Was thinking a single shot break action 12 gauge, then buying a bunch of caliber adapter sleeves to add in a bunch of flexibility but I am open to suggestions
best?
Was thinking a single shot break action 12 gauge, then buying a bunch of caliber adapter sleeves to add in a bunch of flexibility but I am open to suggestions
rather have a coach gun. two barrels instead of one and around the same weight because the barrels are shorter.
shop smart
shop s-mart
no point in adapter sleeves. just stick to 12ga and shoot mini shells if you want lighter loads.
16 is pretty good as an all arounder, it is lighter and still works great. Russian IŽ double barrels are unkillable, but are on the heavier side. My great-uncle left me one and it is my favorite shotgun, better than an old Zolli
>i need muh gunzzz to go outside
>no outdoor activity specified
try putting your boots on and going outdoors first or go back to your containment board >>>/k/
you seem upset
there's no reason to not bring a gun everywhere you go
>same picture every gun thread
avatargayging is against the rules, europoor
Rules are for commies
>protects you from bears in your path
Nothin personnel /in/cel
This gun looks like it should be consuming mini-shells instead.
>turns bears into delicious campfire burgers for the grill
What do you use to cook bear burgers?
Answer: Bear Grylls
>cut off barrels that direct the blast
>you now have a trigger activated grenade
I haven't been to PrepHole since 2014, but it seems nothing's changed. Just the same threads and replies on repeat for a decade like a broken machine.
Please don't tell him to go to /k/ man; that board has taken such a nosedive it may be even worse than PrepHole now.
It used to be one of the highest quality boards for a long time too. Dammit I hate it.
>first or go back to your containment board
No, this is for years of homosexuals like you shitting up /k/ before PrepHole was even created.
Really depends where you live homie..
I grew up in florida- Where thick palm and boar hunting is pretty much all you do.. so you need a bush gun, something that's got a subsonic round but is heavy as frick, 12gauge slug/ 45/70.. I went with 12gauge cause cheap as frick.
went with a benelli ultralight. Best fricking shotgun I have ever held and shot. frick its actually beyond my skill of shooting quick and hitting the target reliably at the speed it can shoot, I can fire it stupid fast- but wont hit shit consistently. you should see the thing, it'd make most benelli owners cry. It's got dents, and scrapes. well used by me and have carried it in over 35 states.
only gripe is lack of mods- especially for a bigger tube. short of taking it to a gunsmith to get a custom tube made. [maybe one day]
Oh and the carbon fiber sight rail- kinda gimminky and i'm honestly surprised I have not broken that shit in half yet.
You sound extremely low IQ. I believe you're from Florida
>a single shot break action 12 gauge, then buying a bunch of caliber adapter sleeves to add in a bunch of flexibility
Sounds moronic. I've never had the urge to suddenly load up some .22 halfway through a hunting trip or change to 9mm or whatever the frick you're imagining. If I wanted a .22 or a 9mm I would've grabbed it from the safe when I left to go PrepHole.
My PrepHole gun is a p365 for the unlikely event I encounter a Black person in the woods and either a repro Model 1886 or a Benelli Montefeltro if I'm hunting. You don't need a generic PrepHole gun, you need a hunting rifle or a self defense pistol or some other firearm that fulfills a purpose. A gun isn't some talisman that you carry for no reason.
I agree with your sentiment. But those into minimalism/survival or actually 100% outdoor subsistence lifestyle can greatly benefit from a firearm that can shoot multiple calibers.
As it is, I'm also happy with my Compact 9mm.
Of course you should get a single shot shotgun, and your picrel, the Henry, would be the only one worth buying new unless you find a nice old Stevens. But first, a quick rundown of when and where a single shot shines:
1) Upland game including turkey. A single shot is light and fast handling, qualities you want when walking miles of forests, meadows, mountains, or desert scrub hunting for quail, grouse, or woodwiener.
2) Rabbit and squirrel hunting is also more enjoyable with a single shot. You can almost always stalk close enough to get a good first shot; multiple shots are rare.
3) Turkey hunting also rarely requires a second shot.
So if you foresee a lot of walking while hunting small game and upland game, a single shot shotgun makes sense. It can also be used for dove and pheasant but there'll be more missed birds with the first shot, so a pump/auto makes more sense here. Both 12 and 20 gauge are sufficient for upland and small game but 12 gauge shells are less expensive. Be sure to buy an improved or full choke tube when you get the gun. Read about choke tubes and which one you'll need for your situation. Henry sells choke tubes for their single shot.
Forget cartridge adapters, they suck. If you want to shoot 22 or whatever just buy another firearm. A single shot shotgun is for hunting only.
get an over and under if you want multiple calibers. .22 20ga Combination guns are decent for small game
No need for multiple calibers, just get an o/u. I have a Beretta 687, love it. Picked it up with my stimmies.
I’d have to agree, a savage model 42 is quite cheap if you’re ok with looking at one of God’s abominations right in the eyes.
i kinda like the m6 survival rifles, maybe a double gun i right for me
The best PrepHole gun depends on your unique situation, and no single firearm is a "do all". In general, if you're long distance backpacking you want a subcompact pistol for defense in town, and if you're elk hunting you need a rifle. As far as single shot shotguns go they're a pretty niche firearm but I did read an account of three men who traversed the Great Basin on foot in the mid-1800s armed with only one shotgun, a single shot muzzleloader. Luckily, they didn't encounter hostile natives or they would've been scalped.
Nowadays, we don't have to worry about starving in the wilderness or fighting indians or even grizzly bears, but there's no end to the number and type of people who will harm you. Since lugging around an AR-15 is more trouble than it's worth at the moment, a decent handgun capable of reliably hitting and killing a human at 100 yards is probably the best bet for an PrepHole firearm. You'll need to rely more on your wits than the gun to get out of a jam, so don't go looking for trouble. Trouble will find you, it's right outside your front door.
