Myth. It was dangerously overpressure, out of spec ammo. Ammo that also destroyed a bunch of P226 frames. Nothing survives a diet of all nuclear proof loads. The hammer pin update was added only as a failsafe because the military had no idea how many bad batches were in circulation.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>DEBOOOOOOOOONKED!
The hot subgun load claim comes straight from Beretta.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Verified sources say you're a gay. The evidence is indisputable
Soldiers were b***hing about the long trigger pull, the bad safety placement, and the open slide design being a problem for years.
You're only dickriding Beretta because they're fashionable because the military dropped them.
it was because it was using a 20 pound hammer spring to ignite the worst of the worst primers
people can use 12 pound hammer springs, one of my guns has a 6 pound DA pull and a 2.5 pound SA pull, very good trigger with 200 dollars worth of work and parts. You could do most of that yourself if you had the patience
>You're only dickriding Beretta because they're fashionable because the military dropped them.
Nah, I shill Beretta because I'm a wop, you got a problem mate?
>the M9 wasn't DA/SA? if it was who gives a frick, wiener it
It dewieners on safe and the M9 hammer is not that big or tactile so it's not really practical like wienering a revolver hammer is.
>long trigger pull, the bad safety placement, and the open slide design
Skill issue. Grunts can't train or develop taste.
I shill Beretta because it's good. You shill the P320 because it's bad and no one would otherwise buy it. At least 92s don't fire when you fricking drop it
>No one with a triple digit IQ would rather have a P320 over a 92, anon..
see
Soldiers were b***hing about the long trigger pull, the bad safety placement, and the open slide design being a problem for years.
You're only dickriding Beretta because they're fashionable because the military dropped them.
I find it fricking hilarious how everyone was shitting all over the 92 while it was in service, now it's the sovl pistol and muh aesthetics >.
kys. you're either a glue sniffing gen z loser that was too young to realize that or you're a no gunz troon. everyone wants to be the contrarian to bear any semblance of uniqueness or originality.
The people who were shitting on it were the morons in the military who couldn't clean them and used faulty aftermarket magazines. Litterally everyone else loves them
Nobody cares what a bunch of grunts who were noguns before they enlisted think. Most of them only know about guns from the army and it ain't much. The Beretta has had decades of reliable service around the world with countless organizations. Grunts talking shit about it tell you more about them than it does the gun.
most people on this board are no gunz and are constantly seething about the bid not going to the 100+ mill more expensive option. so kys. 92 was the uncool gun for years and now the hipsters, troons, and instagram homosexuals are all over it. because now it's not the army gun. end of story homosexual.
Man, it's obvious you're not just pretending to be moronic. The Beretta 92 was the gun of choice for action heroes for decades.
"I feel the Beretta is a great character. It's so strong and elegant. The other guns look dumb to me. Also the good thing I like — how many bullets can it fire? Seventeen bullets? You can fire 17 bullets. When you continue firing it's like...the drumbeat. Like music." - John Woo
police officers carry them chambered, move around with them on alot, there are going to be vastly more accidents with police officers since they are the majority of people who carry them. and it has happened to sport shooters even, normal people.
the military does not (they also receive almost completely different guns (M17 =/= P320 internally)
Sports shooters use holster and gun combinations that aren't considered safe for duty carry. The holsters usually dont have retention beyond friction and the guns are modified and often not drop safe.
A police officer is carrying his gun 8 hours a day 5 days a week and doing a lot of active things while having a loaded and chambered gun on his hip and drawing and holstering it several times a day in a mundane manner. A sport shooter wears his gun for 3 hours once a week maximum in an environment where everyone is on high gun safety alert and his gun stays unloaded until he is right about to shoot.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just saying, competition shooters aren't directly comparable.
What is the most typically berettaer handgun of all Berettas currently available at fair price ? >want to buy a Beretta handgun >can afford a single one (1) >be euro Samurai Edgelord wannabe who asked questions last week >will probably never build a 1/1 SE because euro >still want a typical Beretta handgun >ideally some 92 with Brigadier slide and threaded barrel I guess ; can't find any
Let's say you can buy a single Beretta handgun ; it has to be a very distinctive one which makes you really happy.
Inox Brigs are still made new. They make them in batches and they tend to show up a few times a year. Look up the sku on gun.deals and just be ready to jump on one when they come back in stock. Simple as. Last batch I saw was in February.
What shotgun do you want or need?
Double barrel? Over/under? Competition? Hunting? Semi-auto?
People in North America love Beretta for their pistols but they have well deserved reputation for shotguns including the likes of Franchi and Benelli.
>What shotgun do you want or need?
I want a handgun.
Inox Brigs are still made new. They make them in batches and they tend to show up a few times a year. Look up the sku on gun.deals and just be ready to jump on one when they come back in stock. Simple as. Last batch I saw was in February.
>Look up the sku on gun.deals
Nonexistent outside the US. I just looked at what they sell tho, stainless Brigadier goes for $800. >check my own most famous online gunstore
The very same Beretta goes for 2200 €, no less. Yeah. Like sucks.
european boar hunters love that rifle and have too much money in their pockets. here they often have their guns cleaned after hunting at a gun store since the gun aspect is secondary.
Also in cucked places like britain that rifle is the fastest shooting centerfire rifle that you can get.
>made by room temperature IQ nogs for $18/hr
yeah, na. I live 20 mins from their factory. QC is so bad they’ve automated machines for deburing, basically take the machined slides/frame and run it thru a wire bush machine lmao
I’ve got one. Just waiting on a stamp. They’re expensive for what you get, but also very good quality. Everything fits tight and the action is super smooth. Interestingly theres a spring loaded ball in the top of the receiver before the chamber that snaps into a milled cutout on the top of the bolt. I doubt it delays opening during firing, but I expect it mitigates/eliminates bolt bounce. It is stunningly quiet suppressed. Military arms channel has a B&T P26 video (same gun basically) and that’s truly how quiet it is.
It’s a B&T P26. Beretta bought the design from B&T and changed a few things. It even takes B&T stick mags. The beretta mags are nicer though. The P26 was a “modernization” of the Tec-9 which shares A LOT in common with the PM12. But the PMX realy is more of a Tec-9 evolution than a PM12 evolution.
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It’s a B&T P26. Beretta bought the design from B&T and changed a few things. It even takes B&T stick mags. The beretta mags are nicer though. The P26 was a “modernization” of the Tec-9 which shares A LOT in common with the PM12. But the PMX realy is more of a Tec-9 evolution than a PM12 evolution.
I was really excited for the PMX when it was first announced, but I think Beretta really dropped the ball with it and it turned me off hard.
>no tri-lug >no stock availability >doesn't ship with irons >release price was crazy
Now that you can get them for around $899 after rebate, I probably would've jumped on that. But the >$1400-$1500 price tag on the gun on release was an affront. Maybe it's a mistake to not grab one right now, since I almost expect it to go the way of the ARX.
