Bought a gun without a safety. I wanted a safety but this one didnt have one.

Bought a gun without a safety. I wanted a safety but this one didnt have one. In fact none of the guns I looked at had safeties so I'm assuming the gun market is all hardcore tough guys. I plan to concealed carry but Ive never owned a gun before. Is it safe as a noob to be carrying a gun without a safety? How are you ever supposed to feel comfortable sitting down with a gun with no safety pointed at your dick

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you have a holster, it prevents the trigger from being pulled.

    also the p365, shield/shield plus, hellcat all have models with safeties. what guns were you looking at?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      None of the guns I wanted had safeties but I could have been looking at the site wrong, either way still needs a safety

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it only needs a safety if you have nothing protecting your trigger (read: a holster) and you like messing with the trigger while it's pointed at you. guns going off without the trigger being pulled is extremely rare and represents a malfunctioning firearm that has bypassed multiple safeties

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What if Im holstering and it gets caught on my pants or something. No one is 100% perfect. This is why a safety is necessary

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            that is why you look down at your holster. if you're holstering, it means a fight is over. make sure its clear before you put the gun back. you can take your time at that point.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Ok cool I feel a bit better now, not familiar with holsters and whatnot still seems dangerous

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it's about as dangerous as anything else. take a folding pocket knife for example; you wouldn't put it back into your pocket with the blade deployed. likewise you should make sure the holster is clear when you reholster your gun. practice, practice, practice.

                if you absolutely want a safety, then you're going to have to buy a gun that has one. once you feel confident enough to not need it, you can just leave it disengaged when carrying or on some models, remove it completely.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Get a kydex holster. MK-TEK makes a shitload of them. You'll understand why a safety is a moot point when it's physically impossible for any material to even touch the trigger unless you're spinning your guns like a metal gear character. The only time a safety is relevant on a tiny pistol is when pocket carrying without a holster, which you'll see thousands of people do with safetyless revolvers relying solely on a heavy trigger and no exposed hammer

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >and it gets caught on my pants or something.

            please try and do this with a cleared gun, see how improbable that is.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Bought a gun without a safety
              Big mistake moron

              Webm related

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >he needs a safety to keep him from hurting himself while acting irresponsibly
                Are you even of drinking age, boy?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Posting a SIG video
                lmao way to nullify your own argument

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What happened here? Did his fat folds pull the trigger for him when he bend over?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If I remember correctly, it was a Glock that he put a race trigger on and he got his undershirt stuck in the holster and wasn’t watching as he reholstered.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The dog got scared 🙁

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Where will she apply that tourniquet?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This is actually not wrong.

            There are three purposes to safety mechanisms.

            1. Gun only fires when trigger is pulled
            2. Preventing anything happening when holstering (more relevant with non kydex holsters)
            3. Handling the primary sear breaking without the gun going off.

            Arguably also:
            4. Manual safety can be used to compensate for a trigger under 5.5 lb.

            I think that is just a cultural thing though and not important. A glock with a 3.5 lb trigger is perfectly safe.

            Anyways everyone agrees on 1 and 3 which is why modern guns have a half wiener or a partially charged striker or that weird cage on the sigger, and a firing pin block (except 1911s whichbare just tuned not to overcome spring pressure) and locks the trigger so the FPB actually works except siggers and 1911s which are just tuned to not overcome spring tension on a heel strike which is why SIG had those issues.

            In most designs you have either a trigger safety OR a manual safety to prevent it going off when dropped on the heel (altho it probably would not anyway)

            Someone did die from a USPSA CZ with no FPB being manually dewienered and dropped because that is the absolute most dangerous condition for that gun to be in.

            2 you can take or leave there is some amount of glock leg in the world but most of it is soft or push button holsters that you should never buy.