Good post
>handgun
>100 yards
Okay bud
I want to respond like an elitist and make fun of you, but I'll try to just educate you in a friendly manner. A 9mm handgun will EASILY get you to 100 yards on a man-sized target. It doesn't even take THAT much skill. However most people don't even learn the basics of handgun shooting, the same way most people don't know the basics of camping. So I understand why you feel a handgun won't get you out to 100 yards.
I'm a USPSA competitive shooter where extreme accuracy isn't a main focus in our sport, so it's something I don't really train often, and yet with minimal basics in accuracy, 100 yards with iron sights is still doable for me. With a red dot on my pistol it's an absolute breeze and even 200 yards is possible. A guy pro like Bob Munden can do 400 yards with a snub nose revolver J-frame in 38 special.
I won't pretend it's ideal to engage someone at that distance with a pistol, especially if they have a rifle. But a pistol is a lot more capable than people think. Also most of the time murderers kill people in woods, it's always close range. You never hear of people being sniped from hundreds of yards away. Even if a killer has a rifle he's likely to confront you up close before he kills you. Either for line of sight reasons, or because these whackos want to see you suffer up close and personal, or rob/rape you first.
Pic semi related. Another option one can have for a beginner that extends the capability of a 9mm cartridge while being small and lightweight and easily carried.
Get a handgun. Unless you're hiking in Africa, there's nothing out there that's worth carrying a long gun for, unless you're specifically going hunting. Look up kit guns.
You're not going to need more than a glock.
AR-7, Eugene Stoners pilot survival rifle
>must use only high velocity loads or it jams
>jams anyway
>plastic barrel for greatly reduced accuracy
>trigger designed for worst accuracy possible
Just take literally anything else.
Don’t listen to this Black person I’ve had that gun for a little over 5 years now and have no complaints. Any problems I’ve had with it I can say comes down to human error. The worst part would be the mag release placement, if you’re running gloves you can accidentally drop the mag while shooting. Otherwise it’s a tack driver.
>Plastic barrel
Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about. For starters, it doesn't have a plastic barrel. Otherwise it would melt and destroy the rifling on the first shot. It has a plastic sleeve around a metal barrel. It was designed this way for weight savings purposes. This is a gun that's meant to be carried a lot and used very little.
>Crappy trigger
This is literally the best aspect of the gun. The trigger is damn good for a $200 gun. The only thing I'll agree with you is on the sights. Specifically the front sight that's trash. But mechanical accuracy has been good. The reliability is no worse or better than on a standard shitty 10/22. Which is to say that other than for plinking or hunting, it's obviously not a serious self defense gun.
AR7 sucks ass. Shitty sights, trigger, sinks more than it floats. A break down 10/22 is superior.
Pilot here.
Never used this gun so I have no opinion.
But seriously, a short pump shotgun is what I'd take. Tons of options and reliability/versatility is through the ceiling
This. A pump shotgun is about the best gat for a first-time buyer. Versatility and reliability are awesome. Caliber adapter sleeves are hard to zero, and you might as well just buy a new gun at that point.
After that, it depends on priorities. Hunting large game? Bolt action rifle in a .30 cal cartridge. Hunting small game? .22 rifle or birdshot with the aforementioned shotty. Bear defense? Large-caliber double-action revolver. Larping?
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Advanced answer that is too complicated to get right for a first-time buyer. Very versatile tho.
Kel-Tec Sub2000 is basically the grownup version. That, or an M6.
moronic take
everyone I know with an AR7 absolutely hates it as it's a giant piece of shit, but the sub2000 does not make a good survival gun as its a pcc
the big problem with pcc is the ammo is way too heavy to carry a significant amount of it.
.223 weighs less than 9mm, and its a better hunting round
Ha! Tell them to sell to me.
I sold mine and i miss it every day.
I also have the sub2k.
Don't fall for the bs, they're both the best survival/pack guns outside of pistols, especially when you have tards pushing the little badger or 10/22
Ar7 gets to be DEAD accurate. If need be, i am dead confident it could kill a deer if you know your shot placement. It'll shoot where you tell it to.
Aside from that, it stores up WATERPROOF, because you won't be hunting every day, is very low maintenance, and you can store 3 mags, with 2 extra rounds up your nose. They're .22. Carry a bunch in a tik tac box!
Load your pack with 200 rounds of 9mm then tell me its a good pack gun.
Are you expecting the deer to shoot back?
Why would you need more than 3 reloads
A riflemans loadout is 210 rounds, so it's just a benchmark. But yes, if you're hunting deer with 9mm you probably will need 200 rounds just to kill the damn thing.
>t. noguns
9mm isnt the best against people. Doubly so against large animals
>le 9mm can't kill meme
Have you tried maybe using the sights on your gun to hit your target in a vital area?
I've looked into a PCC for one of my pack loadouts vs a 5.56 AR and any benefits (lower price per round, lighter firearm, compatibility with pistol) from 9mm are outweighed by its ballistic downsides in such a comparison for me.
For example
AR 16" 1/7 twist, irons only, lighter setup
empty weight about 6lbs, OAL 36"
m193, standard loaded (underestimates, assuming a low .243 BC G1)
3,100 fps muzzle
1,173 ft lbs muzzle
2,000 fps at 300 yds
488 ft lbs at 300 yds
weight for 210 rds (not counting weight of mags, just raw loaded rounds)
about 5.6 lbs
price (for m193)
about $0.40/rd
Kel-tec sub2k, irons only
empty weight about 4.25 lbs empty, OAL 31"
9mm Luger, 115gr warm-hot loaded (16" barrel, assuming relatively high BC of .180 G1)
1,400 fps muzzle
500 ft lbs muzzle
900 fps at 300yds
207 ft lbs at 300 yds
weight for 210 rds (raw loaded rds only)
about 5.5 lbs
price (for standard velocity loads rather than hotter ones)
about $0.20/rd
IF I ever get a PCC for packing, I'd go with the Ruger PC as it's takedown and use 147 grain instead of 115. I know the Sub2k folds, but it just seems so janky.
>I'd go with the Ruger PC as it's takedown and use 147 grain instead of 115.
