 for 750 in probably 2017
2022 and onward made gas settings on the x39 have different settings. Normal gas. More gas. And less gas. There is no off setting anymore. I am unsure if cz will just give you one of these new plugs or alter yours if you ask them.
They gave me one for free after I emailed them about it.
HBI also sells a gas plug with dedicated suppresor settings.
i wish someone would make like an eight position gp for the rifle t b h
what's the stock on the top two?
Sig MCX stock that connects to pic rail receiver end
That one isn't mine.
Mine looks better. It has the ACOG a pinned and welded 14.5 and the waffle stock and like I said I will have the bayonet for it soon.
Once its all together with the bayonet I will spray paint it and take some pictures.
>amdits he’ll pay double just for brand recognition and updoots on leddit.
Reddit isn't even a real website. You people are scared of ghosts.
It's got enough prestige from GIGN and the Czech army using it
Has apparently seen a lot of combat in Ukraine-Russia war as well
This, but also, 7.62x39 looks a lot less appealing after it hit parity with 5.56 prices.
I've already got a .30-30
Peak boomerpilled.
Winchester 94 plus heavy cast bullets are great
I have it in 5.56 and love it.
A Bren bayonet is on the way to me right now in the mail
I love my bren 2
Still hoping for the 308 to come out.
because 556 does everything better, and kills shit dead-er
Don't these things come in 5.56? Why would you buy one in 7.62?
>Why would you buy one in 7.62x39?
because newfags are holding onto a dead meme that died in 2019
An absolutely amazing website, even after all these years.
my boy sam is based, anyone who hates on him is a garden gnome
he is the single reason why, if my house burned down, there'd be a smoking crater with no foundation.
cheap ammo
>why would you buy a gun with a short barrel in a caliber that runs exceptionally well at lengths as small as 8", instead of buying it in a caliber that shits it's pants under 14"
Why indeed. Do you also buy 1.5" .357 mag snub nosed revolvers?
I'm absolutely begging PrepHole to stop believing they are bound by the Hague Convention's ban on expanding ammo should they ever need their 5.56 rifle in a self defense situation.
>m855
Ok, but what does an actual defensive load do? Although to be clear 7.62x39 and .300 blk are better out of short barrels. 5.56 just isnt bad either until you get to sub 10" barrels.
Idk, 14” is as low as I’d go in 5.56. 55gr boolit going under 2600fps seems anemic when you can have 120+ gr boolit going 2400
>120+ gr boolit going 2400
From 7.62x39 or .300 blk? Shit bro, which loading?
I had x39 in mind. 300 will be a bit slower, of course.
Your hand loads might do that, and probably with better stddev to boot. But none of the commercial ammo, brass or steel case, my range has tested saw average velocities past 2300. We'd see the occasional round go up close to 2400fps, but that wasn't a good thing when the average was 100fps slower and we'd still see rounds on the lower end of 2200fps.
Fair enough. Although I’d venture that 120+gr bullet going 2300 is still preferable to 55gr at 2600, not that I’d want to be shot with either.
Whichever one lets you get it there. Any expanding/fragmenting ammo in your lungs, heart, or head at 2000+fps is going to make simple respiration the hardest thing you've ever done. We just aren't built to stop metal that's going to peel back on itself hanging out inside us at mach 2.
>Why would you buy one in 7.62?
Because 7.62x39 is better than 5.56 at shooting people inside of cars
because it's cool
't use shit 26rnd AR mags
The AR mags are 30rds tho.
The scar is 3200 bucks and then requires 600 dollars in upgrades to be any good
It needs the ACR stock and adapter which are epxensive
It needs the geissele trigger which is expensive
The Bren needs a couple upgrades but HB industries has them all for super cheap. An extended charging handle upgraded trigger and safety and a longer handguard and you are still under 2k
The bren is actually competetive with ARs in my opnion.