I’m the anon you’re replying to. I fully expect it to be a limited release. There are stock options. A3 Tactical offers non-picatinny folding stocks that use the receiver hinge. You can also order the original PMX stock from the right people. The Beretta store in Dallas sourced one for a friend. As for tri-lug, any 1/2x28 tri lug adapter will screw on the muzzle. You can also use a direct thread suppressor too. At $900 they’re a good price. I bought mine for $1,500 because honestly that’s not a lot of money for me and I still think they’re going to be a limited run. Sure not the $799 clearance price of ARX100s from 2018 (was that really 6 years ago now?), but $900 for a quality subgun is fine IMO.
Fricking nice. Can’t wait to get mine. You know about the Italian site that sells the stocks and vfg?
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You can get the stocks
I know you can use an adapter for tri-lug, but they have a mount on the actual military barrels...it just baffles my mind that they wouldn't have them on the civvy versions. Using the adapter is just adding unnecessary length. And I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to order the OG stock. I'm happy that you guys enjoy it. I still think it looks nice, it's just the handling of the civilian import version left a bad taste in my mouth. Especially in the day and age where SBRs and cans aren't rarities, but very common things in the gun community. It's this lack of foresight that has really screwed Beretta on some of their products. And I say this as a huge Beretta shill.
They make so much money on their bird guns and military contracts, I truly think their civilian tactical sales are like maybe high single digit percentage of their revenues with a low-ish OI margin as product lines. They just do it to keep up brand interest . Like Nissan’s Z and GTR for an automotive example.
>no tri-lug
in the US >no stock
in the US >doesn't ship with irons
in the US >release price was crazy
true
No offence but you burgers have some really dumb import laws
None of those have anything t do with import laws though besides the stock. There are other imported PCc’s that come with trilug, irons, and the companies then offer the stock for sale. Beretta just didn’t care enough to do any of that.
>Beretta just didn’t care enough to do any of that
Fair point but I can't fault them, the last few guns they tried selling to the US have all been snobbed as the market is already saturated by glocks and ar15s. They even clearly stated that sales to civilians are not their priority now as their italian factory (beside the shotgun facility) is booked for government contracts (arx200, PMX, A1, D6) till 2028
Fricking nice. Can’t wait to get mine. You know about the Italian site that sells the stocks and vfg?
https://i.imgur.com/T9H4GSs.jpg
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I was really excited for the PMX when it was first announced, but I think Beretta really dropped the ball with it and it turned me off hard.
>no tri-lug >no stock availability >doesn't ship with irons >release price was crazy
Now that you can get them for around $899 after rebate, I probably would've jumped on that. But the >$1400-$1500 price tag on the gun on release was an affront. Maybe it's a mistake to not grab one right now, since I almost expect it to go the way of the ARX.
https://www.brignoliarmi.com/calcio-pieghevole-pmx-nero.html
Also the iron sights but the beretta USA website has those now too
Add to cart and go through the process and hit continue to payment. Then close out of the tab, wait 24-48 hours for a 10% off code in email.
I paid $1500 if you read the thread. Its just that the difference between $800 and $1500 isn’t a lot of money to me. So it’s whatever. I also happen to collect Italian guns in general.
its still 1200 dollars for simple blowback, it doesn't even have the buffer system the GHM/APCs have. its got quite possibly the worst value of any PCC on the market.
It’s under $1k currently and there is a $150 rebate on top of that. Also I don’t give a frick, I’m not poor and I buy things I like. I already have a MP5K, I had a scorpion evo, and nothing else besides the TP9 and PMX interest me.
>Beretta, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Be-ret-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth.
I'm not a burger, but there's just no way of teaching double letters to English speakers. Beh (like "be" in "bevo"), reh (like "rè"), tah (like "ta" in "tavolo") is the closest you can get (with a pause between reh and tah).
during the 2015 eu directive talks them and all other gun companies that were asked (Beretta, Pedersoli, Glock, HK, Sako, Walther, CZ etc) were in favour of a ban of all semiautomatic rifles resembling military rifles (b7 category) when asked by the b***h Laura Comi.
no, it's ugly as sin and overpriced (1400 euro here for some fricking reason). I want a PCC but I think I'll just buy an SP5 or an mke t94 before even considering the pmx. ( or just buy a surplus m12)
I'm even tempted to sell my 92x Perf as it shoots like a dream but the vertec frame keeps bugging me and I think I will like better a simple 92fs with the competition trigger assembly. After their whole new vertec lineup like the 80X cheeta and the 92X Beretta lost a lot of its appeal to me imho. I like the toblerone and the a1 but I already have a glock so even their polymer stuff is not attractive to me (beside the Px4)
Beretta is making so much money it hasn't bothered to offer an industry discount for years now. Even before the koof, they were winding down discounts.
LTT optimized trigger bar
https://langdontactical.com/optimized-performance-trigger-bar/ >The Optimized Performance Trigger Bar from LTT provides significant reduction in reset distance, improved double action, and a reduction in over travel on your Beretta 92/M9A1/M9A3 OR PX4.
13 pound hammer spring
https://langdontactical.com/chrome-silicon-hammer-spring-12-13-14-16/
chrome silicon trigger spring
https://langdontactical.com/92-chrome-silicon-trigger-return-spring/
few minute install
I would recommend the M9A3 dewienerer conversion but you can do that later, it's not easy and should be done in a big plastic bag because there are small parts under spring pressure.
I do not see any point in "getting good" with the stock trigger when it simply could be better for a very modest fee and will make you like the gun more. Silicon Chrome hammer springs will also last like 5-10x as long as your stock steel hammer spring. Just straight up removes a failure point.
After these I would recommend getting nice thin grips either from LOK, LTT, VZ, or Wilson Combat.
This will make your 92fs perform like a 1500-2000 dollar gun all day every day. Just follow those instructions and pay about 350$ in springs and such. Don't be moronic or low functioning autistic, higher the better and you will have a heirloom piece to enjoy for decades to come.
90 dollars vs 170 dollars. honestly yeah if he’s willing to spend 170 he should, since if he decides to upgrade from the 90 dollar set up, he either has to buy a complete TJIAB for 170 or the slightly worse 108 dollar (from Eurooptic) trigger group and use his LTT bar with it.
https://www.eurooptic.com/Beretta-92x-Performance-Fire-Control-E02568.aspx
If they made it 92 mag compatible, I would have bought one in a second. I already have a ton of them with my 92fs and Cx4. Glock mags are so cheap, cross-compatible with other Glocks and other carbines and plentiful as well. I don't mind the toblerone look, but it would require mags, a decent holster, etc that I don't already have.
Mine came with 3 mags. Beretta factory mags (MDS mags) are really damn nice. I don’t care about glock mag compatibility. I bought an APX instead of a glock.
