Is there something I'm missing here? If you look around at bushcraft and camping stuff ALOT of the material is sperging about splitting wood with a sub optimal tool. When you look at knife focused stuff it becomes almost obsessive. What is so fascinating about this? Do people really spend large amounts of time breaking down tons of wood and for what? Beyond getting a fire properly going with bigger chunks and a nice coal bed what is the fixation on making stick sized wood shards in the dumbest way instead of just using sticks? It comes off as autistic cope for geartards looking for something to do.
It is an autistic cope. It started with people testing survival knives in the early 2ks when that sort of thing was popular, but people confused it for a technique and not a niche torture test with no real application, now a whole industry has grown up in selling knife shaped crowbars to indoor cats
>b-but one time (insert super specific and unrealistic scenario where youd be slightly inconvenienced if you couldnt use your man-jewlery knife as a battering ram and destroy it) and a 50 dollar kershaw wouldn't have done that!!
>destroys entire personality for $0
Nothing personel kid
That's pretty much what I was guessing. It's just weird with how pronounced it is with knifetards. Like it's cool to know that some guy shot a hipoint after filling it with sand and shit and it still worked but that test/story isn't really relevant enough to take up half the space in any conversation about handguns. Besides the gear sperg is the general idea that batoning is some sort of essential, high skill ultimate survival hack. It gets old seeing all the pointless nonsense.
Batoning has been around for several hundred years. The Nata knife was made for batoning, that knife came out in like 1604.
>nata
>knife
A nata is a froe.
It's actually a machete.
Still a knife.
You still baton and chop with it. Still doesn't change the fact that batoning is nothing new.
>Nata knife
>made for batoning
A nata is, in my humble opinion the same a billhook is in the west: a multi functional agriculture tool.
I can split wood with my billhook, but it wasn't made for that.
I can cut food with it too, albeit a bit awkwardly depending on the pattern. Wasn't made for it either.
Pretty good at clearing brush which is closer to its actual day to day use.
Everyone always forgets the humble billhook, which is such a nice outdoors tool.
>It comes off as autistic cope for geartards looking for something to do.
It is.
Batoning thin shit (2-3 inches max) so you can size it down into a piece you can do some nice feathers is fine, but weirdly enough the people who like batony-chop-chop think the opposite, you baton large logs and anything small you just throw as-is into the fire that you don't have yet so you gotta baton chop chop those 8 inch logs.
You should really have included the batony chop chop webms.
Which I don't have at hand right now either...but they would have been a nice inclusion.
>but they would have been a nice inclusion.
Ah, found two.
And...
I recall another nice one, but I don't seem to have saved it.
I remember "I have been cucked by a log".
That was the exact one I was thinking of. The webms with the (fake) subtitles are the best, kudos to whoever made them.
So, I searched for it as I doubted I hadn't saved it, turns out it just had an automated PrepHole filename.
This is what happens when you’re a fat mutt who uses an Ameican toy knife like an idiot. A Nordic chad would have a proper outdoor knife with a scandi grind and a thick spine that can easily withstand batoning.
What's that little homosexual knife?
No wonder you think you need an axe.
>collect a bunch of sticks
>light them
>collect a bunch of bigger sticks
>add them to fire
>collect a bunch of thick pieces or broken logs
>jump on them to break them down more
>add them to fire
>drag over big ass log
>add to fire
no tools required
This whole discussion, from either side, is fricking moronic. It's like arguing over whether or not you should build a teepee or a log cabin fire. The best method is the one that works.
Batoning is good if:
>you don't have an axe on you
>if the wood you're processing is small enough that it would be awkward to do with an axe
>if your knife can take it (most important part)
There's no reason to try to baton big wood. Just use an axe or a different splitting technique. But at a certain point it makes sense to split wood down the middle because full rounds don't like to burn. This also works for wet wood that hasn't been soaked through all the way.
>Batoning is good if:
>>you don't have an axe on you
>>if the wood you're processing is small enough that it would be awkward to do with an axe
Yeah I don't understand why people are letting themselves get bothered over this. Its like complaining about having too many options.
>collect a bunch of sticks
What if everything is wet besides your firewood?
Ass captcha
>What if everything is wet besides your firewood?
Why the frick would you have a bunch of dried firewood and no axe?
Cause batoning is better.
>drag over big ass log
We call that "goating" or "getting your goat on". Started with a tree stump at high mountain lake
can you go more in depth
he has low test and wants to break his knife, let him be.
It's easy, takes no prep., works every time if you have the right tools, produce tinder, impresses newbies and lower-skilled people, is fun.
What's the problem?
>impresses newbies and lower-skilled people
Cope.
I love the look in a beginner's eye when I show them they don't need to carry a heavy axe anymore.