            Still personally my dream gun is the Hudson H9 with both trigger and manual safeties installed.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I think the rules are this:
              1. Do not change the springs or firing pin or anything to do with that mechanism on a gun that doesnt have a half wiener or equivalent, a FPB, and a trigger arresting mechanism. So no custom trigger on your Shadow compact. I hate that gun.
              2. Do not use a non plastic holster without a manual safety. I actually break this rule for ankle holsters but it seems fine with my gun/holster combo and the gun is pointed at the floor when drawing it.
              3.do not carry a loaded TT or Colt pocket hammerless people have fricking died.
              4. Frick USPSA boomers

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >So no custom trigger on your Shadow compact.
                Is the Shadow Compact not like other 75 actions? As in, when you hit the dewienerer, the hammer drops to "quarter" wienered on a safety notch to keep the hammer off the firing pin? Obviously a firing pin would be safer, but shit man, I am not worried about that hammer in quarter wienered. That take up is LONG.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What do you mean "other 75 actions?" Unless it is a BD version, there is no dewienerer on most 75 actions, just a safety. You either manually drop the hammer to half wiener, or you carry wienered and locked.

                In either case, they removed the firing pin block on the Shadow 2 and Shadow compact, so neither is really safe for carry.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I mean like the p07. I assumed most 75 actions were like that, but I guess only the BDs are, so my mistake.

                The reason I don't care so much about a firing pin block on a half wiener is that, barring shit breaking, I can drop a p07 on the hammer in half wiener and it's not moving, even on concrete. But I also don't know if the Shadow 2 compacts are typically carried in half wiener, or people only run it with safety engaged.

                TL;DR: I'd carry a p07 in half wiener without a firing pin block.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You'd be relying on the sear to not break, which is fricking dumb since sears break all the time when dropped onto the hammer. A FPB keeps the gun from going bang and has zero downsides.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't the half wiener protect you from that. The bigger issue is that without a FPB it can just inertially fire without the hammer I think.

                I would not carry a gun that doesnt have a functioning FPB and a means of arresting the trigger in any case.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Half wiener is a sear dipshit. Do you know anything about how guns work?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The half wiener is another sear where it'll catch if the first sear disconnects but the trigger has not been pulled.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I dont think that case was a sear breaking i think it was an inertial discharge from the gun falling on the heel OR hammer either one.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You'd be relying on the sear to not break
                Oh no, the hammer travels all of 1mm and fails to ignite the primer. Like I said, barring you literally hammering on the motherfricker to snap the half wiener notch off, half wiener is fine.

                I'm not deleting the FPB off my pistol, but come on man. Do you concern troll this hard for all the people conceal carrying C2s, which are series 70?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It has no FPB so it could inertially fire without the trigger being pulled even with the safety on. Especially if dewienered.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This is why a safety is necessary
            A manual safety is literally NEVER "necessary," you twat. Grow up.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Dewienered hammer fired gun or Glock with SCD are the correct answers to this legitimate safety concern

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            imo I prefer a safety for CC, however I don't think it's a deal breaker. If you don't want to get another gun, I'd just carry without one in the chamber until you're confident enough in your holster and holstering technique to be comfortable carrying without one.
            >inb4 hurr carrying without one in the chamber
            just until he's comfortable with a loaded gun with no safety and carrying a loaded gun without one in the chamber is better than no gun because he's afraid of glocking himself.

            Although overall I'd just recommend getting another gun that has a safety, once you get used to a safety it's not an issue to remember disengaging it, you can practice that in dry fire without going to the range. Just make sure to not get lazy with live fire or dry fire and always engage/disengage the safety when presenting or finishing a string of shots.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Guns maybe arent for you. Youre too goddamn moronic. Get some spray or something safer so you cant hurt yourself

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Conversely, what happens if you draw your gun to use it in an actual life or death situation and in the heat of the moment forget to take your safety off?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              99.9% of the time I wont be shooting. Therefore I want it off 99.9% of the time. Simple

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >carry a gun your whole life for the off chance that MAYBE you might need it to work for literally just 1-5 seconds, ever. Practice, train, buy accessories, keep ammo reserves, perform basic maintenance, etc., just so your gun can work for the one second of your whole fricking life you need it to work.
                >decide its better your gun be inoperable during that time because muh icky feelings

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If you're practicing and training correctly you should have no problem disengaging a manual safety. This is why people who are anti-safety are moronic or at least lying about how much they practice, see

                >I don't see any reason not to have a safety.
                because I'm an elite weapon specialist who would NEVER flag myself, put the my finger on the trigger early or let anything get in my holster. But a safety is dangerous because I might forget to disengage it!

