Brace legality

Okay, so I know the ATF considers pistol braces to be stocks now.
My question is: am I allowed to simultaneously own a brace/stock and a pistol that it could fit on? I'm not talking about putting them together, just am I allowed to own both items separately?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Look guys
    I am just not going to comply, okay?!
    I know
    Ugh. I KNOW!
    Sorry!
    It's just... I'm not doing it, is all
    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      Fuck fedmorons and the garden gnomes who initiated this “ban”

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The non-complier is immunized from all dangers. You may call him a poor, a fed, or a felon who fails background checks, it all runs off him like water on a raincoat.

      But merely HINT that he should post his cool shit that he supposedly has, and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out."

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        pretty good for a fedpost

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Can't even follow the pasta format correctly

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >cucking out just to post "cool shit" on a Laotian shadow puppet forum
        Still waiting on pics of your "cool shit"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But merely HINT that he should post his cool shit that he supposedly has
        >1 of the 5 million AR pistols
        >cool shit
        Why would anyone ever do that? They aren’t special. It’s not like you’re exclusive for owning one.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No shit, it's not like it's a complicated upgrade, anyone can buy a $20 Magpul stock and replace their brace in five seconds.

          Anyone demanding you to post an illegal SBR is an overweight glowmoron gay.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you're saying teh ATFags are asking people to post SBRs?
            >It's also not regeistered and shipped straigt to my house instead of an ffl.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They found a funny glowmoron who can troll.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Post your badge and sidearm first.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >don't comply
      >cant take it to a range or I'll get arrested
      >cant use it in a defensive shooting or I'll get arrested
      Alright, you've got your super cool highly illegal gun, what are you going to do with it?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Can't take it to a range or you'll be arrested

        I have literally never seen an ATF agent at any range or any innawoods shooting spot in my entire life.

        > Can't use it in a defensive shooting or you will be arrested

        This has a silver lining, if you do have to use it in self defense than you know tjat your life is effectively over, so now you can go full rampage and try to get a high score before the responding police take you down (just remember not to shoot any white people).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >so now you can go full rampage and try to get a high score before the responding police take you down (just remember not to shoot any white people).
          Orrrrr you just take the stock off and pretend it was always a pistol. It takes 5 seconds and they’d literally never know

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            or you can just read my posts above because your AR is not a firearm

            >US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

            US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

            >US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

            US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

            like holy shit you dumb gays, i post this all the time here on PrepHole and nobody ever remembers or pays attention. spread this knowledge you useless golem

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you dont even need the case, its written in plain english in the law

              >US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

              does an AR15 lower receiver provide housing for the hammer? yes

              does an AR15 lower receiver provide housing for the bolt or breechblock? NO

              ok one "no" is all we needed, its completely legal to mail 100% complete AR15 lower receivers because they are legally just a piece of aluminum block and are not subject to any regulations such as seralized numbers or manufacturing laws that a firearm is.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              moron there is a difference between ignoring law, or fake law in this case, and deciding to try for the high score and anhero because you shot a moron breaking in with your “illegal” gun. I’m not commenting on how to set up your ARs. I’m saying it’s fucking retarded to go scorched earth at the drop of a hat when there’s no reason to

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Use illegal config in a defensive shooting
        >Yeet brace into a bush before cops arrive
        >?????
        >Profit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >cant take it to a range or I'll get arrested
        Range officers don't care to ask for your tax stamp.
        If they do by some extreme off chance, say you have it in your car or forgot it at home, then pack up and leave and never go back to such a shit range.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Take it to the supreme court
        >inadvertently get the ATF disbanded as unconstitutional
        I see no problem with this

      • 3 weeks ago
        /news/=/plebbit/

        What kind of gay range do you go to?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How many bump stocks were confiscated or surrendered. Now figure out how many more pistol braces exist compared to BSs. I'm not saying you couldn't be lucky number 1 but that's a serious fuck ton to go through. If you wanna be """""safe""""" just do the cheek pistol or sling tension method. If you can shoot on places where people wont know or care (your land, BLM land, Ranges where the RSOs don't give a shit and even encourage a no fucks given atmosphere) then fuck it you do you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know the idea of enforcement is ludicrous. I'm just curious if owning a brace turns any pistol it can fit on into an SBR in the bureau's eyes.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you own the parts [the brace] to readily manufacture an NAF qualifying item in your possession, then you constructively possess that item under the law.

        so, if you own a brace that is attachable to any pistol/rifle/shotgun you own that would qualify as an AOW, SBR, or SBS then any of those qualifying firearms are unregistered NFA items.

        just think of it like the sear for a machinegun, it's basically the samething.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody has ever been convicted for “constructive possession” you dumb boomer. And what do you mean about sears? DIAS are automatically NFA items whether you own an AR or not, and full auto sears, selectors, etc, are 100% legal to own. The issue is when you MODIFY YOUR RECEIVER WITH A THIRD HOLE stop talking out of your ass. Parts kits for machine guns have been imported for decades with the sears and selectors included

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            okay, please post where you can purchase those aforementioned part kits today

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              apex
              arms of america
              Whatacountry
              Wherever the fuck they sell surplus parts kits dumbass

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              When you say aforementioned parts kits, does a 3 hole pin jig and a m16 FCG, both from Brownells, count? Or does it have to specifically be drop in?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can literally own all of those things no problem. A DIAS will fuck you however

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well now he's never going to answer the trick question, anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cool you just posted what I already told you. That is for DIAS not full auto lpks

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              When the local police want their SWAT team's milsurp M4 repaired, they take it to whatever local gunsmith they contract with. Said gunsmith buys an M16 kit and does the work. That's why they're out there and you only get in trouble if you drill out your AR15 and install the M16 FCG. You want to buy the Doublestar kit from Optics Planet and cast it in resin to make a paperweight, go for it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://www.jsesurplus.com/doublestarm16lowerpartskit.aspx

              literally right fucking here

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How many bump stocks were confiscated

      https://i.imgur.com/WmA2kOf.jpg

      Okay, so I know the ATF considers pistol braces to be stocks now.
      My question is: am I allowed to simultaneously own a brace/stock and a pistol that it could fit on? I'm not talking about putting them together, just am I allowed to own both items separately?

      I don't get it
      how would anyone even know if you have one?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They don't unless someone sees you with one.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how would anyone even know if you have one?
        If you actually shoot someone at your home, they will search your home. If they want to nearly any reason, they will search your car. If you don't think either of these are plausible, then why even own a gun?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If you don't think either of these are plausible, then why even own a gun?
          it's fun

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If you actually shoot someone at your home they will search your home
          No they won’t. Why would they look in rooms that don’t have a dead guy in them or isn’t where he broke in?
          >If they want to nearly any reason, they will search your car.
          English motherfucker, do you speak it? What you mean is if they chose to search your car, they will. Which is true, but also illegal. Assuming you are white and not retarded, this won’t happen. If it does, then it’s illegal and even a shitty lawyer gets it tossed. That means all charges tossed.
          >If you don't think either of these are plausible, then why even own a gun?
          Wha..what?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, this may surprise you, but the police are very good at breaking the law to get what they want.
            >No, you may not search my vehicle.
            Alright, well, the K9 unit is on the way because I suspect you may have illegal drugs in the vehicle.
            >K9 handler gives signal for dog to "alert".
            Now the search is lawful and you can't do jack shit about it in court.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Good luck calling a k9 unit at 120 mph gay

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nice goalposts gay. Why did you ignore the first and third comments also?

              Also if the try the whole K9 routine and don’t find drugs, then you still have a great case for a 4th amendment violation. Do you drive around with drugs in your car? How many times have you even been pulled over in total, let alone when your traveling to shoot? Your situation does not make sense.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are tons of laws and regulations designed not witg the intent of all around enforcement, but to discriminately fuck the undesirables up more than the normies. If they search your home for any reason and find a brace, that's a decade of being Tyrone's cock sleeve. They won't do this to a normie sheep, only to "extremists", as a form of repression.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There are tons of laws and regulations designed not witg the intent of all around enforcement, but to discriminately fuck the undesirables up more than the normies
        >They won't do this to a normie sheep, only to "extremists", as a form of repression.

