Do we know anything about it? Is it even real? Seems more like a tabloid piece than a viable defensive option but with russoids who the frick knows anymore.
Banan defense choo choo train
Do we know anything about it? Is it even real? Seems more like a tabloid piece than a viable defensive option but with russoids who the frick knows anymore.
Just JDAM it a couple of times
JDAMs can't get through. That's the point.
Its doesn't seem real at all, no.
If you want to write theorycrafting upon what such a thing would possibly look like that would be a better avenue of destruction.
Its not in any way plausible though, old railcars are not known for their protection from modern weapon systems.
>old railcars are not known for their protection from modern weapon systems
T-62s and T-55s are also not known for that. But the Russians don't seem to be bothered by it.
Sounds like something you'd see from a desperate general trying to look like he's doing all he can so Putin doesn't have him executed for treason.
Nothing to fear comrade, is proven tactic against papal HATO mercenaries*~~)
I didn't realize until today that HATO was actually how russia writes NATO. Always thought it was some homophone, conflating Hate-->NATO.
>homophone
: the word you're looking for is portmanteau
>portmanteau
Thank you; was trying to remember what that form of transformation was called.
>protection from modern weapon systems
I mean it doesn't have to "protect" against modern weapons systems, it just has to be in the way to slow down attacks.
It breaks line of sight at very least. Carts can be used as a temporary housing while fortifications are being build.
>sabatoges rail tracks
Whoops!
More like you blow up some of the train cars at both ends and geegeenoree
>one guy with an LMG wipes out any defenses inside 6 cars in 10 seconds
>a few MG teams completely shred everything with a line of sight in the same time
I'm not seeing the viability here. That shit's not armored at all.
It's a barrier not a fighing position. Plus scrap metal is abundant in the area.
Russia is getting their ass kicked bro
if we remember the functionality of the tsar bell and the tsar cannon, uh
How the hell does that work?
1. Big
2. Very big
3. Very, very big.
4. Very, very big = very, very heavy.
5. Very, very heavy = hard to move
6. ???
7. War is go fine, cumrade, not to asking so many questions.
Russia lost this war on or about April 2, 2022. Every single thing since then has just been bickering about how badly Russia lost the war.
This is objective fact; No serious observer thinks otherwise
I agree, though why April 2nd specifically?
nta, but I'd assume Bucha
And not Ukrainians fully retaking Kyiv Oblast?
Could be that, too. I only looked at that one page because I'm lazy and don't want to wade through a million "Here are the things that happened on this day in history" pages that came up.
It's on your screenshot
God I wish and pray every single fricking day that Bucha and all the other shit they've done happens to regular Russians but 10x worse, that these disgusting bug creatures hold their dead children in their arms in the street and cry their shitty crocodile tears on the concrete after indiscriminate rocket attacks. They caused two years of the worst atrocities imaginable for absolutely no reason and with zero empathy or remorse, I will not rest until it comes back to haunt them. I never knew hundreds of thousands of conscious human beings speaking my language could do this. Disgusting subhuman cattle
>God I wish and pray every single fricking day that Bucha and all the other shit they've done happens to regular Russians but 10x worse
Why stop there? I say we finish what Generalplan Ost started.
>They caused two years of the worst atrocities imaginable
A little rape and murder is really tame compared to some of the stuff that goes on in the world at any given time, take a chill pill and let the millstone of time grind on as it always has
I know man, it just hits way harder than you'd imagine when it's innocent people you share a native language and more or less a culture with. It breaks my heart. You won't truly get it until you feel hatred so sincere and vicious you'd never consider it possible. I wish nothing but pure and absolute suffering on ziggers holy shit
>share a native language and more or less a culture with
Assuming you're not russian or ukrainian, what are you who share a native tongue (russian I presume) with ukraine? Or are you talking about the more general slavic tongue?
nta but could be baltic diaspora, belarussian, "moldovan", khazak and so on.
Not that anon either, but I'm guessing he might be Ruthenian from either Poland or Slovakia. My grandmother was Ruthenian from a town in what's now Slovakia, very close to the Ukrainian border, and shared both a church and a nearly identical language with Western Ukrainians. Much of my mom's parish growing up were from Ukraine and her childhood prayer book is actually a Ukrainian one as well.
I'm Belarusian
How many could you freeze if you blew up some siberian towns water heating plant in the middle of winter?
The way many people hated the Japanese for decades after WWII is going to be how it is for Russians in the future. If a Russian tourist is in your city spit on him
ukraine is literally on the last 10% of manpower 90% of their army has been decimated. they wouldnt be kidnapping pregnant women for conscription if that wasnt the case
If 90% of their army was decimated then they'd still have 81% of their army, pidor. I understand that English as a second language can be kinda tough but you should really put a little more effort in
Not to be pedantic, but I believe the math says they would have 91% of their army remaining if 90% of the army was decimated.