                >inb4 well I can't practice often
                you can practice disengaging the safety with dry fire which is free. Spend 15 minutes a week practicing your draw with dry fire and you're gtg.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'll also point out the AR-15, which all of you gays love for HD, also has a manual safety...

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                why are you pointing out the AR specifically when pretty much every rifle or shotgun has a safety?

                you sound like you don't own guns and just go on /k/ to get into stupid arguments.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                because that's the gun everyone recommends for home defense right now, yet none of you gays b***h about it having a safety, that's why I singled it out as an example you moron.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                also

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you really dont need to timestamp when its a pump and a 300 dollar pistol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the standard no gunz cope response is to call them airsoft ya know.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >d-don't s-show them my b-barrel, anon~

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >poor moron makes dumb thread about how there's no point in buying quality shotguns
                >also buys the cheapest carry pistol on the market with a manual safety and says how it's necessary
                Damn color me shocked, newguns and/or poor is a moron.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                all this coping is hilarious
                I’m pretty sure the shield isn’t even the cheapest carry gun with a safety.
                >inb4 the Walther doesn’t have a safety
                I don’t carry it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it's really quite a shame how much this board's deteriorated. Used to when someone called you nogunz, you'd both post guns and just agree to disagree as haz gunz with different opinions on something. Now nogunz call you nogunz and never post their own and come up with all kinds of crazy accusations as to why the guns you posted aren't real, aren't expensive enough or you haven't owned them long enough.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Used to

                no it didn't shut up. calling noguns has always been a non-sequitur.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >in the heat of the moment forget to take your safety off?

              i do not make mistakes of that kind.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So you a person with basically zero gun experience, and none conceal carrying are sure that everyone else in the industry is wrong. People with decades of experience, companies with millions of data points. All wrong. You right.......

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Let me try and break this comment down.

      >Bought a gun without a safety. I wanted a safety but this one didnt have one. In fact none of the guns I looked at had safeties.
      I'm sorry you couldn't find what you wanted. There are many gun designs but shops usually only carry what they sell the most, next time try a different shop or shop for a gun online and have it shipped to your FFL.

      >Is it safe as a noob to be carrying a gun without a safety?
      Yes, get a holster that covers the trigger to prevent it from being pulled, a high quality holster will also have good retention to prevent the gun from falling out of it. Negligent discharges can be prevented by following the rules of gun safety.

      >How are you ever supposed to feel comfortable sitting down with a gun with no safety pointed at your dick?
      Some people appendix carry because it has the fastest draw, I don't like it so I recommend that if you dislike appendix as much as I do then carry your gun on your side (also inside the waistband). You'll take a bit longer to pull out your gun but the difference will be less than a second.

      >all have models with safeties. what guns were you looking at?
      Yes they exist but they might not have been in stock when he went to the store.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Some people appendix carry because it has the fastest draw
        I'm not even sure this is true if you use your off hand to clear the garment, like people do with appendix, while carrying on the hip.
        Also personally I find it much easier to get a good grip carrying on the hip as opposed to appendix and I also don't like having a loaded gun pointed at my dick, even if it's in a holster with a safety.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but yeah people mostly carry appendix because it's easier to conceal and control there. It's pretty obvious if someone's going for your junk; you will see it coming and you have hands and legs in ready position at almost all times.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm not even sure this is true
          Even Massad Ayoob who carries on the hip like the two of us admits that appendix is faster. I'll believe the competition shooter and firearms instructor even if he's an old dinosaur https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPtW4nCTf8I

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not op but I do not feel comfortable with the gun aiming at my dick even though I am a safety nut. Just can't do it mentally.
        However, I can't side carry because it bulges too much.
        What is my next best option? I was thinking on my back hip?