Come on anon, at least try to read. I said 92 mag compatible. They did it with the Cx4, they could have done it with the APX as well. There are tens, if not hundreds of millions of 92/M9 mags floating around that could have, and should have been repurposed in the toblerone.
because the nano sucks too
Its a travesty that Beretta added the thing to the APX line when they could've just copied Glocks homework on the G43
1 month ago
Anonymous
Sounds like user error.
Also >copy glock's homework >when the nano/apx carry is smaller than the g43, g42, and p365 with the same capacity as both glocks and the nano came out a decade before
weak bait
1 month ago
Anonymous
Gun users don't care for the pocket gun size anymore now that everyone is redpilled on AIWB. The G43 wins by not having the trigger be shit like that long nano pull and shield mags bring the capacity up to par.
Beretta really just needs to copy the G43 and add better mags but they're too lazy and have been rehashing the same handguns for decades. The drawbacks are not worth the compromise in today's gun market, maybe in 2012. Currently, they are not producing mags for the Carry, so read that however you like. I'm appalled you're happy with it, but if it works for you that's great
1 month ago
Anonymous
>everyone is redpilled on AIWB
since when? I know almost a dozen people who carry and none carry appendix. I pocket carry my pico and sometimes iwb my makarov.
You're right about the trigger pull and mags, and if you're right about them letting it go, I would welcome a new p365 competitor. Like I said, it's my wife's and she likes it so ¯_(ツ)_/¯. it's at a gun smith right now being threaded for her carry can.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The holster industry has exploded with appendix systems and companies are being born just for appendix carry holsters. The dozen people you know have not maximized their concealment potential and are living in a cave
I carry a G26 appendix in the summer in short shorts with an ulticlip and have never been caught printing, but I've comfortably carried a MC2C as well
1 month ago
Anonymous
>appendix carry subcompacts
y tho? that's like putting a sns in a duty holster, for what benefit? >maximized concealment potential
my pico is smaller than my phone, it literally disappears even in jean front pockets, let alone anything loose. take the mouse gun pill.
plenty of kydex businesses start or die every day.
1 month ago
S.E.G.
Pico brother.
Seriously underrated carry.
1 month ago
Anonymous
thanks doc
1 month ago
Anonymous
>another mouse gun enjoyer
I love the swappable lowers. i was able to pick up on of the flashlight ones when they clearanced them out
appendix carry of a small gun is super easy and concealable, while appendix carry makes carrying larger guns easier it also applies to small guns
If I'd put a big gun there, why wouldn't I put a small gun there
The draw from appendix is smoother and I actually use my pockets for stuff I use more than a gun
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The one of your many pictures that made me feel sick
maximizing your concealment means hiding a bigger more capable gun better
I guess I'll try it if you guys are going to be so compelling lol
1 month ago
Anonymous
appendix carry of a small gun is super easy and concealable, while appendix carry makes carrying larger guns easier it also applies to small guns
1 month ago
Anonymous
If I'd put a big gun there, why wouldn't I put a small gun there
The draw from appendix is smoother and I actually use my pockets for stuff I use more than a gun
https://i.imgur.com/qsbrvnF.jpg
Pico brother.
Seriously underrated carry.
The one of your many pictures that made me feel sick
1 month ago
S.E.G.
>The one of your many pictures that made me feel sick
For whys?
1 month ago
Anonymous
The illusion was broken when I found out your guns aren't actually this perfect
1 month ago
S.E.G.
Most of them are in pretty damn good shape. But yeah, for some of my photos I remove little dings and shit. Sorry to disillusion you.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The sbal-pl is a superb light as well as assthetic. A shame its discontinued.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The one of your many pictures that made me feel sick
very gay and low-t take
1 month ago
Anonymous
maximizing your concealment means hiding a bigger more capable gun better
>92 is a fat brick of a gun with a DA trigger straight out of a GP100 >PX4 has worthless grips, abysmal reset and FTFs when limpwristed >APX does pretty much nothing better than its competitors but has less aftermarket >ARX has an abominable trigger, 12moa accuracy and is mega overgassed, basically unusable with a suppressor (because it only has normal and adverse gas settings)
the 1301 is probably the only 'combat' focused weapon beretta has thats actually a stand-out from its competition due to its weight-to-recoil ratio and ergos.
You're just as much of a moron for basing your opinion on products from how the userbase acts online
https://i.imgur.com/OXrzur8.jpg
>92 is a fat brick of a gun with a DA trigger straight out of a GP100 >PX4 has worthless grips, abysmal reset and FTFs when limpwristed >APX does pretty much nothing better than its competitors but has less aftermarket >ARX has an abominable trigger, 12moa accuracy and is mega overgassed, basically unusable with a suppressor (because it only has normal and adverse gas settings)
the 1301 is probably the only 'combat' focused weapon beretta has thats actually a stand-out from its competition due to its weight-to-recoil ratio and ergos.
>ARX has an abominable trigger, 12moa accuracy and is mega overgassed, basically unusable with a suppressor
what is the point of lying?
>the arx is fine once you get the short barrel! >oh whats that, they've been out of stock for years? oopsie!
meanwhile, 99% of ARX owner are stuck with the factory barrel. also if you are defending the gassing and trigger of the ARX in good faith you must not shoot any other guns.
Not that anon, but my ARX’s trigger is quite heavy, but otherwise very crisp. It’s not the best trigger, but if you have decent hand strength (and I know a lot of you don’t), it’s fine, especially for a basic b***h service rifle. As far as over gassing, I’ve heard this from time to time from people, but for the most part the lion’s share of ARX owners, including myself, find it to be surprisingly soft shooting.
However if you suppress it, it needs something like a huxwrx/oss or other quality flow through design. The ejection port on both sides means with a traditional can it blasts shit everywhere. With a flow through design it’s great.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>appeal to strength as a defense for a shit trigger >"soft shooting"
It shoots like a mini-14
2 months ago
Anonymous
No. Reading comprehension. I’ll spell it out for you. I refer to the trigger and hand strength. If it’s over gassed, not shit it doesn’t shoot great. But the vast majority of owners don’t report over gassing, and also note how soft shooting it is.
Nah, just calling it like I sees it. It’s hilarious, not cringe, to me that people say the shit you did. What do you think this is? MW or Walking Dead or something? Haha.
the idea that Beretta 92s have bad triggers must mean you're either no guns, shot one when you were 7 before you built up grip strength by jacking off, or are lying
Or the idea that PX4s have abysmal resets when with the LTT trigger bar they have ~2mm reset (just like the LTT 92), one of the best among DA/SAs.
The 92 is great out of the box. The upgrades just make it even better. People like to trick out their favorite guns.
1 month ago
Anonymous
nta but I believe the other anon was referring to the PX4. Specifically in regard to the grip tape and optics cut comments.
1 month ago
Anonymous
oh well, like every block competitor it offers better value and features. it has to or else nobody would ever buy it over the block.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The PX4 was meant to compete with the glock, but i feel like hammer fired, polymer framed pistols are in a league of their own.
