If even a fraction of the strikes attributed to it are true, above expectations.
If none of the strikes attributed to it are true, above expectations for the sheer heart attack it must be giving Russian Intelligence trying to find them.
The Russian MoD made a whole VK thread about le ebil HIMARS, complete with pics of fragments and even some leftover boards from the guidance.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1541767272825487361
Massive conflict of interest there. US HIMARS were delivered to Ukraine on the condition that they are not supposed to be used to strike Russia within its borders, so Russia has a massive incentive to tattle on Ukraine to make the US reconsider sending more. "Putin's Russia is known to lie" is perhaps the greatest understatement possible in the English language, so any reports of HIMARS rocket remains in Russian territory by Russia are to be distrusted.
The strikes inquestion were in Russian-held territory, not Russia itself.
But Britain also gave Ukraine M31A1 rockets and eventually will transfer M270s, and they've said they're cool with their munitions being used to attack strategic targets in Russia
If you want to be completely old blood vendetta, Tzar Nicholas II was the great uncle of Queen Elizabeth.
I'd love to think that British crown never forgave the soviets for killing the Romanovs. They were family, Tzar Nicholas II was a first cousin of Queen Victoria.
Putin would be the direct inheritor of that blood debt
That's probably not the true reason, but it would be pretty damn based.
Systems like the S-500 Prometheus capable of intercepting ballistic and cruise missiles will become more and more common in the future as more and more countries acquire sophisticated ballistic/cruise missiles.
Bayraktar is cheaper than those missiles. Send mixed drone swarm to exhaust missiles and all you need is one more drone than that launcher has missiles.
more like 20 of them. lots of countries have donated HIMARS launchers and missiles to ukraine.
Massive conflict of interest there. US HIMARS were delivered to Ukraine on the condition that they are not supposed to be used to strike Russia within its borders, so Russia has a massive incentive to tattle on Ukraine to make the US reconsider sending more. "Putin's Russia is known to lie" is perhaps the greatest understatement possible in the English language, so any reports of HIMARS rocket remains in Russian territory by Russia are to be distrusted.
great britain said hitting russia with their launchers is a-ok, and even gave them the longer range missiles. good luck proving it was a US launcher that hit those two bases in russia.
supposedly blapped some HQ's and ammo dumps. It'll probably perform good but like others said I doubt 4 will be a "game changer". The big thing is Ukraine needs precision and HIMARS with the GMLRS got it. Ukraine has way less arty so they can't afford to just duel.
Anyway, hopefully more are sent in the near future.
>I doubt 4 will be a "game changer".
I won't pretend to be an expert or anything, but if they manage to delete a couple of ammo depots and other strategic targets every day, wouldn't that have a significant impact?
It launches precise rockets at ground targets that are very far away and then drives away like a boss. Russia doesn't have anything to really counter it, which makes them very butthurt.
I would say the BM-30 is more comparable to the M270, but could be compared to the HIMARS as well. The HIMARS is designed to be highly mobile above all, which is why it weighs less than half of what the BM-30 weighs. To achieve this, it compromises on firepower with half the rockets of the Smerch. The rockets of the HIMARS are also smaller and have a shorter range. Unlike the BM-30 however, the HIMARS has the option to carry a short range ballistic missile with a range of 300 kilometres. The HIMARS is also more precise.
HIMARS and m270 use modular pre loaded rocket pods. Each launcher has a winch built in so it can reload quickly and easily. BM-30 has to reload each tube individually. This coupled with the greater range and accuracy of GMLRS puts it in a league above the BM-30
Nothing. If they design a smaller rocket that can fit ten per pod then it can fire ten. As long as it fits in the pod it should be able to fire it. IIRC they tested out firing AAMRAMS from HIMARS as a stopgap medium range SAM system
That extra space is entirely there to protect the munitions from shrapnel anon.
NATO has a standard, it likes to keep is volatiles safe. For instance the missiles wont fire or explode when subjected to external debris, they will just burn out of one end.
You do realize that in order to fire upon it with anything, they need to find out where they are?
They can fire from outside the range of most russian artillery and then just drive away.
You need either air superiority or significant special operations assets in order to destroy weapons like that and the Russians have proved to be unable to establish either in Ukraine.
It’s long a long range system. It can fire from well behind friendly lines. These HIMARS are capital systems for Ukraine. You would expect to see these taken out by cruise missile strike or from aircraft
This is cope. Just 4 is allowing them to blow up russian ammo stockpiles daily. The Russians are going to have to move their stockpiles well behind the front lines, and that causes a logistical strain. So either they leave them where they are to become HIMARS food, or they stretch their logistical lines even further. Game changer
M777 doesn’t have the capabilities of the GMLRS. All of those destroyed Russian ammo stockpiles directly influences the war on the ground. Russia is going to have to truck their ammo from further away and that causes a massive strain to the already struggling Russian supply chain. It’s been over since those 4 HIMARS arrived. This is stingers in afghanistan all over again.