        Haha, you literally just reinvented the actual CRT, being the legal analysis of laws like this.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Damn, if only discourse like this wasn't made impossible by the powers that be
          Who stands to win from this, I must wonder

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If that were true, the laws would be written that way, retard.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no hes right you gay, laws are selectively enforced based on political allegiance beacuse there is a broader strategic agenda by the powerful faction in charge to destroy the country

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's more that normies don't own braces as much, therefore this law impicitly targets 'extremists', regardless of enforcement. Braces aren't the issue this regulation is focused on, it's naughty opinions.
            PrepHole is so fucking stupid sometimes

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yes correct its just typical divide and conquer tactics. sorry i called you a gay

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They won't do this to a normie sheep, only to "extremists", as a form of repression.
        We all die some day. I'm not going to be subjugated. At this point they've dedicated their movement to not leaving us the fuck alone.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Google "constructive possession" .....there is your answer ....your intent is irrelevant

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Boomerlore bullshit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Buy a 16" upper and you have an alibi, barring them seeing the fucking thing on the SBR upper. See US v. Thompson/Center Arms Co.

      Or, hear me out, what if every single gun owner including local police and sheriff's dupities simply ignored the rule changes, didn't post pics on social media of our shit, and pretended like it was a faux paux of the highest order to ask how long a barrel was?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what if
        What if you were born on Mars?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and in the history of the nfa that's been successfully prosecuted how many times

      those mind crimes!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      literally no one has ever been convicted of constructive possession
      it is literally a thought crime that is unenforceable

      if it was then having any spare parts to create an sbr would be pound town time; have a spare 11.5 barrel for an eventual build? sorry sonny, sbr
      have a spare stock even though you have a pistol lower? sorry sonny, sbr
      have a stock for an sbr that you are in the process of doing the paperwork for? sorry sonny, sbr

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't matter if someone gets convicted.

        All that matters is if the ATF/any other alphabet agency wants to make an example of you - then you are absolutely fucked.

        Convictions don't matter when its the federal government coming after you, you can't sue them for you time in the klink or for your lawyers fees. They will confiscate all your property, ruin your good name, bankrupt you and your supporters, knowing full well they won't be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

        It doesn't matter if constructive possession is bullshit -- you used to be able to keep a brace around to have a defense for your collection of pistol uppers, that shit ain't gonna fly no more.

        The more important truth is that this is designed to put criminals behind federal bars. Straw purchased Tyrones "pistol" isn't going to get registered, nor is he gonna modify it into compliance. Eventually he's gonna catch charges for it, just like the feds want.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It doesn't matter if someone gets convicted
          It absolutely matters. Zero convictions means basically no prosecutions. Show me more than 4 examples of people being prosecuted for constructive intent

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you can't sue them
          Tell that to the DOD and the tort claim paychecks I'm getting. If your group doesn't accept your innocence by your word alone prior to a conviction and refuse to speak without a subpoena, they were worthless anyways.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you used to be able to keep a brace around to have a defense for your collection of pistol uppers
          Why though?
          The brace doesn't get you anything as a defense; an AR with a bare receiver extension has always been just as valid a pistol as one with a brace on it.
          And that leaves the combination of a lower receiver, a removable buttstock, and both pistol- and rifle-length uppers, just like the Contender kit in US v. Thompson-Center Arms, perfectly legal unless it's actually assembled with a short barrel and a buttstock (or if ATF can prove it was first assembled as a rifle -- if the lower was left the factory as part of a pistol, or without an upper (with a brace, a stock, or neither), you're fine).

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            in my case my mp5 needs an endplate otherwise it cannot function.
            It was also stocked and my dedicated home defense gun.
            The idea was if i ever had to shoot home intruders (statistically they will be black people) breaking in, i should be able to just pop the stock off and slap on a brace before i turn it into the cops, fuck knows where the fuck i put the pistol endcap years ago.

            Now i need to source a stupid fucking end cap.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ah, I see, makes perfect sense when I remember not every gun is an AR.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .Google "constructive possession prosecuted”. And you’ll find no one has ever been convicted for that. Prove me wrong

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.ammoland.com/2022/11/navy-sailor-convicted-of-violating-the-nfa-in-an-absurd-case/

        it's not common for firearms but it happens. Some have been overturned. Happens with drugs all the time.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What a waste of a considerable amount of time and money. Holy shit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          While that is absurd, my point was no one gets charged for that and that alone. He’s getting fucked but it was selling the MG42 parts to a fed that started this. If he had the M79 receivers and tubes and didn’t have them attached, none of that would have happened.

          >Happens with drugs all the time.
          Completely different. Drugs are already illegal to possess. You don’t need to have weed and a bowl together to be charged. Just the drugs are a crime federally. A M16 trigger group is legal to own.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nope, happens for just the constructive part too. There was a guy with a SP89 (I think? might have been something else similar) and a stock and foregrip. He got charged for SBR but I think they ultimately dropped that one. It happens anon, just not often.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So he had a pistol, stock, and vfg that weren’t attached, and didn’t nothing else, and was charged for that?
              >x to doubt
              It could happen once in a blue moon but considering there are literally millions and millions of those exact examples all over the country and nothing happens with 99.9999% of them “constructive intent” remains boomer fuddlore.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes, they were not attached, he was charged with an SBR. As I said, it is rare but the ATF can and does do this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://blog.princelaw.com/2009/09/01/florida-man-arrested-for-constructive-possession-of-an-sbr/

                he sold them unassembled and it was a sting. eventually charges were dropped but they charged him for constructive possession of an SBR

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't get charged with "constructive possession", you get charged with violation of the NFA, or Title-II of the GCA
        BTW, suck on this:
        https://blog.princelaw.com/2009/09/01/florida-man-arrested-for-constructive-possession-of-an-sbr/

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You don't get charged with "constructive possession"
          >posts an article of man charged with constructive possession
          >this is to own me in a debate
          Ok. You article didn’t say he was PROSECUTED, let alone convicted, just charged. So I googled it myself and can’t find shit, but did find this
          >I'm struggling to find further details, but I did find a forum thread on The High Road, where a person claiming to be Jesus Amador (the man described in the Prince Law blog post above) and he stated the charges were all dropped 3 weeks after the arrest. But, I can't really find much else corroborating that (police and DAs are quick to tell the media when they are charging someone, but somehow don't trumpet to the media when they drop charges
          Do you have any evidence of someone being prosecuted and convicted? You know, like I said initially.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            he was charged, the charges were ultimately dropped though.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Donate to lawfare groups and continue not complying

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being on a federal registry.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What if you're already on the federal registry?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The ATF would be breaking the law per the NFA as far as I am aware. No free lunch.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Laws don't apply to the government.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My issue wasn’t the $200 tax stamp in the first place (although that’s pretty gay)

      My issue is with now needing to register all the guns, and then get permission from big daddy atf whenever I move them across state lines

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just as an aside for people reading this thread:

        1. It is legal to convert an AR pistol to a rifle, if you put a 16" barrel on it.

        2. It is not legal to convert a rifle to a pistol, ever if it was first manufactured as a rifle.

        Why? I have no clue why. I told my gun store buddies to stock up on a few 16" barrels to sell if the ATF ever announced this, no clue if they did. As for me, I just made my pistols into rifles a couple months ago and moved on with my life. It sucks I can't keep them loaded in the car now but I'm pretty fucking accurate with the actual handgun in the console anyway. It was just convenient driving to the range but now I guess I'll have to suffer with better ballistic performance and owning a deadlier weapon. They really showed me.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >2. It is not legal to convert a rifle to a pistol

          That’s because you’d be turning it into an SBR. A pistol can become a rifle, but a rifle will always be a rifle.

          NFA and state rules are all full of shit that can fuck right off. When it comes to fire arms every mole hill of an issue is worth dying for, because every concession you make just emboldens them to take more on their ultimate goal of a total ban.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, I mention to keep innocent people out of trouble. My AR rifle is built with a lower that says "pistol". If it were the other way around that would be a legal problem.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and then get permission from big daddy atf whenever I move them across state lines
        assuming an ar, just swap the upper, bam, no longer in nfa config so you don't have to notify
        to be frank though, everyone brings this up, but how often are you all going out of state anyway? if you're going to do it often enough, just send out a form and make the date range a year

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not going to do it because I'm probably going to just register my shit normally, the amnesty way requires some weird shit to "prove" you had it on your trusts inventory before you file for this which makes no sense.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just go get a notarized thing don't you added them to the trust tomorrow

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't = that

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          my trust has no schedule or any requirement to maintain an inventory, so it's pretty stupid to go out of my way to add something to it in an official capacity

          either way I don't like any of this amnesty shit so I'd rather just do it the normal way like I planned to months ago

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Up to you, just trying to save you money if you were going to sbr them anyway

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Same boat here.

            I copy pasted the shit out of some original documents, no idea if its legal or what the ATF wants, but 7 bucks for a notary to possibly cover hundreds of dollars of tax stamps seems like a no brainer even if I ultimately don't use it.