Beginning at what, thinking? Your promethean view of breaking wood with something pointy to amaze others speaks to the unactivated nature of your almonds.
>boomer moment.
Axes are irrelevant. Just carry a fulltang knife.
>i'd rather have one tool that does the job of two tools poorly, than the right tool for the job
Maybe if you'd carry around some extra weight for a while you'd grow a little muscle on those twigs of yours.
>carry around some extra weight
Larper spotted
t. not ultraligt gay
Not to derail, but can we all agree Benchmade has lost their minds. Gun prices for a pocket knife...a pocket knife. Its gotten out of hand
this
Bitchmades are the funkpops of the knife world. I work in the gear section of an outdoors store, the only people who buy benchmades are knife collectors. no one who actually goes innawoods buys them, they just want to collect the different colors.
Always seemed to me that people who actually go PrepHole buy decent knives but more on a budget - I do in any case, so I won't feel so bad when I inevitably break it or frick it up beyond repair. High end knives are for collectors in my eyes. Is that something you see in practice? Or is that just some bullshit I've made up?
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So what you're telling me is I should beat knives into logs. . . for kindling
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>getting this upset over the way someone you don't know processes kindling
People making fun of you does not mean they're upset.
To be fair, statistically it is a good bet based on the tone of the fun making. It's not "haha", it's "I earnestly hate this thing." This took over as the majority style of mockery on PrepHole from about 2012-2014.
>This took over as the majority style of mockery on PrepHole from about 2012-2014.
Based noticer of things.
>processes kindling
like gathering sticks off the ground?
Gathering isn't processing,.but for convenience let's assume it is. It's one way of doing a thing, and maybe that's the way you want to do it. That's fine. Maybe another anon wants to do it a different way, and that's also fine. Getting on a Slovenian waxing forum and pitching a fit over how that anon does it is moronic.
That's a $300 dollar knife that's being batoned there. Maybe they didn't have any money left for an axe?
Why waste money, effort and most importantly WEIGHT on an axe when you can do everything it does and more with a knife better than the shitty axe ever could do?
How much do you go out if the concept of wet fire wood is foreign to you?
I never carry an axe. Sometimes I will baton tiny logs with my Mora, but most of the time I can’t be bothered to make a fire. I’d rather drink coffee and read a book in my hammock
It's pretty relevant, but bushcrafting is a fricking meme.
I often split some wood with my knife for making a fire, as I often carry some dry firewood with me when going PrepHole
Sometimes I carry a small axe, but it's more bulky, especially when I use one of my smaller daypacks it gets in the way.
No need to go full on autist about it, use what makes the most sense for your situation.
Sometimes that will be a knife, sometimes it will be an axe.
When I am out innawoods and want to build a fire I will start with very small diameter twigs. The dead ends of pine tree branches, for example, that are about the diameter of a pencil lead. I will add twigs of increasing size, the diameter of a pencil , for example, and increase the amount of wood and size of the branches until I have the fire I want.
I say all of this because I have built hundreds of fires in all conditions over the years. I have a nice wood fire going in my Fisher Papa Bear wood stove right now. I am currently burning a mix of seasoned red oak and white oak I harvested about 3 years ago.
Anyway, I do not have anything against batoning but I rarely do it. Just never need to. Is it because I live in Appalachia and fire wood is so plentiful ? So I never have to baton to build a fire ?
In these knife threads someone always brings up batoning like it is some critical knife performance measure. Which is fine, but it puzzles me since I never need to do it. It would be a waste of time and energy for me to baton because the size wood I need is always available.
I prefer knife for batoning wood in a hot tent, which is very common here, due to being way above the arctic circle.
An axe is simply less useful and more cumbersome inside the tent.
Going outside to split wood in deep snow when it's cold as frick is no fun.
We have a traditional PrepHole knife here called finnkniv, it's pretty much the same as a leuku in Finland.
The knife is designed for chopping, but we use it for everything, batoning wood, as a bread knife and to gut fish, etc.
Use whatever is most practical for your use case, don't let your choices be dictated by some youtube persona or random larper on here.
A hatchet is infinitely more useful in wood processing than a knife, and if you're incapable of carrying one you need to be in the ER because you're too weak to be alive.
It also isn't damaged by doing so.
Are you mentally handicapped?
Did you understand what I wrote?
Using an axe inside a tent is much more of a hassle, and it serves fewer roles than a big knife.
You are a larping homosexual that doesn't actually go PrepHole
When I split wood outside, I use an axe, when I'm in a hot tent in the mountains, I use my big fricking knife, because it's more practical.
>Are you mentally handicapped?
No sir.
>Did you understand what I wrote?
Everything fully, yes.
>Using an axe inside a tent is much more of a hassle, and it serves fewer roles than a big knife.