Looks cool.
We don't know, and you know that.
Seems to be useful but with the numbers being sent it'd have to be a star destroyer to make a decisive difference
It's doing well enough that after the initial 4 the US is sending a lot more, training up 50 more operators.
The US is waiting to see if they can demonstrate they know how to use effectively. Has the decision been made yet?
>waiting to see if they can resist shooting it at Russian territory
fifty
If even a fraction of the strikes attributed to it are true, above expectations.
If none of the strikes attributed to it are true, above expectations for the sheer heart attack it must be giving Russian Intelligence trying to find them.
russia even confirmed some very successful HIMARS strikes
Russians found remains of HIMARS rockets on one of the strike locations
Nothing the USSR had uses this kind of pattern?
The Russian MoD made a whole VK thread about le ebil HIMARS, complete with pics of fragments and even some leftover boards from the guidance.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1541767272825487361
Ehhh, that could possibly be from a Grad too. The old rockets have 2 notched interfitted steel sleeves as the frag element.
Pic rel is the GMLRS unitary warheads body. The nose is solid and reinforced, not present here.
I'm pretty sure there was another picture where you could make out 'M31'
That pattern is strictly an M31 pattern. You just posted round stock expecting to be taken seriously
Massive conflict of interest there. US HIMARS were delivered to Ukraine on the condition that they are not supposed to be used to strike Russia within its borders, so Russia has a massive incentive to tattle on Ukraine to make the US reconsider sending more. "Putin's Russia is known to lie" is perhaps the greatest understatement possible in the English language, so any reports of HIMARS rocket remains in Russian territory by Russia are to be distrusted.
The strikes inquestion were in Russian-held territory, not Russia itself.
But Britain also gave Ukraine M31A1 rockets and eventually will transfer M270s, and they've said they're cool with their munitions being used to attack strategic targets in Russia
What makes the bongs so based but only when it comes to military matters?
Their asses are on the line.
If you want to be completely old blood vendetta, Tzar Nicholas II was the great uncle of Queen Elizabeth.
I'd love to think that British crown never forgave the soviets for killing the Romanovs. They were family, Tzar Nicholas II was a first cousin of Queen Victoria.
Putin would be the direct inheritor of that blood debt
That's probably not the true reason, but it would be pretty damn based.
At least as well as it did in Afghanistan since Ukraine is much richer in targets.
Bretty gud
It kills a lot of vatniks, so it's doing just fine
Systems like the S-500 Prometheus capable of intercepting ballistic and cruise missiles will become more and more common in the future as more and more countries acquire sophisticated ballistic/cruise missiles.
it wont you simply can outspam them for a fraction of the cost of these systems
>S-500
Pff, that's old news, the S-600 is where it's at!
Please, the S-700 is designed to shoot down small planetoids.
Very useful for russia
How is that gonna work in the world where you can easily locate it with photos from satellites?
But is it able to stop this bad boy?
S-500 is clearly optimized towards countering cruise/ballistic strikes, so even if it could shot down drones, it is overkill.
The whole russia engier power is to add old tubes on new wheels? And call it the better version?
*gets blown up by Bayraktar*
You’re thinking of the s-400 moron
Bayraktar is cheaper than those missiles. Send mixed drone swarm to exhaust missiles and all you need is one more drone than that launcher has missiles.
OH right, you are moronic. Bayraktar gets countered by another layer of SAM.
>gets btfo by a commercial chink drone stuffed with explosives
We won't know for a while now, especially with Ukkies being tight-lipped and Russian soldiers calling any rocket strike a HIMARS.
>Ukies
>being tight-lipped about western aid
Why the frick do those wheels have so many nuts? Imagine replacing it.
>get air wrench/impact gun
>takes 1 minute instead of 20 seconds like a commercial vehicle
fricking horrible
nah, it's got a standard amount of nuts. The outer rim is just there to lock the bead of the tire in place if it goes flat
bead lock wheels
Well, a bunch of ammo dumps have mysteriously exploded.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaman-special-forces-take-the-fight-across-the-border-into-russia-0l6srllwk
So good russia give up Snake island after 1 week of use
Theres like 4 of them...
And each one of them can take out an ammo dump or HQ with one salvo, in a 84km radius...
more like 20 of them. lots of countries have donated HIMARS launchers and missiles to ukraine.
great britain said hitting russia with their launchers is a-ok, and even gave them the longer range missiles. good luck proving it was a US launcher that hit those two bases in russia.
