Boiling water as a local heater?

Okay so Autumn is upon us and soon enough houses will need to be heated.
I live in southern Europe and it definitely gets cold but it's not like temperatures drop to ungodly degrees. I don't have AC, or a fireplace, every year all I do is have a small electrical heater by my desk(plus some residual heat from having the PC running all day + cooking) and that works out just fine but still, the heater alone almost doubles my electrical bill in the winter months.
This year I'm working from home meaning I'm gonna use even more energy in general and will definitely require more heating for longer periods so I wanted to experiment with alternatives.

I was wondering if heating up water and basically using that has my local space heater could be viable. I find that when I have a electric heater it's all too easy to press the button to turn it on even if I don't necessarily need it because it's extra cozy so having to heat water would force me to be a lot more intentional and aware of when I'm using extra heat. Oh and my stove runs on butane which is relatively cheap(way way cheaper than electricity) so it's not like heating water would become too much of an expense. And of course during really bad days or when I'm getting out of the shower or something I could still rely on the electrical heater if I really had to, the idea is just to cut down hard on its use.

Thoughts? Is it too much of an impractical idea? My question to PrepHole then would be what would be the best container to store boiling water that I could have by my feet while I'm at the desk?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know that bag that cartoon characters put on their head when they're sick? that's what those are.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I was thinking something that would be larger so it could hold more water that would last longer and wouldn't be too much of a pain transferring the water from the pan to it back and forth. That sounds like a pain to pour the water into, would probably need a funnel or something.

      Hell maybe just having a pan by my feet would work fine?

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just use an electric blanket. space heaters are 100% efficient (Every bit of power you put in gets turned to heat.) so the question then is how do you keep the heat just around your feet. Boiling water is dumb, Consider an electric blanket or look west and take the mocc pill.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >space heaters are 100% efficient (Every bit of power you put in gets turned to heat.)
      actually that makes it 0% efficient

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        if it was a lightbulb?, yeah
        heat is the desired output

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          All the light is turned into heat energy about 1 nanosecond after being emitted from the bulb moron, except it spreads that energy around the room equally so it's arguably more efficient.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            He means if it was a lightbulb which produced nothing but low grade heat, it would be 0% efficient. The efficacy would be 0 Lm/W.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Actually that makes you a moron. The desired energy is thermal, and that's what you get.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Boiling water is dumb
      Idk man maybe it's because it's not very cold right now even though it's the middle of the night but I'm currently testing out my idea with a pan by my feet and it seems surprisingly effective. Maybe it will get old depending on how often I have to reheat it but so far I'm pretty satisfied with this level of warmth.

      Definitely want to invest on some quality slippers and I might give an electric blanket a go. After some research it does look a lot less energy demanding than a classic heater. Thanks for the idea.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >pan of hot water in bed
        >what is a hot water bottle

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      But they're actually not even 100% efficient by your argument since some of that energy is turned into visible light.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ever heard of storage heaters? They heat up ceramic bricks on cheap rate electricity and then the heat escapes slowly as needed.
        Basically, I'm saying you should buy a heat brick and cook it in the oven to heat it up instead of boiling water. Has the same benefits as water but less risk of spill/splash/mold.

        Light turns into heat eventually as it bounces off surfaces. Which heats the space. Making it efficient.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      elecricity requires a turbine and transportation. going from
      fuel -> heat -> movement -> electricity -> (wiring heat losses outside your home) -> heat
      is a lot more inefficient than going simply
      fuel -> heat

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >100%
      Ans heat pumps are more than 100% efficient as they move heat from outside to inside of the house.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Watch this video with respect to "thermal storage"

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    Solutions to your heating problem that take advantage of phase change in material can help reduce heating costs and improve efficiency assuming you also have good insulation. Fwiw, I think boiling some water (and then letting it rest, so as not to continue wasting energy on only creating steam) would probably help. On the whole, you might have a setup that includes intermittent boiling water, parrafin wax, and electric heating.
    As a side note, a good wood stove might help you, too!

