Argo gas system. Look it up. Can't make it jam by "overloading" it with an optic plus flashlight like most other cheap semi autos. Patent ran out and turks copied it but they cheap out on their metals so the pistons bend and frick your life up entirely.
Just because he can't lead for shit doesn't mean you can make fun of him. Dumping 6 bucks of ammo into a Bob white is a time honored American tradition.
Has happened a shit ton of times with cops who didn’t have moon clips/speed strips for their service revolvers. This shotgun is even slower to reload than a revolver. And don’t tell me it’s not a valid comparison
>I'm moronic and wrong, but please don't point it out
after 8 shots of 12ga you have influenced a gunfight significantly more than 6 shots of 38 special. you are a fricking moron for trying to cope that shit out, you no shooting gaylord. >No really I'm right!
Ok, name 5 cops that died reloading shotguns.
Getting into the habit of top up loading on the fly and between encounters and using shotgun cards over saddle loaders that you can rip and replace can mitigate a lot of the issue that comes with running a shotgun as a primary but I'd agree it's not ideal over a mag-fed weapon. Losing count of how many rounds you've fired in the heat of the moment is very common. There's a skill level to a tube fed shotgun that takes a lot of practice under duress because even the best can fumble a reload and that's a fumble that can cost you dearly.
>dipshit noguns says 12ga and 38 special are the same >gets roasted for being a fricking moron >poorgay recoilet seethe starts
we get it, you are a recoilet that can't handle 12ga and this is you lashing out at the sour grapes.
Has happened a shit ton of times with cops who didn’t have moon clips/speed strips for their service revolvers. This shotgun is even slower to reload than a revolver. And don’t tell me it’s not a valid comparison
>Has happened a shit ton of times with cops
they are either the same and the analogy works, or they are different and you are the dumb noguns Black person that cant name any of the shitton of cops that died reloading their shotguns.
because it didn't happen, because gunfights don't last into the double-digit 12ga shell expenditure levels.
so shut the frick up you stupid Black person.
You just lack reading comprehension, my ESL friend. I meant they were killed trying to reload individual cartridges in their revolvers. But you knew that. I suggest blood pressure medication. Your level of anger is unhealthy.
ok, what are the names of all the cops that died reloading their shotguns? because they have the same crippling disability of revolvers there should be piles of them.
or your analogy is completely unfounded, since your hypothetical doesn't exist.
Your autism is causing you to fixate on an irrelevant part of my argument. Cops have been killed trying to reload. Use google, ESLgay. I think Paul Harrell also has a video about how police tactics changed from one guy getting aced trying to reload behind his car
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I think Paul Harrell also has a video about how police tactics changed from one guy getting aced trying to reload behind his car
wrong again. the perps were iced with fricking revolvers you dipshit. do you know anything at all? the guy with the shotgun scored a hit and survived (despite being wounded). of three agents with magazine fed handguns (one of which reloaded) two died, one survived. the agents with revolvers all survived, two of them reloaded their revolvers during the firefight.
again, your hypothesis is shattered by your own example, because you are a dipshit.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, my point still stands. Slow ass reload times get you killed. Thanks for playing
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>only autoloader gays die in the gunfight >slow reloads get you killed
this is your brain on common core.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Also I was referring to Newhall, not the Miami shootout
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>only autoloader gays die in the gunfight >slow reloads get you killed
this is your brain on common core.
>Pence was still trying to reload his revolver and failed to see Twinning's approach. As Pence inserted the sixth cartridge and started to close the cylinder of his weapon, Twinning shot and killed him from behind, with two shots to the head at point blank range. Kness took cover in a nearby ditch.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>please ignore the counter example, that doesn't count
I suggest you buy a gun, and jump off a bridge.
do a flip
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your example provided literally nothing of value to this argument. Continue falling back on “noguns”
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What is this comment in reference to? I want to read/watch whatever it is.
>The best to ever do it. Nothing comes close.
You seem to have accidentally posted the wrong picture. The shotgun was already solved 100 years earlier.
I'm tied between the M4 and the M3. M4 felt a lot better to handle and balanced alright, but I like the versatility of the M3 for poorgay ammo choices. Either way, Italian tactical scatter gats are top.
https://i.imgur.com/LSSWmci.jpeg
It is. I'm just moronic
>I'm tied between the M4 and the M3
Same, M4 has a huge after market compared to the M3 tho
go with the M4
The M3 is absolute kino, but you CANNOT go wrong with choosing the M4, since mine cycles even the cheapest of birdshot
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I find it annoying that Leon autistically press checks his pistol every time he jumps out of a window (which is pretty often), but that's more funny than anything.
P kino game, hardcore is giving me actual challenge but not too much, Ashley kinda mid tho
I honestly didn't like the shift to an action game, I preferred re2 remake where you had limited ammo and had to make your shots count and consider which zombies to kill and which to just shove away.
RE4make plays exactly like RE4. It's not a sequel to RE2make, it's a remake of RE4, and it does it extremely well.
Unpopular opinion; RE4 is the best RE game and RE5 is the second best.
Unpopular opinion, RE4 poisoned the franchise and the whole genre of survival horror. Great game but the actual horror elements of the first 3 were lost until 7 and a lot of other survival horror games tried to ape 4 instead of 1-3
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They ruined the genre >By making a game more people wanted to play
You people need to stop saying this.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I didn't say it ruined it, just that it killed off a lot of creativity in the space for a while making the series and the games around it more generic. Much like what COD did to FPS games, fine shooter series but it's success gave rise to so many generic 7th gen military shooters (and Assault Horizon)
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What you're describing has nothing to do with creativity, anon. It's called "living in the real world, with real bills".
Yeah, it's all well and good you want there to be more "sovl" in games or whatever the frick, but what that means in practice is fewer games and fewer people who buy games.
A game establishes a niche, and your million dollar idea is to milk that niche until it's completely fricking dead, instead of trying to create new niches.
You would rather Capcom burn the franchise to the ground by releasing the same game seventeen times because "muh sovl" while ignoring the fact that the only reason these games still get made is because they changed up the fricking formula.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
drastically changing something so more people like it is unironically bad. Would you like if pizza didn't have real cheese and animal products just to cater to vegans and mudslims?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>my hobby has been normie-ized >oh ehm gee, it's about inclusion, not maintaining what is great about stuff
I'm with the first group.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The old style Resi games have a million clones though, the PS2's library was absolutely saturated with RE clones. That horse had already been completely beaten to death by the time 3 came out, and Resi was in major need of a facelift.