        I want to be able to wear tighter clothes and carry, because my shirts and pants are usually tight. Side is too bulgy and pops out and can't really sit comfortably. Appendix maybe in the future, but really it's just my back correct?
        And if somewhere formal wearing suits or dress clothes, maybe a small gun and a harness James Bond style

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Your option is to quit being a fricking pussy

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You sound like a homosexual.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I do not feel comfortable with the gun aiming at my dick
          same here. Most of the time I carry OWB but I live where that isn't going to be a big deal.If I need to carry where it will be a big deal, I use something like this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >What is my next best option? I was thinking on my back hip?
          You can place it on your hip, the side of your body, as people have been doing with weapons since the ancient period. Don't put the gun on your lower back, thats where your sciatic nerves and spine are, one bad fall and you'll get an injury thats permanent.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Appendix carry revolver

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >No appendix carry
          >No hip carry
          >I want to be able to wear tighter clothes
          Shove it up your ass. Lmao homosexual

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You could try double action / single action
    With a DA/SA you keep the hammer down and the chamber loaded, and the first shot has a heavier trigger pull. No unnecessary extra steps like a manual safety, but your first trigger pull is almost impossible to do by accident

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Most of the small micro-compacts that have manual safeties have really shitty small ones that are easily missed by your thumb under stress (i.e. a defensive shooting). The only micro-compacts with good manual safeties are the S&W CSX and unironically the Equalizer. There are other ways to skin the cat if you're worried about carrying a gun without a manual safety like mentioned, something like a DA/SA or LEM gun or a Revolver might be more your speed. You can block the hammer with your thumb while re-holstering and the heavier, longer trigger would give you peace of mind. And no, I do not recommend carrying without a round in the chamber, just get a different gun.

      >he needs a safety to keep him from hurting himself while acting irresponsibly
      Are you even of drinking age, boy?

      What was irresponsible?

      >Posting a SIG video
      lmao way to nullify your own argument

      It was a Glock in a kydex holster

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Now that I think about it, an Equalizer might be a great "first gun" for OP.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Same shit tbh
        Striker fired guns are unsafe in practice and in theory. They only have a market because they're cheaper than superior DA/SA

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think they're unsafe per se, and especially not in a duty holster on a belt for LE/MIL use. I just get a little spooked out IWB carrying them on a day-to-day basis so I can empathize with OP. It's a personal problem but I'd rather focus on guns I know I will carry than try to force myself to do something I have a phobia about. I think an Equalizer would be good for OP. Two external safeties, consistent and relatively light trigger, chambered in cheap and plentiful 9mm. Easy to clean and easy to manipulate.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have two important pieces of advice for you anon.

    buy a hard holster that completely obscures the trigger guard (as in you can’t even poke a stick into the trigger guard while the gun is holstered)

    and

    assuming this would be your concealed carry (CC) in waist band (IWB) gun, ALWAYS place and remove the gun IN THE HOLSTER from your waistband assuming it’s loaded and has no safety.

    placing and removing the gun into / from the holster is for actual self defense scenarios, dry fire practice, and when holster and gun are outside of your person (not in your waistband)

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This switch from hating safeties to demanding them is so silly on /k/, all of it stems from mistrust in technology which im sure you see as a chad-like belief

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >all of it stems from mistrust in technology
      nah /k/ is just a bunch of contrarians with random opinions that on occasion are correct by pure chance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >which im sure you see as a chad-like-ACKK