Sounds more like user error than wrong tool.
>You are a larping homosexual that doesn't actually go PrepHole
Incorrect. I have spent at least 40% of my lifetime outdoors.
>When I split wood outside, I use an axe, when I'm in a hot tent in the mountains, I use my big fricking knife, because it's more practical.
Sounds like you are projecting your fantasy out onto the world. Your tent walls represent your psyche. What do you think the knife represents?
Mentally handicapped indeed.
How is an axe better than a knife for spreading butter on your bread?
You are quite literally projecting your fantasy on others.
I very rarely would have any benefit in bringing an axe, I'm not going to chop any trees, at most some branches for stakes when setting up the tent, once for the winter season.
Tent is set up in january-february, and then it's left there until may when snow starts melting, I will not save any measurable amount of time in setting it up by bringing an axe.
Firewood is cut at home, and brought up as needed, only have to split some for kindling when firing up the stove, literally takes 10 seconds with my knife, why do I need an axe?
There are many use cases where a knife is better than an axe for typical axe work.
I can use the knife for a million things, the axe can chop wood and open the fishing holes that froze over during the night, but so can the knife.
A knife isn't cumbersome to have hanging on your belt, the axe is.
I have zero reason for bringing my axe to my winter camp.
Axe stays with the firewood at home, and for cutting trees I use a chainsaw.
Do you know what a hatchet is you moron? If you can't handle using a hatchet in a tent you are either physically handicapped or so obese that you need a larger tent.
A hatchet is always more practical for processing small wood than a knife, even in small spaces, because you don't have to autistically slap the back of a hatchet to get it through the wood, you just bring it down once and it splits.
It's apparently important to his culture to do things half assedly. You wouldn't understand how fulfilling it is to do something in a tent by your house that you've already prepared wood for. The rigors of real outdoorsmanship have eluded you in your vain quest to stay warm apart from prefurnished larp hovels. Enjoy your hatchet never snapping into shards.
What benefit would I get by bringing an axe instead of my knife?
I only have to split wood rarely, literally done in two chops with my knife, about the same as with a hatchet, while serving a frick ton of more roles, unlike the hatchet.
What benefit does an axe bring for general PrepHole use?
It doesn't, you just want to larp as big strong man, but you don't actually go out.
Not matter how much patchouli beard oil you use, you will never be manly, even with your unecessary axe.
>I only have to split wood rarely
There's the actual reason you're not bringing a hatchet.
And why it doesn't make sense for most people, because splitting some wood once in a while is what most people do at camp.
For MOST people, bringing an axe doesn't make sense.
And unless you larp as some survivalist bullshit you saw on television, you bring your own firewood, because burning damp wood sucks sweaty balls, so you bring dry wood to camp.
And I don't want to chop down a bunch of trees where I like to camp, as there's sparse with trees there already.
I've been winter camping in the same area for almost 20 years, and i would like to keep doing it for many more, so I try to preserve it.
A knife that can handle batoning is important, because a broken blade sucks, and if you go PrepHole, you will occasionally baton some wood, but outside larping not enough to justify an axe.
>using dead standing is a larp
>better pay for firewood elsewhere and fricking carry it all the way to camp
>whoops, ran out of firewood, guess the fire will just go out now
I cut my own timber for firewood.
There aren't really many dead trees near my camp.
And I need neither knife or axe for that, this is the arctic, the trees aare small enough in the mountains that I just break them over my knee.
An axe is mostly larp for recreational PrepHole, axes are for splitting a lot of wood and chopping the occasional tree.
Most people do not benefit enough from an axe to justify the extra weight and bulk.
Nothing wrong with larping, but don't try to make it to be anything else.
Forgot, a silky saw would be a better choice to bring over an axe for 99% the shit pushed here.
Nice looking leuku.
Batoning comes in handy when proper logs are available, for example at wilderness huts. It's a really quick way to make some small sticks.
Where the frick are you regularly camping in a hut that doesn't have an axe? Or we can chop right to the real issue and ask where are you camping that has precut firewood but no sticks? I'm just not seeing this as an even occasional problem since nowhere in the world do trees not have limbs. Are you camping in a parking garage with only a precut bundle in your trunk?
NTA but either you've never stayed at a wilderness hut or you're well aware that they don't come stocked with a supply of tools and you're just acting dumb on purpose. Which is it?
Wilderness huts in Finland sometimes don’t have axes nor small sticks. Instead there often is a a good amount of bigger logs and a sort of fixed blade system you can use to split them.
And sure, you could go collect some twigs provided you’re not in the tundra, but why the hell would you do that rather than do a bit of batoning and make tinder of far superior quality yourself?
