>boss refers me to side job that is too small for him
>i do job
>homeowners are very pleased
>they recommend me to their friends
>their friends have a medium sized job for me
>tell boss about it just making conversation
>he demands i give him a kickback if i do the job despite him having no involvement aside from referring me to do the original job for the first customer
Fricking boomers. I just learnt a good lesson about never telling boomers any more than you have to
Loose lips sink ships muthafricka.
>tell boss about it just making conversation
fricking zoomers with zero comprehension of how relationships work
actually, the boss sucks for not jokingly asking for a cut.
I worked for an butthole one time who had a particular carpenter he subbed for jobs bigger than our painting company could handle. So one job involves rebuilding an entire deck, and the carpenter was way short of work so he bids really low and tells my boss that, and how much he needs the job. My butthole of a boss bid big as hell thinking he could make a bundle. Somehow the carpenter runs into the client, and gets the lowdown. Well, we never found a replacement as good as that one who never wanted to hear from us again. Of course my boss couldn't begin to see what he had done wrong, and thought the carpenter was a jerk for talking to the client.
(was I supposed to green arrow every line in that blog lol)
Should i just not have told him about it? Is that what you're implying? I kinda realise that now.
My 'boss' and I have a strange relationship where he doesn't give me full time work so when i'm not working for him i'm usually just doing my own jobs or working for other people. I feel like the unspoken agreement is that he doesn't give me full time work so i'm not beholden to him or anything. Idk man boomers are kinda fricked in the head, any time money is involved those frickers get weird
>I feel like the unspoken agreement is
fricking zoomers with zero comprehension of how unspoken agreements work
PRO TIP: Always test out statements like that about "agreements" orvthat begin with "I feel like..." by adding ", your honor" at the end to see how it sounds.
>Should i just not have told him about it? Is that what you're implying? I kinda realise that now.
Yes. Play your cards close to the vest. Default should be a closed piehole. Now you learned a very good lesson.
THERE ARE NO UNWRITTEN AGREEMENTS.
I worked for an butthole one time who had a particular carpenter he subbed for jobs bigger than our painting company could handle. So one job involves rebuilding an entire deck, and the carpenter was way short of work so he bids really low and tells my boss that, and how much he needs the job. My butthole of a boss bid big as hell thinking he could make a bundle. Somehow the carpenter runs into the client, and gets the lowdown. Well, we never found a replacement as good as that one who never wanted to hear from us again. Of course my boss couldn't begin to see what he had done wrong, and thought the carpenter was a jerk for talking to the client.
I’m lost. Why did the client go with the more expensive option?
Who knows why clients do anything? Some people think they get better results by throwing more money at the issue or product.
I think that anon is saying the company owner was trying to skim a bunch of profit between the deck builder and customer.
The carpenter gave his low price to the painting contractor, who then added on a bunch of money before giving it to the client. The carpenter was a sub contractor to the painter
Ahhhh. Ok. I get it now. Thanks anon.
I understand now why wagies always only ever talk about their wife and kids or how the weather is and nothing else.
>wagies always only ever talk about their wife and kids or how the weather is
Or my friend who cannot put two sentences together unless it's about the sports teams for the university he attended for one semester, or his two stepsons who terrorize him.
He's just weak and stupid.
Tell him to go frick himself OP, you don't owe him shit.
this
in my day this was an invitation to a fist fight, OP you should have punched him in the mouth
liar
people always say thanks and people always want a reward
I'll talk to my boss about side jobs but never about who the people are. It's my business. I will tell my boss however if it's a customer he'll talk to again, since he'll find out later anyways. He's even given me a side job once since he won't work for family. homosexual tried to set my rates for me though.
>since he won't work for family
typical contractor knows he's fricking over his customers
Or...contractors also know that customers will have ZERO qualms about fricking them over in a heartbeat if it benefits them, and family members are even more brazen about fricking over family members than they are of doing it to unrelated people who cant be guilted into letting it go for the sake of "family unity".
That's coincidentally why knee jerk advertising appeals about "We"re a family owned business" and "we treat you like family" and employers who refer to their employees as "family" are a huge red flag to anyone with a lick of sense.
Family members frick each other over and harbor animosities that span generations all the time and it's a given that you are more likely to be murdered by a family member (13.3% of known perpetrators in 2019) than a stranger (9.9%).
did your uncle touch you when you were younger anon?
Don't worry Jimmy, you'll understand it when you grow up and do things like having a job and contracting for services.
