Best self defense option for San Francisco

Title. My wife is going to San Francisco on business and I want the maximum force allowed concealable weapon for self defense and deterrence.
>Yes she has to go.
>No, I am not from California and plan to never visit.
>The visit will be 3 days.
>This assumes whatever it is is in the checked bag and not the carry-on, though if there are options for carry-on I'd be interested.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pepper spray and stay away from the dark ones and the homeless.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The best option is to simply only travel out of the hotel during the day if you’re that worried about it. Limit exposure to insane bums and criminals as much as possible. The problem with self defense in shitholes like that isn’t really the actual act of carrying something sharp or hard to defend yourself with, but the legal repercussions of actually having to use whatever you ended up bringing.

    The DA will almost certainly prosecute you to make a giant example to the city that outsiders can’t just come in and “bully” the local bums/lowlives/youth.

    I can’t give advice as to what she should specifically bring, partly because the weapon laws and use of force laws there are so fricking backyards that I have no idea what’s worth more trouble than not. I personally just CCW everywhere because I’d rather be alive than dead in any case. I sense that’s probably a total non option in this case though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The DA will almost certainly prosecute you to make a giant example
      It's disgusting how true this is.

      Never forget what happened to the Wuestenbergs. Because she was white and the people attacking her were black, it was national news and their lives have been destroyed. They narrowly avoided a conviction, but their lives are still basically over.

      White people are not allowed to defend themselves against crime.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Joggers (also called dancers) are now a protected species in post-Floyd America. If you're white, it's best to only draw a firearm at the last second, and try to end the threat in as few shots as possible. Don't try to de-escalate the situation by pulling out a gun and hoping the dindus back off, or you will be crucified by the media and activist DAs like the Wuestenbergs and the McCloskeys. God help you if you live in some blue state shithole like Ian Cranston.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Ian Cranston
          Jesus Christ, I hadn't heard of that one. Check out this quote from a news story:

          > Cranston’s defense team argued that their client acted in self-defense, saying that Washington punched Cranston twice in the head before shots were fired and that Cranston feared significant injury if Washington punched him again.

          > Prosecutors argued that the single shot that night came 30 seconds after Washington punched Cranston. They also criticized Cranston’s choice to carry a firearm while he was drinking.

          Bro you waited 30 whole seconds! That proves you weren't in danger!

          And the black guy's parents:

          > Does anyone think that Cranston would have even noticed my son if he was not Black?

          Preeeeety sure he noticed him because he was sexually harassing his girlfriend. Then he punched him in the head.

          Here's a detailed account of the incident. https://centraloregondaily.com/ian-cranston-barry-washington-murder-trial-day-4/

          The only possible explanation for why this guy was convicted was that the jury hates white people.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        We remember. Nothing happened to them. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/case-dropped-couple-after-gun-pulled-black-family-97856324

        Joggers (also called dancers) are now a protected species in post-Floyd America. If you're white, it's best to only draw a firearm at the last second, and try to end the threat in as few shots as possible. Don't try to de-escalate the situation by pulling out a gun and hoping the dindus back off, or you will be crucified by the media and activist DAs like the Wuestenbergs and the McCloskeys. God help you if you live in some blue state shithole like Ian Cranston.

        You're clinically moronic, please have a nice day
        https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2013/0806/Racial-bias-and-stand-your-ground-laws-what-the-data-show

        >Ian Cranston
        Jesus Christ, I hadn't heard of that one. Check out this quote from a news story:

        > Cranston’s defense team argued that their client acted in self-defense, saying that Washington punched Cranston twice in the head before shots were fired and that Cranston feared significant injury if Washington punched him again.

        > Prosecutors argued that the single shot that night came 30 seconds after Washington punched Cranston. They also criticized Cranston’s choice to carry a firearm while he was drinking.

        Bro you waited 30 whole seconds! That proves you weren't in danger!

        And the black guy's parents:

        > Does anyone think that Cranston would have even noticed my son if he was not Black?

        Preeeeety sure he noticed him because he was sexually harassing his girlfriend. Then he punched him in the head.

        Here's a detailed account of the incident. https://centraloregondaily.com/ian-cranston-barry-washington-murder-trial-day-4/

        The only possible explanation for why this guy was convicted was that the jury hates white people.