They both can shoot 147 grain. The Ruger PCC is a lot bigger even when broken down, weighs frick ton more too. Better off with the Ruger PC Charger, same size as the PCC even when not broken down, weighs less, velocity compared to 6" barrel next to 16" is only couple hundred in difference and doesn't matter. Seeing as I don't want to carry extra 8 pounds of gun, mags, ammo, rather just take a pistol like I normally do, works more than fine agaisnt bears if that's why you're carrying.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/04/update-of-pistol-defenses-against-bears-123-cases-98-effective/
I've got a SUB-2000 and my brother has an AR-7. Both excellent pack rifles. Most complaints about the sub-2000 are for the first generation. And the AR-7 got a bad reputation when it was being produced by a now defunct company. Henry is now making the AR-7 and it is g2g
Depends where im at, if theres bears .10mm or bigger, if theres not i bring my 9mm
hope you shaved the sight off the 10mm. gonna be a lot easier to remove it from your ass that way, when the bear takes it away from you and shoves it up your ass.
I heard a boomer hippie say this once unironically
I've never heard this one before. You should be a standup comic!
Why would a bear take his gun away?
>Why would a bear take his gun away?
to go rob the footlocker/liquor store/gas station
because americans give the right to the bears to take guns it's the 2nd amendment
You sound like a boomer.
But you dumbasses should carry bear spray (readily accessible) and use that before thinking most of you will even hit a bear when you've adrenaline dumped. Carry the gun for tweakers and weirdos.
neat
1 cm is best mm.
Not pictured, longer ported barrel and some hot hardcast rounds.
Comfy
The thing I like about the 10mm is that I can load it with weak ammo for humans or Underwood 200 grain hardcast for whatever. Last year while hiking a fricking big ass bull with horns was in my way. I would've felt undergunned with a 9mm. We came to an amicable agreement: if he lets me pass I won't kill him.
You're brave, I would have done a 360 and went the other way.
The 10 is better on sound too, 9mm makes a little pop and the 10 makes a solid BOOM.
If Ruger would make their PC carbine in 10mm I'd get one right away.
Ruger could, and it was speculated that they would, but the blowback design would require a much heavier weight than the 9mm, and that gun weighs 6.8 pounds.
Makes sense. I have the PC9, it somewhat makes up for the weak round by putting a lot of lead on target. It's so easy with a red dot it makes people think they're some kind of great shooter.
Love the break-down guns, need a pistol caliber (.357) lever action breakdown to round out the collection. Henry or Chiappa or ?, idk. I don't like that matte chrome finish Chiappa uses but stainless would be ok. Haven't looked in a while to see what's out there.
>Ruger announces PC Carbine in 10mm in 2019.
>Still has not released it.
Big frick gay.
It depends completely on what you are hunting or using your rifle for.
Here is a solid loadout for hogs:
Picrel is an example of a 308 / 7.62 NATO AR-10 build.
Hard reset trigger or NFA full auto conversion for burst fire.
Optics and suppressor of choice, AP rounds if the hog has level IV plates.
2-3x 30 round mags jungle taped to the rifle, extra mags concealed or carried.
If your extra ammo is taped to your rifle, you don't need to carry it on your person.
If you need to carry ammo on your person, you can use your pockets or conceal it.
But if you are going full auto night hunting, can get a cheap minimalist rig for like four extra mags.
You might be able to conceal a chest rig or plates under a shirt or jacket, but only mags look like hunting gear.
Pretty soon hogs will have explosive reactive armor and then what we gonna do?
Whats the best gun to kill this Black person.
Probably a brown Bess if you’re not a homosexual
I have a leopard skin that my grandad killed way back in Rhodesia. It was amazing and then it had to be fumigated by customs to get it into my country in the 80s and now it its fricked as all frick. c**ts.
legendary if true, but sad that it got all fricked up
Borduna or azagaia.
12 Gauge unironically
The one you can use efficiently
This is probably the most boring ar build I have ever ever seen
At least there's no carry handle
All AR builds are boring
Hogs technically do have armor. It has been know to shrug off 7.62 nato.
Shot plenty of hogs with 5.56, never had an issue. Most ppl will just b***h that it's not the most humane round, to move up to .308 and other higher calibers.
will a 223 work as well against hogs
Plenty hogs got ded from .223
Lightweight AR15 build, for example 450 bushmaster (good for big and dangerous game) upper and mags for big game and defense, 22lr upper and mags for small (most uppers weigh about 2-3lbs). There's also adapters that allow you to swap a barrel and caliber rather than the entire upper with a simple button push as long as the calibers use the same bolt (such as .223 and .300blk/.300HAMR), and .223 can be hot loaded (55gr @ 3200fps 16") or down loaded to make it a glorified 22lr (55gr @ 1000 fps). Otherwise any 12ga.
20 inch ar15
I agree that a pump shotgun is exceptionally versatile and reliable, and if in an emergency I had to parachute out of an airplane into the Canadian or Alaskan wilderness (or any other place with griz or polar bears) it would be my first choice. Every other legitimate survival scenario is factor dependent. Even in the most griz infested wilderness in the lower 48 I'd seriously consider a handgun simply because I should be able to hike out in a few days, and light is right when hiking out to safety and a pizza.
Contrived survival scenarios such as hiking into the backcountry to live off the land would require studying up on the available game and choosing the right gun for that time of year, keeping in mind that game wardens, legit hunters, and random people will also be in the area. Consider the legal consequences before violating laws.
If I seriously thought that I'd have to shoot at a human to survive, I'd take a ar15 and at least three full mags. This is my go to firearm when car camping in places like the Great Basin or Arizona. If I'm just out for a hike in the national forest or blm I'll take a handgun and keep it concealed.
S&W 500 with Daedric rounds
>Not using the superior .500 Bushwacker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.500_Bushwhacker
Remington Rolling Block.
Good shit, although the medium trigger is uncomfortable according to some people
>cheap gun that doesn't do anything particularly effectively
No.
What do you want the gun for? Protection from dangerous animals/serial killers? What kind of dangerous animals? Bears, snakes, pigs? Is it for hunting? Hunting what? Just for plinking?