      >Bought a gun without a safety
      Big mistake moron

      Webm related

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Assuming (big if here) that it was a shirt caught in his trigger guard upon reholstring, the Glock striker control device would have clued him into that. There was a reason that Walther had the striker push out the back plate on their PPS upon trigger activation, and I wish more striker designs used it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The moron didn't even have a holster, he just tucked it into his waist

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            He had a G-Code kydex holster very similar to the holster you likely have

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can see him throw the gun on the floor, then the holster.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I (jacket) pocket carry a Glock. Literally pointed right at my peanor / femoral artery.
    You're a pussy

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's why I CCW a Makarov.
    You can't get much safer than that.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good holster and not putting your finger on the trigger and not being a 320 makes it very safe

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >how are you ever supposed to feel comfortable sitting down with a gun pointed at your dick
    you don't? no one shoves a gun in their pants because its comfortable...

    that being said i still prefer a safety. my edc doesnt live in a holster all the time. grip training to subsonciously engage the safety on draw eliminates the whiners complaining that it could *potentially* add microdickseconds of time between drawing and firing, which is just bullshit. People rock no safeties only because glock normalized it and every manufacturer today is too afraid to not make anything but a perfect glock clone.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's a long winded way of saying you're a giant pussy

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How are you ever supposed to feel comfortable sitting down with a gun with no safety pointed at your dick
    The same way you get comfortable driving a car at 60 mph with no seatbelt while another car is going 60 mph in the opposite direction only 2 feet over, except you're driving both cars.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone have any experiences with these FN Reflexes? They look kinda neat. I know its just another micro 9 but still

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I want one as well. Seems like a decent option but I think it just came a bit too late so not many people are buying.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've been carrying for 12+ years and I don't see any reason not to have a safety. The gun community isn't that intelligent, you can sell them anything really. If a company wants to save money and machine time not putting on safeties, they'll shill it to these morons as a feature and they'll eat that shit up.

    You should've gotten the FNS9 which is basically the same thing but with a safety, or an M&P9.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh wait, didn't realize that was the Reflex and not a fullsize, because the Reflex is frickhuge. The P365 has a safety, Hellcat does too but it's improperly placed and you can barely reach it. Ruger is a joke, and the M&P shield plus isn't really competitively sized. We still need better options in the microcompact segment.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >We still need better options in the microcompact segment.
        You mean the micopenis crowd does?
        Shoot a full size gun you gays.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        P365’s safety looks like it would be good but if you handle it in person it’s actually thin and slippery so not good. Equalizer is best safety-equipped micro compact

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't see any reason not to have a safety.
      because I'm an elite weapon specialist who would NEVER flag myself, put the my finger on the trigger early or let anything get in my holster. But a safety is dangerous because I might forget to disengage it!

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    my CCWs don't have safeties because I'm not a tough guy. I'm a scared little pissant that's afraid I wont remember to disengage the safety under stress.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is the real reason why. I don't want a safety because it's one additional point of failure that I might frick up under stress, and I've drawn and fired thousands of times with pistols that don't have them. If I got one today and started carrying it, I know I would have a half second of wondering why my trigger was so heavy/dead before one of Obama's sons ran me through with a knife.
      Plus with little manlet hands I literally can't reach the safety on most pistols. I can't reach the safety on my Beretta without using thin grips, and even then I can just barely flip it and have to break my grip pretty badly to re-engage it.
      But it really is mostly the first thing, I'm just old and set in my ways

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A) Dont buy a gun
    B) Buy a gun and immediately have a nice day with it

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You dont need a safety if you are a cop or gang member. But since I am civilized I want a safety

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Use a trigger lock or don’t carry. Simple as.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    never ever carry a gun with a round in the chamber. never. listen to me and you will be fine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Israeli carry only exists because Israel doesn't trust its troops to have common sense, same goes for the military police of the US military.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Conscripts, it honestly makes sense, like anyone in the US who has worked with guardsmen or reservists, who weren't post active duty knows how bad weekend warriors are.

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