If you're going to go with a Zenith at the $1800+ price point then you might as well go all out and get an SP5. If you just want to scratch the itch then an AP5 is definitely a great buy.
Zenith use all american parts now right? IDK how 922r and sbr shit work so if they get rid of pistol braces for good are you fricked with AP5s and HKs?
>SP5 gays will say "it feels cheap"
SP5 gays mostly just say READ OWNERS MANUAL and FIRES WITHOUT MAGAZINE and whatever other gay bullshit is painstakingly inscribed on their lmao-shelf safe queens.
Ap5. The only complaint Ive seen is sometimes the extractor spring dies a bit early. Just replace it when it happens or buy your like 12$ part and install a HK or HKP spring.
do you have any other PCCs? is a 2500 USD rangetoy a frickhuge expense for you?
pewpew's list is essentially correct, if you aren't an ~hk guy~ in the way that guys are ~bmw guys~ but you think the mp5 is sexy and you really want one.
best as in cheap & legal thrillz: honestly, it's bullshit and cheating but the OEM 22LR. buddy of mine got a few for entertaining guests at his home range. way more fun than dealing with finnicky primadonna safe queens that nobody dares to touch without gloves because of $$$.
best as in 'clone correct' fidelity: zenith. caveat - in the past couple years, availability issues, import fees, and similar nonsense can result in situations where OEM is the more attractive option. haven't checked on this since talking with aforementioned bud around a year or so back.
best as in modernized: contradiction in terms. either you get the lion's share of features found in PCCs that aren't 60 years old, or you get a gun that looks and acts like an mp5.
best as in best: dakota. lead time requires above-average patience.
AP5 is best clone, especially for price. Allows for swapping in OEM trigger pack
As far as mags go- HK are barely better than MKE, but don’t waste money on KCI or anything cheaper. Only buy the plastic ones if you like objects shoved in your anal cavity
I really want a reliable delayed blowback PCC with an MP5k form factor that RELIABLY feeds JHPs and flat nosed ammo. Glock mag lower as an option would be nice too. Yea im aware the stribog is a thing but the reliability reports are mixed, fricking euros being the only people making non moron SMGs but only designing them around reliably feeding ball
FWIW, my MKE mags are dont quite feed JHP reliably, my HK mags do. Maybe its just luck of the draw but ive heard more than a few people say similarly.
I really like the .22LR MP5 pistol with the SBT5-22 brace. Really fun to shoot and you don't have to pay a lot for it.
Idk anything about real 9mm MP5s but I always stay away from turkshit no matter what it is.
What happens when you move the selector to full auto on a semi automatic MP5? Just semi auto? I've seen videos of the legal conversion but they never say what happens if you flick it into F
>buying a homemade abomination from a company whose only experience in the market is losing their cash cow import deal to fricking Century International Arms >paying a 50% markup for the privilege
Just get the AP5.
That's weird, this particular "handgun" seems to have a collapsing stock, three points of contact and an ability to put more rounds downrange with more accuracy than any other handgun I own.
old zenith is MKE, debatably with a slight hand select level of quality improvement. New zenith is made in america shenanigans a la PTR mp5 clones. Not even tryna shill or anything, my MKE needed plus 6 rollers after break in to get back into spec and im still kinda salty about it but hey the thing works i guess. Honestly in the current market id either go MKE on a budget and give everything a thorough looking over or HK if youre rich and dont give a frick. The in between options dont make much sense
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my buddy has an ap5 thats been nothing but reliable, SP5 gays will say "it feels cheap" but it doesnt, thats just their buyers remorse coping.
If you're going to go with a Zenith at the $1800+ price point then you might as well go all out and get an SP5. If you just want to scratch the itch then an AP5 is definitely a great buy.
Zenith use all american parts now right? IDK how 922r and sbr shit work so if they get rid of pistol braces for good are you fricked with AP5s and HKs?
My AP5P is very reliable and fun. They will cost you like 1.1-1.3k for the gun + hk german ejector lever (part I needed to make it reliable)
I’ve shot a SP5 plenty of times and it’s the same shit as the MKE guns except with a cuck shelf, not worth it unless you are obsessed with HK.
>SP5 gays will say "it feels cheap"
SP5 gays mostly just say READ OWNERS MANUAL and FIRES WITHOUT MAGAZINE and whatever other gay bullshit is painstakingly inscribed on their lmao-shelf safe queens.
I love my based Paki terrorist MP5. Been 100% reliable for me.
what kind of budget should one set aside to get a decent example?