Scout rifles are intended as PrepHole rifles. A guy named Jeff Cooper has lots of material on them.
Scout rifle concept is dumb and is a relic of a time before quick detach scopes were common place a normal rifle with irons and a regular eye relief scope is superior in every way.
I like it. Its light and short, i dont eve realize its there.
>Scout rifle concept is dumb and is a relic of a time before quick detach scopes were common place a normal rifle with irons and a regular eye relief scope is superior in every way.
Son, quick-detach scope rings have been around ever scopes were developed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_rifle
Personally, I'd take a CZ 527 in 7.62 Soviet as a perfect "outdoors rifle".
>Personally, I'd take a CZ 527 in 7.62 Soviet as a perfect "outdoors rifle".
we were spoiled for years in canada being able to get a SKS for under $200, 7.62 soviet is a great caliber
spoken like someone who has never lugged a 7 pound rifle around for ten hours
>7 pounds
You ultralighters make me laugh
t. saw gunner
>DEER, FOUR O'CLOCK!
>THUKADUKADUKADUKADUKA!
>SHIT, WE GOT SIX ULTRALIGHTERS, AND THEY'RE PACKIN BLUETOOTH SPEAKERS!
>THUKADUKADUKADUKADUKA!
>takes drag of cigarette
>Damn, I love being PrepHole
Bro, I was an 0311 and though I didn't carry a SAW I carried a 10lb rifle once you factor all the shit that was strapped onto it. And I'm a big guy (4you), and though it's doable... The real question is... Why? I'm not expecting combat in the woods, and if I do have to shoot someone, what are the chances a 6lb rifle won't serve me well, but a tacticooled or heavy rifle will be what saves my life? If you really served and aren't LARPING then why put any more unnecessary wear and tear on your body? We already got mega fricked for going infantry
I was trying to make a joke, anon. You probably couldn't hear me snickering over the sound of my destroyed joints all grinding together.
I plan on getting a double function scout/lightweight deer hunting rifle setup for myself, since I live in a shitty country and semiautos are verboten
thinking on a mossberg mvp patrol, a 1-6x lvpo, and a good sling.
Cooper and Elmer Keith were fricking idiots
62 cal smoothbore fusil and/or a 75cal brownbess.
You can shoot shot, buck and ball or round ball. Accuracy after 75-100 yards is questionable however but versatility is best.
The 62 is equivalent to a 20guage shotgun bore diameter while the 72 is closer to 12 guage. A pound of blackpowder is like $30 and I get well over 100 shots out of that pound and lead for balls I scrounge from lead wheel weights, car batteries, and old lead pipe. Its cheap.
Nobody questions you when you are wearing buckskins, and dressed like it 1790. That and an old blackpowder gun seems far less intimidating. Or if they do they are curious about your set up and history.
Just like the founding fathers intended
Reminds me of that old PrepHole story of the guy who found a lost kid while larping in the woods as a mountain man. The guy dropped the kid off near rescuers and slipped away because of his gun, and later heard on the radio about the kid being saved by a ghost.
Rossi makes a very affordable one shot .410 which is completely do able for your needs.
I live in the Cushington valley North of Basidium city near the Rockies. i paid 1200 dollars for my trusty Griddentop Bearstriker 45'. this sucker brought down even the most ferocious wild Muhamawk bears. i can absolutely recommend for PrepHole anons
For me it's a close tie three way between a side-by-side shotgun, a 10/22 and a large calibre handgun. They all have their perks and it depends on your goals.
For self defence, a shotgun obviously has the stopping power. But if you're bushwhacking, a long gun can be clumsy and difficult to handle, not ideal for tight quarters. good luck shooting a mountain lion or bear with a shotgun when its already on top of you. In many places, a sidearm is basically mandatory for folks that live/work in parks with big game. 10mm, .44 or .357.
Honourable mention is something like a bush gun, a lever action in 45-70 or some such. But that's sort of overkill in my opinion. Would certainly have a good chance of stopping a charging moose or brown bear. But it has the same limitations as a shotgun.
And I include .22lr just because it's lightweight and perfect for small game. If self defence isn't a concern, a 22 will do most jobs just fine.
>single shot/break action
moronic. Literally no benefit over a pumpy or lever action if you want to LARP beyond a little weight saving. If you need chokes for some reason a SxS is a better choice.
Just bring a Tec-9
If I had to choose a single gun that would have to serve all purposes I would go for a shotgun. You can hunt anything with a 12ga. It's also good for self defence. If not in a fricking war, most gunfights happen within effective range of a shotgun. My personal choice would be a side-by-side because I prefer the traditional look
For me its a tikka t3x superlite in 7mm rem mag
I might get a tx3 someday soon. It's definitely on my list. The only reason my '06 is a Weatherby and not a Tikka is the slow rifling on the Tikka; I wanted to be able to shoot 200 grain bullets and Tikka's twist is 1:12 not 1:10. But a 200 grain bullet in a lightweight 30-06 would be punishing so frick it.
Its actually 1 in 11 twist. But also, shooting 200gr bullets out of an 3006 is completely unnecessary and stupid. Get a 300 win mag or a 300 weatherby mag if you wanna shoot 200gr bullets
The 3006 was made to shppt 165gr bullets the best. It doesnt have the powder capacity to really push those huge bullets well.
Hell get a 375 h&h.
Tikkas are hella nice though
akm underfolder, is good for everything
I sort of agree but it would depend on where I'm at. Since this is mostly a North American board I'll assume we're talking about 'Murica, since Canada and Mexico banned nice things.
IF I was camping in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem or the northern Continental Divide, and IF I wasn't backpacking, then hell yes an AKM would be nice. I love bears but I can't predict bear behavior, especially habituated bears. I've backpacked in Yellowstone and the Tetons quite a bit; at night when you're in your bag in a small tent your own mortality weighs heavily on your mind.
Apart from this I'd take a lighter and hopefully more concealable gun. Nothing wrong with an AKM for a solid self defense weapon but my lightweight AR is lighter than my AKM, and damned if I'm carrying an AR on a 12 mile hike. But you do you and I'll give you a thumbs up if I see you on the trail.