4, 5 and 6 were all the action movie Resi games, and when that formula got tired, they switched to a more classic horror style.
So what you want is for Resi to be beholden to nineties era game design tropes for eternity, making the same fricking game over and over again, to sell to the same, slowly aging population.
This game is pure /k/ino
All the guns are satisfying as absolute frick.
I find it annoying that Leon autistically press checks his pistol every time he jumps out of a window (which is pretty often), but that's more funny than anything.
P kino game, hardcore is giving me actual challenge but not too much, Ashley kinda mid tho
>barrel rupture from your turkroach gun
Yeah this doesn't happen unless there is an obstruction but keep making shit up
It happens
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NHeSC_Ws5Ic
Lol frick Hunter Thompson that drug addict piece of shit
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Go back to wherever you crawled out from homosexualron, Hunter S Thompson is /k/ incarnate.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Go back to wherever you crawled out from homosexualron, Hunter S Thompson is /k/ incarnate.
You'll grow up someday and realize owning guns doesn't automatically make someone cool, in Hunter's case he was a massive dick head
I'm tied between the M4 and the M3. M4 felt a lot better to handle and balanced alright, but I like the versatility of the M3 for poorgay ammo choices. Either way, Italian tactical scatter gats are top.
Do as I did, get one of the better M4 clones for a fraction of the price, get a benelli extractor and mod to your hearts content, then go buy the M3 outright - hell it's basically only as much as a 1301 now you can't lose.
The M3 was so fricking worth it I bought a supernova just to cannibalize the collapsy boi stock and it's actually lighter than the M4
>recoil-operated 12ga
you're moronic because this is false >comes with a neutered civilian magazine tube
you're moronic because you can get it with a 7 round tube from the factory >3,000 + tip
you're moronic because I got mine new for $1800 last year
>Only polymer is stock and grips. >7 round factories are available, most are bought out cause its the popular option. >Costs $1800, but you can get $200 off if you got any First Responder/Security License
I like Marlins but if I could only have one levergun it wouldn't be a side-ejector and it certainly wouldn't be chambered in a big Black person cartridge like .45-70
Emperor Arms SR5 got tons of solid reviews and apparently was on sale for like $100+ under a half year ago. Pissed I missed it cause now its out of stock everywhere
I am addicted to buying cheap one shot folding shotguns and Maverick 88s. I will wear my stinky $10 surplus webbing with a Kabar single mark on my hip and shoot dirty mismatched shot shells all day and no one can stop me.
because i do what i want and i don't let jpegs tell me what to do. the 1301 looks ugly with optics mounts and having a light jutting out of the side ruins the sleek profile of the gun. I also cant imagine ever using this at night or in a building because reloading a shotgun under stress is MUCH harder than reloading a rifle, at a 7+1 shot semi-auto shotgun is way more likely to require a reload than 30rd rifle.
>I also cant imagine ever using this at night or in a building because reloading a shotgun under stress is MUCH harder than reloading a rifle, at a 7+1 shot semi-auto shotgun is way more likely to require a reload than 30rd rifle.
You will never use your gun at night or in a building, and if you did you wouldn't need to reload either one of them.
theres nothing wrong with shotguns but there is a very annoying crowd of people who think they can compete with semi auto rifles. they will usually say dumb shit like 'uhhhh technically i shoot 9 projectiles per shot which is more dps than an AR!'
>there is a very annoying crowd of people who think they can compete with semi auto rifles
That's because they absolutely can compete with semi-auto rifles for actual real-life civilian defensive purposes. Some people frame their arguments around real-world use and some people frame their arguments around moronic specops larp, and the resulting shitfignt is pure autism
>I also cant imagine ever using this at night or in a building because reloading a shotgun under stress is MUCH harder than reloading a rifle, at a 7+1 shot semi-auto shotgun is way more likely to require a reload than 30rd rifle.
You will never use your gun at night or in a building, and if you did you wouldn't need to reload either one of them.
>you will never
funny how these arguments always come from the mouths of shotgun users. do you also make threads talking about how shotguns are great for anti-drone purposes?
It is a larp. You aren't using your PSA AR for infantry purposes. Saying that a shotgun can't compete with a semi-auto rifle, as a civilian, is like saying that a minivan can't compete with your sports car when all you do is drive it back and forth to work on public roads.
300 dollars new
my most second most recent purchase was a shotgun and i paid somewhere between 120 and 170 but i was too drunk to remember. turns out it was an 870 i had actually used before as a bear gun. this stuff gets real cheap second hand
i can’t imagine how cheap a maverick 88 gets when you buy it off a friend
These people are deranged, especially whenever there's a shotgun general and you have people claiming they can hit targets 70 yards away with buckshot
There is no competition, there is just different uses as these two operate better in different environments with some overlap
>there is a very annoying crowd of people who think they can compete with semi auto rifles
That's because they absolutely can compete with semi-auto rifles for actual real-life civilian defensive purposes. Some people frame their arguments around real-world use and some people frame their arguments around moronic specops larp, and the resulting shitfignt is pure autism
They're both effective in close quarters scenarios like home defense but you do have people claiming they can engage assailants at 100yds equally with a shotgun. Yes slugs are a thing, but you're crippled on ammo cap and penetration vs a rifle
>These people are deranged, especially whenever there's a shotgun general and you have people claiming they can hit targets 70 yards away with buckshot
Why don’t you try it yourself? Or do you not shoot?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Deranged and unhinged
I could easily also take potshots with a rifle and put some hits on a target with better penetration and energy btw
don't believe me then you don't shoot
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah but you don’t have a rifle in this scenario, you have a shotgun, you’re just going to stand there while somebody shoots at you? THAT’S deranged and unhinged.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nah I'd find cover dummy
Not sure what you're arguing anymore since my original point was that rifles do certain things better than shotguns. This is cope for not owning a rifle but I won't hate on you for that
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There is no cover, you’re in an open field bird hunting, so you just stand there and get shot?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>literally making up stories to validate only owning a shotgun
I do not care cletus
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Finally, you admit you’re wrong.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
lol absolutely not you unhinged moron.