        He was con I ted because he a) picked a fight and lost b) shot the guy after the fight was over, which was clear as day on the videos
        Stop listening to these waterheads. There is no better affirmative defense in court than being white, except being rich.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Nothing happened to them
          And you're a fricking liar.

          - both of them lost their jobs. BOTH OF THEM. The husband who was sitting in the vehicle lost his fricking job. That's what it means to be canceled.

          - both of them were indicted by a Soros DA. That kind of stress undoubtedly took years off their lives.

          - their lawyer bill is undoubtedly over $100k. They will be paying that off for the rest of their lives.

          You're a fricking liar to say "nothing happened to them." The process is the punishment.

          > he a) picked a fight
          You fricking piece of shit liar. The black dude was sexually harassing his girl and he asked him to leave her alone.

          > shot the guy after the fight was over
          Bullshit. He was punched in the head twice and the black dude was coming towards him to punch him again.

          > There is no better affirmative defense in court than being white
          Wrong again! Here's a study: https://shareok.org/handle/11244/514

          Quote: When controlling for both legal and extra-legal variables, race was only
          significant for African Americans (b=-12.47, p< .05). The relationship was negative
          indicating that black males received shorter sentences than white males of about 1
          year. Hispanics and Native Americans were not sentenced any differently than whites,
          after controlling for legal and extra-legal factors. This finding is in direct conflict with
          those arguing discrimination in the criminal justice system

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >controlling for legal and extra-legal variables
            >study from 2002
            not cherrypicked at all

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          > "but Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Mary Ellen Brennan dismissed the case after the alleged victims did not show up to provide witness testimony,"
          Even when they're the alleged victims Black folk can't bother to show up for court.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

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    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The DA will almost certainly prosecute you
      This is just untrue
      CA is a stand your ground, castle doctrine state.
      Bing it

      https://i.imgur.com/H1lRAgi.jpg

      Title. My wife is going to San Francisco on business and I want the maximum force allowed concealable weapon for self defense and deterrence.
      >Yes she has to go.
      >No, I am not from California and plan to never visit.
      >The visit will be 3 days.
      >This assumes whatever it is is in the checked bag and not the carry-on, though if there are options for carry-on I'd be interested.

      Pepper spray and run.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For carry on or a checked bag a bright flashlight with an impact bezel is probably the best bet. It doesn't have to be a good light. The last time I flew I kept a $2 4-way pocket screwdriver in my backpack. It's not great, but with the smallest bits you can stab ok with it. I have put pocket knives in my checked bags before and never had issues. Just don't bring one you care about too much.

    Another option once you get there. I assume gas stations sell shitty pocket knives in commiefornia too. They suck but can still stab a hobo. Throw it away before you leave. Better yet, smear shit on it and throw it at homeless camp on your way out of town. Hopefully natural selection takes over. If you can't find a pocket knife, a 6" screwdriver is an option but will get you funny looks if someone sees it in a pocket or belt or waistband.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The flashlight is a good idea. Do you know of a good one I can order or pickup under like $35?

      https://i.imgur.com/p3I9X3f.jpg

      >The visit will be 3 days.
      I'm curious: what specifically is she doing there? Surely not a conference. They don't have conferences in that shithole anymore do they?

      Will she had to be outside at night? Will she ever be alone?

      Generally:
      - Uber straight from the hotel to the event, and then straight back afterwards. Do this with coworkers if possible.
      - Be in the hotel room by sundown.
      - Eat in the hotel restaurant.
      - Don't try to do any touristy shit - it's not worth it. There is nothing to see there.

      If her coworkers are naive morons who want to "see the sights" or whatever, be noncommittal in person (there's no point in revealing her power level by actually saying that she's not going out because the shithole is a shithole), then just cancel by text when she gets back to the room.

      So for example, coworkers: "hey! Some of us are getting together tonight to walk around aimlessly and see the city! Want to come along?"
      Her: "maybe, but I want to change first, let's go back to the hotel"
      Coworkers: "good idea! We'll meet up in the lobby at 8 when it's really dark"
      Her: "sure thing"
      <later>
      Her (via text): "hey I've got a bad headache so I'm gonna stay in tonight. You guys have fun!"