1 month ago
Anonymous
No other “block” competitor is a DA/SA. You’re buying a PX4 because you specifically want a DA/SA. The only pistol it competes with basically is the P30 which the PX4 cheaper and has a better DA/SA trigger with mods, P30 could have LEM but so can the PX4 but no one ever talks about the PX4 Type C (constant action) that’s a similar prewienered hammer action to LEM. Langdon only has seen one of them and he’s a PX4 enthusiast.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The CZ P07, Grand Power P100 or whatever if you wanted a rotating barrel system, also the older FN FNX series too, all hammer fired polymer pistols, but they weren’t as good IMO.
1 month ago
Anonymous
People always forget about the sp2022
1 month ago
Anonymous
Sig PROOOOOOO
1 month ago
Anonymous
Most people don't think of it that way. They see small polymer handgun and the price. Therefore its a glock competitor. Having DA/Sa and a Hammer makes it better but it doesn't exempt it from competing. All handguns get compared to glocks even when it doesn't make sense because its a fricking toyota corolla.
>75 dollar trigger bar
To me, that’s an inconsequential amount of money for what it does. Honestly, when anyone is talking positively of the PX4 it probably involves Langdon parts. The stock PX4 reset isn’t abysmal either, it’s just that modern standards have changed.
The 92X RDO gets a copy of the Langdon trigger bar stock, but without the over travel reduction or smoothing.
I actually think the 92 trigger is great, at least the ones I've tried with the Xtreme-S trigger or whatever. I'd take it over most striker fired guns any day of the week.
When is Beretta going to add a thin, striker fired subcompact to the APX line? The Carry/Nano is garbage and I know they're capable of it. Hell, even Mossberg can put out a great microcompact.
Frame mounted dewienerer only lever. It’s fricking moronic and the only possible uses I see are competitive shooting.
Slide safety/dewienerer is so much better and it’s not even funny anymore. If you want a frame mounted safety or dewienerer you have lost contact with one of your two remaining brain cells.
>Beretta made glock >Better than a glock out of the box for hundreds less >Chassis system meme like the P320 >Limited aftermarket
What you save in the initial purchase, you’ll spend on a custom molded lydex holster, but you’ll still have a better gun than a glock made glock barring some more serious modifications.
Haven't shot the A0, but I own the A1 FS. Nice in the hand, very accurate and flat shooting. Great trigger but not the best. Thick and heavy slide, definitely built for duty.
Been reliable for every range trip and eats everything. Only had one hiccup with a shit magazine but Beretta fixed it for me. It is known to have a weird slide lock issue with failure to lock back, but has since been revised in recent guns. Aftermarket is ass since it won't fit any holsters made for the APX A0. The optic plate system is gay and you can only buy them from Beretta. I've found some stippled frames for sale in South Africa and they can't even ship it here.
I love it though, after owning Glocks and Caniks, so much that I bought a compact too.
>Thick and heavy slide, definitely built for duty.
it's because of a moronic requirement by the Brazilian government for their current army pistol proquirement program where they need to shoot 100k rounds without a single major part breakage.
>moronic
If you saw how huehues conscripts treat their guns you'd think it twice about calling it moronic. A gun capable of handling 100k rounds like the APXA1 will break after 10k in their hands.
>Best guns in the world >High demand >None available for purchase anywhere, supply warehouses out of stock
Can someone else make a gun that people want more?
You can get a PMX for ~$780 with a rebate right now. Even though I'm tilted by the PMX, I've considered it. Might wait a few more months to see if it drops even lower. I expect an ARX situation where they sell for dirt cheap and in 5 years you find them on GB for like $2,000.
the pm12 is better, I shot it full auto and the recoil was unironically similar to an airsoft gun. you could keep all the rounds in the 9 section of the target. the pmx being lighter doesn't let you do that.
Okay so what? I can’t get either in full auto. Bowman is bringing in more pm12 kits soon though so depending on how gay the semi auto conversion is I might do that. I ordered the PMX though, $796 after rebate.
>best guns in the world
>loses to sig in MHS trials
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA
They didn't even conduct phase 2 testing on the sig pistols. What kind of frickery is this
The same kind that got Beretta the contract initially after their guns kaboomed.
Wasn't that confirmed to be faulty ammo? I heard Beretta took the US gov to court over this and won.
The claim was that it was "hot submachine gun ammunition", which hardly seems like a good excuse.
Myth. It was dangerously overpressure, out of spec ammo. Ammo that also destroyed a bunch of P226 frames. Nothing survives a diet of all nuclear proof loads. The hammer pin update was added only as a failsafe because the military had no idea how many bad batches were in circulation.
>DEBOOOOOOOOONKED!
The hot subgun load claim comes straight from Beretta.
Verified sources say you're a gay. The evidence is indisputable
>being so superior that you don't even need round 2 in order to prove it
good work on stating the obvious you blithering homosexual
>being so inferior you need to shy away from testing
Yeah, their superior bribes did the job, not their gun. Not my clown gun not my circus
>conflating arms procurement bullshit with quality
No one with a triple digit IQ would rather have a P320 over a 92, anon..
Soldiers were b***hing about the long trigger pull, the bad safety placement, and the open slide design being a problem for years.
You're only dickriding Beretta because they're fashionable because the military dropped them.
I loved my M9 but the safety was worn to shit to the point of being useless so I could never keep one chambered.
I do love the M9 and was sad to see it go, but its trigger pull really is horrendous
it was because it was using a 20 pound hammer spring to ignite the worst of the worst primers
people can use 12 pound hammer springs, one of my guns has a 6 pound DA pull and a 2.5 pound SA pull, very good trigger with 200 dollars worth of work and parts. You could do most of that yourself if you had the patience
>You're only dickriding Beretta because they're fashionable because the military dropped them.
Nah, I shill Beretta because I'm a wop, you got a problem mate?
>long trigger pull
the M9 wasn't DA/SA? if it was who gives a frick, wiener it
>safety was worn to shit
frick is your armorer doing all day?
>the M9 wasn't DA/SA? if it was who gives a frick, wiener it
It dewieners on safe and the M9 hammer is not that big or tactile so it's not really practical like wienering a revolver hammer is.
>long trigger pull, the bad safety placement, and the open slide design
Skill issue. Grunts can't train or develop taste.
I shill Beretta because it's good. You shill the P320 because it's bad and no one would otherwise buy it. At least 92s don't fire when you fricking drop it
>No one with a triple digit IQ would rather have a P320 over a 92, anon..
see
I find it fricking hilarious how everyone was shitting all over the 92 while it was in service, now it's the sovl pistol and muh aesthetics >.
kys. you're either a glue sniffing gen z loser that was too young to realize that or you're a no gunz troon. everyone wants to be the contrarian to bear any semblance of uniqueness or originality.
The people who were shitting on it were the morons in the military who couldn't clean them and used faulty aftermarket magazines. Litterally everyone else loves them
Nobody cares what a bunch of grunts who were noguns before they enlisted think. Most of them only know about guns from the army and it ain't much. The Beretta has had decades of reliable service around the world with countless organizations. Grunts talking shit about it tell you more about them than it does the gun.