i’m the guy
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my point wasn’t that shorguns have no use, it is that it doesn’t matter what shotgun you are using
for self defense people tend to make things way too complicated. it really doesn’t matter what you get shot by
before you show youtube videos of crackheads tanking 45, consider the balance of caliber vs fire rate. you can generally cause the same amount of damage irrelevant of caliber because you might hit someone with a 12ga slug and then a second one but in that time you could probably pop 4-6 9mm into the torso. 12ga doesn’t matter which gun because no matter how much money you spend recoil will put you so off target the limiting factor is your aiming, hence why only sport shooters need semi shotguns
i don't agree with any of this and your assertions are all over the place. A semi-automatic would increase lethality by fire rate and reliability by removing user error in cycling.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't agree with any of this
Why keep posting if you're just going to be wrong
>you do have people claiming they can engage assailants at 100yds equally with a shotgun
That's moronic, but it's even dumber to be talking about engaging assailants at 100yds at all. That's what I'm talking about with the larp shit, people buying and defending their choice of gun based on an infantry use case. Nobody engages assailants at 100yds, and if you did you'd get fricked in the ass by the courts, because you can't argue self defense if you're shooting people at that range
>but it's even dumber to be talking about engaging assailants at 100yds at all.
oh look the shotgun user is imposing even more strict requirements. soon he will start quoting FBI statistics despite being comically skeptical of government statistics.
>oh look the shotgun user is imposing even more strict requirements
Haha funny shitposting and everything, but don't shoot at anybody at moronic ranges like that unless you actively want to spend your life in prison
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Returning fire is returning fire, you shoot back with what you have on hand, not just standing there doing nothing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Black person who the frick is engaging you with a rifle at 100 yards
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you need to prepare for this one in a million situation, not that one in a million-point-2 situation!
you probably don't even have carbon monoxide detectors
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes as a matter of fact I do. And I don't care what situation you want to prepare for, what's moronic is shitting on other people for not choosing their gear based on your fantasy > Kek stupid shotgun user will be fricked when he starts taking long-range fire from enemy manoeuvre elements
Like gimme a goddamn break, you live in the suburbs and work at a desk
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It happens
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NHeSC_Ws5Ic
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
nah my gun is for shooting villains. why would i go to prison for that?
These people are deranged, especially whenever there's a shotgun general and you have people claiming they can hit targets 70 yards away with buckshot
There is no competition, there is just different uses as these two operate better in different environments with some overlap
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They're both effective in close quarters scenarios like home defense but you do have people claiming they can engage assailants at 100yds equally with a shotgun. Yes slugs are a thing, but you're crippled on ammo cap and penetration vs a rifle
>there is a very annoying crowd of people who think they can compete with semi auto rifles
That's because they absolutely can compete with semi-auto rifles for actual real-life civilian defensive purposes. Some people frame their arguments around real-world use and some people frame their arguments around moronic specops larp, and the resulting shitfignt is pure autism
my point wasn’t that shorguns have no use, it is that it doesn’t matter what shotgun you are using
for self defense people tend to make things way too complicated. it really doesn’t matter what you get shot by
before you show youtube videos of crackheads tanking 45, consider the balance of caliber vs fire rate. you can generally cause the same amount of damage irrelevant of caliber because you might hit someone with a 12ga slug and then a second one but in that time you could probably pop 4-6 9mm into the torso. 12ga doesn’t matter which gun because no matter how much money you spend recoil will put you so off target the limiting factor is your aiming, hence why only sport shooters need semi shotguns
Not sure I get what you're saying
Firing rate in a shotgun is negligible due to the number of projectiles per shot. 00 buck is the typical defensive load, not slugs. That's 8 pellets of 9mm size pellets in one shot vs 8 trigger pulls in a handgun. A semi auto shotgun would increase the rate and win by pure number of projectiles at the same rate as a handgun.
Recoil happens with handguns too and it's more pronounced due to only two points of contact. It's a absolutely easier to stay on target with a shotgun, even a semiauto
shotgun use cases >sport
skeet shooting is very fun, have at it >self defense
just like any other gun, if you have a gun and shoot someone you win. you have to hit the guy at close range, so it is just like any other long gun in that respect >animal/bear self defense
good for that because you can spend a third the money to shoot black magic magnums vs a 45/70 >fun
shitload of fun when they cost 200$ and you can have 3k ftlbs muzzle energy and explode anything you shoot at
shortcomings >long range
good luck, you basically cant do it even with rifling >prepper type stuff
if you are getting into combat the other guy has an ar and you are at a disadvantage >capacity
12ga ammo is is impossibly big to carry unless you really need it and 20ga is not popular. you also aren’t going to have 20-30 round mags like like in most popular rifles >penetration
not good to be in a situation where you need this, but it is nice to have
I generally agree with this, but I think it makes the shotgun a great choice for civilian use. Civilian guns need to be fun because they’re primarily hobby pieces. They need to be very effective at close range because that’s where defensive shootings occur. While range, ammo capacity, and volume of fire are highly relevant to infantry combat, that is a team sport and trying to adapt your equipment to that rubric is the equivalent of practicing football by yourself to prepare for a tennis match. ARs can do the job to be sure, but the advantages they have over a shotgun aren’t relevant to most people here whether they want to accept it or not.
For every job, a tool.
Shotgun is good at many jobs but master of none in my opinion. (unless you count absolutely destroying something at 50 yards or less a job)
That being said, I choose it for me "middle of fricking nowhere" ranch gun, I never regret having one aside from having to lug the fricker around all day.
I think my M1s90 SBS is bellisima, I’ll always be an 870bro first.
>rusts
Jokes on you Police Magnums are parkerized. Mine are 1988 and 2005.
I hate the TL Racker so much it's unreal
Surefire chads BDE.
The M1 super 90 with its inertia bolt will always remain superior.
And as far as gas operated shotguns go, the Baikal MP153 is king.
The M4's only selling point is that it's in use in the military.
It’s my first semi but it gives me more than a semi.
The M1 super 90 with its inertia bolt will always remain superior.
And as far as gas operated shotguns go, the Baikal MP153 is king.
The M4's only selling point is that it's in use in the military.
I just picked up my turknelli M4 clone and the fit and finish is incredible, no tool marks, action is smooth, and it makes Benelli gays seethe. I'll post pictures if this thread is still up tomorrow.
The turkshit shotgun test is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing.
To save a few bucks more for a real shotgun is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do.
To save up money for a functioning shotgun is objectively right.
There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to save up for something better.
Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your pride and buy a turkish gun. Therefore the turkish shotgun presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
No one will punish you for not buying a better and functioning shotgun, no one will fine you or kill you for buying such a waste of chinesium. (beside your bleeding hand after it will explode)
You must save up for something better out of the goodness of your own heart. You must save up just a few bucks more because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct.
A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The turkshit shotgun is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society.
Nice copypasta. But seriously not spending $2k on a shotgun IDC if it comes with a set of Taylor Swift breasts. I have a Mossberg 590 that I KNOW is the ultimate based scattergun that won't fail me and passed military tests, that btw the homosexual-ass Remshit 870 didn't.
>it's OK if it's shit, I'll just go without my gun while I send it back to a company that probably won't exist in a few years and hopefully they'll send one back that isn't dogshit
are you the moron that used to make threads about the 15 dollar Amazon red dots? because that blibbering imbecile had the same theory.
I'll buy something from a company that gives out products that don't break and that I could rely on to actually fix something if it did.
What the frick are you blabbering on about? I've shot a M2 in competition for longer than you've been around you disingenuous shit, I tried a M4 for the hell of it and it didn't work well, so I went back to what I know what works. I'm AGAINST the shilling of the M4 you dunce, stop putting words in my mouth. I swear to Christ people have zero reading comprehension skills nowadays.
The Beretta blink system cycles faster and more reliably so no. It's sadly been outclassed. That pig fat boat looking shotgun will never look half as cool as a benelli though no matter how much money you throw at it.
>It's sadly been outclassed
I don't know about that. I'm a 1301 owner (I've only ever shot somebody else's M4) but I wouldn't be surprised if the M4 was more robust and able to handle more extreme conditions. That plastic mag tube/gas system shroud on the 1301 doesn't give me a ton of confidence that it would do well in the cold, or under extended heavy use. Beretta markets it as a law enforcement/home defence grade shotgun. I don't think it's intended to hold up to the same abuse an M4 is.
Is there a good modern semi-auto that can take a Bayonet? The closest I've gotten to it is a 1301 where I use a APG Universal Bayonet Mount with a GG&G Quick Detach Sling and Flashlight Mount, but while that at least lets me mount a bayonet, it's a very flimsy solution that wouldn't survive any long term use.
If you don't already have a shotgun, I would get the 88. Not everybody enjoys shotguns. It'll be easier to sell a lightly used 200 dollar shotgun for 150 than it'll be to sell an 800 dollar shotgun for 700.
Yeah
Why did the military never adopt a weaponlight for it?
What is "it"?
yeah
Wood
What makes it the best?
Vidya and much 30 year old DOD contract
Argo gas system. Look it up. Can't make it jam by "overloading" it with an optic plus flashlight like most other cheap semi autos. Patent ran out and turks copied it but they cheap out on their metals so the pistons bend and frick your life up entirely.
>TTI M4
Big meme, the loading port bevel is legit though
>heavy af
>shitty trigger
>still kicks like a mule
>can’t cycle birdshot reliably
I have one so I can say it’s overrated.
also applies to your mom.
Why would you want birdshot in a semi-auto?
The other 3 issue are b***h complaints. Literally just work out more.
Just because he can't lead for shit doesn't mean you can make fun of him. Dumping 6 bucks of ammo into a Bob white is a time honored American tradition.
Killing birds is literally all that shotguns are good for for the past ~100 years.
I want an M16 equivalent for modern day drone hunting where instead of 4x brownings we get 4x M4
Call it the M-44 or some shit
>
Does the benelli m4 really strike you as a "hunting" weapon? if so, you might actually be moronic.
he doesn't know what he is talking about, the m4 will reliably cycle birdshot after the first few dozen rounds of breaking in.
>shitty trigger
yeah, the trigger is better than some other long arms, like the AUG, even though it's a shotgun.
I own one too and mine has none of those issues. I think you just might be a colossal homosexual, anon.
>I have one so I can say it’s overrated.
no you don't
Nogunz spotted. My M4 has a pretty good trigger, and is less picky about ammo than any other semi-auto I’ve had. Eats everything.
>heavy af
>shitty trigger
>still kicks like a mule
>can’t cycle birdshot reliably
I didn't know this thread was about the SPAS-12
You have never touched an benelly m4 in your life. Shut up sit down when you pee b***h and frick you.
kid why are you pretending to be mad at and yourself somehow superior to a gun that you dont actually own
I’m a 40 year old man. And I do have one.
I hear there is a long break in period. Still under 500 rounds. Rest of my points still stand.
My M2 cycles shitty Winchester white box reliably, maybe it’s just a skill issue
Beretta 1301 or even A300.
I really like mine. I look forward to shooting it for the rest of my life.
*dies reloading a slow ass tube magazine*
>t. nobody in recorded history
Has happened a shit ton of times with cops who didn’t have moon clips/speed strips for their service revolvers. This shotgun is even slower to reload than a revolver. And don’t tell me it’s not a valid comparison
>I'm moronic and wrong, but please don't point it out
after 8 shots of 12ga you have influenced a gunfight significantly more than 6 shots of 38 special. you are a fricking moron for trying to cope that shit out, you no shooting gaylord.
>No really I'm right!
Ok, name 5 cops that died reloading shotguns.
Getting into the habit of top up loading on the fly and between encounters and using shotgun cards over saddle loaders that you can rip and replace can mitigate a lot of the issue that comes with running a shotgun as a primary but I'd agree it's not ideal over a mag-fed weapon. Losing count of how many rounds you've fired in the heat of the moment is very common. There's a skill level to a tube fed shotgun that takes a lot of practice under duress because even the best can fumble a reload and that's a fumble that can cost you dearly.
skill issue
my dick comes close you where you got birthed from.
>dipshit noguns says 12ga and 38 special are the same
>gets roasted for being a fricking moron
>poorgay recoilet seethe starts
we get it, you are a recoilet that can't handle 12ga and this is you lashing out at the sour grapes.
I never said 12 gauge and 38 were the same lol keep digging that hole, aggro npc
>I never said 12 gauge and 38 were the same
>Has happened a shit ton of times with cops
they are either the same and the analogy works, or they are different and you are the dumb noguns Black person that cant name any of the shitton of cops that died reloading their shotguns.
because it didn't happen, because gunfights don't last into the double-digit 12ga shell expenditure levels.
so shut the frick up you stupid Black person.