      Good advice. I shared the thread with her.

      Oh, it is your wife going, I thought you were just living in San Francisco as a normal citizen.

      I mean I don't know why she is going or what she is doing there, and it's your woman yet you are asking other men.

      My points are made for the free American citizens living in San Francisco right now, who are not dyel noguns pinko libs that is.

      Learn to read please

      To everyone in this thread yeah I get she'd be hung out to dry if caught but I personally would prefer if she was alive.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you know of a good one I can order or pickup under like $35?
        Something like these would work. Coast flashlights are decent so it's not like it's wasted money. The first one is cheaper and smaller. The second is $35 and is metal and would be more of a hammerfist strike, which I think is better in this situation. Walmart sells them too.
        >https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UP3TOCC/ref=emc_b_5_t
        >https://www.amazon.com/Coast-Focusing-Flashlight-Batteries-Included/dp/B0863CVWPX?ref_=ast_sto_dp

        At the end of the day it's not a great striking tool, but it's inconspicuous and is better than nothing. Don't underestimate a bright light to the eyes either. Just don't expect a smack or a light to stop a crackhead in his tracks.

  5. 1 year ago
    Resident Wumbologist

    A brain mostly.

    SF is a shit hole with essentially a non functional police department at this point, but it's also prohibitively expensive for most criminals to actually live in.
    The dangers are primarily the hordes of feral strung out hoboes and hood rats commuting in from Oakland. The former you just try to keep a distance from (especially when they're having a mental episode which is frequent) and the latter mostly target retail business since it's easier, low risk and more lucrative than trying to target individual people.

    Some tips.
    >Travel with other people if possible, especially in your wife's case since female. The more the merrier.
    >Downtown/Market Street area is particularly high crime/homeless.
    >Area just east of Market known as the "tenderloin" is a no-go zone. Stay the frick away.
    >West side of the city facing the Pacific Ocean/GG Park is pretty nice.
    >Chinatown/Wharf is mostly tourist trap, a little rough around the edges but worth seeing.
    >If you are in a retail store getting smashed up/looted DO NOT INTERVENE, JUST LEAVE.
    >Not all homeless people are dangerous/drug users/crazy/violent but the odds are higher. You don't have to be scared of them, but you should maintain situational awareness.

    As far as a backup weapon in case she fricks up, taser and pepper spray are common. Neither is very reliable but it's something in case common sense and situational awareness isn't enough. Gun will get the SFPD dogpiling on you.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not just SF, and it isn’t the cops.
      It’s a majority of voters (not everyone) that voted to amend the state Constitution to forbid apprehending any theft of >$1,000 plus the inability to separate the 5 women with families who lost their home from the shit people who are choosing to come to SF, get their free tent, sleeping bag, and money ($$$/month) and commence living, using, pissing and shitting on the sidewalks.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >The visit will be 3 days.
    I'm curious: what specifically is she doing there? Surely not a conference. They don't have conferences in that shithole anymore do they?

    Will she had to be outside at night? Will she ever be alone?

    Generally:
    - Uber straight from the hotel to the event, and then straight back afterwards. Do this with coworkers if possible.
    - Be in the hotel room by sundown.
    - Eat in the hotel restaurant.
    - Don't try to do any touristy shit - it's not worth it. There is nothing to see there.

    If her coworkers are naive morons who want to "see the sights" or whatever, be noncommittal in person (there's no point in revealing her power level by actually saying that she's not going out because the shithole is a shithole), then just cancel by text when she gets back to the room.

    So for example, coworkers: "hey! Some of us are getting together tonight to walk around aimlessly and see the city! Want to come along?"
    Her: "maybe, but I want to change first, let's go back to the hotel"
    Coworkers: "good idea! We'll meet up in the lobby at 8 when it's really dark"
    Her: "sure thing"
    <later>
    Her (via text): "hey I've got a bad headache so I'm gonna stay in tonight. You guys have fun!"

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How are you guys so b***hmade?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >How are you guys so b***hmade?
      This.

      I understand not taking unnecessary risks but the idea that you should hole up in your hotel room for the entire trip is some paranoid fantasy shit. Sure, SF most likely has higher crime rates than wherever OP's posting from but the risk that any individual person will be the victim of crime (especially when they're only there for 3 days and most likely sticking to tourist areas) is still extremely low.