Grunts get issues beat to shit hand-me-downs that have been in service longer they have been alive, which clouds their perception of the pistol.
Exactly. They have no point of reference, show up to basic and get handed a salty POS. And that forms their opinion for years after.
most people on this board are no gunz and are constantly seething about the bid not going to the 100+ mill more expensive option. so kys. 92 was the uncool gun for years and now the hipsters, troons, and instagram homosexuals are all over it. because now it's not the army gun. end of story homosexual.
>sigger seethe
Keep complaining about troons until your sig shoots your dick off.
found the troon. you're no gunz so use a rope, troon.
Post guns now or kys.
He's not a SIG owner though. Even the name of the company is a hint, now dial 8
>Sexual
>Inversion
>Gun
>Penectomy (in)
>.320 (Seconds)
nice fanfic.
92 has always been cool
Dubs confirms 92=cool
Checked. And the truth.
>92 was the uncool gun for years
will you newbies ever stop pulling shit out of your asses?
>92 was the uncool gun for years
And this is the homosexual calling people no gunz
Man, it's obvious you're not just pretending to be moronic. The Beretta 92 was the gun of choice for action heroes for decades.
"I feel the Beretta is a great character. It's so strong and elegant. The other guns look dumb to me. Also the good thing I like — how many bullets can it fire? Seventeen bullets? You can fire 17 bullets. When you continue firing it's like...the drumbeat. Like music." - John Woo
Frick ya mudda
t. triggered brownoid
still frick(ing) ya mudda
Still a triggered brownoid
still frick(ing) ya mudda
yup. still brown and still triggered.
still frick(ing) ya mudda
yup. still brown and still triggered.
still frick(ing) ya mudda
yup. still brown and still triggered.
still frick(ing) ya mudda
How many people has the p320 shot on its own now?
stay on internet explorer
Amazing how this has only happened to police officers who have tons of reason to blame the gun
police officers carry them chambered, move around with them on alot, there are going to be vastly more accidents with police officers since they are the majority of people who carry them. and it has happened to sport shooters even, normal people.
the military does not (they also receive almost completely different guns (M17 =/= P320 internally)
Sports shooters use holster and gun combinations that aren't considered safe for duty carry. The holsters usually dont have retention beyond friction and the guns are modified and often not drop safe.
A police officer is carrying his gun 8 hours a day 5 days a week and doing a lot of active things while having a loaded and chambered gun on his hip and drawing and holstering it several times a day in a mundane manner. A sport shooter wears his gun for 3 hours once a week maximum in an environment where everyone is on high gun safety alert and his gun stays unloaded until he is right about to shoot.
I'm just saying, competition shooters aren't directly comparable.
Amazing how there are multiple videos demonstrating the thing is not drop safe.
Yeah, beretta was the only maker that lost. Sig seems to be getting a lot of contracts for pretty mediocre stuff.
>owner loses grip
>320 loses to gravity
>owner loses kneecap
America is the real loser here
This claim comes str8 from your ass
>implying burgers have any taste
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA
Say it again with me
>500 YEARS OF INNOVATION
>best guns in the world
>sits on the M9A3 design for years
>gets assmad when the Army drops them
the only company that's worse is glock
I want the PMX so bad bros
I want one so much bros
My very first pistol was ALMOST a Cheetah and sometimes I regret it. It was in great condition too, and fairly cheap at the time.
What is the most typically berettaer handgun of all Berettas currently available at fair price ?
>want to buy a Beretta handgun
>can afford a single one (1)
>be euro Samurai Edgelord wannabe who asked questions last week
>will probably never build a 1/1 SE because euro
>still want a typical Beretta handgun
>ideally some 92 with Brigadier slide and threaded barrel I guess ; can't find any
Let's say you can buy a single Beretta handgun ; it has to be a very distinctive one which makes you really happy.
Inox Brigs are still made new. They make them in batches and they tend to show up a few times a year. Look up the sku on gun.deals and just be ready to jump on one when they come back in stock. Simple as. Last batch I saw was in February.
What shotgun do you want or need?
Double barrel? Over/under? Competition? Hunting? Semi-auto?
People in North America love Beretta for their pistols but they have well deserved reputation for shotguns including the likes of Franchi and Benelli.
>What shotgun do you want or need?
I want a handgun.
>Look up the sku on gun.deals
Nonexistent outside the US. I just looked at what they sell tho, stainless Brigadier goes for $800.
>check my own most famous online gunstore
The very same Beretta goes for 2200 €, no less. Yeah. Like sucks.
Can you get a 92X RDO? Other than not being a Brigadier it has the right slide serrations as a Samurai Edge
>92X RDO
Yep. 1800€. I don't get it, as a no-berettagay. Are they all built in the US ? No italian production ?
92X RDO are made in the US, 92X Performance is made in Italy
92A1 if they still make them are made in Italy
Lubeanon (in Germany) has and shoots a 92FS Inox, you could probably get one of those.
92a1 is italian made, they are all right. Some fs versions too. The 92a1 for being able to replace sights and having a rail.
Or a compact one. You still get 15 rds with the mecgar mags
Ah sorry Anon, I assumed you were in the US.
Always get an Italian made beretta. The US ones are hit or miss just like most mass produced guns made in the US.
you guys are a fricking cult on this board
Real recognizes real. You other guys are fricking NPCs
> come for the pistols
> stay for the shotguns
What do you guys think about their straight pull, the Brx1?
I mean, I've always wanted something long range, I dreamt about having a bolt action, even a ww2 one.
This thing, looks horrible, but there is something about that action i find very sexy....are there 10 round mags
I can't wait for the .223/.300 BO versions
they already made a 3d printed adapter so you can use .308 PMAGs for it
In a world of great, affordable boltguns, why go all-in on a proprietary design that costs more and has no aftermarket
european boar hunters love that rifle and have too much money in their pockets. here they often have their guns cleaned after hunting at a gun store since the gun aspect is secondary.
Also in cucked places like britain that rifle is the fastest shooting centerfire rifle that you can get.
>made by room temperature IQ nogs for $18/hr
yeah, na. I live 20 mins from their factory. QC is so bad they’ve automated machines for deburing, basically take the machined slides/frame and run it thru a wire bush machine lmao
Then why did the paint dots on my sights and safety fall off within 30 seconds out of the box with a brand new 92fs?
I seriously doubt that considering the safety disassembly steps
the PMX will be mine
chuck?
Sneed
I’ve got one. Just waiting on a stamp. They’re expensive for what you get, but also very good quality. Everything fits tight and the action is super smooth. Interestingly theres a spring loaded ball in the top of the receiver before the chamber that snaps into a milled cutout on the top of the bolt. I doubt it delays opening during firing, but I expect it mitigates/eliminates bolt bounce. It is stunningly quiet suppressed. Military arms channel has a B&T P26 video (same gun basically) and that’s truly how quiet it is.