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plasma TV ON
    computer ON
    75w lamp bulbs ON
    bed heater ON

    yep its winter time

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It seems your goal is to reduce your power bill cheaply. Your current plan is to make being warm such a pain in the butt that you will only do it when you NEED to. It's an interesting plan but dumb one. Assuming you don't have a fireplace electric heat will be your most efficient option. Electric space heaters spend a good amount of electricity evening the air around you which will drift around the entire room. A heating pad can be placed between your shirt and your jacket or your butt and your chair thus providing all the heat to your body and very little lost to the air.

    Your current boil water method wastes a lot of heat heating up the air around the boiled water same as your space heater and the only real gain of efficiency is how much less often you will use it. Just stick a heating pad on the back of a desk chair and enjoy the warm.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be you
    >only have t-shirts
    >get hard nips in winter
    >don't like having hard nips
    >too cheap to use my electric heater
    >my gas is cheaper than electricity
    >idea: use gas stove to heat up water
    Why don't you just switch on your stove when you need some heating?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gas burners are awfully inefficient at heating up the air as you have to constantly renew the oxygen in the room to sustain combustion. You have to transfer the heat to some mass (like a water pot) but then that mass has to radiate the heat back at you. You would need pipes to pump the water through the stove, and you basically reinvented a boiler / gas furnace.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        you need the same amount of air to combust gas to heat water as you do to just combust gas on its own

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nightcaps and robes worked for centuries. Wear thermal underwear to begin with and quality wool socks with slippers. Sweaters, robes, hats of choice etc all conserve heat. Terrycloth robes are quite comfy.

    If you favor military stuff it's designed for constant use. Quality clothing lasts many years. Get duplicates so you can wear one set while washing others. I do all the above despite not being poor because it works.

    Then work on not being impoverished because starving oneself to prosperity is ineffective. Success is very DIY.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, why don’t you wear more clothes? Wear two pair of socks, long underwear under your pants, shit like that.

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    seal up your house, get a few rugs

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The excess moisture can cause mold issues.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can have the container be enclosed and give off it's stored heat through it's exterior

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      looks bretty cool ngl

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      the mold is coming
      the mold is coming
      the mold is coming
      the mold is coming

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dunno if it was already answered, but heating water as heat source is a terrible idea, (unless you actually colonial house with a wood stove and builtin pipes for that purpose)
    but mainly, you would need to keep a constant heat on the water, as someone who used heat humidifier, it actually has the opposite effect as it makes you house humid and humidity makes things colder
    like for example if you were to go in a sauna wearing clothes, the humidity would soak in the sauna and it warm, but when you left the humidity would make it even colder drying out
    it also poses a higher danger element in the sense that if you keep it boiling constantly you need to refil with water constantly as well, and if you don't you run the risk putting your house on fire

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_water_bottle

    Used to be made from ceramic (gin bottles) but nowadays rubber.

    They’re common for in bed, but if you cover yourself with a blanket and put one or two in there, works fine, used this when heating was out. You fill them with 1L water from the electric kettle. Stays hot for about 3 hours, and then warm for 3 more at 16C room temp. Don’t let your room temp fall below 16C it’s bad for your house

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Boiling water IME is inefficient and doesnt work. So I made a wood stove out of a water heater. But dont want to plumb the chimney. So put it on my porch and the radiant heat you can stand around and get warm and theres no heat loss to the big sliding glass door it sits in front of. Theres heat GAIN. since the glass of the door heats up. and I can make warm food and tea on the top of the wood stove.

    This is much better and can be plumbed through a window. I run it on a lithium battery pack as a portable power station. If I think theres a chance of a winter power out I pull both my shit out.

    But its really about the size of the room. In act of absolute desperation you can throw a blanket over yur head like a tent and burn a candle in your lap or heat hot rocks and drag the rocks inside as a heater. It works in a tent size space.

