Since Glock has malfunctioning as standard, which manufacturer would /k/ recommend as modern state-of-art?
HK? CZ?
Which model?
9mm, .40 or .50?
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Since Glock has malfunctioning as standard, which manufacturer would /k/ recommend as modern state-of-art?
HK? CZ?
Which model?
9mm, .40 or .50?
HK.
Care to explain?
kochsuckers
the triggers suck, at least if you're talking about the hammer fired ones
better than glock triggers
I don't think so, just a little bit of work, a red neck trigger job, or a connector kit makes the glock trigger pretty good
the group with infinite budget carry glocks btw, socom mk 27
Nah I disagree
You know, I've owned a few hammer fired HK's and the triggers have all felt like shit but for some reason, I also never had problems jerking them. Other guns with triggers that seemed okay, I could barely avoid moving the front sight dry firing. So, I don't think you can separate out tiny aspects without looking at the whole package anyway. I mean if the trigger feels like shit but the biomechanics end up performing really well, can you say it's a bad trigger?
That's true, and there are different styles of shooting as well. If someone wants to shoot fast they're better served by a short reset than a crisp SA break, if someone wants to shoot accurately they're better served by light pull weight than either
But objectively in a vaccuum, HK and Glock triggers are just meh but not awful
Glock
have you ever personally experienced a malfunction with an unmodified glock?
There’s no point engaging, I guarantee he’s a moron that says glocks explode
They explode?
One generation in one caliber had some explosions many years ago. Boomer morons ran with it ever since to justify using some shitty Kimber 1911s
So, I currently own 4 handguns including 3 Glocks. I've owned maybe a dozen other Glocks over the last 20 years. They are extremely reliable but perfect and not immune to malfunction. I had a Glock 19 that had 1 malfunction from a faulty bullet case, 100% the ammos' fault though. I also had a first production Glock 36 which was a jam-o-matic piece of shit. Lots of people had lots of problems with them and Glock even lost a lawsuit. I had lots of jams with that one. Aside from my own anecdotes The gen4 Glocks had overly stiff recoil springs that would cause failures with target loads. Finally, we all know the memes with the first Glocks in .40cal.
What I can tell you is that I also had a Steyr m9, new, that would not cycle fully into battery. I had an HK p2000 with a factory roll pin that kept walking out. I had a Dan Wesson with a hammer that rusted immediately because it wasn't stainless and wasn't coated. My brother had a Shield that came with a barrel that wasn't rifled. There's probably other stuff I don't even remember.
No manufacturer is entirely free of defects and failures, including Glocks but I agree that anyone saying they aren't at least as reliable as the most reliable brands is a person with bad opinions.
Oh yeah, I also had a Walther PPK that would not cycle even FMJ. The gun shop / range did me a solid and let me exchange for another, consecutive serial number and the second one would not field strip (slide would not go all the way back to remove iirc). I even had the guy try at the counter.
CZ... I've owned a bunch of CZ's and never had a problem but I'm told some model can break roll pins. I don't know.
HK as long as you load the mags the right way
Glocks don't malfunction. They have shitty sights and shitty triggers and shitty grips, but they always go bang.
i see you were too cowardly to post this noguns troll in handgun general because you would have been laughed out
Glock gen 5, they fixed it. Definitely not CZ or HK, the former was always and still is mediocre while the later might have been state of the art in 1995 they've fallen behind the competition. The M&P is probably the only real competition.
Colt
Any company that has a light rail, optic mount and a method for changing grip size I would say is 'state of the art.' That makes for a lot of manufacturers and models, HK and CZ are probably among them with limited models but HK is very slow and doesn't have optic cuts outside one product afaik. None of them are noticeably superior though some are inferior in quality.
For me it's probably S&W or maybe Walther to a lesser extent. I think both their strikers are excellent, Walther triggers are nicer but M&P M2.0s shoot softer. They have all those things plus great grip texture, excellent reliability, fair price and a willingness to update features as well as re-engineer things relatively quickly as trends or complaints develop, unlike Glock or HK. For example Walther updated the PDP optic mount when people made a fuss about the lack of recoil lugs, and S&W is on at least their third iteration of M2.0 triggers now. Though I guess Glock did get rid of the pinky hole pretty quick too.
funny how car guys can all agree that corolla/camry is the end all of reliability but gun guys will go back and forth until the end of time over the 17/19
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