>p26
I tought the pmx was the modernization of the pm12
I thought it was a modernized Tec 9
literally all tube guns are the same
It’s a B&T P26. Beretta bought the design from B&T and changed a few things. It even takes B&T stick mags. The beretta mags are nicer though. The P26 was a “modernization” of the Tec-9 which shares A LOT in common with the PM12. But the PMX realy is more of a Tec-9 evolution than a PM12 evolution.
>It’s a B&T P26
pretty sure the PMX is just an M12 in a polymer shell
Nope. Even disassembles like a p26
You are wrong, it’s a p26 with some upgrades
I was really excited for the PMX when it was first announced, but I think Beretta really dropped the ball with it and it turned me off hard.
>no tri-lug
>no stock availability
>doesn't ship with irons
>release price was crazy
Now that you can get them for around $899 after rebate, I probably would've jumped on that. But the >$1400-$1500 price tag on the gun on release was an affront. Maybe it's a mistake to not grab one right now, since I almost expect it to go the way of the ARX.
>go the way of the ARX
I’m the anon you’re replying to. I fully expect it to be a limited release. There are stock options. A3 Tactical offers non-picatinny folding stocks that use the receiver hinge. You can also order the original PMX stock from the right people. The Beretta store in Dallas sourced one for a friend. As for tri-lug, any 1/2x28 tri lug adapter will screw on the muzzle. You can also use a direct thread suppressor too. At $900 they’re a good price. I bought mine for $1,500 because honestly that’s not a lot of money for me and I still think they’re going to be a limited run. Sure not the $799 clearance price of ARX100s from 2018 (was that really 6 years ago now?), but $900 for a quality subgun is fine IMO.
I know you can use an adapter for tri-lug, but they have a mount on the actual military barrels...it just baffles my mind that they wouldn't have them on the civvy versions. Using the adapter is just adding unnecessary length. And I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to order the OG stock. I'm happy that you guys enjoy it. I still think it looks nice, it's just the handling of the civilian import version left a bad taste in my mouth. Especially in the day and age where SBRs and cans aren't rarities, but very common things in the gun community. It's this lack of foresight that has really screwed Beretta on some of their products. And I say this as a huge Beretta shill.
I still prefer the Toblerone. 🙂
Nice guns though.
They make so much money on their bird guns and military contracts, I truly think their civilian tactical sales are like maybe high single digit percentage of their revenues with a low-ish OI margin as product lines. They just do it to keep up brand interest . Like Nissan’s Z and GTR for an automotive example.
>no tri-lug
in the US
>no stock
in the US
>doesn't ship with irons
in the US
>release price was crazy
true
No offence but you burgers have some really dumb import laws
None of those have anything t do with import laws though besides the stock. There are other imported PCc’s that come with trilug, irons, and the companies then offer the stock for sale. Beretta just didn’t care enough to do any of that.
>Beretta just didn’t care enough to do any of that
Fair point but I can't fault them, the last few guns they tried selling to the US have all been snobbed as the market is already saturated by glocks and ar15s. They even clearly stated that sales to civilians are not their priority now as their italian factory (beside the shotgun facility) is booked for government contracts (arx200, PMX, A1, D6) till 2028
Fricking nice. Can’t wait to get mine. You know about the Italian site that sells the stocks and vfg?
You can get the stocks
>italian site that sells stocks and vfg
I’m all ears, I assume they ship to the US if you’re mentioning them.
https://www.brignoliarmi.com/calcio-pieghevole-pmx-nero.html
Also the iron sights but the beretta USA website has those now too
Add to cart and go through the process and hit continue to payment. Then close out of the tab, wait 24-48 hours for a 10% off code in email.
Damn, they basically have a ton of spare parts too. Thanks!
oh shit this moron actually paid 1200 dollars for a WWII subgun in plastic furnture. enjoy your 60 dollar mags.
god the berreta peer pressure really does work
Why don't you have a Beretta anon?
I paid $1500 if you read the thread. Its just that the difference between $800 and $1500 isn’t a lot of money to me. So it’s whatever. I also happen to collect Italian guns in general.
It’s a B&T design dumb homosexual
its still 1200 dollars for simple blowback, it doesn't even have the buffer system the GHM/APCs have. its got quite possibly the worst value of any PCC on the market.
It’s under $1k currently and there is a $150 rebate on top of that. Also I don’t give a frick, I’m not poor and I buy things I like. I already have a MP5K, I had a scorpion evo, and nothing else besides the TP9 and PMX interest me.
So frickin' kino
>Beretta, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Be-ret-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth.
>Be-ret-ta
It's more like beh-rett-ah
Actually it's Beh-reh-tah
No. You americans always get double letters wrong. It's not bereta but bereTTa
I'm not a burger, but there's just no way of teaching double letters to English speakers. Beh (like "be" in "bevo"), reh (like "rè"), tah (like "ta" in "tavolo") is the closest you can get (with a pause between reh and tah).
Berettas are cool, the company not as they support gun control (like all big companies)
Do they actually support it or are you just saying stuff?
during the 2015 eu directive talks them and all other gun companies that were asked (Beretta, Pedersoli, Glock, HK, Sako, Walther, CZ etc) were in favour of a ban of all semiautomatic rifles resembling military rifles (b7 category) when asked by the b***h Laura Comi.
Are you gonna buy a PMX?
no, it's ugly as sin and overpriced (1400 euro here for some fricking reason). I want a PCC but I think I'll just buy an SP5 or an mke t94 before even considering the pmx. ( or just buy a surplus m12)
I'm even tempted to sell my 92x Perf as it shoots like a dream but the vertec frame keeps bugging me and I think I will like better a simple 92fs with the competition trigger assembly. After their whole new vertec lineup like the 80X cheeta and the 92X Beretta lost a lot of its appeal to me imho. I like the toblerone and the a1 but I already have a glock so even their polymer stuff is not attractive to me (beside the Px4)
forgot to mention, frame safety sucks ass. I much prefer the slide safety
Beretta is making so much money it hasn't bothered to offer an industry discount for years now. Even before the koof, they were winding down discounts.
I just got my first beretta pistol (a 92FS) the other day bros. Any suggestions for must haves?
Dewienerer to replace the safety.
https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/beretta-m9-g-dewiener-conversion-kit-EU00047
LTT optimized trigger bar
https://langdontactical.com/optimized-performance-trigger-bar/
>The Optimized Performance Trigger Bar from LTT provides significant reduction in reset distance, improved double action, and a reduction in over travel on your Beretta 92/M9A1/M9A3 OR PX4.
13 pound hammer spring
https://langdontactical.com/chrome-silicon-hammer-spring-12-13-14-16/
chrome silicon trigger spring
https://langdontactical.com/92-chrome-silicon-trigger-return-spring/
few minute install
I would recommend the M9A3 dewienerer conversion but you can do that later, it's not easy and should be done in a big plastic bag because there are small parts under spring pressure.