You just lack reading comprehension, my ESL friend. I meant they were killed trying to reload individual cartridges in their revolvers. But you knew that. I suggest blood pressure medication. Your level of anger is unhealthy.
ok, what are the names of all the cops that died reloading their shotguns? because they have the same crippling disability of revolvers there should be piles of them.
or your analogy is completely unfounded, since your hypothetical doesn't exist.
Your autism is causing you to fixate on an irrelevant part of my argument. Cops have been killed trying to reload. Use google, ESLgay. I think Paul Harrell also has a video about how police tactics changed from one guy getting aced trying to reload behind his car
>I think Paul Harrell also has a video about how police tactics changed from one guy getting aced trying to reload behind his car
wrong again. the perps were iced with fricking revolvers you dipshit. do you know anything at all? the guy with the shotgun scored a hit and survived (despite being wounded). of three agents with magazine fed handguns (one of which reloaded) two died, one survived. the agents with revolvers all survived, two of them reloaded their revolvers during the firefight.
again, your hypothesis is shattered by your own example, because you are a dipshit.
No, my point still stands. Slow ass reload times get you killed. Thanks for playing
>only autoloader gays die in the gunfight
>slow reloads get you killed
this is your brain on common core.
Also I was referring to Newhall, not the Miami shootout
>Pence was still trying to reload his revolver and failed to see Twinning's approach. As Pence inserted the sixth cartridge and started to close the cylinder of his weapon, Twinning shot and killed him from behind, with two shots to the head at point blank range. Kness took cover in a nearby ditch.
>please ignore the counter example, that doesn't count
I suggest you buy a gun, and jump off a bridge.
do a flip
Your example provided literally nothing of value to this argument. Continue falling back on “noguns”
What is this comment in reference to? I want to read/watch whatever it is.
Miami shootout analysis
>because gunfights don't last into the double-digit 12ga shell expenditure levels
Meanwhile, in North Hollywood...
What does the M4 do better than the M3?
Shows up in more media and get used by crayon munchers
>no pump action
Make way for bestnelli
John Wick used it so it's good.
>The best to ever do it. Nothing comes close.
You seem to have accidentally posted the wrong picture. The shotgun was already solved 100 years earlier.
>Nothing comes close.
so true
Here's mine
>flagging kot
anon
he flagged himself, he knows the weapon's safety rules and still decided to go sit there
damn he lives on the wild side
I hate that hk buttstock so much it's unreal.
>Nothing comes close.
3 comes before 4
That looks like an M1 or M2
It is. I'm just moronic
Leon picked M3 tho. You do want Leon's gun.
This game is pure /k/ino
All the guns are satisfying as absolute frick.
I honestly didn't like the shift to an action game, I preferred re2 remake where you had limited ammo and had to make your shots count and consider which zombies to kill and which to just shove away.
RE4make plays exactly like RE4. It's not a sequel to RE2make, it's a remake of RE4, and it does it extremely well.
Unpopular opinion; RE4 is the best RE game and RE5 is the second best.
Unpopular opinion, RE4 poisoned the franchise and the whole genre of survival horror. Great game but the actual horror elements of the first 3 were lost until 7 and a lot of other survival horror games tried to ape 4 instead of 1-3
>They ruined the genre
>By making a game more people wanted to play
You people need to stop saying this.
I didn't say it ruined it, just that it killed off a lot of creativity in the space for a while making the series and the games around it more generic. Much like what COD did to FPS games, fine shooter series but it's success gave rise to so many generic 7th gen military shooters (and Assault Horizon)
What you're describing has nothing to do with creativity, anon. It's called "living in the real world, with real bills".
Yeah, it's all well and good you want there to be more "sovl" in games or whatever the frick, but what that means in practice is fewer games and fewer people who buy games.
A game establishes a niche, and your million dollar idea is to milk that niche until it's completely fricking dead, instead of trying to create new niches.
You would rather Capcom burn the franchise to the ground by releasing the same game seventeen times because "muh sovl" while ignoring the fact that the only reason these games still get made is because they changed up the fricking formula.
drastically changing something so more people like it is unironically bad. Would you like if pizza didn't have real cheese and animal products just to cater to vegans and mudslims?
>my hobby has been normie-ized
>oh ehm gee, it's about inclusion, not maintaining what is great about stuff
I'm with the first group.
The old style Resi games have a million clones though, the PS2's library was absolutely saturated with RE clones. That horse had already been completely beaten to death by the time 3 came out, and Resi was in major need of a facelift.
4, 5 and 6 were all the action movie Resi games, and when that formula got tired, they switched to a more classic horror style.
So what you want is for Resi to be beholden to nineties era game design tropes for eternity, making the same fricking game over and over again, to sell to the same, slowly aging population.
TL;DR old style Resi fans are boomers
I find it annoying that Leon autistically press checks his pistol every time he jumps out of a window (which is pretty often), but that's more funny than anything.
P kino game, hardcore is giving me actual challenge but not too much, Ashley kinda mid tho
Am I a bad gun owner if I don't own and never intend to own a shotgun?
Not really necessary unless you’re hunting birds
You don't like fun
Literally just buy this, no shotgun is worth $2000.
go ahead and cope
>But guys!!!! You gotta pay for the REAL one!!!!
You're a dumb wiener smoking homosexual, tell your mom to shave her pussy
You should take your own advice homosexual. I wish you a merry barrel rupture from your turkroach gun
>barrel rupture from your turkroach gun
Yeah this doesn't happen unless there is an obstruction but keep making shit up
Lol frick Hunter Thompson that drug addict piece of shit
Go back to wherever you crawled out from homosexualron, Hunter S Thompson is /k/ incarnate.
>Go back to wherever you crawled out from homosexualron, Hunter S Thompson is /k/ incarnate.
You'll grow up someday and realize owning guns doesn't automatically make someone cool, in Hunter's case he was a massive dick head
we get it, you neither shoot your guns nor can you delay gratification.
I'm tied between the M4 and the M3. M4 felt a lot better to handle and balanced alright, but I like the versatility of the M3 for poorgay ammo choices. Either way, Italian tactical scatter gats are top.
>I'm tied between the M4 and the M3
Same, M4 has a huge after market compared to the M3 tho
go with the M4
The M3 is absolute kino, but you CANNOT go wrong with choosing the M4, since mine cycles even the cheapest of birdshot
Do as I did, get one of the better M4 clones for a fraction of the price, get a benelli extractor and mod to your hearts content, then go buy the M3 outright - hell it's basically only as much as a 1301 now you can't lose.