            As long as you have your SBR items notarized into a trust before 2021R-08F enters the registry you should be able to register them into the trust.

            You can always just register them personally tax free as well.

            This whole situation is fucked, we all just have to wait and see how it all pans out over the next few months.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah, it's simpler for me to just do it normally
              i'm not going to go out of the way to notarize anything, just annoying as shit

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah, it's simpler for me to just do it normally
              i'm not going to go out of the way to notarize anything, just annoying as shit

              This is what I got and it seems correct:
              Not every state even requires the trust itself to be notarized. The ATF knows this. The Silencer Shop Single Shot Trusts are made under Nevada so none of them are notarized. My state also doesn't require it and the ATF has accepted those too. Also the purpose of an acknowledgement notarization is to prove identity, not time. Deciding to use it that way doesn't make it right. I have documents which have been notarized years after being executed. They are still legal as of the date they were originally signed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I have documents which have been notarized years after being executed. They are still legal as of the date they were originally signed.
                that's how my trust is pretty much, been using it for everything for the past 3 years with no issues

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Notary only attests that you were there to sign a doc. What's on the doc is another story.

                Also, might as well add pivot holes to my 80% lowers and serial them. 81% lower with cuck brace. Figure you need photos with upper. Dunno if lower + brace is enough.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Notary only attests that you were there to sign a doc. What's on the doc is another story.

                Also, might as well add pivot holes to my 80% lowers and serial them. 81% lower with cuck brace. Figure you need photos with upper. Dunno if lower + brace is enough.

                In this instance however, especially if you want tax free short barrelled rifles the ATF does seem to be using the notary as a timestamp, or at least a date stamp.

                I imagine a bunch of notaries all across the country are going to be wondering wtf are all the neckbearded 5.11 shirt types showing up to get shit signed.

                They media is saying that 2021R-08F will be entered into the national register within the week. So if you have a trust and want the tax free entry of some of your otherwise unknown firearms into said trust, may as well get a notarized inventory made up.

                You can always just shred it and only you and the notary will know if it's existence -- but might save you several rifles worth of tax stamps if you play your cards right.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not sure how they get around state trust laws. Most states do not require a notary at time of assignment.

                I'll still get a notary, but the assignment date stated on it is 2022 and signed tomorrow.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Federal law supercedes state law.

                And besides it's sort of a one of utilization of a notary in order to get registered tax free.

                The feds don't want you to include everygun you buy in the next 119 days and submit them for free tax stamps -- so it makes sense for them to limit the window to firearms already in your possession.

                Legal or not, right or wrong, if you want free tax stamps you may as well cough up a few bucks for a notary service if you already are on the ATF's radar (for the right reasons) and just need to get your braced pistols into compliance.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You sound like an ATF agent.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Has not mattered in the past for form 1 or 4. No notary req other than that of trust. But, govt can do whatever they want. Of course.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ATF "decisions" aren't laws soooo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ITS NOT A FREE SBR WHO KEEPS FEEDING YOU THESE LIES

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Federal law supercedes state law.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Federal law regulating firearms exclusively applies to interstate commerce. By all means, come stack up, because I'll win in court. You'll at least have a chance.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                good luck with that anon. SCOTUS has previously held that purely intrastate commerce still affect interstate commerce so the ICC can still be applied. It's total BS but a huge amount of federal law depends upon ICC so SCOTUS won't rock that boat. You can raise hogs for your local farmer's market and they'll still apply ICC because someone who buys your hogs isn't buying hogs that were raised out of state thus affecting interstate commerce. It's completely fucked but been upheld.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                United States v. Lopez actually set this specific precedent with wheat quotas

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The wheat quotas was Wickard v. Filburn. US v. Lopez actually set boundaries on the fed's ability to regulate activity by saying that intrastate non-economic activity (carrying a gun in a school zone) did NOT fall under the interstate commerce clause.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are correct, my bad, thanks anon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol, lmao even. In practice they have the exact same amount of power, if not less than the states. This is like saying that the feds have more authority to tell a child to brush their teeth before bed than their parents do. Sure, in theory, but not in reality. Think of the feds less as the people who run the country, and more as the people who own the country.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Federal law supercedes state law

                what are
                >sanctuary states
                >marijuana, crack, and heroin dispensaries
                >federal interstate commerce clause vs mandatory state collected sales tax from internet sales
                >civil rights act vs UBI for only people of color
                >title IX vs states forcing trannies in college female sports
                > states making up their own 1 month of pre-voting and then counting for 3 months after election day rules for mail ballots despite federal code literally saying "The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election,"
                >illegal aliens now allowed to vote in new york state despite citizenship being a constitutional federal requirement
                >states forcing experimental vaccine treatments on its citizens and employees despite supreme court striking down mandates as unconstiutional
                >federal law requires states to allow concealed carry but blue states keep denying right to citizens to carry or buy guns

                yeah federal law only supercedes state law when its convenient for leftist authoritarian anti-american communists. in case you werent paying attnetion the past 2 years, laws dont matter anymore. i wont be following this garden gnomed bullshit and neither should you.

                id also like to point out that its completely legal to violate the illegal shortbarrel and buttsotck federal requirements on the AR15 platform. a very heavily suppressed fact is that the feds cant prosecute most violations on the AR15 and rely entirely only on intimidation to coerce your self inflicted guilty plea. this is because the courts have repeatedly ruled that the AR15 is not a firearm,

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >whoah but what? i purchase and sell my AR15 lowers through FFLs and maintain a 16" barrel at all times

                yes because you are an ignorant retard. its 100% legal to sell and mail complete AR15 lowers to anyone in the country whenever you feel like it.

                https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/06/atf-ar-15-gun-law-loophole-glover-pkg-vpx.cnn

                https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/ar-15-guns-law-atf-invs/index.htmlhttps://apnews.com/article/nv-state-wire-us-news-ap-top-news-ca-state-wire-oh-state-wire-396bbedbf4963a28bda99e7793ee6366

                https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-atfs-definition-of-an-ar-15-lower-as-a-firearm-is-in-serious-trouble/

                https://kslnewsradio.com/1919080/former-atf-agent-at-center-of-legal-dispute-over-ar-15/

                >wtf why am i following these gay retarded buttstock and barrel length rules that arent even laws, let alone issued from a legitimate authority, when the AR15 isnt even legally considered a firearm to begin with and is no different (actually less regulated) than black powder antique muzzleloaders?

                sorry dude, i dont know why you are a gay little cuck acting like a european. we live in america, you can do whatever you want.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >this is because the courts have repeatedly ruled that the AR15 is not a firearm,
                Kek I always forget that case

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >sanctuary states
                Fed law supersedes, all these laws do is prevent local and state resources from assisting feds
                >marijuana, crack, and heroin dispensaries
                those with federal carveouts aside (e.g. pharmacies) the feds can bust these up any time they please, state law establishing recreational drugs doesn't supersede federal
                >federal interstate commerce clause vs mandatory state collected sales tax from internet sales
                both of these are evidence that the feds due supersede as the law requiring state collection of sales tax for out of state internet transaction is federal. ICC (as flawed as its use has been) is exclusively federal.
                >civil rights act vs UBI for only people of color
                If your saying that UBI supersedes federal law you're incorrect. If you have standing you can bring suit and the federal court's decision (whatever it may be) will apply to the states
                >title IX vs states forcing trannies in college female sports
                They are doing so UNDER title iX, so again, fed supremacy
                > states making up their own 1 month of pre-voting and then counting for 3 months after election day rules for mail ballots despite federal code literally saying "The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election,"
                The constitution relegates the method of elections to the states, they're not pre-empting federal law
                >illegal aliens now allowed to vote in new york state despite citizenship being a constitutional federal requirement
                The states (and municipalities) are able to determine their own eligibility for state (and local) elections
                >states forcing experimental vaccine treatments on its citizens and employees despite supreme court striking down mandates as unconstiutional
                FED mandates via OSHA, not state
                >federal law requires states to allow concealed carry but blue states keep denying right to citizens to carry or buy guns
                and get spanked by SCOTUS, again Feds supersede

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Fed law supersedes, all these laws do is prevent local and state resources from assisting feds
                https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2020/06/26/19-16299.pdf

                not even going to bother addressing the rest because anyone that pays attention to politics can see you are a lying disingenuous little leftist garden gnome

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >states suing feds in federal court about federal law and procedures
                >obviously states can pass laws that override the feds
                that doesn't mean what you think it does anon
                >y-you're a tankie garden gnome
                firm lifelong conservative, Christian, and firm 2a believer but I'm also based in reality anon. believing in fairy tales isn't going to help us defeat bullshit laws at the federal level, wake up

