Why did it never take off in the US Civilian market? It seems like an effective rifle for an affordable price point.
Beretta ARX Platform
Why did it never take off in the US Civilian market? It seems like an effective rifle for an affordable price point.
>affordable price point
Like it or not, nothing can compete with $400 PSA and M&P ARs. Nothing else will ever take off because anything that's more expensive is a novelty to the average gun owner.
wait I thought they stopped importing them into US ?
They did, its going the way of the F2000.
why the frick?
Beretta is shifting production to the NARP platform, Italy will probably adopt it as the new service rifle.
>Italy will probably adopt it as the new service rifle.
doubt.jpeg. I'm kinda in the knows in this sector here in italy, unless their narp program somehow becomes an international success you will not see adoption for regular grunts any time soon as the previous procurement of the arx is still contractually bound. as of now the narp has been only given to some SOF groups here in italy and 3 other EU countries for evaluation and actual fielding only in 2.
>the narp has been only given to some SOF groups here in italy and 3 other EU countries for evaluation and actual fielding only in 2
Are you able to tell us what those countries are? Or will the italians throw you at sea with cement shoes if you did that?
Not the guy you replied to but I'd be surprised if the Albanian SOF didn't at least test it. they seem to buy literally anything that Beretta makes.
Albania is not in the EU tho, so I might be wrong
>Are you able to tell us what those countries are?
I'd rather not to be safe and not breach NDA as I don't know how many companies know about this. I don't want to risk a "it was one of your employee who divulged this and that cause we only told you"
Still, I think it will become public knowledge from BDT or the B holding in 2025 or something. At least that was the timeline for other unrelated but similar projects.
Being in the EU has no relation to Beretta giving you a product for testing unless they already had a procurement contract for more than 2 EU countries. In that case they need permission.
I'll clarify that fielding does not mean they adopted the rifle. Fielding here just means they aren't relegating the rifle to a shooting bench.
do you have any cool knowledge about the italian army/armed forces in general?
whats their quality level? is the incompetent gibs terroni true?
>do you have any cool knowledge about the italian army/armed forces in general?
No. I'm not in the army nor in any armed forces. I'm a civilian
i imagined that but if youre in the gun industry you might have some insights idk, or even if youre italian you might know some shit
not really, I never even did military service cause I was born too late, I know jackshit about what makes an army good or bad so I cannot chime in into something I don't understand. I can tell you I think the Ariete is a cool tank, but I don't even know if it's better than a vespa with a grenade in the exhaust cause my field is more torwards some technologies related to small arms.
either mechanical eng or metallurgist/material eng, or maybe chemist for powders
Any advice for anons interested in working in such a field?
remember that your digital footprint is eternal
Facebook and its consequences have been a disaster for the Western working environment
it's not limited to social media, they also check all your associated emails to see if you ever registered to some weird websites and the like. I don't know if it's like this in other countries but for my position they had a pre-pre-pre interview just to discuss my whole "persona digitale" (and I'm a simple employee)
>fat
>ugly
>expensive
>no aftermarket
>no discernible benefit over the million other rifles on the market
Not surprising that it never took off
I remember botach had them for like 600 bucks a while back
You are probably thinking of the .22 version
Back in like 2018 that shit was on sale at Academy sporting goods for 800$. Then a bunch of youtubers started pushing that shit and baretta announced they would "stop" importing them and they shot up in price.
>Then a bunch of youtubers
people keep mentioning youtubers shilling this gun but I can barely find more than 3 major channels that mention it.
I miss pre covid prices
>looked funny, looked heavy (it's not as heavy as it looks)
>lack of aftermarket, not as customizable
>not an AR-15, no AR-15 parts compatibility
the lack of aftermarket and parts compatibility is a non factor for military rifles (the intent of the design) since in huge contracts spare parts are included and guaranteed through the logistics chain. For the civilian it's a deal breaker since people like to customize their guns for their purposes and tastes and being able to drive to the gun store when they lose a part is an major advantage.
Met the same fate as all the other non AR euro platforms. Too expensive for the average user and not enough aftermarket parts for the gun autist. The gun is extremely underrated though and fun to shoot. Saw one at my local gunstore for 900 thinking about picking it up.
no one cares
if you made it the featured rifle in the next transformers movie alongside a plastic shitbox chevy(assembled in canada by turdies using chinese made parts) and a frumpy blonde with big milkers and lots of makeup you might get some traction, maybe throw in a few superbowl ads, and then give it to the dozen guntubers who all shill for the same parent company and now you're really making waves
it's almost like some of you aren't even on earth, like you can't see what's happening in real time or even over time
I blame the boomers. If it was released today zoomers would be jerking themselves over it. F2000 is a good example of how a specific time-frame could frick over a product like that.