I find batoning small branches provides much better starting wood to get a fire going, probably through exposing the drier inner part of the branches which will burn a lot more easily. But once that's going I agree you can just chuck bigger stuff on and don't need to baton big logs.
I only do this at home with a little tomahawk though, not when camping.
Also to add, I'm in Australia where a lot of the branches you're collecting are going to be pretty green
Because they can't find a deer to gut and skin so they don't really know a knife is actually all about.
Give me one good reason why I shouldn’t be batoning.
It's a practical way to get dry, thin wood from the inside of dead standing trees to get the fire started even in shitty weather. You also can't control the thickness as well with a hatchet/axe. When you have gotten the fire going you don't need to split anymore. You can save the weight of the axe as well. Most times I just carry a tajima folding saw and a knife. If your knife is thick and has full tang it's gonna be fine.
>You also can't control the thickness as well with a hatchet/axe.
Bruh way to scream out that you have no idea what you're doing.
>You can save the weight of the axe as well.
How weak are you?
No matter how strong you are, there's a weight budget to what you carry with you.
You'd need to sacrifice 2 kg of something else to bring your larp axe no matter what, or take that penalty.
There is literally no other reason than larping to bring an axe for general PrepHole stuff.
If you're in a situation where you need a fire and don't have any way to access an axe or wood from a shop then you should be burning twigs not blutnening your knife
Correct, and if there's deadfall there, you can just break some branches by hand.
An axe rarely makes sense for PrepHole, unless you are there specifically to chop wood or some softcore survival larping.
We didn't even get a knife for survival training while I was in the army, had to do without.
Are the people here mentally moronic/illiterate? No one gives a shit if you think no one needs an axe while PrepHole, that's what hatchets are for. People have brought up hatchets multiple times ITT yet some people keep whining about axes for some reason.
A hatchet is just a smol axe, doesn't do the job of either an actual axe or a knife.
Purely larp, it serves no real purpose.
Buy one if you want to consoom, but you'd get a far more useful tool in simply getting a big fricking knife (leuku or similar).
Even a shitty Walmart hatchet is significantly easier to cut wood with than a knife and will probably last longer. I've never had to baton with a knife while backpacking, it seems like a genuinely useless skill for people that don't value their possessions.
You probably have never used a knife designed specifically to be good at that either.
It does everything a hatchet does almost as well, but is infinitely more versatile.
8" blade with thick spine and steel chosen for high toughness over super high hardness and a scandi grind.
>I've never done the thing
>but let me tell you all about it anyway
Opinion discarded
First of all, skill issue. Second, looks like you’ve never owned a quality knife.
>sKiLl iSsUe
Even though I agree with your second point you sound like a c**t. That doesn't refute walmart hatchet anon's point about the walmart hatchet.
Sure it does. As long as you’re not a spastic, batoning certainly isn’t significantly harder than using a hatchet. Batoning won’t damage a quality knife either.
I just stare at that submissive little log (35 inches thick) for a minute or so, and eventually it splits itself. That said I also have an obsidian steel knife that I took off a fallen foe around 3,500 years ago, and a priceless sheath that I fashioned out of real mermaid skin, but those are just to pass the time.
When you're as eternally badass as me, batoning becomes too easy. It ended up simply being a form of exercise to keep my wiener tough. Just became too easy to whack that giant redwood log with my pecker and immediately baton it into enough wood to heat an entire village.
I know your puny human minds can only pay attention to one post for so long, so I'll leave you with this: it was only when I focused on learning how to frick your mother from the other side of the universe that I also realised that I can fell trees and split logs just by farting at them. I don't actually have to flatulate in their direction though, it just passes a few more thousand years...
I did just pick up a chisel knife for batoning. I like batoning for situations where I don't want to whip out an axe or hatchet, especially if I'm trying to be more covert and do stealthy camping around my town. Home Depot has a decent one by fatmax called "wrecking chisel"
>take the froe pill
Wtf is that and how the frick do you use it, and for what?
Literally a tool for batoning. Typically used for making wood shingles.
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That's pretty neat, think I'll try that bit with the bicycle tube and MY KNIFE
>Literally a tool for batoning
This is why I visit this board. Why didnt I think of this?
>entire thread is two autists arguing about who's the larper
PrepHole in a nutshell
>carry two items good at separate things
vs
>carry only one item that is good at one thing, and less good but still adequate at another
how can so many people be filtered by something so simple
>youtube
All fake shit, just selling you the fantasy of gear and outdoors / camping. Obviously no one is going out batoning wood into slivers to stock their wood stoves in a hot tent they’re totally going to sleep in. In fact no one bothers cutting trees even with an axe they will bring pre-packaged firewood for their campground fire pit — NOT hiking around looking for moldy / damp deadwood to chop. YouTubers like that all live in a rural area with private property they can go out in film larping as a bushcrafting rancher scout or something — but it’s all about getting views selling people the image.