I’m looking at buying an sks for times where I need a reliable rifle with a few shots but I mainly carry a double barrel 20 gauge while on my land, 00 buck. I’m trying to get my CCW but NY makes it damn near impossible
I have an old break action 12 gauge and it isn't fun to shoot or practical at all. shit will wreck your shoulder and it's heavy as frick. If you're set on a rifle, bolt action 30-06 for or a .22 for small game are both good starting places and you can get them cheap at any pawn shop. Get a cleaning kit and learn to maintain them. Sometimes I carry a snubnose .38 or .22 in the front pocket of my pack but thats mostly because they're fun plinkers and I shoot the odd cottonmouth with them when I'm on the river.
Problem with adapters is you'll never have it with you when you need it.
Personally I'd get two guns, a .22lr and a shotgun. Just about everything you'd want to hunt you can hunt with those. If you want versatility in one gun go with a Double Badger, M6 Takedown, or Savage 42. All break action for reliability, all rifle/shotguns. 22lr and .410 is most common, but a few other mixes exist. There's one out there I can't remember that does crazy shit like .30-06 and 12 gauge, but I think they were pretty pricey and not the most useful unless you think you'll run into a bear while duck hunting.
a small takedown .22 like a chiappa little badger is less than 3lb and lets you put meat in the stew pot
Silly question, but how hard is making stew? I've been getting into hunting small game recently but haven't made the plunge to do it as I'm shit at cooking
It's easy. You just make soup, then add flour.
meateater.com has a ton game of recipes, I've made this one with snowshoe hares and it turned out fantastic
https://www.themeateater.com/watch/6175335001001/hank-shaw-and-steven-rinella-cook-up-a-sardianian-hare-stew
Just had a quick look at this, this website seems like an incredibly useful resource, thanks anon. Where do you learn to skin and prepare game for the pot? Are there books or similar websites?
youtube, state/provincial hunter's education books/apps, meateater has several excellent books as well. if you have netflix there's a bunch of seasons of their show on there too
I have this. There's a second book that accompanies it. While informative they aren't the most useful for an average PrepHoleist. They are geared to hunters taking large game home and processing/cooking it. I wanted more taking small game in the woods and processing/cooking it beside a campfire.
Good books, but not as useful as I would have liked.
>volume 2: small game
>is geared to large game
wut
The ones I'm finding are entitled vol 2: small game and fowl. Do you know if there's a big difference between the two in terms of quality/negating info on small game in favour of birds? Bought it either way just curious
seems like vol.1 is for large game (deer, hogs, etc) while vol.2 is for small game (birds, rabbits, squirrel, etc)
It's just boiling random shit. Try this:
>Chop some onions, garlic, carrots, and any other vegetable you want. Just about anything goes. If you're missing one of these ingredients it's fine. Mushrooms are also nice. I usually use half an onion, half a carrot, and two or three garlic cloves.
>Put the veggies in the pot with some tallow, butter, or oil.
>Set to a low to moderate heat and stir it a little every now and then so it doesn't stick
>Measure about 250 ml or 1 cup of water with a bouillon cube(veg flavor works with anything, but having a beef cube with fish and vice versa is weird). Make sure to crush the cube so it dissolves.
>Increase heat so that it's boiling but not a violent boil. Think boiling eggs.
>Optional for fish: Add about 5 cl (a shot is 4 or 6 cl) of white wine.
>If boiling meat(not fish), add it now, as it will take a long time, maybe hours even, for a tough meat to tenderize.
>Crush a teaspoon of thyme with a mortar and pestle or just your fingers and add it to the pot.
>Optional for fish: Add 5 grams or one packet of saffron.
>Add some salt, pepper, and chili if you like it spicy.
>Optional: cut off the skin of a large tomato and put it in. It will dissolve into the soup.
>If making a fish stew, add the fish now. It should only take a couple minutes for a white fish to boil.
>If adding shrimp or similar crustaceans, add them at the very end since they'll become rubbery if boiled for too long.
>Optional for fish: Add cream, milk or whatever at the end after turning off the heat and gently stir it in as you pour. It's important that the soup isn't too hot to prevent the cream from separating. If the cream separates the oil in it will rise to the top and won't mix well.
>Optional for fish: Add dill on top after serving.
glock 19 for general use or a glock 20 in grizz country
whenever I bring my family or go by myself to the backwoods, my trusty Mossberg 12GA is right beside me, with a mix of shell types strapped to it for whateer scenario might present itself.
Remmington 870.
Small enough to fit in a backpack. Good brand. You wont get raped by smokey if you miss since its not a single shot. Being a shotgun, you can load it for birds, bears, and anything in between. Legal in most states. Sold without a stock, but first time I shot it I could hit things out to 20yards. Adding a stock is illegal, but probably can be gotten away with to quadruple your effective range. Practice allows you to hit tgings further our as well (duh).
>sold without a stock
>adding a stock is illegal
wut
It means he either got a shotgun with a pistol grip, or a raptor grip like pic related. Putting a stock on it would turn it into a Short Barrel Shotgun, which requires a 200 dollar tax stamp. I prefer raptor grip myself.
>not buying a stocked 870 and an extra short barrel to add when the stamp gets approved or you stop caring
ngmi
I really don't care much about shotguns, I do own a 590 shockwave for shits and giggles, also say "I keep this handy, for close encounters" as I rack it.
I like to keep this handy* I fricked the line up.
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OP you are a moron. The answer is Glock 19. If you're in bear country the answer is Glock 20. If you're hunting you ought to elaborate on what sort of game you're going after.
I want to go camping and dont get mauled by a bear what gun do I need
Also killing skinwalkers
Deagle in .50 American Express
>Skinwalkers
You all really need to shut the frick up about this crap. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SKINWALKERS.
It is literally just your imagination, nothing is out there to get you except bears, cougars, maybe a crack head. How about this, let's say Skinwalkers were real, which they're not, they mean you no harm, we just want to be left alone and live a happy life.