Guns get popular in America because of movies, video games, TV, and military exposure. The Beretta ASS had none of that.
And because of youtubers. You also have to consider that only 3 years ago about 70% of current gun owners reached the age where they could legally own one. If ARX came out today it'd sell like hotcakes after every big guntubed made videos about it.
then how come the PMX hasn't sold like hotcakes?
I don't remember any big guntuber making videos about it.
only big guntuber who made a video about it was james. plus pccs are dead anyway. they still sold a ton to the previous m12 users but in the civilian US market they don't sell well and anyone who wants one would just buy a turk mp5
I'm getting one myself before it inevitably goes the way of the ARX.
>If ARX came out today it'd sell like hotcakes
Lol, I doubt that pretty strongly. It's just a basic b***h 5.56 rifle thats a bit overpriced and kinda ugly. Nothing that a million other guns on the market can't already do better
>You also have to consider that only 3 years ago about 70% of current gun owners reached the age where they could legally own one.
3 years ago the world economy was completely in flames and most people stopped being able to afford expensive hobbies like guns, let alome fricking broke ass high school freshmen.
>If ARX came out today it'd sell like hotcakes after every big guntubed made videos about it.
Delusional, its just a 5.56 gun, its not that interesting or cool and it has heavy competition from a sea of ARs, and every other Euro gun coming out like Polish Grot, Aug, VHS, etc.
Is the grot on the market?
>less than 10% of the population accounts for 70% of gun owners
okay bro
>bad trigger
>bad recoil
>uncomfortable charging handle (w/ aftermarket knob that flies off)
>bad accuracy
>zero consideration for suppressors
>6 different ways to reload but only one is actually good
only thing it has going for it is how lightweight it is.
I was always disgusted by it and was offended when a friend was pushing me to hold one.
I'll be goddamned it was the most comfortable gun I've ever held in my life.
Still didn't buy one though.
>bad trigger
>bad recoil
>bad accuracy
I don't agree from my experience shooting it, I didn't have those issues. All your other points are the reason why I didn't buy one.
Is that your ARX anon?
I agree with you on the trigger. Mines around 9lbs, but at least it's crisp, no travel.
Back in 2018 they were going for sale for about $800.
Beretta didn't really push it or support it in any serious way. The other barrels were unobtanium.
Everything Beretta makes which isn't a 92 or a shotgun is fricking hideous.
Costs a shitload and isn't better than or different enough from an AR
Simple as
theres one at my gun store for 900, should I get it bros?
Yes. I like mine and that's a steal for that rifle. If nothing else it'll be a good investment since Beretta doesn't seem to be exporting them anymore.
I can go through all the pros and cons but I'd be repeating what the other anons have already mentioned.
900 is a steal. They normally go for like 1500 or more
I think its "used" though, I did an inspection but everything looked alright to me, think I'll buy it tomorrow
bought it
I was kind of expecting you to come back with the 22lr version. Nice deal anon.
next step is to find a 10.5 barrel that isn't overpriced. I can just swap it out right?
Ya the whole front gas block comes out with the barrel. good luck though. Careful for scam sites. A buddy of mine has been looking for one since he got his.
good luck on your hunt. A coworker recently sold his ARX and NIB 10.5" barrel, he said that he paid more for the barrel than the rifle.
>affordable price point
Not when it first arrived on the market. It was late in their run to when they stopped importing them that they were actually a great deal, but of course that could only go on for so long.
Also bad triggers are a common complaint I've heard of, and personally the LOP even with the stock fully extended is just a bit too low to be comfortable.
>fewer locking lugs
Epin
Mostly because people are stupid about the original firearms company.
>500 plus years and going stronk
i dont even understand why the italian army had to choose that, just make an ar15 by beretta and youre done, best 556 rifle ever made, choose if you want di or piston and thats it, the arx doesnt have any benefits over the ar (folding stock maybe), it looks like ass and has a shitty grip on the handguard
I think it looks cool
Italian ACR at home
isn't it an ar18?
Why is the ejection port so big what the hell
Because it's hot swappable in the field to eject out the right or left. It's a button you hit with a cartridge tip.
It's hideous and feels like shit compared to a $1500 AR, without the parts commonality. This fate will be shared by every rifle that isn't an AR until there is a real game changing advance in small arms.
>an affordable price point.
It wasn't on the US market at an affordable price point until they put them on clearance because they weren't selling.
Most consumers are not willing to spend $1600+ on a plastic AR18 derivative that costs less to make than an AR15.
>NERF OR NOTHING
people chose nothing
For $1600 just get a Bren 2. You’ll need to put about $300 into it to get the aftermarket rail and the KNS gas regulator but it’s worth it. Now, for under a grand? Absolutely buy it, why the fug not?
Can't wait for boomers to sell these for like 3k on gunbroker