I do not see any point in "getting good" with the stock trigger when it simply could be better for a very modest fee and will make you like the gun more. Silicon Chrome hammer springs will also last like 5-10x as long as your stock steel hammer spring. Just straight up removes a failure point.
After these I would recommend getting nice thin grips either from LOK, LTT, VZ, or Wilson Combat.
>Asahi
Truly a superb light beer. Nice gun too. Tasteful anon, real tasteful.
This will make your 92fs perform like a 1500-2000 dollar gun all day every day. Just follow those instructions and pay about 350$ in springs and such. Don't be moronic or low functioning autistic, higher the better and you will have a heirloom piece to enjoy for decades to come.
If you are going that far, why not get the whole trigger job in a bag?
https://langdontactical.com/trigger-job-in-a-bag-92-96-m9-series/
90 dollars vs 170 dollars. honestly yeah if he’s willing to spend 170 he should, since if he decides to upgrade from the 90 dollar set up, he either has to buy a complete TJIAB for 170 or the slightly worse 108 dollar (from Eurooptic) trigger group and use his LTT bar with it.
https://www.eurooptic.com/Beretta-92x-Performance-Fire-Control-E02568.aspx
Criminally underrated handgun.
>be glock
>be nicer than a glock
>cost less
Yeah. I prefer the toblerone look, but the A1 is cool too.
jelly
If they made it 92 mag compatible, I would have bought one in a second. I already have a ton of them with my 92fs and Cx4. Glock mags are so cheap, cross-compatible with other Glocks and other carbines and plentiful as well. I don't mind the toblerone look, but it would require mags, a decent holster, etc that I don't already have.
>yeah but does it take glock mags?
Mine came with 3 mags. Beretta factory mags (MDS mags) are really damn nice. I don’t care about glock mag compatibility. I bought an APX instead of a glock.
Come on anon, at least try to read. I said 92 mag compatible. They did it with the Cx4, they could have done it with the APX as well. There are tens, if not hundreds of millions of 92/M9 mags floating around that could have, and should have been repurposed in the toblerone.
what does it do better than an M&P 2.0?
Does exactly the same thing for over $100 cheaper from a manufacturer that also has a reputable name.
>verification not required.
reputable name does not prevent them from putting out stinkers (APX carry)
Same goes for S&W, so whats your point?
this, the APX carry is absolute garbage, FTFs every other mag.
isn't the apx carry literally a differently dressed nano? how did they screw that up? my wifes nano runs great.
because the nano sucks too
Its a travesty that Beretta added the thing to the APX line when they could've just copied Glocks homework on the G43
Sounds like user error.
Also
>copy glock's homework
>when the nano/apx carry is smaller than the g43, g42, and p365 with the same capacity as both glocks and the nano came out a decade before
weak bait
Gun users don't care for the pocket gun size anymore now that everyone is redpilled on AIWB. The G43 wins by not having the trigger be shit like that long nano pull and shield mags bring the capacity up to par.
Beretta really just needs to copy the G43 and add better mags but they're too lazy and have been rehashing the same handguns for decades. The drawbacks are not worth the compromise in today's gun market, maybe in 2012. Currently, they are not producing mags for the Carry, so read that however you like. I'm appalled you're happy with it, but if it works for you that's great
>everyone is redpilled on AIWB
since when? I know almost a dozen people who carry and none carry appendix. I pocket carry my pico and sometimes iwb my makarov.
You're right about the trigger pull and mags, and if you're right about them letting it go, I would welcome a new p365 competitor. Like I said, it's my wife's and she likes it so ¯_(ツ)_/¯. it's at a gun smith right now being threaded for her carry can.
The holster industry has exploded with appendix systems and companies are being born just for appendix carry holsters. The dozen people you know have not maximized their concealment potential and are living in a cave
I carry a G26 appendix in the summer in short shorts with an ulticlip and have never been caught printing, but I've comfortably carried a MC2C as well
>appendix carry subcompacts
y tho? that's like putting a sns in a duty holster, for what benefit?
>maximized concealment potential
my pico is smaller than my phone, it literally disappears even in jean front pockets, let alone anything loose. take the mouse gun pill.
plenty of kydex businesses start or die every day.
Pico brother.
Seriously underrated carry.
thanks doc
>another mouse gun enjoyer
I love the swappable lowers. i was able to pick up on of the flashlight ones when they clearanced them out
I guess I'll try it if you guys are going to be so compelling lol
appendix carry of a small gun is super easy and concealable, while appendix carry makes carrying larger guns easier it also applies to small guns
If I'd put a big gun there, why wouldn't I put a small gun there
The draw from appendix is smoother and I actually use my pockets for stuff I use more than a gun
The one of your many pictures that made me feel sick
>The one of your many pictures that made me feel sick
For whys?
The illusion was broken when I found out your guns aren't actually this perfect
Most of them are in pretty damn good shape. But yeah, for some of my photos I remove little dings and shit. Sorry to disillusion you.
The sbal-pl is a superb light as well as assthetic. A shame its discontinued.
>The one of your many pictures that made me feel sick
very gay and low-t take
maximizing your concealment means hiding a bigger more capable gun better
dangle yourself with PMXs under your trench coat
>92 is a fat brick of a gun with a DA trigger straight out of a GP100
>PX4 has worthless grips, abysmal reset and FTFs when limpwristed
>APX does pretty much nothing better than its competitors but has less aftermarket
>ARX has an abominable trigger, 12moa accuracy and is mega overgassed, basically unusable with a suppressor (because it only has normal and adverse gas settings)
the 1301 is probably the only 'combat' focused weapon beretta has thats actually a stand-out from its competition due to its weight-to-recoil ratio and ergos.
>combat focused
Jeeeeesusfrickingchrist get a load of this guy.
>you're not allowed imply a weapon is for combat, that gringe!
non argument fueled by emotions
this is why people are annoyed by beretta spam
You're just as much of a moron for basing your opinion on products from how the userbase acts online
>ARX has an abominable trigger, 12moa accuracy and is mega overgassed, basically unusable with a suppressor
what is the point of lying?
>the arx is fine once you get the short barrel!
>oh whats that, they've been out of stock for years? oopsie!
meanwhile, 99% of ARX owner are stuck with the factory barrel. also if you are defending the gassing and trigger of the ARX in good faith you must not shoot any other guns.
Not that anon, but my ARX’s trigger is quite heavy, but otherwise very crisp. It’s not the best trigger, but if you have decent hand strength (and I know a lot of you don’t), it’s fine, especially for a basic b***h service rifle. As far as over gassing, I’ve heard this from time to time from people, but for the most part the lion’s share of ARX owners, including myself, find it to be surprisingly soft shooting.
However if you suppress it, it needs something like a huxwrx/oss or other quality flow through design. The ejection port on both sides means with a traditional can it blasts shit everywhere. With a flow through design it’s great.