The M3 was so fricking worth it I bought a supernova just to cannibalize the collapsy boi stock and it's actually lighter than the M4
>polymer recoil-operated 12ga
>comes with a neutered civilian magazine tube
>$3,000 + tip
yeah
nah
1. not polymer
2. not recoil operated
3. does not necessarily come with the 5 rounder, there's 7 rounders at my LGS right now
4. not 3000 dollars
>recoil-operated 12ga
you're moronic because this is false
>comes with a neutered civilian magazine tube
you're moronic because you can get it with a 7 round tube from the factory
>3,000 + tip
you're moronic because I got mine new for $1800 last year
why does it cost $1800
because it's better than any shotgun that costs $1799 and below
hope this helps!
because it's not made by roaches
iirc a few years ago Benelli did outsource part of their manufacturing to Turkey, no idea if the M4 line is affected however
They never outsorced anything. They simply bought out stoeger. 100% of all benelli shotguns parts are made in italy
https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/benelli-m4-le-7-rd-12-gauge-18-5-shotgun-collapsible-stock/
>Only polymer is stock and grips.
>7 round factories are available, most are bought out cause its the popular option.
>Costs $1800, but you can get $200 off if you got any First Responder/Security License
Have your (You) dumb Black person.
>First Responder
What's considered a first responder?
https://www.kygunco.com/page/qualified-professional-policies
You can go on Buds and bullshit it most of the time.
Wow you've never even touched one and you came here to post about it.
Inertia gang reporting
I don’t have a shotgun or a lever action. I’m debating about a Benelli m1014 or a Marlin 1895, don’t have enough for both…help
I like Marlins but if I could only have one levergun it wouldn't be a side-ejector and it certainly wouldn't be chambered in a big Black person cartridge like .45-70
that's just me though
get a mav88 for like $250 see if you like shotguns, youd probably still have enough to afford the Marlin 1895 too.
you can get clones made in turkey, cheap. just as good sir
Emperor Arms SR5 got tons of solid reviews and apparently was on sale for like $100+ under a half year ago. Pissed I missed it cause now its out of stock everywhere
Yeah
>a challenger appears
>Benelli M4
M4000€ in my country god fricking darnit.
which country?
Leon's poster here. Wasn't trying to launch some harsh debate between patrician shotgun enjoyers. Btw, is this Leon with a 870 Wingmaster ?
Isn't the starting Village shotgun in RE4 a Remington? Not sure about the RE2 Remake one. Since it changes when you get the barrel and stock upgrade.
Looks like a magnum since wingmasters have a polished chrome bolt assembly
The M2 is just as good at literally everything fight me.
I am addicted to buying cheap one shot folding shotguns and Maverick 88s. I will wear my stinky $10 surplus webbing with a Kabar single mark on my hip and shoot dirty mismatched shot shells all day and no one can stop me.
Heavily based. Mentally unstable even.
Why not both?
praying for you
This man is to be feared and respected.
I have a a300 tacticool and Mossberg 500. I like them both. Shotguns fun.
Cookie cutter gunsoomers want the M4 because of GWOT
I want the M3 because there's more parts I can fidget with while sitting at home
the 1301 is an entire pound lighter and does the same shit. shotguns are an accessory weapon and should not weigh as much as a rifle.
Where's the wml homosexual
its on my rifle, because shotguns aren't a primary weapon.
>tactical shotgun
>no light
Why'd you bother putting an expensive optic on it if it isn't a "primary weapon"
because i do what i want and i don't let jpegs tell me what to do. the 1301 looks ugly with optics mounts and having a light jutting out of the side ruins the sleek profile of the gun. I also cant imagine ever using this at night or in a building because reloading a shotgun under stress is MUCH harder than reloading a rifle, at a 7+1 shot semi-auto shotgun is way more likely to require a reload than 30rd rifle.
>with optics mounts
with light mounts*
>I also cant imagine ever using this at night or in a building because reloading a shotgun under stress is MUCH harder than reloading a rifle, at a 7+1 shot semi-auto shotgun is way more likely to require a reload than 30rd rifle.
You will never use your gun at night or in a building, and if you did you wouldn't need to reload either one of them.
mine wont cycle slugs reliably 🙁
when were we supposed to care about shotguns?
i must have missed it
theres nothing wrong with shotguns but there is a very annoying crowd of people who think they can compete with semi auto rifles. they will usually say dumb shit like 'uhhhh technically i shoot 9 projectiles per shot which is more dps than an AR!'
>there is a very annoying crowd of people who think they can compete with semi auto rifles
That's because they absolutely can compete with semi-auto rifles for actual real-life civilian defensive purposes. Some people frame their arguments around real-world use and some people frame their arguments around moronic specops larp, and the resulting shitfignt is pure autism
>larp
>you will never
funny how these arguments always come from the mouths of shotgun users. do you also make threads talking about how shotguns are great for anti-drone purposes?
It is a larp. You aren't using your PSA AR for infantry purposes. Saying that a shotgun can't compete with a semi-auto rifle, as a civilian, is like saying that a minivan can't compete with your sports car when all you do is drive it back and forth to work on public roads.
>when all you do is drive it back and forth to work on public roads.
its good to know that our lives are so predetermined.
i agree
shotguns are good but they should be either the only gun you own or the third or fourth one
they could never replace an ar or really any rifle
yeah if you can only have one gun or if you're mega broke and a need a do-it-all gun then a 300 dollar pump shotgun cant be beat
300 dollars new
my most second most recent purchase was a shotgun and i paid somewhere between 120 and 170 but i was too drunk to remember. turns out it was an 870 i had actually used before as a bear gun. this stuff gets real cheap second hand
i can’t imagine how cheap a maverick 88 gets when you buy it off a friend
These people are deranged, especially whenever there's a shotgun general and you have people claiming they can hit targets 70 yards away with buckshot
There is no competition, there is just different uses as these two operate better in different environments with some overlap
They're both effective in close quarters scenarios like home defense but you do have people claiming they can engage assailants at 100yds equally with a shotgun. Yes slugs are a thing, but you're crippled on ammo cap and penetration vs a rifle
>These people are deranged, especially whenever there's a shotgun general and you have people claiming they can hit targets 70 yards away with buckshot
130yds, no choke actually.