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >sanctuary states
                Fed law supersedes, all these laws do is prevent local and state resources from assisting feds
                >marijuana, crack, and heroin dispensaries
                those with federal carveouts aside (e.g. pharmacies) the feds can bust these up any time they please, state law establishing recreational drugs doesn't supersede federal
                >federal interstate commerce clause vs mandatory state collected sales tax from internet sales
                both of these are evidence that the feds due supersede as the law requiring state collection of sales tax for out of state internet transaction is federal. ICC (as flawed as its use has been) is exclusively federal.
                >civil rights act vs UBI for only people of color
                If your saying that UBI supersedes federal law you're incorrect. If you have standing you can bring suit and the federal court's decision (whatever it may be) will apply to the states
                >title IX vs states forcing trannies in college female sports
                They are doing so UNDER title iX, so again, fed supremacy
                > states making up their own 1 month of pre-voting and then counting for 3 months after election day rules for mail ballots despite federal code literally saying "The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election,"
                The constitution relegates the method of elections to the states, they're not pre-empting federal law
                >illegal aliens now allowed to vote in new york state despite citizenship being a constitutional federal requirement
                The states (and municipalities) are able to determine their own eligibility for state (and local) elections
                >states forcing experimental vaccine treatments on its citizens and employees despite supreme court striking down mandates as unconstiutional
                FED mandates via OSHA, not state
                >federal law requires states to allow concealed carry but blue states keep denying right to citizens to carry or buy guns
                and get spanked by SCOTUS, again Feds supersede

                He was illustrating the double standard dummy

                https://i.imgur.com/UMxgIXN.jpg

                >Federal law supercedes state law

                what are
                >sanctuary states
                >marijuana, crack, and heroin dispensaries
                >federal interstate commerce clause vs mandatory state collected sales tax from internet sales
                >civil rights act vs UBI for only people of color
                >title IX vs states forcing trannies in college female sports
                > states making up their own 1 month of pre-voting and then counting for 3 months after election day rules for mail ballots despite federal code literally saying "The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election,"
                >illegal aliens now allowed to vote in new york state despite citizenship being a constitutional federal requirement
                >states forcing experimental vaccine treatments on its citizens and employees despite supreme court striking down mandates as unconstiutional
                >federal law requires states to allow concealed carry but blue states keep denying right to citizens to carry or buy guns

                yeah federal law only supercedes state law when its convenient for leftist authoritarian anti-american communists. in case you werent paying attnetion the past 2 years, laws dont matter anymore. i wont be following this garden gnomed bullshit and neither should you.

                id also like to point out that its completely legal to violate the illegal shortbarrel and buttsotck federal requirements on the AR15 platform. a very heavily suppressed fact is that the feds cant prosecute most violations on the AR15 and rely entirely only on intimidation to coerce your self inflicted guilty plea. this is because the courts have repeatedly ruled that the AR15 is not a firearm,

                >yeah federal law only supercedes state law when its convenient for leftist authoritarian anti-american communists.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                then he should be bitching about selective enforcement rather than pulling bullshit out of his ass about supremacy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was literally all he did you imbecile.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >this is because the courts have repeatedly ruled that the AR15 is not a firearm
                technically repeatedly as in more than once. I think it happened twice. This is NOT a common occurrence. If you want to bet your freedom on that repeating itself in your trial knock yourself out.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Since 2016, at least five defendants have challenged the government and succeeded in getting some charges dropped, avoiding prison or seeing their cases dismissed entirely. Three judges have rejected the government’s interpretation of the law, despite dire warnings from prosecutors.

                shut the fuck up ATF fatty

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oooooo five times, not two. You're definitely in the clean anon. drill that third hole!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/8ObSbTx.jpg

                >Since 2016, at least five defendants have challenged the government and succeeded in getting some charges dropped, avoiding prison or seeing their cases dismissed entirely. Three judges have rejected the government’s interpretation of the law, despite dire warnings from prosecutors.

                shut the fuck up ATF fatty

                if it happened 40% more often it would be once a year. That's huge! "REPEATEDLY"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                most prosecutions are dropped so there is no court case that proceeds from them. wow its like you didnt even read the posted articles i explicitly linked in the post

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >most are dropped
                https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Felon_In_Possession_FY18.pdf
                yeah
                inb4 b-but we don't k-now those are ARs? Same legal jujitsu applied to most handguns anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >oooooo five times, not two. You're definitely in the clean anon. drill that third hole!
                read me the part of the law where this applies to an AR15 lower

                https://i.imgur.com/Xht3dV7.jpg

                or you can just read my posts above because your AR is not a firearm

                >US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

                US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

                >US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

                US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

                like holy shit you dumb gays, i post this all the time here on PrepHole and nobody ever remembers or pays attention. spread this knowledge you useless golem

                >US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

                go on, tell me how this applies to an AR15 lower. no ESL diversity hire tier language please, only legitimate english.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ackchyully
                yeah, because the precise definition always carries the day in court. This is why there are thousands of felon with a gun convictions every year even though many of them don't meet that precise definition. If only they'd hired you are their legal representation anon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You've got the ATF right where you want them. You can now make a fortune selling Glocks and AR-15s to anyone you want without an FFL and regardless of their status. When they shoot your dog you just look them sternly in the eyes and yell "Tell me how these are firearms! YOU CAN'T!!!!11!1one!!"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yup go on, keep registering your legal constitutionally protected property and sending pictures of it in for penis inspection along with a $200 tip

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Post your illegal SBRs and MGs. It's OK, they're technically not firearms.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                never said anything about MGs retard, that is a separate law with its own definition that is more broad and vague

                >The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

                learn to fucking read

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cool

                Now post your illegal SBRs. They're not firearms, you have nothing to worry about. Hell, send pics to the ATF and taunt them, be the test case that invalidates the NFA and GCA for us.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >unironically posts john oliver gif from tenor
                oh PrepHole what have you become.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him, but like 5 people have said already, why? There’s nothing to gain and there is something to lose. SBRs aren’t even special. Everyone and their dog has a pistol AR and everyone has put a stock on it at some point.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                troll was talking like he was some badass not complying like the sheeple. Just some keyboard warrior talking shit so I called him out on it and told him to post his illegal stuff since he's adamant that AR-15s are technically exempt from NFA and GCA. If he truly believed the shit he's shoveling he'd have unregistered SBRs and not be afraid to show the world. But he doesn't, he's a fag, and won't do shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >encouraging others to break the law
                See?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Federal law supercedes state law.
                Oh no, it's retarded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Federal law supercedes state law.
                Federal law only applies to interstate commerce. All other laws passed are unconstitutional and invalid. That's why the feds haven't kicked doors in for weed, because they know the state will challenge how they have literally no authority. Major Questions Doctrine and Strict Scrutiny are going out the window because we finally have an originalist supreme court. Fucking try it fedboy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >marxist garden gnomes want you to register your guns goy, what's the problem

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tax stamps are so fucking gay. Repealing the NFA is not.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cant freely travel across state boarders
      >cant carry it loaded and concealed
      Yeah, an SBR is sooo much cooler than a pistol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is what really bugs the shit out of me. This isn't even a problem with suppressors.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tax stamps are an overstep, as is the atf trying to bypass tax laws while also infringing on a protected right.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For crying out loud it’s not the 200$ stamp that’s the pain in the ass it’s the fucking fingerprint cards, passport photos and all the multiple forms that need to be mailed and the goddamn WAITING.
      Retards buy flip up iron sights that cost 200$.
      If it was easy as just “buying the stamp” like it was part of checking out at a store nobody would care.
      The NFA would be a formality if really was just as simple as a 4473 with a tax.
      The reason everyone hates it is because of the fucking headaches.
      Then the fact that it’s a registry is just icing on the shit cake.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also keep in mind that the atf isn't allowed to make a digital datase of nfa item owners.
        They did anyway, and no one has tried to hold they accountable for it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          lmao I'm imagining them constricted to the rules, frantically carrying boxes of papers everywhere after a roof leak, typewriters clacking everywhere, microwaves beeping nonstop as their pizza rolls get done

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you have a FFL on file do they still require the whole 9 yards with the finger prints and such?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don’t have the proper answer off the top of my head but I know for a fact you need to file fingerprints for every single individual stamp.
          It’s written in the law that these things are required and it’s a miracle efile is even a thing.
          it only requires access to a digital fingerprint scanning machine that uses the FBIs standardized format so as long as you have one lying around you’re good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ya mudda