>I couldn't do the thing, so anybody else who does the thing is obviously faking
I consume that content too but I understand it’s fake, just selling an image for views.
>t. refuses to believe anything ever since mommy told him that santa isn't real
Batoning is for morons that cannot into understanding that an axe is a necessity for anyone who wants to do anything more serious than collecting squaw wood.
>but an axe is heavy and an extra piece of kit.
Pic rel get fricked
Yeah, you are surely a burly lumberjack chopping wood to survive.
Not relevant for 99.9% of PrepHole activities, where a big knife for the occasional batoning makes infinitely more sense than a fricking axe.
Yeah, I get it, this is a larp board and you like most others here, never actually go PrepHole
Given how all you've done this thread is cry about "LARPers" I seriously doubt you even go PrepHoleside.
There's a house right behind him. Who the frick argues against having an axe at your house? The thing we batoning connoisseurs have been saying all along is that there's no need to bring an axe or a hatchet with you to a regular camping trip where a knife will be totally adequate for splitting wood.
Besides, that's a shepherd's axe. Do you seriously take a shepherd's axe with you whenever you go out?
>I hate using the right tool for the job, because my brittle bones ache when I carry 1kg more than I meticulously planned. I'd rather abuse my knife instead.
I don’t hate using hatchets. Having one just isn’t worth it for me most of the time. Also, I have a quality knife that can easily withstand batoning.
What does that axe actually do better than my leuku?
I'd bring a hatchet if camping high up in late fall, since it can double up as a hammer for beating my tent pegs into the frozen ground.
That's quite literally the only time I see the point to it, and I'd probably leave the big knife at home then.
In all other circumstances I'd take a big fricking knife over an axe or hatchet, it's simply so much more versatile.
The only real argument I can see for an axe over a big knife for general PrepHole is as a fashion accessory to my flannel.
Also, it's not knife abuse, I know you might be a moronic burger, but a leuku is a traditional knife in Finland/Norway designed specifically for batoning and chopping wood.
>instead of an axe and a knife i bring a leuku and a puukko so therefore you are wrong
Exact same principle, two tools for two different jobs.
Problem solved
>head breaks off handle after 7th use
you are cranking your hawg way too hard if you break the head off
Look. Have you ever heard of a normal person bringing an axe for a camping trip? No, right? That’s NOT because an axe wouldn’t be very useful for processing firewood, but simply because NO ONE is going out bushcrafting in the deep woods, real-world campers go to a campgrounds and use pre-cut firewood for their firepits, or just charcoal for grills. Actual backpackers are going out to hike on a trail, not cut firewood. So, if you want to try this adventure of trekking out into the backcountry to process firewood in a bushcraft camp then bringing an axe would be a good idea — because who wants to split wood with a freakin knife. Once you’re committed to the bushcrafting larp then the axe becomes a necessity unless you’re specifically aiming for a different kind of larp (ie, bug out / survival packing).
And also, just because it’s a larp doesn’t mean you’re a moron for wanting to try it, larping is done at all because it’s supposed to be fun. So have fun.
>I don't like how other people define camping
>I'm going to go to multiple threads and insist on my own definitions
>everyone will stop camping the way they want because I don't like it
lol, no
So have you ever seen a normal person camping with an axe?
I see people bring hatchets out backpacking all time. Batoning is just a YouTube meme, no one actually does it irl.
>no one actually does it
I do it because 9 times out of 10 it's pissing down rain before or during my camps and it's the best/only way for me to get dry wood for starting a fire
I rarely if ever see anyone bring an axe PrepHole here.
A finnkniv (leuku) is the go-to thing for splitting the occasional log for firewood in the field here, it's what 99% here do, because it's the most practical.
For splitting a lot of firewood at home, people use an axe or a tractor mounted wood splitter.
Axe for home and cabin, finnkniv for PrepHole, that's the standard here.
We call it "finnkniv" here, but it's pretty much the same as a leuku.
Puuko isn't really a thing here, but many will bring a smaller knife to serve the same purpose.
I've tried some of those cheap china shit hatchets and I have to agree with other anon, they usually break wway too easily.
They don't even do the job of splitting wood and chopping small trees any better than an appropriate knife either.
Seems to be just as meme as those bowie knives that rambo obsessed autists here buy.
No, that actually happens very often.
You go PrepHole to camp, hunt or whatever, temp drops and you need a fire.
There might not be much deadfall in the area, or you happen upon a camp site stocked with some firewood, so you might have to chop some small trees or split some kindling.
Only a turboautist will bring an axe for a normal hike, but every mentally sound person will bring a knife.