Deranged
Why don’t you try it yourself? Or do you not shoot?
Deranged and unhinged
I could easily also take potshots with a rifle and put some hits on a target with better penetration and energy btw
don't believe me then you don't shoot
Yeah but you don’t have a rifle in this scenario, you have a shotgun, you’re just going to stand there while somebody shoots at you? THAT’S deranged and unhinged.
Nah I'd find cover dummy
Not sure what you're arguing anymore since my original point was that rifles do certain things better than shotguns. This is cope for not owning a rifle but I won't hate on you for that
There is no cover, you’re in an open field bird hunting, so you just stand there and get shot?
>literally making up stories to validate only owning a shotgun
I do not care cletus
Finally, you admit you’re wrong.
lol absolutely not you unhinged moron.
i don't agree with any of this and your assertions are all over the place. A semi-automatic would increase lethality by fire rate and reliability by removing user error in cycling.
>I don't agree with any of this
Why keep posting if you're just going to be wrong
>you do have people claiming they can engage assailants at 100yds equally with a shotgun
That's moronic, but it's even dumber to be talking about engaging assailants at 100yds at all. That's what I'm talking about with the larp shit, people buying and defending their choice of gun based on an infantry use case. Nobody engages assailants at 100yds, and if you did you'd get fricked in the ass by the courts, because you can't argue self defense if you're shooting people at that range
>but it's even dumber to be talking about engaging assailants at 100yds at all.
oh look the shotgun user is imposing even more strict requirements. soon he will start quoting FBI statistics despite being comically skeptical of government statistics.
>oh look the shotgun user is imposing even more strict requirements
Haha funny shitposting and everything, but don't shoot at anybody at moronic ranges like that unless you actively want to spend your life in prison
Returning fire is returning fire, you shoot back with what you have on hand, not just standing there doing nothing.
Black person who the frick is engaging you with a rifle at 100 yards
>you need to prepare for this one in a million situation, not that one in a million-point-2 situation!
you probably don't even have carbon monoxide detectors
Yes as a matter of fact I do. And I don't care what situation you want to prepare for, what's moronic is shitting on other people for not choosing their gear based on your fantasy
> Kek stupid shotgun user will be fricked when he starts taking long-range fire from enemy manoeuvre elements
Like gimme a goddamn break, you live in the suburbs and work at a desk
It happens
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NHeSC_Ws5Ic
nah my gun is for shooting villains. why would i go to prison for that?
If you're doing a direct comparison and talking about the shotgun and rifle competing then it's fair, all this legality shit is besides the point
i’m the guy
responded to
my point wasn’t that shorguns have no use, it is that it doesn’t matter what shotgun you are using
for self defense people tend to make things way too complicated. it really doesn’t matter what you get shot by
before you show youtube videos of crackheads tanking 45, consider the balance of caliber vs fire rate. you can generally cause the same amount of damage irrelevant of caliber because you might hit someone with a 12ga slug and then a second one but in that time you could probably pop 4-6 9mm into the torso. 12ga doesn’t matter which gun because no matter how much money you spend recoil will put you so off target the limiting factor is your aiming, hence why only sport shooters need semi shotguns
Not sure I get what you're saying
Firing rate in a shotgun is negligible due to the number of projectiles per shot. 00 buck is the typical defensive load, not slugs. That's 8 pellets of 9mm size pellets in one shot vs 8 trigger pulls in a handgun. A semi auto shotgun would increase the rate and win by pure number of projectiles at the same rate as a handgun.
Recoil happens with handguns too and it's more pronounced due to only two points of contact. It's a absolutely easier to stay on target with a shotgun, even a semiauto
Yeah
ok
shotgun use cases
>sport
skeet shooting is very fun, have at it
>self defense
just like any other gun, if you have a gun and shoot someone you win. you have to hit the guy at close range, so it is just like any other long gun in that respect
>animal/bear self defense
good for that because you can spend a third the money to shoot black magic magnums vs a 45/70
>fun
shitload of fun when they cost 200$ and you can have 3k ftlbs muzzle energy and explode anything you shoot at
shortcomings
>long range
good luck, you basically cant do it even with rifling
>prepper type stuff
if you are getting into combat the other guy has an ar and you are at a disadvantage
>capacity
12ga ammo is is impossibly big to carry unless you really need it and 20ga is not popular. you also aren’t going to have 20-30 round mags like like in most popular rifles
>penetration
not good to be in a situation where you need this, but it is nice to have
I generally agree with this, but I think it makes the shotgun a great choice for civilian use. Civilian guns need to be fun because they’re primarily hobby pieces. They need to be very effective at close range because that’s where defensive shootings occur. While range, ammo capacity, and volume of fire are highly relevant to infantry combat, that is a team sport and trying to adapt your equipment to that rubric is the equivalent of practicing football by yourself to prepare for a tennis match. ARs can do the job to be sure, but the advantages they have over a shotgun aren’t relevant to most people here whether they want to accept it or not.
This is what I was trying to say, but you put it much better than I did
For every job, a tool.
Shotgun is good at many jobs but master of none in my opinion. (unless you count absolutely destroying something at 50 yards or less a job)
That being said, I choose it for me "middle of fricking nowhere" ranch gun, I never regret having one aside from having to lug the fricker around all day.
There's no guns in the world more satisfying to shoot than a shotgun. This is an indisputable fact. Only handguns come close.
Is he /ourguy/?
Of course.
tfw european, full magazine, collapsible stock and israelites didn't steal tip of my barrel 20"
the 20" might be a requirement of your country as they come off the line like pic rel with a 18 inch barrel in italy.
>cuck tube
>bigass logo on the side
ruined
That's not a cuck tube, that's just the two-piece tube
gas is better
It is gas you moron. Anons really don't know shit about shotguns
the only gas im into is the kind that comes out of my wifes ass if u get what im saying haha
>M4 is gas operated not innertia like 1-3
>still ass at load variety unlike berettas, mossbergs and even the inbred morons in russia at baikal
Hitler frick off
Do what? Rob fools of their money for no perceived benefit? I agree completely anon.
I'm more of a 1301 guy myself, but sometimes having the highest end stuff is just satisfying in itself
It’s not even the best shotgun. baka
I hate the TL Racker so much it's unreal
>rusts
Hol up let him cook
This might be an untouched old production
Pre-cerebus era is before 2006 or 2008?