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the 40 yr old cooomplier jpg.
      Shill your compliance elsewhere.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      imagine paying $200 to put a brace on your gun. that that point you might as well just put a normal stock on it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You can get your rights infringed upon... for FREE!!!!!!!
      I hope you die screaming

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Right I pay a shit ton of taxes so I can be infringed on.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We all just gotta stop paying taxes. We are paying these fools to keep us on our knees.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually the ATF ruling won't take effect for 120days from the time it was posted, and we'll see if it makes it that long. As for your question it is generally legal but can get a little grey if you've got more stocks than rifles laying around. Historically owning a bare buffer stock AR pistol along with rifles and potentially extra stocks was tolerated. Technically a malicious prosecutor could TRY to argue that this would constitute constructive possession of an SBR but the practice was fairly common and AFAIK nobody has ever been charged let alone prosecuted for such and I seriously doubt they'd bother trying that unless you really caught there attention for other reasons

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where in the law does it say anything about braces on their own being illegal?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The LAW doesn't say anything about braces but fuck me if I can understand the RULES that the ATF makes.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Instead of banning ownership of pistol braces for law abiding citizens, they should just make it illegal for criminals to own guns

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Watch it anon. You start talking like that and you’re going to end up getting a knock at the door. This is no time for rational thinking.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's a better question:
    First, lets assume everyone and their brother who owns a brace actually goes out of their way to register and get their stamp or whatever, now there will be millions of new NFA items, all over the country.
    Presumably, people who sign on board or whatever will have a physical form of proof, but because they'll be so unbelievably common, nobody will bother asking to see it.
    Even if someone asks, every other boomer is going to be like "Oh, yeah, I left the paper at home in my safe. Is that a problem?" because they're old and irritable and have questionable memory and focus.

    It's going to be so common that nobody is going to bother checking to see whether or not you've got your stamp, and even then they can't exactly call it in and ask a central office if it's on file, right?
    So why bother in the first place?

    If you're at the range, just say "Shit, left the stamp at home. Sowwy!"
    If you use it in a HD situation, just toss the brace before anyone shows up.
    It's only going to become a problem when you use it commit a crime, so don't be doing crimes, and nothing changes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you SBR it you can trash the brace.

      If anything it will make SBR with stocks so commonplace people won't question stocks on pistols.

      The whole point of SBR'ing a braced pistol is to be able to ditch the brace and use a stock so you can shoulder it without fear of your dog's physical well being.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the only good thing is that it highlights how many SBR's are in common use. This will potentially give force to overturning that part of the NFA.
      >It's going to be so common that nobody is going to bother checking to see whether or not you've got your stamp, and even then they can't exactly call it in and ask a central office if it's on file, right? So why bother in the first place?
      If someone registers their firearm as an SBR, it still needs to be engraved which would be visible on the gun. Elmer Fudd RSO has no authority to demand to see a tax stamp.
      >If you use it in a HD situation, just toss the brace before anyone shows up
      this rule says that with a brace, it's an SBR, so this wouldn't change anything.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If someone registers their firearm as an SBR, it still needs to be engraved which would be visible on the gun. Elmer Fudd RSO has no authority to demand to see a tax stamp.
        I thought that only applied for if you plan on transferring said firearm?

        https://i.imgur.com/U60kvKb.jpg

        [...]
        [...]
        I was at a gun shop during the work week in the morning to certify my can when people with jobs are normally at work.
        A stereotypical hood rat walks into the shop with a kids backpack with some cartoon character on it.
        He pulls out an MP5K clone with a VFG attached and starts asking the clerk at the counter if they sell mags for it.
        Clerk says he doesn't have MP5 mags and to buy online.
        Hood rat insists he doesn't want to do online, but thanks anyways.
        Clerk tells hood rat "I don't care what you do and it doesn't mother me, but just so you know that grip makes your gun a felony".
        Hood rat says thanks for the heads up and proceeds to put it back in his cartoon backpack without removing the grip and leaves.

        >Hood rat says thanks for the heads up and proceeds to put it back in his cartoon backpack without removing the grip and leaves.
        Sounds about right.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you can use the S/N, but you need to add your name (or trust) and location.
          https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/blogs/nfa-gun-trust-atf-information-database-blog/atf-nfa-engraving-requirements-walk-through-guide

          https://i.imgur.com/WmKTXWs.jpg

          Bracefags eternally BTFO by bullpupfags. Have fun with your shitty cope felony rifles while you can, meanwhile I will be enjoying a shorter OAL, better ballistics, and becoming your new daddy

          anon, we can still go shorter.
          https://iwi.us/product/tavor-x95-5-56-nato-sbr-conversion-kit/

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We can go even more shorter

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >his barrel projects past the strong hand
              Ngmi

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I unironically want a Malyuk

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It already bothers me that I paid money and did paperwork bullshit for my sbr lower and literally no one has ever bothered to ask me about it which makes me question why even do it. Shit I have a C96 refinished that I can legally stock up and no one ever asks about it.

      Same goes for my suppressors.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It already bothers me that I paid money and did paperwork bullshit for my sbr lower and literally no one has ever bothered to ask me about it which makes me question why even do it
        I was at the range like two or three months ago and the dude in the lane next to me had a re-welded VZ-61 (obviously re-welded, like it was nicely done but you could still tell).
        I had a re-weld uzi pistol build, so naturally we bonded immediately.
        I said "Man, I should really file for the stupid stamp already so I can just put the stock on like you."
        He laughed, said "Bro you think I paid 200 doll hairs to put the stupid little bent wire thing on the back of this POS? No way Jose."

        I was shocked for a second, but then I laughed.
        I couldn't believe this guy not only had the stones to bring an obviously home-built un-registered SBR (maybe even MG, who knows - he only shot it in S/A while I was there) out to a public range, but he flat out told A STRANGER that it wasn't papered.

        The times anon. They are a changin'.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, probAbly jusT a good old boy For surE

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moron there are only a couple thousand BATFags nationwide. Most are stationed at their headquarters. You really think they have time to go to random ranges all over the country and try to bait people with unregistered SBRs? That’s retarded. They’d try but they literally don’t have the manpower. It’s much easier to sell fake glock giggle switches and whatnot to entrap people.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You really think they have time to go to random ranges all over the country and try to bait people with unregistered SBRs?

              no they rely on soliciting snitches for most of their work. one of their favorite sources are psycho bitch ex lovers

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                >your exgf or exwife holds bitter contempt for you
                >sees ATF snitchline promoted in her globohomo social media propaganda homepage because the google tracking AI algos picked you up as a gun owner years ago and knew she associates with you and the feds specifically pay these garden gnomes to run adds on targets after breakups
                >"oh wow anon had all these illegal guns fuck anon lets see how much he likes his new 20 year old piece of ass NOW! yes FBI? id like to report a psycho violent ex boyfriend in possession of assault weapon with the shoulder thing that goes up"

                or how about

                >"ugh that anon who kept looking at me at the gym is a total creepo! i heard him talking to those white friends of his about guns they probably gonna do creepy gun shit let me just click this report button before i upload my sweaty asscrack selfie for moron likes"

                i mean im sure you can think of a million reasons this shit can be abused and just because you think you have relative safety from it does not mean it should be allowed to exist. you naive moron.

                So rather than address the topic of atf at gun ranges, you decided to schizo post (the bad schizo post) about how women will ruin your life. Cool.

                moron if an ex wanted to ruin your life, she’d say you threaten to kill her and get the cops to knock down your door. She isn’t going to go through the dog and pony show with the atf. Women aren’t that clever or patient.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well i see my post went right over your head. read it again but with better comprehension this time and youll see i was positing jilted women as only 1 form out of a million ways in which the ATF will solicit snitches and crowdsourced detectives to fuck your shit up. gay.

                your 100% retarded argument was literally "oh well it doesnt matter if thats the rule because theres only a few of them so they cant get us teehee". holy fuck you short sighted naive little retard. you have the ignorance of a boomer with the mindset of a zoomer. we are approaching the literal singularity for AI and live in the most surveilled police state to ever exist. technology is the great equalizer for a disparate minority to terrorize the masses.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You really think they have time to go to random ranges all over the country and try to bait people with unregistered SBRs?
                Yes or no?