      • 1 year ago
        Resident Wumbologist

        It is low as long as you aren't dumb. If OP's wife stays with a group while out, doesn't stay out late, sticks to the nicer/touristy areas and knows when to quietly move along from a nutcase/volatile situation then indeed her odds of being a crime victim are low. If she goes wandering on her own with Gucci bags into the Tenderloin at 2am then the odds are very high.

        Like traveling anywhere focusing on a weapon to defend yourself is an inherently backwards approach. The primary tactic is precaution, planning, evasion and de-escalation. Any weapon is a backup in case those fail. It is still worth considering, but in the case of visiting SF from outside of CA where having a valid CCW permit isn't viable the best one can practically do without it being too much for a liability would be some pepper spray or a taser.

        If you have an old phone then the best advice is for her to carry that and a spare wallet (filled with a few small notes and a low-limit credit card), along with wearing shoes she can run in. If she gets mugged she's better off dropping her wallet+phone and running while the Black person picks up her shit. Drawing a knife or trying to play whack-a-Black person with the bezel of her flashlight is just going to turn a mugging into an assault.

        I agree that a knife is a bad idea for women, it's easy to get overpowered and stabbed with your own at that rate. A taser can at least stun the guy if it works. Pepper spray is kinda iffy since there's a good chance it'll get on everyone, but at least it wears off.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This guy Bay Areas. Stay in groups, stay where there are normal people, stay aware of surroundings. If roving packs of hobos attacked anyone on the street, SF wouldn't be livable(or at least, even less than it is right now).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Leave nothing in any vehicle.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >It is low as long as you aren't dumb. If OP's wife stays with a group while out, doesn't stay out late, sticks to the nicer/touristy areas and knows when to quietly move along from a nutcase/volatile situation then indeed her odds of being a crime victim are low. If she goes wandering on her own with Gucci bags into the Tenderloin at 2am then the odds are very high.
          Fair enough. I should've specified 'the risk is low so long as you use a bit of common sense'.
          I really hope OP would make his wife knows to avoid dark alleyways and shitty neighborhoods before he starts worrying about guns.
          >The primary tactic is precaution, planning, evasion and de-escalation. Any weapon is a backup in case those fail. It is still worth considering, but in the case of visiting SF from outside of CA where having a valid CCW permit isn't viable the best one can practically do without it being too much for a liability would be some pepper spray or a taser.
          For sure.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          All tripgays are attention prostitutes.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >paranoid fantasy shit
        Guys like Kevin Monahan have to come from somewhere. Most people here know a lot of it is just shitposting and bantz, but some people just take it way too seriously.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Look at this man who does not don a low-pro PC + backpack SBR everytime he enters a town with more than 50k people. Look at him and laugh.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You're being so dramatic. I live in the East Bay and often commute into SF.

      Is it dirty? Homeless people everywhere? Needles on the ground? Open-air drug use? Tents all over? Yes.

      However, I've personally walked through the Tenderloin (the worst part of SF), alone, at literally midnight, multiple times. As long as you look like you know where you're going, you're probably not going to get randomly attacked or mugged. Worst case, mentally ill people may yell at you, but it's rare to be approached and even rarer to be followed. Ironically, since there's people hanging out on the street at all hours that means you're always "in public." Though I wouldn't recommend walking through a dark alleyway alone. Just avoid walking through dark areas at night where nobody else is around, that's all.

      For a weapons board, some of you guys are cowards with zero survival instinct.

      >You're being so dramatic.
      It's the same on PrepHole
      >Hey, I want to visit (city), what should I see while I'm there?
      >"YOU WILL LITERALLY BE FRICKING RAPED AND MURDERED THE MOMENT YOU STEP OUTSIDE YOU IDIOT NOOOO"
      Yes you should protect yourself but real life isn't Mad Max.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A gun.