2007
07 but I feel Remington production was turning to trash around 06 anyway
man look at that 12 dollar HUNTLIFE sling
Do you even shotgun if you don't have a Slingster on your beater 870?
I think my M1s90 SBS is bellisima, I’ll always be an 870bro first.
Jokes on you Police Magnums are parkerized. Mine are 1988 and 2005.
Surefire chads BDE.
It’s my first semi but it gives me more than a semi.
Italians can't make shotguns for shit
you're an amerimutt
The M1 super 90 with its inertia bolt will always remain superior.
And as far as gas operated shotguns go, the Baikal MP153 is king.
The M4's only selling point is that it's in use in the military.
Debating parting with my Saiga 12 for one of these
>impossibly based, I bet you even wear patrick bateman grippy socks
I've never worn that brand before, are they expensive?
1301 Tactical Mod 2 or an A300 ultima patrol are objectively superior, and don't need a tube extension.
Thoughts on the mossberg 940 pro tactical?
Was about to ask. It looks nice. I love mossbergs. And it's only about $1000.
It’s the SilencerCo Salvo 12
Scalable from 6” to 12” in length
does it work well? is there some sort of adapter for the choke system?
It works really well. I had to send my barrel in to a guy to get threaded. I think I’m using the SilencerCo choke for the mossberg on it
I keep thinking about picking one of these things up, but I already have a police trade in 870 magnum.
But the M4 is cool.
But that's another $2k that could be going towards NODs
But...
I just picked up my turknelli M4 clone and the fit and finish is incredible, no tool marks, action is smooth, and it makes Benelli gays seethe. I'll post pictures if this thread is still up tomorrow.
is that the one that gets the bent piston rods?
No it's the one that makes your mom cum but only when I'm around.
is that what you spent all your money on so you couldn't afford a Benelli?
Your mom's clit is huge btw
Can't wait until it breaks!
>Can't wait until it breaks
Lol it has a warranty stupid, keep seething
>thinking turkshit warranties count for anything
boy are you in for a surprise.
The turkshit shotgun test is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing.
To save a few bucks more for a real shotgun is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do.
To save up money for a functioning shotgun is objectively right.
There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to save up for something better.
Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your pride and buy a turkish gun. Therefore the turkish shotgun presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
No one will punish you for not buying a better and functioning shotgun, no one will fine you or kill you for buying such a waste of chinesium. (beside your bleeding hand after it will explode)
You must save up for something better out of the goodness of your own heart. You must save up just a few bucks more because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct.
A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The turkshit shotgun is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society.
This. Still, I don't know if this apply to Winchester SXPs.
old winchesters sxp are fine. new ones made in turkey had some issues so I'd avoid them.
You mean 1200s and 1300s ? I believe all SXPs are turks.
Nice copypasta. But seriously not spending $2k on a shotgun IDC if it comes with a set of Taylor Swift breasts. I have a Mossberg 590 that I KNOW is the ultimate based scattergun that won't fail me and passed military tests, that btw the homosexual-ass Remshit 870 didn't.
Mine sucked dick and couldn't cycle shit all. All the other M-series guns serve(d) me better.
>it's OK if it's shit, I'll just go without my gun while I send it back to a company that probably won't exist in a few years and hopefully they'll send one back that isn't dogshit
are you the moron that used to make threads about the 15 dollar Amazon red dots? because that blibbering imbecile had the same theory.
I'll buy something from a company that gives out products that don't break and that I could rely on to actually fix something if it did.
What the frick are you blabbering on about? I've shot a M2 in competition for longer than you've been around you disingenuous shit, I tried a M4 for the hell of it and it didn't work well, so I went back to what I know what works. I'm AGAINST the shilling of the M4 you dunce, stop putting words in my mouth. I swear to Christ people have zero reading comprehension skills nowadays.
what if you used your brain for once instead of screeching into the void? that reply is to the wrong post.
So you’re saying I should buy a m4?
The Beretta blink system cycles faster and more reliably so no. It's sadly been outclassed. That pig fat boat looking shotgun will never look half as cool as a benelli though no matter how much money you throw at it.
>It's sadly been outclassed
I don't know about that. I'm a 1301 owner (I've only ever shot somebody else's M4) but I wouldn't be surprised if the M4 was more robust and able to handle more extreme conditions. That plastic mag tube/gas system shroud on the 1301 doesn't give me a ton of confidence that it would do well in the cold, or under extended heavy use. Beretta markets it as a law enforcement/home defence grade shotgun. I don't think it's intended to hold up to the same abuse an M4 is.
Why sight radius so smol
I have handguns with more precision
It’s a shotgun moron.
I like pump though. I wish I could get a 1:1 repro of the Winchester 12....THAT is the best!
I am a man of my word.
Looks like diarrhea, it’s like they were trying to warn you but you missed the signs
Benelli offers the same color you dork.
Supposedly these clones work up to 500 rounds then fail. I'm going to run 100 rounds of 1400 fps slugs and 100 rounds of 1350 buckshot to break it in.
Damn that looks so bad, but props to you for actually buying a gun. I hope it functions properly and doesn’t break because it’s turkshit
looks cool man!
why buy this when you could get several shotguns for the same price?
because nobody shooting a great gun ever thought "I wish I had several worse guns instead"
I wish I could shoot 7 guns at once
Is there a good modern semi-auto that can take a Bayonet? The closest I've gotten to it is a 1301 where I use a APG Universal Bayonet Mount with a GG&G Quick Detach Sling and Flashlight Mount, but while that at least lets me mount a bayonet, it's a very flimsy solution that wouldn't survive any long term use.
Good to see that your serial numbers match.
>when your gun has a break period instead of a break-in period
you so funny you so funny
the rage face really sells it
Incidentally, why did we call them rage faces?
What the frick is wrong with us?
Should I buy a maverick 88 or an a300 ultima patrol, I realize theyre totally different but I just want a shotgun
a300 is the better gun of those two
A300 is fun to shoot, the semiautomatic action cuts recoil down a lot
If you don't already have a shotgun, I would get the 88. Not everybody enjoys shotguns. It'll be easier to sell a lightly used 200 dollar shotgun for 150 than it'll be to sell an 800 dollar shotgun for 700.
Gay thread. Shotguns are universally obsolete
Just like your genitalia.
Penisbros… it’s over
I'm gay for you, anon-kun~
yeah but the SPAS-12 is cooler since you can fire it double barrel
kys