AP5 is your best “budget” option, the mp5k variants go on sale for 899 sometimes. The AP5 is on sale on Atlantic for 1099 right now
Ap5. The only complaint Ive seen is sometimes the extractor spring dies a bit early. Just replace it when it happens or buy your like 12$ part and install a HK or HKP spring.
do you have any other PCCs? is a 2500 USD rangetoy a frickhuge expense for you?
pewpew's list is essentially correct, if you aren't an ~hk guy~ in the way that guys are ~bmw guys~ but you think the mp5 is sexy and you really want one.
best as in cheap & legal thrillz: honestly, it's bullshit and cheating but the OEM 22LR. buddy of mine got a few for entertaining guests at his home range. way more fun than dealing with finnicky primadonna safe queens that nobody dares to touch without gloves because of $$$.
best as in 'clone correct' fidelity: zenith. caveat - in the past couple years, availability issues, import fees, and similar nonsense can result in situations where OEM is the more attractive option. haven't checked on this since talking with aforementioned bud around a year or so back.
best as in modernized: contradiction in terms. either you get the lion's share of features found in PCCs that aren't 60 years old, or you get a gun that looks and acts like an mp5.
best as in best: dakota. lead time requires above-average patience.
What’s the best brace to go with these also?
I like the jmac armbar plus tailhook mod 1c.
Folds flat with a pic adapter unlike sba, fine with 9mm recoil
AP5 is best clone, especially for price. Allows for swapping in OEM trigger pack
As far as mags go- HK are barely better than MKE, but don’t waste money on KCI or anything cheaper. Only buy the plastic ones if you like objects shoved in your anal cavity
I really want a reliable delayed blowback PCC with an MP5k form factor that RELIABLY feeds JHPs and flat nosed ammo. Glock mag lower as an option would be nice too. Yea im aware the stribog is a thing but the reliability reports are mixed, fricking euros being the only people making non moron SMGs but only designing them around reliably feeding ball
FWIW, my MKE mags are dont quite feed JHP reliably, my HK mags do. Maybe its just luck of the draw but ive heard more than a few people say similarly.
I love my stribog and after throwing the HB buffer in it have never experienced another FTE but yeah I've only run ball ammo or poly tipped JHP in it
I really like the .22LR MP5 pistol with the SBT5-22 brace. Really fun to shoot and you don't have to pay a lot for it.
Idk anything about real 9mm MP5s but I always stay away from turkshit no matter what it is.
Why can't these morons just make a normal looking brace without those gay ass fricking holes. frick man I hate modern designs
Because the ATF says the Brace is supposed to be wrapped on your arm
What happens when you move the selector to full auto on a semi automatic MP5? Just semi auto? I've seen videos of the legal conversion but they never say what happens if you flick it into F
I wish the Surefire 628 wasn't fricking 600 bucks
>buying a homemade abomination from a company whose only experience in the market is losing their cash cow import deal to fricking Century International Arms
>paying a 50% markup for the privilege
Just get the AP5.
Ap5 and sbr it. It's just meant to be. Same for a vz.61 skorpion.
Vz.61 is a machine pistol, not a pistol caliber carbine
going to SBR my AP5 gonna give it a Surefire 628 handguard and the classic stock
Semi SMGs are just bulky handguns. Reminder that agencies get full auto HK mp5s for less than your turkroach clones.
Reminder that guns are for fun, sorry post 2020 gun owners like you will never understand. Go back to instagram and your American eagle influencers.
That's weird, this particular "handgun" seems to have a collapsing stock, three points of contact and an ability to put more rounds downrange with more accuracy than any other handgun I own.
Are you sure you own guns?
$1200 AP5. I think you're a genuine moron if you think the SP5 is actually worth the price over it
the SP5 is hilarious, you pay top-dollar for what is objectively the most neutered MP5 option possible
Are there any readily available mp5/40s?
old zenith is MKE, debatably with a slight hand select level of quality improvement. New zenith is made in america shenanigans a la PTR mp5 clones. Not even tryna shill or anything, my MKE needed plus 6 rollers after break in to get back into spec and im still kinda salty about it but hey the thing works i guess. Honestly in the current market id either go MKE on a budget and give everything a thorough looking over or HK if youre rich and dont give a frick. The in between options dont make much sense
Sten gun
if it doesnt have a buttstock and short barrel and full auto trigger pack whats even the point?
Which one looks closer to the original in terms of plastic and metal finish, AP5 or SP5 ?