                Your posts reek of
                >the government will know eventually so you better not break the law
                Complying is for fags

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/i4DfrZG.jpg

              >You really think they have time to go to random ranges all over the country and try to bait people with unregistered SBRs?

              no they rely on soliciting snitches for most of their work. one of their favorite sources are psycho bitch ex lovers

              >your exgf or exwife holds bitter contempt for you
              >sees ATF snitchline promoted in her globohomo social media propaganda homepage because the google tracking AI algos picked you up as a gun owner years ago and knew she associates with you and the feds specifically pay these garden gnomes to run adds on targets after breakups
              >"oh wow anon had all these illegal guns fuck anon lets see how much he likes his new 20 year old piece of ass NOW! yes FBI? id like to report a psycho violent ex boyfriend in possession of assault weapon with the shoulder thing that goes up"

              or how about

              >"ugh that anon who kept looking at me at the gym is a total creepo! i heard him talking to those white friends of his about guns they probably gonna do creepy gun shit let me just click this report button before i upload my sweaty asscrack selfie for moron likes"

              i mean im sure you can think of a million reasons this shit can be abused and just because you think you have relative safety from it does not mean it should be allowed to exist. you naive moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Actual schizo babble

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Hey dumbfuck, what are sting operations? Let me try to help you understand. If you are at the range shooting the the shit and a stranger starts bragging about breaking federal firearm laws or rules, that ought to at least set an internal alarm off. Your posts' ending is foolish to say the least.

              >It already bothers me that I paid money and did paperwork bullshit for my sbr lower and literally no one has ever bothered to ask me about it which makes me question why even do it
              I was at the range like two or three months ago and the dude in the lane next to me had a re-welded VZ-61 (obviously re-welded, like it was nicely done but you could still tell).
              I had a re-weld uzi pistol build, so naturally we bonded immediately.
              I said "Man, I should really file for the stupid stamp already so I can just put the stock on like you."
              He laughed, said "Bro you think I paid 200 doll hairs to put the stupid little bent wire thing on the back of this POS? No way Jose."

              I was shocked for a second, but then I laughed.
              I couldn't believe this guy not only had the stones to bring an obviously home-built un-registered SBR (maybe even MG, who knows - he only shot it in S/A while I was there) out to a public range, but he flat out told A STRANGER that it wasn't papered.

              The times anon. They are a changin'.

              >>It already bothers me that I paid money and did paperwork bullshit for my sbr lower and literally no one has ever bothered to ask me about it which makes me question why even do it
              >I was at the range like two or three months ago and the dude in the lane next to me had a re-welded VZ-61 (obviously re-welded, like it was nicely done but you could still tell).
              >I had a re-weld uzi pistol build, so naturally we bonded immediately.
              >I said "Man, I should really file for the stupid stamp already so I can just put the stock on like you."
              >He laughed, said "Bro you think I paid 200 doll hairs to put the stupid little bent wire thing on the back of this POS? No way Jose."
              >I was shocked for a second, but then I laughed.
              >I couldn't believe this guy not only had the stones to bring an obviously home-built un-registered SBR (maybe even MG, who knows - he only shot it in S/A while I was there) out to a public range, but he flat out told A STRANGER that it wasn't papered.
              >The times anon. They are a changin'.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your posts' ending is foolish to say the least.
                Not my post you retard. They only have enough field agents to run a couple hundred sting operations a year at most. Shit my state literally has 1 permanent ATF agent. What’s more likely, that this guy happened to run into one of those, who didn’t even pressure him to make a SBR, or that out of 120+ million gun owners he ran into one of the ones that doesn’t care about gay laws? Probability says the latter.

                The feds most successful psyop is convincing people online they are more powerful than they actually are.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >literally no one has ever bothered to ask me about it
        It's like a seatbelt. You might not ever need it and it's only an inconvenience for you - but on the rare occasion you might need it, it could literally save your life.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The ATF are dirty bastards that could use an excuse like having a short barrel upper and a rifle lower to claim intent. There is nothing illegal about owning both but I would not own a pistol upper without first owning the pistol lower. That said, I hope this buy becomes a millionaire at the ATF's expense:

    https://www.givesendgo.com/carlomarcelo?sharemsg=display

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who the fuck knows or cares. All I know is there are a ton of people who bought AR pistols in 2020-21 and don't even know what an NFA is. Hell, some of those people probably just turned them into SBRs, because they don't know any better.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lots of people actually. They show up to gun safety classes with their new AR's having no clue that the VFG is a problem and stuff like that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yep, and good luck explaining it to them, because to them, they have the same thing as someone with a 16" AR, but shorter. They will bring that up, and how they want it to be easier for them to aim, shoot, or whatever. Some go as far as just replacing the brace, because it was too uncomfortable. The ATF will dig their own grave by messing with some of those people.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lots of people actually. They show up to gun safety classes with their new AR's having no clue that the VFG is a problem and stuff like that.

      Yep, and good luck explaining it to them, because to them, they have the same thing as someone with a 16" AR, but shorter. They will bring that up, and how they want it to be easier for them to aim, shoot, or whatever. Some go as far as just replacing the brace, because it was too uncomfortable. The ATF will dig their own grave by messing with some of those people.

      I was at a gun shop during the work week in the morning to certify my can when people with jobs are normally at work.
      A stereotypical hood rat walks into the shop with a kids backpack with some cartoon character on it.
      He pulls out an MP5K clone with a VFG attached and starts asking the clerk at the counter if they sell mags for it.
      Clerk says he doesn't have MP5 mags and to buy online.
      Hood rat insists he doesn't want to do online, but thanks anyways.
      Clerk tells hood rat "I don't care what you do and it doesn't mother me, but just so you know that grip makes your gun a felony".
      Hood rat says thanks for the heads up and proceeds to put it back in his cartoon backpack without removing the grip and leaves.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. My father in law bought a pistol AR, swapped the brace out for a stock because he didnt know. Told him that he made an illegal SBR and his response was.
      >thats stupid, only illegal if they find out.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they just found out thanks to you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Who the fuck knows or cares. All I know is there are a ton of people who bought AR pistols in 2020-21 and don't even know what an NFA is
      yep, like the common retard isn't going to even know anything about this, so it just puts literally anyone, from the urban street lyricists to the old boomer who wanted a 300 blk pistol to hunt with in shit

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bracefags eternally BTFO by bullpupfags. Have fun with your shitty cope felony rifles while you can, meanwhile I will be enjoying a shorter OAL, better ballistics, and becoming your new daddy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      where's your suppressor?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think your dogshit WML is more egregious than no can.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have a streamlight in the mail, relax

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >plastic garden gnome gun
      >bull puppy maggy waggy
      How’s your transition going?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The transition from 5.56 to 9mm, or the transition from my current self into a better, more successful man? In either case, the only barrier is financial, but very doable

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just hate how these look like rectangles. My local shop has one of these for 1.8k. They keep trying to sell it but these are just so.. fucking.. boring.. and ugly. Does it at least shoot well?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Does it at least shoot well?
        Best 5 shot group I've ever gotten was just a hair over 2 MOA. It's a solid 2.5 MOA on a good day. From a bench I can hit the 6in 200 yard steel target without even trying, struggle a lot with a 3in target at the same distance, but have no trouble with the 3in at 100 yards.
        I've never had a single issue with it, I clean it every 3-400 rounds or so but being dirty has never impacted performance. It doesn't really like steel case, but I haven't seen steel case 5.56 at my LGS in years. My only complaint is the lack of an adjustable gas system but I bulk buy the same brand so I usually set and forget anyway. The trigger upgrade brings it to a completely different level and it's currently my favorite gun to shoot. The handguard is all aluminum and has an integrated bipod which adds a bit of weight but equals very little recoil and barrel rise. It's incredibly reliable and I would recommend them to anyone willing to cough up the sheckles for an actual ballistically effective 5.56 in a 26.5in OAL package.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Got a problem with rectangles faghot?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        boy do i have a rifle for you

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think it might be the best looking bullpup so far but I don't like the vfg and finding an extended handguard that doesn't look like shit and is securely mounted seems impossible.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            give the foregrip a shot, it's much comfier than it looks and it's very sturdy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Cracks

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >sigger
          >bullpup
          >Mac
          >glencairn glass in view
          R*ddit might be more your pace

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you have a mental disorder mate
            also that's a Kruve espresso glass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now I'm just gonna buy a stock and put it on my gun.
    Fuck em.
    If they actually try to arrest a huge chunk of the population the entire system will collapse. They cant do much to us in reality.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Sage

      Only if we all stand together and hold the line

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Okay, so I know the ATF considers pistol braces to be stocks now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i like it so far

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NRA membership - 5 million
    >GOA membership - 2 million
    >SAF membership - 600 thousand
    >Not one nation wide petition to repeal NFA
    Americanbros...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They unironically reserve the right to ignore petitions they don't like

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they are all ZOG
      dont forget
      https://jpfo.org/

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    intent to assemble iniit eh

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm not talking about putting them together, just am I allowed to own both items separately?