The problem with battening is there is never a situation where somebody would have a knife and need to break up a log without any access to an axe.
There just no serious situation this could happen.
Incorrect
Name a single scenario
>scenario: I want to process kindling but I did not bring an axe
Shit, that was difficult
This man carries a log around for his batonny chop chop but no axe.
>carries a log around
You do know that not everyone has to haul wood in when they camp, right? You've heard of dead standing?
Yeah? That's how you batonny chop chop? Take a good hard look in the mirror and ask yourself if you've ever taken a step outside.
>beep beep boop beep
The type of quality argument you'd expect from the type of people who claim to baton snags (go google that - I know you will).
My brother in christ, are you high
So you're travelling such a distance that you have no source if wood and somehow can't bring an axe
>dead standing
>no source of wood
wut
I have no idea what you said
If you are in the situation where you do not have any way to access an axe and want a fire then you do not need to break up wood at all
Because he never actually goes outside
>using a knife for batonny
How fricking sharp was that axe?
Is this webm implying that axe couldn't have done that job safely?
My experience with batoning is this:
if you do not have a good rationale to carry an axe, you can carry a knife and still be able to largely carry out the function of an axe.
weight vs ease of use is essentially the tradeoff - I frick my hands up a bit when batoning. with a hatchet, not so much.
batoning is one of the more challenging things you can do with your knife, and so it means that the knife can survive most things you throw at it.
who taught her to use an axe, wtf
either it stands on its own on a chopping block or you put it where you want it and lightly tap them both on the ground until it has stuck itself in just enough to lift both, then you lift the axe
at least the video serves to show what you shouldn't do
anon this hatchet design is just bad. with a typical wood handle you can at least repair it to some degree in the field
>either it stands on its own on a chopping block or you put it where you want it and lightly tap them both on the ground until it has stuck itself in just enough to lift both, then you lift the axe
Or just hold the piece you want to chop in place with another piece of wood
fair, but fiddly. depends on what you're chopping I guess
Despite my anti-axe posting in this thread, an axe was used to split wood in the field this weekend.
Buddy had an axe strapped to his snowmobile, and we had a lot of wood to split as it wasn't perfectly dry.
A knife would have sufficed, but we did save probably 2-3 minutes by using the axe.
I will continue my anti-axe stance for hiking and skiing.
Don't worry, you'll come around eventually.
>this thread
Remember when batoning wood use the end of the hatchet to frick your knife to shit.
Using a hatchet is superior to using a branch because it establishes dominance over the kn*fe and hopefully kills it
I hate those dogshit chink hatchets enough that I would probably use it that way over actually using it for splitting anything.
Depends what axe you are using as well, not easy to do if you have a huge fricking splitting axe.
The only downside to batoning is that it can’t be used in a tactical situation due to the noise it produces.
What's the tacticool chopping?
>stack up outside of compound
>intel suggests 22-30 hungry isis fighters
>squad lead orders me to deploy the cook kit, hoping to lure out them out and pick them off silently outside of their defensive positions
>realize I forgot the alcohol stove
>realize I forgot my batoning knife
>isis fighters recognize the sound of my axe splitting wood and start lobbing grenades outside the walls
and that's how I earned my purple heart
It’s important to be able to split the log with one hit, that’s why you must use an ax or a hatchet. Strike hard, strike true, and just as the steel kisses the wood, let out a little scream to hide the sound of the chop.
I often carry an esee 6 and a little buck saw by qiwiz. Lightweight wood processing kit that csn fit inside a pocket. Allows me to easily make a fire from the big wood left behind by those who cannot process wood.
So many baton cucks triggered by this post lol
in yo dreams
The thread is 90% posts making fun of batoning
>coping
Nobody gives a shit if you decide you want to abuse your knife larping around. But you're a moronic larper and we're letting you know.
Nobody gives a shit if you just call everything you don't like larping, try to be more creative
Batoning is the embodiment of backyard larping, and you know it. You go do your knifey-smackey on those perfectly cut logs you people always find laying around on your PrepHole "adventures".
Wait, do you think that people don't carry saws? Is that a larp too now? kek
No, people carry saws. Idiots who baton don't.
>i carry a saw but refuse to carry a hatchet
Explain this behaviour to me please, why would you not bring a hatchet but bring an expensive knife that you are going to ruin
A quality knife won't be ruined by batoning.
Yes it will, just a lot slower
You won't "ruin" it but you'll damage it if you do it more than once or twice and we're talking knives that cost an arm and a leg
So basically either it will either ruin a $50 knife or damage a $600 knife knocking down resele value, either way you're down $50, and all this because you refuse to buy a $10 hatchet
Any use "damages" a tool, unless you have a magical blade that never needs to be sharpened
>Any use "damages" a tool
and misuse causes significantly more damage.