    >but ca state law says-

    The second amendment of the United States constitution says otherwise, and the Supreme Court recently verified that. What Gavin Newsom or and whoever the mayor of that festering dung heap say doesn't matter, they do not have the power to stop you, that is not a power granted to them by any legal document in existence.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >they do not have the power to stop you
      lol they absolutely do have the power. It may not be legitimate, but they have it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        And you have the right to an attorney. The second amendment foundation would love to have a case like that fall in their lap. With the higher courts starting to turn against them they might just drop the case the minute it looks like you might appeal it to one of them.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >they might just drop the case
          If they do that, then Soros wouldn't fund their next reelection campaign.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Truly that man and Larry Fink are blights on western civilization that must be removed.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Criminal cases rarely depart the state circuit courts, which are almost exclusively in lock step with CA gun ideology. It's federal courts where progress is made, and unless your crime is federal, you're not going to be heard there.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Holy Bible and a 45 if SHTF.

    A proper rifle if you join a Patriot militia.

    Basically, you are gonna have to make a choice:

    The American people or the federal government.

    Liberty or tyranny? Or, if you have balls:

    Liberty or death.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, it is your wife going, I thought you were just living in San Francisco as a normal citizen.

      I mean I don't know why she is going or what she is doing there, and it's your woman yet you are asking other men.

      My points are made for the free American citizens living in San Francisco right now, who are not dyel noguns pinko libs that is.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >dyel noguns pinko libs
        many actual knob gobblers among them

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'd be less afraid of the crackhead who has cracked out schemes for obtaining crack, and more afraid of the district attorney who wants to utterly destroy your entire life as a victory for their ideology.
    Consider a moderately sized flashlight that feels kind of heavy with the metal case and all those batteries in it. You lift, right?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you have an old phone then the best advice is for her to carry that and a spare wallet (filled with a few small notes and a low-limit credit card), along with wearing shoes she can run in. If she gets mugged she's better off dropping her wallet+phone and running while the Black person picks up her shit. Drawing a knife or trying to play whack-a-Black person with the bezel of her flashlight is just going to turn a mugging into an assault.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I used to carry a drop wallet overseas with all the fake credit cards you get in the mail for offers.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldn't San Fecesco roll off the tongue better

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pepper spray and running shoes. I've got a ccw in the bay area and still carry pepper spray since there's a wide variety of interactions you could have with homeless. Most of them are armed in some manner though, remember that. I've seen street waifs wandering around only to pull foot long shears out of their coat to start carving into their fruit.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You're being so dramatic. I live in the East Bay and often commute into SF.

    Is it dirty? Homeless people everywhere? Needles on the ground? Open-air drug use? Tents all over? Yes.

    However, I've personally walked through the Tenderloin (the worst part of SF), alone, at literally midnight, multiple times. As long as you look like you know where you're going, you're probably not going to get randomly attacked or mugged. Worst case, mentally ill people may yell at you, but it's rare to be approached and even rarer to be followed. Ironically, since there's people hanging out on the street at all hours that means you're always "in public." Though I wouldn't recommend walking through a dark alleyway alone. Just avoid walking through dark areas at night where nobody else is around, that's all.

    For a weapons board, some of you guys are cowards with zero survival instinct.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What do you look like?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        A middle-aged, white nerd, albeit physically fit.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I know you

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Armed drone

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Like others have said, pepper spray/gel are the best she'll get for ranged weapons. You're limited to 4oz containers by TSA so if you want something like bear spray you'll have to buy it after arriving. She should have it in hand as soon as she goes outside to avoid fumbling around trying to find it if attacked.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SF isn't bad. What the hell are you guys talking about?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Most cities aren't bad, but half of /k/ collectively shits their pants if they so much as catch a peripheral glance of an off-white skin tone, and the other half feels naked without a gun. The latter group I can understand, you need to carry around a Big Iron to feel safe the fricking fine. The former group I'm confused as to how they manage to function... basically at all with that level of paranoia. They're the reason why a Girl Scout is now far more likely to get shot going door-to-door selling cookies than if they walked into the worst parts of Brownsville went around spitting on people wearing gang colors.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Get off my board you fricking Black person.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          How many panic attacks did you have just typing out the word "Black person"