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thermal siphoning

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I put a cast iron pot full of water and spices/oils/citrus/cedar on the wood stove to increase the humidity in the winter

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry for phoneposting, but you know such thing as butane heater exists, right? Install a splitter before your oven and run a loose hose acroass the floor leading to your room and connect the heater there.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gas powered heaters give off a ton of moisture, no? You'd definitely want one that's designed to be ran indoors and has proper safety features that you don't accidentally gas yourself

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Of course they're designed for indoors. Why would anyone put a heater outdoors? But yes it'll humidify the room, butane burns into CO2 and water vapour.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lots of those are used by icefishers and some campers here

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes but certainly less so than burning gas and also boiling a pot of water

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    just wear warmer clothes bro

  18. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like a recipe to make the inside of your apartment feel gross because it's at like 80% humidity all the time.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      not op but have you guys ever heard of a lid?

  19. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Solar hot water.

  20. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you are going to use electricity then just dump a heating element in the bottom of a huge pot of sand. Dont electrocute yourself. The sand will act as a giant thermal battery and release the heat slowly.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Building sand, metal bucket, set on ceramic tile(to protect floor, to to make a moron candle pot). Going to cost a lot of juice though.

  21. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    go out and find refrigerator/ac junks and get a compressor. make your own heat pump. fricking around with electric heaters is just moronic.

  22. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    A heat pump is 2000$, there are subsidies and it will save you about 70% on heating if you are currently heating electrically.

    On top of that you can use it to keep the moisture indoor down and that makes heating air cheaper. Or use it in summer to cool your place.

  23. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is about to die but I'm in the same zone as OP. By far the best thing you can do is insulate your roof and attic if you have one. Get 2-3 of the mineral wool bales and get to work, very easy to install (but use a mask and eye/hands/arms protection or you'll get cancer). Second best thing, but more expensive, is to install double glazed windows. Just these two thing and you barely won't need heating around these parts besides wearing thicker clothes.

    Apart from that boiling water to use as a heat source is energy inefficient and using those electrical heaters is extremely expensive.

  24. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
  25. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do they sell warm slippers and boots in your impoverished third world nation? Warm knee socks?

    Clothing is far more efficient than external heat and autism.

  26. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Okay so Autumn is upon us and soon enough houses will need to be heated.
    It was 35 C today

  27. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Like...what if the walls...were just the tank for the hot water heater...

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hot water heater
      tell me moron... why would you need to heat hot water.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well you need water and heat

  28. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I boiled water one day when i didnt have an electric heater

  29. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    A 100w infrared bulb works great to keep yourself warm.

  30. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    A 3ft 180W tubular heater will stop a room from freezing without using too much energy

  31. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    lol stop being not white. im good down to freezing with the windows open. women actually cuddle me cause i am a btu creator, eat a lot, be white, have a fast metabolism, thats literally it.

  32. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Chain enough residential solar panels together to reach 110v (about 3-4 of them) or 220 (europours, double the #),

    feed the output into an old-school electric stove heating element and have that buried in sand, in a metal container.

    As the sun comes up, it will heat up the coil, and the sand will gradually release the heat throughout the day.

  33. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    You are all missing a very important point. Boiling water COSTS ENERGY. If your goal is to heat the room using gas, then just leave the burners bare or place a large thermally condauctive mass over the burner. If you must boil water, do not let it boil. Only let it get hot. You will be WASTING ENERGY otherwise.

  34. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    the output of heat is limited by the resistance of the element. so if this doubles your bill then you may as well cook a lot of soup, all the time. you could warm a can of soup Infront of it but it may take several hours to become warm all the way through. Cooking really isn't an option because these disperse the heat.

  35. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    other information that might help, if you can fill your living space with rugs, hanging drapes on the ceiling, command strips and lightweight foam boards and handing drapes on the walls, you can improve the thermal insulation of the house. make sure if you are in an older house that all the seals are properly filled. in short you may be able to double up on your heating wih cooking but ultimately the best thing to do is to increase insulation and let your body do the heating. exercising can help, and then take a nice warm shower. if you space bead sheets off of the wall you can make a thermal barrier using the air.

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