>appeal to strength as a defense for a shit trigger
>"soft shooting"
It shoots like a mini-14
No. Reading comprehension. I’ll spell it out for you. I refer to the trigger and hand strength. If it’s over gassed, not shit it doesn’t shoot great. But the vast majority of owners don’t report over gassing, and also note how soft shooting it is.
See how that works?
Hey, nice to see someone saved my picture of that duo, haha. Old picture now, the APX has the steiner MPS on it and the ARX has a B&T RBS QD A2 on it.
>gringe!
Nah, just calling it like I sees it. It’s hilarious, not cringe, to me that people say the shit you did. What do you think this is? MW or Walking Dead or something? Haha.
the idea that Beretta 92s have bad triggers must mean you're either no guns, shot one when you were 7 before you built up grip strength by jacking off, or are lying
Or the idea that PX4s have abysmal resets when with the LTT trigger bar they have ~2mm reset (just like the LTT 92), one of the best among DA/SAs.
>just buy this 500 dollar gun, and this 75 dollar bar
>oh and this 300 dollar optics cut
>also this grip tape
The 92 is great out of the box. The upgrades just make it even better. People like to trick out their favorite guns.
nta but I believe the other anon was referring to the PX4. Specifically in regard to the grip tape and optics cut comments.
oh well, like every block competitor it offers better value and features. it has to or else nobody would ever buy it over the block.
The PX4 was meant to compete with the glock, but i feel like hammer fired, polymer framed pistols are in a league of their own.
No other “block” competitor is a DA/SA. You’re buying a PX4 because you specifically want a DA/SA. The only pistol it competes with basically is the P30 which the PX4 cheaper and has a better DA/SA trigger with mods, P30 could have LEM but so can the PX4 but no one ever talks about the PX4 Type C (constant action) that’s a similar prewienered hammer action to LEM. Langdon only has seen one of them and he’s a PX4 enthusiast.
The CZ P07, Grand Power P100 or whatever if you wanted a rotating barrel system, also the older FN FNX series too, all hammer fired polymer pistols, but they weren’t as good IMO.
People always forget about the sp2022
Sig PROOOOOOO
Most people don't think of it that way. They see small polymer handgun and the price. Therefore its a glock competitor. Having DA/Sa and a Hammer makes it better but it doesn't exempt it from competing. All handguns get compared to glocks even when it doesn't make sense because its a fricking toyota corolla.
Competition for the p30sk even
Sounds like a glock ownership experience to be fair.
>75 dollar trigger bar
To me, that’s an inconsequential amount of money for what it does. Honestly, when anyone is talking positively of the PX4 it probably involves Langdon parts. The stock PX4 reset isn’t abysmal either, it’s just that modern standards have changed.
The 92X RDO gets a copy of the Langdon trigger bar stock, but without the over travel reduction or smoothing.
If you have to appeal to grip strength to defend a trigger, its not a good trigger
I actually think the 92 trigger is great, at least the ones I've tried with the Xtreme-S trigger or whatever. I'd take it over most striker fired guns any day of the week.
If you don’t have grip strength you should not shoot handguns
Well how much combat do you see every day, Private Poser?
moron award
Lets not forget they made one of the best gun commercials ever.
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When is Beretta going to add a thin, striker fired subcompact to the APX line? The Carry/Nano is garbage and I know they're capable of it. Hell, even Mossberg can put out a great microcompact.
Not sure. The 80x is p365 xl sized, but .380. But I agree. Again, late to the party, but I bet it would be solid.
What would be a better longgun companion to a Beretta 92 .22LR conversion: a ARX160 or a Tikka T1X?
The market crashed but we stay on top
can I post mine again?
What's this new 92GTS do differently now that the 92 series didn't do before?
Frame mounted dewienerer only lever. It’s fricking moronic and the only possible uses I see are competitive shooting.
Slide safety/dewienerer is so much better and it’s not even funny anymore. If you want a frame mounted safety or dewienerer you have lost contact with one of your two remaining brain cells.
Man. The contrarianism is getting advanced.
Their guns were absolutely used in some very significant world events around the 16th and 17th centuries, so yep I'm on board their train.
Redbull me on the APX.
>Beretta made glock
>Better than a glock out of the box for hundreds less
>Chassis system meme like the P320
>Limited aftermarket
What you save in the initial purchase, you’ll spend on a custom molded lydex holster, but you’ll still have a better gun than a glock made glock barring some more serious modifications.
Haven't shot the A0, but I own the A1 FS. Nice in the hand, very accurate and flat shooting. Great trigger but not the best. Thick and heavy slide, definitely built for duty.
Been reliable for every range trip and eats everything. Only had one hiccup with a shit magazine but Beretta fixed it for me. It is known to have a weird slide lock issue with failure to lock back, but has since been revised in recent guns. Aftermarket is ass since it won't fit any holsters made for the APX A0. The optic plate system is gay and you can only buy them from Beretta. I've found some stippled frames for sale in South Africa and they can't even ship it here.
I love it though, after owning Glocks and Caniks, so much that I bought a compact too.
>Thick and heavy slide, definitely built for duty.
it's because of a moronic requirement by the Brazilian government for their current army pistol proquirement program where they need to shoot 100k rounds without a single major part breakage.
>moronic
If you saw how huehues conscripts treat their guns you'd think it twice about calling it moronic. A gun capable of handling 100k rounds like the APXA1 will break after 10k in their hands.
These threads are made to make beretta owners appear even more annoying than they are.
Not at all, there's a Sigger ITT
Remember the 'retta anon from /hg/?
Which one. There's like 8.
I was talking about a very specific anon that would post a single pic and just shit on berettas. Dude got laughed out of /hg/.
>Best guns in the world
>High demand
>None available for purchase anywhere, supply warehouses out of stock
Can someone else make a gun that people want more?
>Beretta, Benelli, Franchi, Uberti, Chapuis, Sako, Tikka, Stoeger, Steiner, Burris
Covers basically everything, sure they have their oddballs and crap like everyone else, but most of their offerings are solid to superb.
Pmx soon
PMX would be just fine if they didn't sell it for 1000+
I can build an ar9 for cheap or buy a palmetto ARV for $700
You can get a PMX for ~$780 with a rebate right now. Even though I'm tilted by the PMX, I've considered it. Might wait a few more months to see if it drops even lower. I expect an ARX situation where they sell for dirt cheap and in 5 years you find them on GB for like $2,000.
the pm12 is better, I shot it full auto and the recoil was unironically similar to an airsoft gun. you could keep all the rounds in the 9 section of the target. the pmx being lighter doesn't let you do that.
Okay so what? I can’t get either in full auto. Bowman is bringing in more pm12 kits soon though so depending on how gay the semi auto conversion is I might do that. I ordered the PMX though, $796 after rebate.
I picked up a 92GTS and it's pretty nice. Trigger is about the same as my friend's M9A4 which I also liked.