>he demands i give him a kickback if i do the job
Just tell him no, and that you won't ever tell him about other jobs in the future if he's going to be a c**t demanding a cut. If you're good at what you do, you're either better to go off on your own and your boss will regret firing you, or he'll shut his trap next time. I ran my friend's business for 2 months while he was overseas, and I had to say to him that me giving him a cut for not actually doing anything is akin to paying tax (they're mostly cash jobs) and isn't worth going out of my way to help him
I agree, but half the time its because customers are fricking morons that have 0 expertise outside of their very narrow field. This usually applies to white collars who think everything can be done with little effort since all they do is type for a living.
He's worried you will start your own business and take his clients which is exactly what you should do after he asked for a cut. Had he not asked you should still do the same but dont poach his clients.
>dont poach his clients
Nah, too late now. El Jefe tried to extort a cut for a job for which he was not an intermediary. The NAP has been violated. No holds barred from that point forward.
Your money is your business, don't make it somebody else's. As for the kickback, buy him a coffee.
>As for the kickback, buy him a coffee
Or go full tilt and give him a penny.
It's tempting to do something like this but you shouldn't shit on somebody you work for, even if you're ready to walk and do something else. You never know down the line if you might end up working for or with them again. Through sub contract or sharing a job site or whatever. At the same time you don't just b***h up and hand over money. Buy the dude lunch or something, if you're friendly with the guy maybe buy him a nice bottle of liquor, but if he wants money from the side job tell him he should take it himself.
So how do you find sidework if someone doesn't refer you? I checked craigslist gigs but it's totally dead compared to years ago.
I shake my moneymaker for the hustle, baby. Business cards left on doorsteps.
I've gotten jobs many ways, family friends, neighbors, referrals from neighbors, from customers my friends worked for, and yes from past clients my boss initially got. Now I just estimated a job for a guy who lives next door to a job I worked with my boss on. It's all networking. Be as friendly and decent as possible and people will want to work with you. I've never advertised and I just keep working more side jobs year by year. It feels like luck.
just kick him in the back like he's asking for
Bros I've had 3 good different invention ideas come to me in different dreams over the past few months. One has unfortunately already been invented. The other is really practical and I don't think would be possible in a mechanical sense. And the last is a great idea and would be a useful tool, but I can't quite figure out some important finishing touches of how to make it work. How can I talk about this and work together with someone to make it a reality without some butthole stealing my idea?
Talk to an attorney and get some serious ‘you frick me over and I’ll own your ass’ paperwork written up. Otherwise some WILL steal your idea if it is actually worth serious money.
I'm going to make you a list of people you could run your ideas by.
1. Some white males
2. No one else
Frick jannies
The hardest thing would be defending your patent in court. That's more lawyer fees and court costs, but if you don't defend it you can lose your right to defend it.
That's a life lesson for you moron LOL. Never give away information for free people will use it against you whenever they can
you better not give him one fricking penny. FRICK BOOMERS. they will take every single cent they can get their grubby hands on for no reason except they think they deserve it over us. they've "put their time in".
boomers need to retire and get the frick out of our way or die
boomers treat you like a silly person because you are a silly person.
I’m a contractor and kickbacks are a case by case basis. Depending on how you got the job and what the outcome was for you.
I usually don’t send back more than 5%. Really just depends on how much you feel like you owe the guy and if you think he will keep sending you work.
If it’s less than $2k I would not give the guy shit. But if it’s $5k or more I would give the guy maybe 5%. Just don’t keep doing it, kickbacks are a once in a while thing
I can agree with this. Also don't give them any money if they ask for it first cause it'll make them ask for more money more frequently.
OP here, I have no problem with kickbacks if the person directly referred me the job and I actually make decent money on it. But the job in question was a referral from a previous customer, my 'boss' had nothing to do with it.
Also the same boss has gotten me jobs where I'm maybe netting like $200-300 at the end of the day (usually just small repair jobs that only take a half day or so) and then demanded kickbacks from these jobs. It'd mean I'm only making like $150 a day for the work.
Usually I just ignore it and say 'yeah I'll get you some money soon' or whatever and never do it. Seems weak but my boss has anger/control issues so it's easier than saying 'frick you boomer, I don't owe you shit' and jeopardizing my job.
life's too short to work for a shitty boss
By $5k do you mean $5k as a total cost of the job (that the customer pays) or $5k profits that you make at the end?
Agree on a percentage, then do the job at a loss, and insist he make his good on his cut.
Don't ever do extra work, ever. That's the only lesson I've learned. Chasing the carrot at the end of the stick when boss man forgets your broken back. Frick 'em. Demand correct pay up front, they will never compensate you for good deeds that they half-remember.
Start telling him to pay you for each job he refers to you, you're doing him a favor when you take those after all.
you got skill, you got customers, it's time to ditch your boomer boss and go indie.
>mfw your boss wants to be your pimp