    No

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The short answer is once this new ruling comes into effect brace=stock.

    Any firearm you have the atf can likely arbitrarily rule is a rifle, too heavy, too short eye relief, your dog barked at them. Your pistol is now a rifle, whether it has a brace or a stock on it, your dog will bark no more.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The short answer is once this new ruling comes into effect brace=stock.
      Worse, they even say any surface that can be used to shoulder a pistol can be considered as an SBR.
      So any AR pistol with a buffer tube is now an SBR

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Trips of truth.

        If you read the prior published criteria anything over 4 points is a short barreled rifle.

        Nothing I can imagine doesn't have a score of less than 4 points. Simply put it will take all new designs, purpose built for handicapable people, in order to meet the ATF checklist for a braced pistol.

        If you own anything that has less than 16 inches of barrel that isn't by design a handgun only, it will likely be a rifle in the eyes of the ATF so act accordingly.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Most PCCs aren't shoulderable without a stock, the AR is just weird because of the tube.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't things like this become SBR's when the ruling goes into effect?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If it has the brace. If it's just bare, I don't think so. AR pistols are just weird because they're counting the buffer tube itself as a stock.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                only when it's not intrinsic to the function of the gun. Your ar-15 pistol has a buffer tube to make it work and that's ok, your draco can't have the buffer tube anymore at all

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This, you aren't supposed to have pointless not-a-stock protrusions off the back of the gun

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Technically, that is considered to be an sbr NOW.
              There is simply a grace/amnesty period of 120 days to register and "make right" with the feds regarding it's status, or ditch, sell, or modify it.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, you may not have a brace and a pistol, the brace must be destroyed.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm barely paying any attention to any of this gay shit at all
    What happened and what does the ATF "want" me to do?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Congratulations all of your pistol length carbines have been upgraded to short barrelled rifles and now full under the purview of the ATF!

      You and millions of others are now felons!

      Kiss your dogs goodbye and put in a retainer for a 2a lawyer because you're going to need it! Thanks for playing the alphabet agency game, you'll be hearing for us soon enough!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ok yeah but what exactly do they expect from me?
        And doesn't this just streamline the bullshit and make using an actual stock on a sub 16 inch barrel easier?
        Can we finally stop pussy footing around it with "braces" and use actual stocks?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You have a 127 +/- 7 days to register all of your newly deemed SBR's or else the consequences will never be the same.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. You can legally own them separately.
    *wink wink*
    You know what to do.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m so glad I never fell for this brace crap. Just get good with a shockwave if you need a tiny kill stick.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where’s this lil bro fit in?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fuck if I know
      It's a fun loud thing
      also that mag doesn't fit in anything else for shit for some reason

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      do they even make braces for the plr-16? where would it even attach? in the hole where the sling swivel pin goes?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fucking checked
      also what a bout something like the P50? that's right up there with the way to big to be a handgun category

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can I get a quick run down? Are braces being treated the same as a sbr? If I have to register both, why even bother getting a brace at all?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, yes, there is no reason to get a brace anymore unless you are literally handicapped and physically unable to shoulder your rifle (which is ironically the "reason" they exist in the first place).

      The ATF is just getting out of line again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        gotcha, thanks friend

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Are braces being treated the same as a sbr?
      No, braces are being treated the same as any other stock. So if you have an AR pistol you can either (A) take the brace off and just have a bare buffer tube to keep it classified as a pistol (B) register it as an SBR in the next 120 days or (C) say fuck it and just put a real stock on it since it's now already an illegal SBR

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean yeah, if I'm already non compliant, either register it and put a real stock on it.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone explain the new rules?
    >inb4 look in the thread
    I'm too lazy. Spoonfeed me or else I will post furry porn.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Brace bad, registration good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A brace is a stock now, so if you have a braced "pistol" the atf now has given you 120 days to get rid of the brace, or register it with them.
      But they're willing to wave the $200 if you do it, ignoring the fact that they don't have the authority to do so as it's a tax, and thus outside of their power to change in any way. Which is why it's still $200 after almost a hundred heads, and not a billion dollars or whatever they would charge to "regulate" firearms. Which they also don't have the authority to do.
      But if you don't follow their ~~*interpretations*~~, they'll come and shoot you dog and label you a felon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can't this be easily overturned in ensuing lawsuits?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          As long as the compromised legal system upholds the law, Yea.
          Honestly hoping states pivot this into a "ok, we're not going to recognize you as a legitimate enforcement agency" instead. It's a lofty hope, as that would surely rile up the federal government, but one can hope.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't the states have that ability to just say "we think you guys are unconstitutional, so until we get that solved in court, fuck off"?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              State's Rights versus Federal Rights is a major issue of contention in the United States (we literally had a war about it).

              States can tell the fed to fuck off, many of them have done this with shit like Marijuana sales, abortion, or fag marriage. Hopefully there is a governor out there somewhere with a set of balls who will declare their state a 2A sanctuary and either the government backs off or we finally get to quit fucking around and light the candle.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's called nullification and we fought a war over it. The answer is no that states can't do that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >prohibition banned something in common use by millions
                >degeneracy and hedonism everywhere
                >looming economic collapse
                History does like to repeat itself and a late 20s-30s scenario isn’t off the board. Maybe we’ll have another stab at states rights too

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >History does like to repeat itself and a late 20s-30s scenario isn’t off the board.
                lets hope so

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Contrary to the retardation espoused by most of the posts here, no, braces are not stocks now. The ATF rule is vague and has no objective criteria.
      Basically the ATF says that is a pistol has a brave on it and the pistol is too rifle-y then it's an SBR. They give a whole list of features that weigh for and against whether a pistol is a rifle but don't rely on any one specific objective test. Braces are still legal to buy, sell, and own. The one objective thing they DID do is effectively single out a bunch of prebuilt beaced pistols and say "these are definitely SBRs, not pistols", effectively banning then by name. So Troy owners have to either take the brace off their pistol or register it as an SBR.
      PrepHole will figure this out in a month when a guntuber makes a video explaining this in detail because no one on this board is actually willing to read the rule and just regurgitates headlines from ammoland and reddit.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No gunland here, what are gun brace?
    From searching, it said it's some kind of stabilizer, but I'm not 100% sure on this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Originally it was meant to allow cripples to shoot an AR one handed, but had the side benefit of you could shoulder it like a stock. ATF said it's fine it's not a stock. As the gun industry likes to do it started to play teehee I'm not touching with the ATF and ruin a favorable outcome. Things like picture related were made under the guise of being a brace. ATF got tired of this shit and said they are all stocks now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's so deadly or dangerous about stock?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It let's people think that they have rights.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because concealability, I guess. It's a dumb law.

          Why are you portraying the ATF as the good guys younfed groid?

          I'm not you retard, I'm stating what happened. The gun industry can be as dumb as the teenager banging his hot teacher, doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ians got a video about it.
          Something something about concealability

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Idgi, stocks do the opposite to that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not Ians, I can't find his vid.
            Anyway, from the vid and what he said it only make it more stability and for concealment you can put in a bag.
            I don't fully know about American gun law but I still can't make the connection between stock on pistol and making it more deadly. What am I missing here?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Quicker follow up shots, easier to aim and to take recoil, etc.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I see, I was comparing hand gun to rifle and wonder how stock on hand gun turn it into something like a rifle.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A stock on a normal handgun makes it easier to shoot also. But don’t try to put logic to this decision or the law. It’s their for tyranny, not for safety.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >connection between stock on pistol and making it more deadly
              There is none.

              The relevant law (National Firearms Act of 1934) was intended to restrict machineguns (because gangsters), handguns (because normal criminals), and silencers (because... reasons?). With respect to handguns, they also restricted short-barreled rifles and shotguns to close off the loophole that would otherwise have resulted in chopped down rifles and shotguns serving as ersatz handguns.

              Lobbyists got handguns removed before the law passed; this made the "obrez loophole" nonexistent and relieved the SBR/SBS restrictions of any rational intent, but they remained in the law anyway.
              And so people who want to believe the law is not an ass have been inventing stupid rationalizations for nearly a century.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's kind of funny how allegedly SBRs needed to be restricted because they're more concealable, but they also wanted to restrict suppressors and stocks on handguns which actively make them less concealable.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nothing. It was a “compromise” in 1934 that said barrels less than 16” with a stock are illegal or subject to the NFA. The “compromise” was they wanted to ban all guns (or at least all handguns) because of mafia crime and bootlegging, which wouldn’t have existed in the first place if they didn’t ban alcohol.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you're saying the (proto)ATF fucked up, double down on the fuckup, and are using said fuckups to continue trampling our rights?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Pretty much. It was actually Congress that fucked up (twice) then the ATF continues to double down on those fuck ups

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you portraying the ATF as the good guys younfed groid?