>said the skinwalker
Savage model 24 if you can find one. I've killed more rabbits squirrels and doves with my kids old singleshot rossi 410/22lr combo than anything else I have over the years. Breaks down into a bag to carry around with you and gives you the ability to kill just about anything if you're hungry.
>>>/k/
A few places I have hunted have stipulations about being shotgun only, steel shot only, or even mandating that single shot firearms aren’t allowed so as to insure game animals die quicker, although the logic on this one is dumb, given that reloading a single shot smokeless is fast compared to closing distance to game on foot or just having a dog finish it off.
Anyways, tailor the gun to the outing and read.
Best all rounder is a double O/U with adjustable chokes.
>mandating that single shot firearms aren’t allowed
>>even though anti-gun lawmakers are pushing hard for single shot firearms
God dammit I hate this fricking clown world so much.
Hunting is much more regulated than what you can shoot 2 legged problems with.
But like I said, not all places are like that with restrictions but just a single area sometimes.
Where did you hunt that banned single shots for hunting?
here's mine
Why would you want a single shot gun? wtf brah
this is the worst option of all
just go for this simple winchester 357 it won't fail you, it is light, cheap, good and fun
This
Old western guns are the best PrepHole guns. Most work with blackpowder that you can make yourself.
Would this be sufficient for stopping a bear?
If it's already charging you then not really no.
Shot placement is king.
You get 21 tries at least, and with an incredibly spicy .22
No. Everyone on PrepHole knows bears are bulletproof.
They're just thick. Thick fur, thick skin, thick fat, thick organs. All the way through.
That's why you need hardened ammunition for bears. That's more important than caliber although you should still have 9mm at the least.
i'd feel comfortable with around the ball park of 10mm for hiking in bear country or w/e.
if i'm going somewhere with a sizable grizzly population, nah, i'd call that the absolute bear minimum.
even like 9mm and .22 has been shown to be pretty effective but the less powerful of a round you use the more shot placement matters as anon alluded to. the less you take, the less its going to be useful in a panick/surprise situation, which bear attacks can sometimes be. but you'll be able to kill a bear you see coming with even a 9mm fine.
https://archive.org/details/bearattackstheir00herr
this book (your library probably has it too) has good info on ballistics in context of bear attacks. little old but probably the most evidence based and least opinionated takes you'll get on it.
I have a h&r pardner single barrel break action that I love taking squirrel hunting.
Depends where you live. If you have any dangerous animals around you, consider a lever-action 45-70. It'll kill anything you need it to and (at least in my experience) its a very reliable and easy to use gun. I have Henry and I've never had a problem with it.
20ga > 12ga for general PrepHoleing unless you're doing something specific imo
the gun itself is lighter and a bit smaller, which is always good
and you can load it to have the same velocity as a 12ga with slightly less shot
tl;dr is you're always going to be making a conscious decision between how much shit you're willing to carry and how certain you want that first shot to place and kill it.
bears attack you when you're sleeping sometimes, so if you roll with a rifle or shotgun or you're hunting, a sidearm's a good idea.
smaller calibers will always be more useful for survival type situation imo, at least if you're alone, counting on big game isn't the best game plan for that. so that's also something to consider if you're into that or hike the sorts of places you could get lost/injured/???/etc for long periods of time and not want to die i guess.
Some kind of rifle or shotgun, a handgun, and a 22lr conversion kit to go along with it. That pretty much covers you for just about everything PrepHole related.
Pistol with ball ammo. Shot placement will do you more than anything. It's lighter. You can carry it in town concealed. You don't have to worry about overkilling small game. 9mm's killed more bears than any other cartridge.
>M9A3
Based. Best guns for all purpose roles.
>Small grip makes it easy to carry and not print
>Still full size so it shoots very well, good enough for competition shooting
>Reliable
>About as lightweight as you can get with an all metal gun
>Amazing trigger with just a few cheap parts swap, original trigger is still decent
>Safer system than strikers with light triggers and no safeties
>5 inch barrel to maximize fps for custom woods loads (though I just use 115g RN or 124g NATO ball)
I take my 22lr conversion kit along to plink with it or hunt small game. Many hare, squirrels, and certain avian game have been hunted with muh retta. A brick of 500 rounds of 22lr weights next to nothing compared to 500 rounds of 9mm or 556. Not to mention it's small size, though I prefer to take 250 rounds of 22lr to save on weight.
>9mm killed more bears than any other cartridge
But it didn't.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/04/update-of-pistol-defenses-against-bears-123-cases-98-effective/#axzz83u6n0f00
Though you did correct him and you're technically right, I think his overall point was caliber doesn't matter much. Those numbers show there's clearly not enough data to make much or any inferences on caliber performance on bears. People have been carrying 44 magnum in the woods SPECIFICALLY for wildlife defense longer than they've been carrying 9mms for bear defense (due to mistrust in wonky low capacity and unreliable semi-autos from the past with weaker loads). Now 9mm is becoming, if not, has flat out become the most common woods cartridge regarding wildlife handguns since people are simply carrying their CCW piece.
That being said, 37 cases all successful is a pretty neat number. I don't live in bear country, but if I did, I'd probably split the difference and get something like
15 rounds of 10mm loaded to 357 mag tier levels makes for a pretty neat woods gun. I'm jelly anon. How do you carry your pistol? OWB or some type of chest carrier?
I've been carrying pic related with 45 super on a Blackhawk serpa OWB. I am sending a 230g FMJ round at almost 1200 fps out of this bad boy.
.45 @ 1200fps is pretty fricking devastating...I just have an owb kydex holster. I'd like to pick up a chest rig sometime but kenai doesn't seem to offer any options for a weapon light on their holsters...not sure it really matters, but I like having the light on it since it tames the recoil even further. Pretty much feels like shooting my fullsize 1911.
Yeah a light on a handgun has a lot of pros, especially as an PrepHole gun. In the competition shooting world those lights are considered pseudo-match weights because they basically work like that. They definitely help control recoil.