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            nta but post hands and gun. If they're brown, the gun better not be a glock.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The saddest part is they memed themselves into this permafear mindset.
        The second saddest part is that being naked actually feels pretty good.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I got sexually harassed by a dirty hobo in a dress while I was directing traffic last time I was in SF and that was before COVID I doubt it's gotten better since.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I work in SF.
      It's bad enough. The Walgreens closed a few years ago, now the high tier stores are closing.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just walk around in the day and ignore the homeless. San Fran is a shithole for those that live there. As a visitor you will encounter almost 0 problems as your car is a rental so who cares if they bust a window and violent robbings are near nonexistent in SF.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A pitbull on a chain crack heads know to fear them
    >Oh Muh shitbull
    They were breed for dog fighting and putting on a show

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Has your wife never been to the big city? Are you such a Hayseed that you don't know how to act when walking down a city streets? Do you really take the shit you read on /misc/ at face value? You are all pussies and LARPers. SF has some of the best restaurants in the world, but she won't get to go because "muh husband sez liberal city dangerous." You people are as bad as those you claim to oppose.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      he knows some "gay haha" dude with intimate knoledge of the booty hole is gonna turn her out her booty hole

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry dude, her boyfriend will keep her safe.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    literally any small arms pistol/pepper spray will do, bearing in mind you will not need to use it.
    San Francisco is nowhere near as bad irl as Fox News makes it look.
    I have walked down some of the really bad industrial pier district streets at night and been totally fine many times, as long as you don't make yourself look like an obvious mark, or stay in areas with the other obvious marks if you're unable to, you'll be OK.
    The truly nasty places aren't in San Francisco proper, they're across the bay in Oakland.

    And yeah, don't go to Oakland. It is actually pretty much as bad as the news reports say, some areas are slowly improving but the vast majority is still just bullet holes.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      kys leftie cuck homosexual

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    IDK how different SF laws are from the rest of the state, but if you are forced to choose between pepper spray or a taser, you should pick the taser. Pepper spray is pretty regulated in California, Pepper balls are completely illegal. Tasers on the other hand are practically unregulated in the state, if you aren't a felon they are literally less regulated than airsoft guns. Either way if you have to defend yourself in any fashion you are fricked legally unless your black.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just tell the dumb b***h to not go wandering around the ghetto at 3am with her panties around her ankles, she's a tourist in SF she's going to be walking around nice areas during the day/early evening no one's going to rape and murder her

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    FG-42

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick would you let your wife go to san fran by herself, even with a gun. Absolute cuck just use the gun on yourself.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >wife
    >business
    >self defense and deterrence.
    >>Yes she has to go.
    Dude, wtf are you doing? Do you really need the mcmansion that bad?

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is mind boggling. Do Americans really?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Have things we want to protect? Yes. I know this might be a foreign concept to the average eurotrash, seeing as all your real men died in ww2 and left only your ancestors.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Best self defense option for San Francisco

    Don't go to San Francisco

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Black folk in california are a complete meme and wont be a problem unless your moronic enough to go to *the* Black person area. You should be more worried that your wife is gonna frick strange dick given she has 3 whole days to her self in tourist HQ

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just be aware of your surroundings, when I lived there I had a homeless guy try to jump me for my Subway sandwich lol shits wild. Don't have your wallet/phone important stuff out around areas like market or tenderloin. I've seen frickers grab and go. Hit up pearls burgers while you are there too.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    > You wife goes on "business" trips without you.

    Anon, have some bad news for you.....

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, good for her. Anon must be exhausting to live with.

      https://i.imgur.com/jZydaa4.jpg

      I work in SF.
      It's bad enough. The Walgreens closed a few years ago, now the high tier stores are closing.

      Walgreens closed 200 stores in 2015, and 200 more in 2019. They're still huge, but their stock has been on a steady decline for the past 5 years.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They closed because neighborhood kids and the grownups they will become were walking out of the store with whatever they could carry.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That's what you tell corporate when you mismanage so badly that you can't afford the lease

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            no, it's what customers saw every time they visited.
            why are you lying?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        your pic is over 10 years old.

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Airport shuttle to hotel, taxi to meeting and work dinner, taxi back to hotel. Don't go to bars at night or walk on sidewalk. Don't accept rides from strangers, including Uber. Don't go into any stores, the hotel should have a small concierge shop for this reason.
    Maximum situational awareness at all times.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't go to bars
      Hotel and venue bars are fine as are bars sponsored by the event organizer, they'll have done their homework and will likely have d2d van or car transport. Last two times I was in SF my feet didn't touch city pavement once in a total of 8 days of work.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly. I meant to put a gritty
        >drink at the hotel bar
        line in but forgot. Everything else should be taken care of for her.