Like hammering a thin blade into a hard substance like wood.
Do you legitimately think people are trying to chop down trees with thin blades like Opinels or box cutters, or are you being willfully ignorant?
>deliberately misrepresenting the information given in an attempt to make the person look stupid
Knives are thin blades you moronic incel, they are not built with the thickness to stand up to being forced into wood, they are not tempered in the right way to stand up to being hammered into wood, and they are not the intended tool to be hammered into wood.
Just use the proper tool, it's not hard.
Proper knives are. Not my fault that you've never owned a quality knife for outdoorsmen.
>Proper knives are. Not my fault that you've never owned a quality knife for outdoorsmen.
No knives aside from specially made ones are thick enough to be compared to a hatchet, and even then they are not tempered in the proper way to withstand being forced into wood.
You cause damage to a knife every time you do this, stop pretending to be moronic.
Absolute moron opinion, there are many knives that do it fine without taking damage.
The right steel and grind for the job goes a long way.
I'm assuming you are American, as burgers seem to have a weird obsession with very shallow blade angles and weird grinds that work well for cutting paper and tomatoes on youtube, but not for actual outdoors use.
Try an actual leuku.
I think varusteleka have some cheap ones that should work, or their skrama knife.
Don't have any first hand experience with their products, but I get them in my youtube feed regularly, and opinions seem to be generally positive.
If you think buck or bowie knives are tough designs, then I can understand why you think an axe is a must.
I think this whole axe vs knife discussion is more about local differences, as the typical PrepHole knife here in the nordic countries is VERY different to the typical PrepHole knife on the other side of the atlantic.
American knives tend to be hyper focused on being razor sharp with hard and brittle steels with shallow grinds, while here we mostly use tougher steels with a bit lower hardness and scandi grinds, and generally thick spines.
>there are many knives that do it fine without taking damage.
Dulled knives are damaged knives.
I use the proper tools for processing wood, because I'm not a moronic larping basement baby.
>wehrrrr u carey hachet on hiek!?!?!?
I carry a hatchet when I will be processing found wood, because I'm not a moronic larping basement baby pretending that wasting time using tools wrong makes me cool.
>used tools are damaged tools
>every time I hit a nail with a hammer I have to buy a new hammer
>I got banned from home depot because I keep returning screwdrivers after ten minutes
>I can only eat fast food because if I put anything in my fridge it'll be damaged
the rat 5 I mentioned here
wasn't dulled from 6 nights of batoning. Just gotta have the right edge and steel.
A proper knife for outdoorsmen is a proper tool for processing wood.
Said processing being sharpening a stick to use as a stake, not beating it into solid blocks of wood.
Batoning is also a way of processing wood, and a proper knife for outdoorsmen will not be damaged from it.
Whittling wood will dull the edge more, assuming it's a good quality PrepHole knife with a tough steel.
Every time you whittle wood with a knife, you cause micro chipping of the blade.
In practice he's arguing to stop the use of knives while PrepHole, since everything will damage the blade.
Hatchets get dull with use too.
Yes, all tools experience wear, more news at 11.
My kitchen knives got damaged the other day when I sliced garlic and fileted a salmon.
You should probably have used a hatchet.
>using your kitchen knives instead of just keeping them for display
ngmi
>Batoning is also a way of processing wood, and a proper knife for outdoorsmen will not be damaged from it.
Wiping your ass with your hand is also a way of wiping, and a proper body for outdoorsmen will not be damaged from it.
What else would you wipe your ass with? Your feet?
Moss usually.
>Dulled knives are damaged knives.
Are you genuinely autistic or just dumb?
If that statement was true, you could never whittle wood with a knife, or even use it to cut open some plastic.
Since both those activities dull a knife extremely fast, and ruining it according to you.
A used knife is a dull knife, until you sharpen it.
>I use the proper tools for processing wood, because I'm not a moronic larping basement baby.
Clearly you are, since you think wear is some unnatural phenomena.
I would bet money that you have never even used an axe.
If your knife can't handle batoning, it's not a knife for outdoorsmen.
you are a little b***h
You haven’t got a clue, friendo. I’ve been consistently batoning with my 40 € puukko for about fifteen years and it’s doing just fine. I bought a 70 € leuku about six years ago and have been batoning with it ever since. It hasn’t been damaged at all. I’m not going to resell my tools, I’m going to keep using them as long as they’re functional.
>saws don't exist
So you don't go PrepHole at all. Got it.
>muh ad hominem
You really think baton morons own a single folding saw - let alone bring it?
I own knives, saws and axes. I always take a knife, and either a saw or axe as an addition.
I carry a saw if I go innawoods, or if I know I will have make stakes for deep snow.