Same problem here man. Made even worse by the fact it's a USP (in a weird model no less) so I doubt anyone will ever make a chest holster for my TLR and it's adapter. I used to work with leather so who knows, I might give it a shot myself. I know it's not ideal material nowadays, but it worked for hundreds of years so I'm sure it'll be fine provided I don't screw up the leatherwork. Only thing is I'll have to make a thumb break instead of relying on some very tight retention. But I might actually prefer that the more I think about it.
>I think his overall point was caliber doesn't matter much.
Oh I know, I still just wanted to post the pic. I live in burr country, mostly black with some brown bear, I take 9mm with 147 grain FMJ and feel like I'm carrying more than enough if Yogi wanted to try getting my picnic basket.
>Serpa holster
No thanks anon, too many ppl have accidently ND into their leg with those holsters, even ppl with training have done that.
I myself use a Safariland mid ride holster like pic related, it's just low enough that the hip straps won't interfere with it, with how Safariland does their set up, the holster doesn't flop around or throw your leg strides off. I did have a one of those chest rig holsters at one time, I stopped using it because mountain biking with it sucked. Instead of Glock, I prefer my M&P 2.0 compact.
>Serpa holster
>Push button to release firearm from holster
>Finger slightly bent during this action
>Finger slides into trigger well
>Continue applying pressure to trigger after this event
>Discharge firearm into leg
>Blame the holster
There is no cure for stupid.
There is a cure, it's called not use a shitty designed holster. Serpa Holsters are banned in a lot of police departments, militaries, also banned in a lot of shooting competitions due to how unsafe they are.
>banned in a lot of police departments, militaries
Makes sense, those are some of the most moronic people around that are carrying guns. You should be actuating the release with a flat finger, which is the same way your finger should be when drawing from any holster. It is user error. Kind of like how we have to have safety spouts on gas cans now.
It is user error, but when some draws a gun when adrenaline is kicking in you will death grip your gun, so it's easier to let that finger slip. There are plenty of safer options out there, you're out in the woods so you don't need multiple levels of retention, just a well fitted kydex holster will do that. If you did want retention, the thumb release ones are way better and safer than serpa.
Original anon you responded to. The reason people have issues with the serpa is because they don't read the instructions. It's literally as easy as keeping your finger flat against your firearm as you would when you have your gun out, but aren't ready to shoot yet. But no one reads instructions, so they literally try to press it with the tip of their finger like a button. This creates the inward pressure/hooked finger that can slip inside a trigger guard and cause an issue.
If you can trust yourself to keep your finger on the side of the gun (which anyone can do and is taught to do) then you can trust yourself to draw with a serpa.
Also the gun pictured I spoke about was a USP, the USP's have a VERY heavy initial double action trigger you have to consciously put effort to pull, they also have a safety. It's not like a Glock where and few pounds of accidental pressure on the trigger will set it off. Funny you mention the military. In the Marines we also used a SERPA, and no one had NDs, partly because again, they used a gun with a manual safety and a heavy initial double action trigger pull. This was the M9 and M9A1.
Serpas are pretty neat because they allow you to have a secure gun when you're moving about in the woods, but still give you the ability to draw fast without fumbling your draw trying to defeat a hood and lever. My brother also used a SERPA when working as an armed guard. He's one dopey idiot, but he never shot himself neither in a competition, qualification, or at work. I understand why serpas were banned by a lot of agencies, because the lowest common denominator, Glocks, and zero training don't mix well with the SERPA. So yes I can agree it's less safer, but among trained professionals it makes no difference. And doubly so with certain firearms.
>they don't read the instructions.
You're moronic.
Not him, but the SERPA literally comes with instructions, and blackhawk themselves have multiple videos on their website on how to draw with the SERPA. And yet, most people I've come across who had had one for work or even their own purposes, have ZERO clue on how to draw from it. They all push with the tip of their finger on the release level as if it were a button. You'd know this if you weren't such a moronic contrarian moron.
You do know they do that so they can't be held accountable? It's just like Liebeck v. McDonald's, restaurants started putting warning labels on the hot coffee because some dumb b***h burned herself and sued them.
Instructions are not the same as warning labels. You're right however that morons will shoot themselves by accident because they refuse to read a little white paper.
They are the same when the instructions include the warning labels, the fact they're actually giving you instructions plays more in their favor if a court case is brought up.
I been shooting for thirty years, one of my first holsters was actually a Serpa Holster, the biggest thing that made me stop carrying it was not the chances of shooting myself in the leg, but a piece of debris got stuck in the locking mechanism and would not disengage the lock. After that I found out how unsafe they are.
Also to add
>because they refuse to read a little white paper.
Blackhawk is 28 pages long.
I've heard of that happening. But I've also heard of hooded holsters having the hood lock up and/or the ALS spring break, they're not impervious to failure either. Any holster that has any sort of retention system can screw up. I've used a SERPA in the military and as a civilian without problems, and no one around me also encountered any of the problems that police officers seemingly seem to be the one's encountering. I only ditched my serpa because I started conceal carrying AIWB for general purpose, and when I go PrepHole I carry a chest rig/pouch that's much more comfortable, hidden from panicky normies, and still allows me a sub-second draw to A zone 7 yards from concealment. But if I had to carry a SERPA for duty all over again, I wouldn't mind. They are very minimalist. The only thing that I personally think is outdated about them is that they don't make light bearing models.
dude she had 3rd degree burns and had to get skin grafting..
Not my fault she's a dumb b***h.
Serpa is still a POS holster, there are plenty of better options out there.
If I blow my hand off with an M80, is it my fault for hanging onto it while it's lit or the Fireworks manufacturer for making M80s?
If they tell you it's a fun novelty and it actually has deliberate frag lining, it's the manufacturer's fault.
McDonald's were serving 98C coffee in inadequate containers.