It is comparable to getting a high end AR like an ADM with the full ambi features but you also have a folding stock and its really light weight, simple, easy to take down and maintain and the action feels like butter
A fully upgraded Bren 2 is comparable in my opinion to an LMT AR which is over 2k
The only downside to choosing it over an AR like an LMT or KAC is that you lose some parts compatibility with the militia.
does the bren 2 have adjustable gas and is it ok suppressed
It does have adustable gas. Basically you have a little cup with holes in it and some people are having gun smiths add extra gas settings to the cup.
They come standard with an off setting, standard, and adverse
You may want an added gas setting for suppressed but its not hard for a gun smith to do that for you.
People had to do that as well for their 7.62x39s cause they were way overgassed from the factory pre 2021
>then requires 600 dollars in upgrades to be any good
>It needs the ACR stock and adapter which are epxensive
>It needs the geissele trigger which is expensive
What the fuck are you talking about? Maybe spend some time offline.
He has spent too much time in /arg/. These are the same people who act like you need to drop 3k+ on a Razor/ATACR for a rifle to be usable.
/arg/ loves the SCAR and hates the Bren, though, despite the two being very similar. Probably because the Bren replicates the best features of the SCAR for little more than half the price, but I digress
Does the Bren use that fuck huge bolt/tappet gas system like the SCAR?
No, much smaller tappet
Pic of the BCG. Another neat thing about the Bren is although the charging handle is non-reciprocating, it can still be used as a forward assist.
arg is retarded who cares
Oh shit I forgot I had taken pics of my first Bren 2 with the bayonet attached
I sold that one and got the Bren 2 MS cause the military version doesn't accept the HB handguards
Tho they are pretty rare now.
Only thing I own in this picture now Is the sling lol
I go through guns like elon musk goes through mentally ill women.
based gun tryer. i dont care what anyone says, every once and awhile you get one you dont like and need to sell it
I have a 11" in 5.56 and it's fucking dope but the fact that CZ dropped all support for it and doesn't carry any of the essential parts means it doesn't leave the safe much. Break an extractor or firing pin and that's that. Sucks, because it really is a slick little rifle.
You can get firing pins and extractors, but I'd like to pick up a couple spare bolts. Hoping the situation improves once the Ukraine situation is resolved and CZ isn't diverting 90% of production to that
This or SIG?
Sig. At least when they have parts for their guns.
Sigs QC is trash
Further, they kept the shitty charging handle of the AR, and their rails lose zero with the tap of a hand. Also heavy
Honestly if I were to design a modern assault rifle it would be an AR but the charging handle would be forward of the optic similar to a cz scorpion but it would also be able ot be locked back HK style and then you could HK slap it.
But the rifle would also still have a bolt catch/release on both sides so that when you run dry you can just put a new mag in and hit the bolt release.
The charging handle and its lock back feature serves the purpose of malfunction clearing.
In a double feed you have to lock the bolt back, take the mag out, rack the bolt till blockage drops out, then load a mag back and and drop the bolt.
This is easier when you have a charging handle that can be locked back easily.
The Sig really offers nothing special. It essentially just copied ADMs bolt release/catch and kept the worst feature of the AR the charging handle which wasn't even designed by eugene stoner but instead a retard who karl dick sucks.
Bren over the Sig
Because I like the PTR 32 better
And it has contracts too
A certain chain of events suddenly lead to uncertainty as to the future of cheap 7.62x39 import ammo which would have justified the purchase in the first place. used to be way interested in the Bren in 7.62x39, not so much now.
>why haven't you bought one yet?
I did buy one.
As soon as I bought it, CZ won a contract with the Egyption military.
I spent 3 months looking for a 3rd magazine to go with it.
(Came with 2).
Eventually I bought the 5.56 sleeve and used 7.62x39 AR mags because they work 99% and it's all I could find.
Didn't like that fix.
Still couldn't find CZ magazines.
Sold it.
Never looked back, especially now that braces are on the chopping block.
It's a nice enough gun but I'm not about to buy another one.