Proving to be a tactical asset:
supposedly blapped some HQ's and ammo dumps. It'll probably perform good but like others said I doubt 4 will be a "game changer". The big thing is Ukraine needs precision and HIMARS with the GMLRS got it. Ukraine has way less arty so they can't afford to just duel.
Anyway, hopefully more are sent in the near future.
>I doubt 4 will be a "game changer".
I won't pretend to be an expert or anything, but if they manage to delete a couple of ammo depots and other strategic targets every day, wouldn't that have a significant impact?
I believe it would. There are some questions about Russia's ammunition stocks.
inb4 "Soviet stockpiles"
Stockpiles in siberia also won't help you much if all your ammo depots near the frontline keep blowing up.
what is it
>t. newbie
It launches precise rockets at ground targets that are very far away and then drives away like a boss. Russia doesn't have anything to really counter it, which makes them very butthurt.
cool
How different is it compared to the BM-30 Smerch?
greater range and shoots PGMs
smerch
>150m cep
>takes hours to reload
>has to be manually aimed by a guy sitting outside
I would say the BM-30 is more comparable to the M270, but could be compared to the HIMARS as well. The HIMARS is designed to be highly mobile above all, which is why it weighs less than half of what the BM-30 weighs. To achieve this, it compromises on firepower with half the rockets of the Smerch. The rockets of the HIMARS are also smaller and have a shorter range. Unlike the BM-30 however, the HIMARS has the option to carry a short range ballistic missile with a range of 300 kilometres. The HIMARS is also more precise.
HIMARS has more range.
HIMARS and m270 use modular pre loaded rocket pods. Each launcher has a winch built in so it can reload quickly and easily. BM-30 has to reload each tube individually. This coupled with the greater range and accuracy of GMLRS puts it in a league above the BM-30
Forgot pic
US logistics are always incredibly impressive
The warnings always make me chuckle. Like, I know US infantry are moronic meatheads, but is the "Do not drop" warning really necessary?
I like the
>FIRE THIS WAY
on rocket launchers
The yanks are cucks for not sending the 500km ammo
Considering all the seething, it must be fricking legendary.
Ukraine needs to keep hitting the ammo supplies.
4 of them are a game changer
>4
>He thinks glowey send only four.
What's preventing it from having 10 rounds per launcher?
probably weight rating of the internal crane if I had to guess ?
compatibility with old m270s i guess
Nothing. If they design a smaller rocket that can fit ten per pod then it can fire ten. As long as it fits in the pod it should be able to fire it. IIRC they tested out firing AAMRAMS from HIMARS as a stopgap medium range SAM system
That extra space is entirely there to protect the munitions from shrapnel anon.
NATO has a standard, it likes to keep is volatiles safe. For instance the missiles wont fire or explode when subjected to external debris, they will just burn out of one end.
it's also needed by the loading crane
Arguably you can minimise the size of that, it's mostly protection not load bearing
I don't get it - if the enemy gets to fire upon this with anything larger than an AK this thing is majorly fricked.
You do realize that in order to fire upon it with anything, they need to find out where they are?
They can fire from outside the range of most russian artillery and then just drive away.
You need either air superiority or significant special operations assets in order to destroy weapons like that and the Russians have proved to be unable to establish either in Ukraine.
It’s long a long range system. It can fire from well behind friendly lines. These HIMARS are capital systems for Ukraine. You would expect to see these taken out by cruise missile strike or from aircraft
Don't forget shrapnel. Don't want a near miss taking them out.
Mainly that the 6 tubes are used from the M270 MLRS,
If you look at the launch platform of the M270 you can see that they basically made half the M270 launcher and then mounted it on the back of a truck.
Performing well as intended, but the Ukrainians will need more of those to really make a difference.
This is cope. Just 4 is allowing them to blow up russian ammo stockpiles daily. The Russians are going to have to move their stockpiles well behind the front lines, and that causes a logistical strain. So either they leave them where they are to become HIMARS food, or they stretch their logistical lines even further. Game changer
Just like the m777 right?
nope, that was to let them use ammo they have but doesn't fit in soviet guns
M777 doesn’t have the capabilities of the GMLRS. All of those destroyed Russian ammo stockpiles directly influences the war on the ground. Russia is going to have to truck their ammo from further away and that causes a massive strain to the already struggling Russian supply chain. It’s been over since those 4 HIMARS arrived. This is stingers in afghanistan all over again.
works pretty well. this is just one of 4 russian bases (now former bases) the ukrainians hit earlier this week.
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So how many HIMARS will send?
seems to have royally pissed off the resident russian shills
>6 rockets
uh bros? Last time I checked the Grad had like two dozens of rockets? How can HIMARS compete?
each GMRLS rocket hits its targets, Grads are lucky if they arrive in the nearest postal code