That case had nothing to do with warning labels. It had everything to do with McDonald's keeping their coffee unreasonably hot because all the boomers will b***h it's cold if it isn't at least 250 F
you are literally victim of McDonald's PR propaganda. Eat another burger fatty
100% depends on what you are trying to do. If you are looking for hobo defense what you CC every day should be fine (Glock, sig, whatever). If you are hunting the classic standby of savages, Remingtons, or whatever else in 30-06 will be perfectly reliable. Bird hunting? Mossberg 500 series, rem 870 series, with longer barrels will do fine (double barrel if you want a little more of a challenge and BDE). If you are a schizo Mormon larper who thinks the last half of revelations will happen in the next 5-10 years, then bringing an AR or AK to practice and get used to it, your gear, it’s optic setup, etc is ideal. Obviously it will work extremely well for personal defense. I’m partial to the AR, but the AK would work just fine as well.
Picrel and scoped 10/22 will pretty much cover all your bases or center fire rifle with a mk target style pistol in .22lr...but there is no single best gun for out. Really depends on what you are planning to do.
22 hornet is all my pappy needed
So I’ll tell you like I tell my customers: it’s all dependent on what you wanna do. But I’ll give you my opinions that you can do with what you will.
First off there is no one end all be all firearm for the outdoors. There’s always going to be positive sand negatives to whatever you bring with you and you need to carefully consider every possibility you may run into. For me, Savage makes a compact 300 blackout with a threaded barrel. I carry this fricker everywhere and I consider it my main “work gun” because I use it the most. The ammo variety is very nice and I can make it work with any optic. I’ve even used a red dot on it for fricking up beaver dams. I’ve never had any problems with it and I’ve killed plenty of hogs, deer, and yotes with it. A good breakdown Ruger 10/22 to me is the standard for any 22 and I judge every 22 out there based on it. I’d say get the takedown just for the convenience. As far as shotguns go, Franchis fricking rock and aren’t as expensive as benellis. Remington 870’s are finally good again but the Winchester SXP might be the actual best pump scattergun for
hunting out there right now. For pistols I’m gonna leave that up to you but a Taurus TX-22 will eat any 22 ammo you feed it if you want a 22 pistols. I carry a tisas 45 1911 just because I can beat it up and not feel bad about it and I like it but realistically there are better choices. Glocks are always a good choice because you’ll never not be able to get new parts or mods for them, a Shadow System is a great alternative for them. Also, I think someone may have already mentioned it but revolvers do have their uses beyond looking badass but you’ll have to do some research on them. I like chest rigging a 686 in .357 when I’m actually in the water while I’m fishing just in case a black bear wants to frick around and find out and won’t take me yelling at it as an answer. Find what works for you and your needs and enjoy yourself pal.
I've found all the newer 10/22s severely lacking in quality control. Can't personally speak for the Taurus you mentioned, I want to give it a try myself but there's people saying they're unreliable as much as the people claiming they're extremely reliable, so it seems hit or miss. All semi-auto 22lr actions are rather finicky though. I've yet to find one that reliably feeds like any of my 9mm pistols which can all go 2,000 rounds without any malfunctions.
I'd suggest people get a DA/SA 22lr revolver like the LCRX. No feeding issues and you have 8 shots for sure. One has a problem? No problem. Just pull the trigger again and it manually revolves to the next instead of trying to diagnose the feeding/extracting problem, or worse yet a typical double feed on a semi-auto 22lr action.
Good choice on 300 blackout though, that does seem to be a good all around outdoor round now that I think about it. In many ways it's a more versatile 7.62x39
>I've found all the newer 10/22s severely lacking in quality control
Were these basic b***h models? I have a target, competition, and target varmint that are all relatively recent and they seem fine
.410 can be pretty versatile, used snakeshot for this but there's plenty of different kinds of loads
Maybe a Auto 5, with buckshot, and a 22 rifle or pistol, but that if you are planning to hunt as food source
I just love being a neo-feudal peasant with no rights in the glorious kingdom of EU.
You Americans sure are scary with your gun ownership.
I like black powder firearms. Can you even have those in the EU?
Of course you can (flintlock or single shot percussion at least). What you cant have without a loicense is the black powder.
However the black powder itself is very difficult to regulate as it's easily made with readily available materials.
What are you on about?
Muskets and the like are completely unregulated here. I can have just about anything. Even a suppressed fully automatic.
>Muskets and the like are completely unregulated here. I can have just about anything. Even a suppressed fully automatic.
We're de fuk u from? These days you need a loicense to watch a YouTube video containing firearms, let alone the ability to own and fire one yourself
Sweden
Bastard.
Sweds have some of the best( if not the best) rights protecting the individuals sovereignty in the EU. You where the only nation in the world more or less that wasn't initially forced into mandatory lockdown during covid. Later on your government did give in but initially you guys where free.
T. Envious irish gay
We never had a lockdown. That would be against our constitution.
Based.
I'm seriously considering moving to Sverige, might get a trucking job there...
I would honestly advice against moving here, for several reasons.
Over the past few years the parliament has been actively working to make Sweden a police-state, this by removing the need for court orders, warrants or even suspicion to perform surveillance or house searches, allowing the postal service (a private company) to open any "suspicious" mail without having to contact authorities, installing AI cameras in public spaces, expanding the police arsenal to include drones, introducing a vague law that criminalizes "intent to purchase narcotics" and due to its vagueness it could effectively criminalize encrypted messaging apps.
This barely got any coverage from any news source, despite the massive impact it has.
To top it off they were considering scrapping paper money in favor of a proprietary state-controlled cryptocurrency.
If you know how crypto works, then you know there's a blockchain that keeps track of every transaction.
Details such as time, date, quantity, sender, and recipient of the transaction is stored for as long as the blockchain is active.
None of this is false, the government either implemented or tried to implement all of this.
Thanks for the tip.
Draconian legislation like that is pretty common in Ireland also, even worse than these new measures being introduced to Sweden as you mentioned.
I have a relative who has american citizenship so I could potentially use her as an inroad to the US. So I've been thinking either scandinavia or rural America, like Colorado. Both have waaaaayyy better nature than the ' nature ' that exists in Ireland, Ireland today is essentially just one unending green field with nothing but grass and grazing livestock. Boring beyond belief.
>Best PrepHole gun
Famas
>Best PrepHole gun
The one you have with you
A .22 Ruger best for lots in it is for the shots or so I say