Already have a Vz-58
The sig is just a side charging AR in a caliber you cant afford
The bren also isn't perfect
The Bren would be better if it was an internal piston system like the AR and if the ambi bolt catch/release weren't in the trigger guard. Even tho when you lock the bolt back witht he trigger guard bolt catch/release you can flip on the safety witht he bren making it a non safety issue even tho retards complain cause they are used to ARs and bad levers
The main problem with the bren, scar, acr and many other modern rifles is that they fell for the 2010 meme of piston systems being the bees knees
Internal piston systems like the AR15 are actually way fucking better than piston systems
The positive pressure you end up with in the chamber causes them to be extremely reliable in adverse conditions.
The piston meme exploded around 2010 to 2015 cause of the HK416 over the beach video and everyone bought into the meme that you need to be able to go from submerged to instantly firing for a rifle to be good.
>Internal piston systems like the AR15 are actually way fucking better than piston systems
You listed 3+ rifle designs from the last 2 decades, including the newest US rifle, that do not use DI, and keep insisting that all those engineers were too stupid to just ask you, a data entry clerk, how it should have been done instead. It's part of the reason I love this website so much.
The army asked for a pistol rifle cause they are retarded. There is a reason the AR15 beats all these other modern rifles in a mud test.
Plastic trash that will never be common, get an AK.
Because I already have the superior Czech 7.62x39 carbine.
>Can’t even dump F/A parts easily into their fancy polymer shitbox
Lmao
It takes special mags that you can't buy consistently (you can get a replacement lower and use shit 26rd AR mags), the gas regulator sucks (pic related) and has to be replaced straight out of the box, the special handguard they made for the American version sucks and basically needs to be replaced straight out of the box, etc.
Yeah the 7.62x39 original gas plug was way overgassed. They replaced the plug according to
The new handguard costs $230, which means the gun is still 1/2 price of Scar
Or replace the lower with one that accepts standard AK magazines.
You don't have to replace the lower anyway despite what anon says. The 5.56 version is the same lower as the 7.62 but just has a sleeve in the magwell which is sized for pmags. Ergo, you can put that sleeve in and use 7.62x39 AR mags. That's what I did because there were literally no bren mags anywhere at any price for as long as I owned mine. The AR mags were as reliable as they are in an 7.62 AR which is okay but not stellar.
Only reason to replace the lower would be to use AK mags, you’re correct about the sleeve
>I want a Sig Spear
>But we have a Sig Spear at home!
>Sig Spear at home:
I do declare:
XM7 > 7.62 AR > AK-47 > 5.56 AR
They fact they actually started selling barrel kits says a lot about them actually trying. My 9in x39 SBR has been flawless. It took them long enough to fix but the 2022 upgrade seems to have worked.
Why are people saying they're having trouble finding x39 bren mags? I've seen them constantly for sale by the box load for over a year.
They were halfway difficult to find during the panic. They haven’t been hard to find for years now
It just looks queer.
Other stuff I'd rather buy. I repeatedly find myself wanting one to go with my Manurhin for GIGN LARP but then I'd rather put that money towards an objectively nicer gun. Which has happened about 2 dozen times since that gun was given a Gen 2. I'll get one eventually, but we're in a mini golden age of rifle imports and don't want to squander it.
Banana mags are ugly on anything that isn't an AK, with very few exceptions.
imo it takes a certain aesthetic to pull it off, but generally true that stanag pattern looks cooler
Move over fer the new Kang
It's not even the same type of rifle though, also not even available to civilians anyways.
At this point, why not AK pistol with folding stock. Cheaper than even a normal AK.
Cause this is a Sig Spear clone and if you wanna a proper Spear with fixins like suppressors and folding stock and computer scope you gotta ball out a little bit, you gotta have cash to spend
What the fug are you talking about, the Bren is not a Spear clone in any way. In regards to Bren v AK: Bren for modern fully ambi ergos, lrbho, nrch, ease of suppression, etc
1. AKs suck
2. the ~~*Sig*~~ Spear sucks and the Bren 2 predates it
shit wack just get an ak