Always carry my knife, have actually tried bringing my hatchet on some PrepHoleings lately, but I'm not convinced it brings anything to the table over a large knife.
We aren't talking fricking Opinels here, or your cute little neck knife or a tiny little skinner knife.
I carry a leuku with an 8" blade, made with spring steel and a thick spine, it can handle some chopping, literally what it was designed for.
Between someone using the knife you already carry to baton the ocassional piece of wood, and carrying a fricking axe around at all times.
Well, I know who I'd call out as larper, and it's not the guy batoning some tinder with his knife.
Brittle bones can't fathom carrying around a 1kg camp hatchet. Ultralight is a disease and you're terminal.
I can almost guarantee that i carry more weight than you for PrepHole
An axe mainly takes too much space and is clunky, with low versatility.
I know you have a small monkey brain that find things hard to understand, but an axe wouldn't bring enough benefit to outweigh the disadvantages of bringing it.
A leuku can split wood at 99% the efficiency of a hatchet, but can also gut a fish, spread butter on my bread, be used as a cooking utensil, a hatchet can chop, that's it.
I would argue that a hatchet could spread butter
You probably COULD, but at what cost?
Buttered kindling
>my magic knife that i use for both batoning and gutting fish
Absolutely and completely full of shit.
>Absolutely and completely full of shit.
Soft girly hands typed that.
You have never been outside.
Lay off youtube gear queers, and go PrepHole
You don't need a dinky little knife with CPM 3V steel and drop point kissmyass blade geometry to gut a fish.
I've filleted thousands of fish with a fricking Mora safety knife, picrel, you think I can't gut a fish with a regular PrepHole knife?
Stop projecting your incompetency on others.
Maybe you DO need that hatchet to split a fricking stick, since you are clearly a severely disabled person.
>maybe if i insult him harder it'll make me right
Keep on batoning fish.
>Keep on batoning fish
Lol, though you don't need a scalpel for gutting some fish, or for most knife work while PrepHole
A single big knife that does everything ok, is in my opinion more practical than bringing a scalpel, small knife, different folding small knife, folding saw, hatchet, race axe, splitting axe, pick axe, double axe and whatever the frick these larping morons pretend they carry PrepHole
For 99.9% of normal PrepHole shit, a single versatile knife will be enough, be that hiking, hunting, fishing, camping for a week or whatever.
If you are a snob, a second specialized knife is nice to have, but not a must have, and an axe or hatchet will come even further down the line, unless you are larping as a lumberjack in 1810 or something.
I don't get the obsession with pretending like an axe or hatchet is some kind of must have.
I have never needed an axe for general PrepHole shit, and I've been camping, fishing and hunting since I was a kid in the 90's.
Where does this glorification of axes and hatchets come from?
Why are a bunch of basement dwelling neckbeards so obsessed with them?
>you don't need a scalpel for gutting some fish
>bringing a scalpel, small knife, different folding small knife, folding saw, hatchet, race axe, splitting axe, pick axe, double axe and whatever the frick these larping morons pretend they carry PrepHole
Nobody said any of that. We just bring the right tools for the job. Splitting tool for splitting, cutting tool for cutting. I don't give much of a shit if that's two knives or a knife and a hatchet, but claiming you fillet fish with the same knife you baton with means you're either larping or moronic, or both.
Could you articulate what exactly you think is the problem with gutting a fish with a big puukko or a leuku?
I personally wouldn't fillet a fish with same edge I use for chopping wood.
I asked about gutting, not filleting.
I gut my fish with my hatchet. Your move, batonny boy.
I can respect that.
You don't fillet a fricking char, trout or even a smaller salmon for cooking over a fire.
Just spit out the bones.
Bringing just one big knife, or big knife plus a smaller one is the standard here, and this is somewhere where damn near everyone are very much PrepHole people.
Nobody actually brings a fricking axe on a hike, unless you hike once a year and only for larping.
It's not a thing people do in the real world.
>anybody who does a thing I don't like is larping
Incorrect
I don't believe you, hiking with an axe is on the same level as larping around in foreign surplus gear.
Might be a thing in burgerland, but everything is a thing there, the probably have dedicated hiking buttplugs too.
>rent free
Every time
>"dear diary" opinion
>sex toy coomer thoughts
Can I use a hammock as a fishing net? Should I use a hammock as a fishing net?
I was like some of you all, shitting all over the concept without trying it first. My first couple times batoning was with a rat 5 and a travel saw. Was able to get a couple nice big fires with these tools. Just need a longer knife for bigger pieces of wood because my knife got stuck a few times.
I think its a valuable option for some situations/setups.
It’s fun. That’s why people do it. I don’t find it particularly fun, but other people do. There’s never a good reason outside of that.