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    *ahem*
    FUCK PIGS
    KILL AN ATFIGGER TONIGHT

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why bother making this thread when its the first result you see? ATF plainly tells you you MUST destroy the brace or firearm it was attached to if you arent going SBR paperwork or full rifle in literally the very first google search result for the brace rule. Presumably the (or alter) part refers to their retarded stat sheet breakdown about how stock-like braces are allowed to be, suggesting you could remove or add features that bring it more in line with what they think you're allowed to own, like the Velcro straps. Braces as we know them now are effectively banned across the board, with very little ambiguity from their wording.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You didn't read the rule

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Okay, so I know the ATF considers pistol braces to be stocks now.
    Literally wrong within the first sentence of your post. I swear to god no one on this fucking board READ THE FUCKING GOD DAMN RULE. HOLY FUCK. I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT ANYMORE
    YOU'RE ALL SO FUCKING RETARDED

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't give a fuck about the feds, and the feds don't give a fuck about me. As long as nobody is getting killed and everybody pays their taxes, nobody gives a shit about anything.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who needs a pistol brace anyways? I masturbate so much with my right arm my body acts as the brace.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm just going to put good stocks on the pistols now. Come at me bro.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’m still waiting for this clarification from someone- like should I be going and buying a bunch of stocks for PCCs so that I can register them as SBRs for free? (Obviously only until a test case goes through and blows open the NFA)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do not register anything. Atf cannot make law. Even if it were passed by Congress and the president himself signed it to be illegal, I still would NOT comply.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don’t register anything you house moron

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        buying a stock and slapping it on a PCC wouldn't get you a free stamp, it would get you a felony. If you had a BRACE on a short barreled pistol and you did this BEFORE Jan 13 (you did it before then, right? RIGHT? and there isn't a receipt for the brace after the 13th or a transfer or a serialized part for your setup after the 13th RIGHT?!?) then you can apply for your free stamp. People need to be careful though, this isn't a free for all for free SBR stamps, don't inadvertently make yourself a felon.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and there isn't a receipt for the brace after the 13th
          Just like, make a shitty brace. 3d print one. Bend some coathanger. No way to prove a date.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You have until the law enters the federal register, not the date it was finalized.

          Media are saying within the week, you still have a few hours or days to get your shit together.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            my bad, confused "submitted to the federal register" and "enters the federal register". ATF already seems to be using the 13th as the date though, when I started my form one they used the 13th as the date it had to have been in my trust (it was prior to that anyway).

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any reason why I can't get a stamp on this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, the PS90 is not a pistol so shortening it to an SBR doesn't qualify for the amnesty on braced pistols.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Pursuant to ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F, the Attorney General has authorized certain persons tax-exempt registration of firearms they own or possess at the publication of the rule that are: 1) equipped with a stabilizing brace; 2) meet the definition of "rifle" under federal law; and 3) have a barrel or barrels less than sixteen (16) inches in length.

        Being a pistol has nothing to do with it. In fact, that's the opposite of what they claim to want. It's a three part test, and being a rifle, not a pistol, is what matters.

        It is equipped with a brace, meets the definition of a rifle, and has a barrel of 16 inches.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That might actually work then. I thought it was only for configurations previously thought to be legal before the new rules, but by that wording the PS90 should qualify as long as you chop the barrel to meet being less than 16".

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I went ahead and submitted it. I only entered a picture of the SN (never sent a picture for ANY NFA item before, even form 1 cans, and I always paid my good boy tax). No reason you can't attach a brace to a ps90. It might be useless, but that wasnt part of the criteria. I have a tailhook I'm sure I could figure out how to slide on too.

            Wish I could find my fingerprint pad and I would have done electronic submission for that. Oh well.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's not going to qualify if you don't shorten the barrel first. It can't be an SBR without the SB. You can't just get 16" rifles approved as SBRs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We will see. I expect then to kick it back just based on the model.

                I'll 3d print ten billion lowers. Fuck it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              can't just be images of fingerprints you collect, has to be an EFT file. There's more to it than the fingerprint minutia, has additional data and is encrypted

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, I've only ever sent in paper fingerprints.

                I don't expect it to work but its worth a try. Unless you are knowingly lying on a form it's hardly a problem. I'm just being maliciously compliant.

                good luck. the amnesty is only for SBRs (under the new definition) that were SBRs BECAUSE they were made from pistols with braces or sold as braced pistols. If you admit to having a rifle that you shortened (ATF rule is "once a rifle, always a rifle") and then happened to have slapped a brace on it you created an illegal SBR and have now admitted to such. That's a good way to get V&

                Mostly hoping it just slides through an examiner who isnt paying attention. Not like anyone will ever check or see it after it is approved or denied.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fingerprints
                Some UPS stores can make EFT files for you, go on printscan.com and see if there's a location with a kiosk near you. Have to pay online then show up at the UPS store and scan the QR code they email you to start it. Make sure you fill out all the info online correctly as it all ends up encrypted into the file so don't put a bunch of meme or bullshit info in there. Some Sheriff's departments or jails will be cool and create one for you for free (it's like $60 for UPS store) so you can try calling them first too. All else fails you can still submit paper cards but that's a pain in the ass and once you have an EFT file you can reuse it with all future filings you do.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Mostly hoping it just slides through an examiner who isnt paying attention. Not like anyone will ever check or see it after it is approved or denied.

                Probably will be just denied and you'll be fine but I wouldn't want to invite that sort of scrutiny. Good luck anon, enjoy you're new SB PS90 if you succeed!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He didn't even chop the barrel so it's still a perfectly legal 16" rife with a brace taped to it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We will see, I have no idea what the turnaround is.

                If I cared that much about this ps90 I would have SBR'd it long ago so i don't really care about the wait. The main thing is i didn't want to alter it in case I ever sold it. I like the gun, I just don't shoot it much, and my keltec pmr took the same role away from it, so I always figured if I was hard up for $1500 this would be the first thing I sold. Reloading 5.7 is a pain anyway.

                Worse come to worse, just SBR as a manufacturer, put your own serial on it, and claim ignorance in the 0% change anyone ever asked you about it. Yessiree, that's a parts gun, officer, with my own model number and designations.

                NFA shit has always been honor system bullshit anyway in the form one world. Think of all the people with "illegal" sbrs that just don't know the rules. How many even get questioned unless they shoot up a gas station?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          good luck. the amnesty is only for SBRs (under the new definition) that were SBRs BECAUSE they were made from pistols with braces or sold as braced pistols. If you admit to having a rifle that you shortened (ATF rule is "once a rifle, always a rifle") and then happened to have slapped a brace on it you created an illegal SBR and have now admitted to such. That's a good way to get V&

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      a) barrel is too long
      b) not a pistol, you bought it as a rifle and the ATF rules are "once a rifle, always a rifle"

      creative attempt though anon

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I recently made a ruling that I dont follow ATF rulings

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you were planning to make legal SBR's at some point it's a no brainer to do it for free. The amnesty brace guns don't even need to be engraved, so if you ever wanted to change it back to a pistol and sell it it won't have someone's name or trust on it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >amnesty brace guns don't even need to be engraved
      Wait, really?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no, he's wrong, once approved you'll need to engrave it. not like anyone's going to show up at your house to look but then no one was showing up at your house to see if you had a brace or stock either. If you're going to be legally compliant you need to engrave once approved.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no, he's wrong, once approved you'll need to engrave it. not like anyone's going to show up at your house to look but then no one was showing up at your house to see if you had a brace or stock either. If you're going to be legally compliant you need to engrave once approved.

        There's an exception for these unless it's a gun that started without any markings.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Soooo, might as well just coathanger brace every pistol I own?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They say a pic is required but only specify a pic of the current engraving on the forms, so you might not even need to show a brace at all.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So if they don't need to be engraved just make a shitty coathanger brace for every handgun you own so you can put a stock on it later if you feel like it?

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >not charged with constructive possession
    >Florida man arrested for constructive possession
    …?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why is it always some asshole in Florida?

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >SBRs become so commonplace that everyone has them
    >Fudds at the range don't even ask for papers any more since they can't powertrip on it any more since they're so common
    >For the 1/100 Fudd that demqnds to look at it you can just shoop a document to get them to walk away and mind thier own business
    Lol. Lmao even.

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