        Illegally carry a small handgun that you legally own. Sig P365 with a 10 round mag.

        A violation of California Penal Code Section 25400 can be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on several factors. If a violation is charged as a misdemeanor, some of the potential consequences include:

        Up to one year in jail
        Up to $1,000 in fines
        Summary probation
        The judge will consider the following before deciding your penalty:

        Any acts of violence you have committed in the past
        Your criminal history
        Evidence that you planned to use the gun
        Your failure to cooperate with law enforcement
        Felony Charges
        If your violation of PC 25400 is processed as a felony, the potential consequences can greatly increase. A felony conviction could mean:

        Up to three years in prison
        Up to $10,000 in fines
        Formal probation
        The following circumstances might make your concealed weapon charge a felony:

        Previous convictions of a firearm offense or felony in the state
        Knowingly carrying a stolen firearm
        Being involved in a gang
        Illegally possessing the firearm
        Being banned from carrying a firearm due to a restraining order or previous conviction
        A previous misdemeanor conviction against people or property
        A previous drugs or narcotics conviction

        Question, P365 enjoyer. Does the penalty go up if you are caught CCing a pistol on the banned list?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Its not a "ban list". You are allowed to possess and own any handgun in California. They are simply not allowed to be sold at gun stores.

          Also, when you travel to the airport, place the gun in a case unloaded and unchambered obviously. That's how you would legally transport it anywhere in the state as well. Its only illegal to carry it or transport it loaded. Combine this knowledge with this
          to craft your own self-defense and legal strategies as you desire.

          Locked* case

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Then I "SHALL" continue to Mexican Carry my friend Pietro Beretta when I'm in that accursed stain of a state.

            AHEM. so to SUMMARIZE. the basic strategy when you come to California if you want to live and go home above all, is to do nothing illegal, besides carrying a gun, and even if you have to defend yourself.. you should be good to go. If you wanna do some illegal shit, no judgement here, then unload and lock the gun away in a separate place from the illegal shit.

            >come to California and do nothing illegal except carry
            Exactly.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I own the libs by preemptively tooting a rape whistle and clutching my buttcheeks together every time have to I leave the hotel room for a vending machine meal. Haha based right?

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a certified, bonafide bay area denizen and SF is shit, but not as violent as other (blacker) cities. You just need to keep your wits about you and avoid certain areas. Park in a garage or better area and keep nothing visible in car.

    For self defense in SF I carry pepper spray, a pocket flashlight and a knife. For your wife I'd recommend the spray and light. Both are legal and effective. Knives you need to be very careful, especially if its a whammin using them. Use the pepper spray/flashlight as a primary option.

    Despite what people think about getting persecuted for defending yourself in SF, cops don't give a frick. They're so jaded and tired that if you're not asking for trouble, they'll lay off. You can rough up a bum if he messes with you and cops won't care; just don't leave too many marks.

    Guns are a obvious no. While the city disregards petty crime, homicide is still a big deal and the police/DA will go after you.

    Good luck! 🙂

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Illegally carry a small handgun that you legally own. Sig P365 with a 10 round mag.

    A violation of California Penal Code Section 25400 can be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on several factors. If a violation is charged as a misdemeanor, some of the potential consequences include:

    Up to one year in jail
    Up to $1,000 in fines
    Summary probation
    The judge will consider the following before deciding your penalty:

    Any acts of violence you have committed in the past
    Your criminal history
    Evidence that you planned to use the gun
    Your failure to cooperate with law enforcement
    Felony Charges
    If your violation of PC 25400 is processed as a felony, the potential consequences can greatly increase. A felony conviction could mean:

    Up to three years in prison
    Up to $10,000 in fines
    Formal probation
    The following circumstances might make your concealed weapon charge a felony:

    Previous convictions of a firearm offense or felony in the state
    Knowingly carrying a stolen firearm
    Being involved in a gang
    Illegally possessing the firearm
    Being banned from carrying a firearm due to a restraining order or previous conviction
    A previous misdemeanor conviction against people or property
    A previous drugs or narcotics conviction

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Also, when you travel to the airport, place the gun in a case unloaded and unchambered obviously. That's how you would legally transport it anywhere in the state as well. Its only illegal to carry it or transport it loaded. Combine this knowledge with this
      to craft your own self-defense and legal strategies as you desire.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    tl;dr

    if you illegally carry a handgun you legally own and never use it or use it, the worse you'll get is a misdemeanor.

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. Welcome to the Wild West.

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You can bring a handgun in a checked bag to CA as long as you declare it. Might wanna get 10rd mags, but I’m pretty sure tsa doesn’t check.

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    And lots of guns stores get around this by doing "consignment" service, which is when they take a gun being sold by a private party and sell it for them for a fee, which allows gun stores to sell "banned" pistols. Glock 19 gen 5 is $1499 in California. LMAO

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    AHEM. so to SUMMARIZE. the basic strategy when you come to California if you want to live and go home above all, is to do nothing illegal, besides carrying a gun, and even if you have to defend yourself.. you should be good to go. If you wanna do some illegal shit, no judgement here, then unload and lock the gun away in a separate place from the illegal shit.

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Weed is still illegal if you have a gun btw, nice catch 22 here. So keep this in mind. Much love peace and kisses braaaaaaah

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit you guys are making it seem like OP's wife is going to mogadishu or some shit. Yeah, SF has some bad parts (the tenderloin), but whenever I go there its actually somewhat nice if you stay away from the very obvious ghetto areas.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Mogadishu would be safer.

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pepper spray
    Self-defense pen/punch
    Good situational awareness
    Stay aware from bad areas, only travel when necessary. Travel in a group if possible.

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just avoid downtown and she'll be fine.

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Most places the right answer is a concealed pistol, however your circumstances preclude that. I would first say common sense, just avoid places with homeless encampments and other bad areas, if you aren't literally blind you'll be able to tell by looking.

    Now in the event you do get into something, first thing is to make sure you hide your identity. Baseball cap, gloves maybe a surgical mask if your feeling it. You will be on camera and without context you're a violent white man hunting the poor.

    Finally get a collapsible baton or nightstick, even one of those tire checking mini-bats some truckers have. Most people aren't going to keep harassing people if they get smacked in the face with a club, it'll keep them at more them at arms length and you can toss it as soon as the police realize you're protecting yourself.

  46. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    San Francisco isnt as bad as most people make it out to be, still a lovely american city to visit, but if youre scared, take a knife and some pepper spray. And a rape whistle. Make sure your phone is charged too.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      forgot pic. you should really go anon, your wife would love you for it. San Fran is a very romantic city. People fall in love there very easily and often, it can save your marriage if you go with her, or destroy it if you dont.
      I left my heart in San Francisco isnt a quotable line for nothing. San Francisco is a panty dropper, women go gaga for it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        this is false

        san francisco is a cold unromantic shithole full of drugs, trash, homeless, and a majority male populace all coming in from tech.

        if you want love go to to thailand or colombia op, you wont look at your wife the same again

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          bitches go to SF for the BBC, i know I went to college there and realized not to marry any of these broads

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          basically, its a sex tourism destination for women, all the rich tech guys and the gangstas, its a horny business woman's paradise.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Did you not see the poop map at

        https://i.imgur.com/jZydaa4.jpg

        I work in SF.
        It's bad enough. The Walgreens closed a few years ago, now the high tier stores are closing.

        ?

  47. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I want to join police academy but I had a bad past life. (Drugs, involuntary mental detention, and people who don't like my past behavior)

    I never been to jail or prison, but I don't think my chances are high for acceptance. I'm going to be completely honest about my history when I do the interview.

    Any advice?

  48. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    An M-14 is the only answer.

  49. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You got to get it together. There's no way in hell my wife would go to SF without me.

  50. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hypodermic needle with AIDS and Hepatitis blood

  51. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Buck up and make enough money that your wife doesn't have to entertain silly notions of earning her "own" money so she can instead spend her time as a mother without worrying about getting raped by a feral pack of Black folk while traveling.

  52. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Post your wifes boobs

  53. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You may legally carry long blades openly, including swords, in San Francisco.

  54. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Your wife lied to you and is going to cheat on you in San Francisco.

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