I don't think that's a "defensive line".
More like "These are the broken/fricked rail cars that can't be used anymore. Wheels fricked, ball bearings ground to dust, taking them to railways will just harm the rails" kind of cars. So they just hoard them on some old out-of-use rail laine to get them out of the way of those cars that can still be used.
It's basically a dump yard. Rail cars make terrible cover. Rifle rounds go through them, you can't use them for housing troops, it is just a glaringly obvious target for aerial and artillery strikes, and to turn them into better fortifications you would have to bolt thick steel plates on them for all those kilometers worth of tracks. And if the enemy wants, they can breach through that rather easily. A few bigger bombs will make a hole in that.
It would be just easier to dig trenches than to try turn rail cars into a defensive line. That's why I think it's some kind of logistical solution. Clear the rail lines out of useless cars by dumping them out of the way.
yeah, but this was:
1) very cheap
2) very fast
If I had a choice I would rather have that then nothing at all. Rail cars can conceal you, provide housing for troops while they dig in.
this
Russian innovation does it again. NATO war planners again on back foot, shitting pants. Battle-Millipede generating new levels of FUD.
BTW, repairing bombed out rail lines on flat land is very quick and easy, and has been well sorted for well over 100yrs.
nice reddit tier sarcasm moron. If you bothered reading article you would know that line of carts is static and that Russians just left them there.
They don't have time or resources to do that. Also I would rather sleep in railcar then in tent while digging the trenches. This is just a stop gap solution. It is 30km away from front and UAF couldn't advance more than 1 km in Zaporizhzhia. Russians will have enough time to prepare another defensive line in case of attack.
It is static, likely they will just leave those railcars as is.
mb UAF advanced 7 km in depth at Robotine.
housing your soldiers in rail cars instead of dug-outs or just normal buildings is like camping them in tents on an open field in full view of enemy aerial recon. There is no hard cover. They have no advantage of being in a trenchline our fo shrapnels way. And again, you can see the damn thing from miles away!
I would take a small foxhole in the nearest hedge any day over that thing. That thing is a death-trap.
>very cheap
>very fast
Digging a hole costs nothing and if you think building tents takes time then go outside right now.
you need time, you need excavators, you need man power you fricking moron
I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be used as a defensive position itself, it's just an obstacle that's more like czech hedgehogs or dragon's teeth, something meant to slow down and bottleneck tanks and other vehicles while artillery pounds them.
I actually think it could be pretty effective in that role, it'll take some pretty serious combat engineer work to break through since you can't just uncouple a car out of the middle of a 19 mile long train and even if you bomb or artillery strike it you'll just create even more of a mess to try and get through, so I think the only real option is to cut through the couplings (probably with shaped charges) and then winch the train car out of the way, probably work that has to be done by hand and under enemy fire.
>it'll take some pretty serious combat engineer work to cut thin sheet metal
a trench (literally a hole in the ground) is more effective
Why not do both.
The Russians are making a pretty profound statement here. They ain’t leaving.
Ukraine could actually learn a thing or two and build defence in depth instead of forcing these moronic WW1 style pitched battles but who am I kidding, it’s all somehow the US’s fault according to the brainiacs in Kyiv.
A trench big enough to be a serious obstacle to tanks etc. takes a lot more time, equipment, and manpower to dig than just rolling a shitload of old train cars onto an existing track.
>doing something actually effective is more expensive than doing something that won't work at all
Yes.
If you aren't moronic drones can't see you inside a rail car. But these are Russians we're talking about. If it's 19 miles long you can start fake fires so they don't know where the troops are placed.
russians always reveal themselves by throwing heaps of trash everywhere, tracking those is much more effective than looking for fires
they might have filled them with dirt
partially or fully
fyi, most armored trains in WWI were "armored" with bins of gravel or sand bolted on from the inside
there was only a handful of land battleship sort of trains
Isn't this like the old broken down tanks dug down and made in to armored defense posts? I Imagine filling the railcars with sandbags and laying minefields and barbed wire in front would do the trick
You could also just, you know...lay the sandbags and minefields without the train cars. How is adding some thin sheet metal boxes to this equation supposed to help anything?
Fair enough. I imagine it's also a big fat target for artillery
>it's also a big fat target for artillery
It's not only one car you armchair general moron. It's a few miles. That's a lot of artillery to waste and you don't even know if someone is inside. Maybe they dug in below the rail car.
I mean you have to be pretty fricking moronic to want to bomb entire train and not just make a hole in it to advance. Chill out man.
>Make a hole to advance
>Russians swarm the hole like a fricking ants
Will be interesting
Probably easier to go around
Each rail car cost around 100,000$ and it's hard to replace them. They are actually mainly Russian rail cars.
It's cost productive to blow them up with artillery even if they are empty.
Rail cars shouldn't be stationary 4 miles from a front for days.
I can't even believe I have to say this.
>It's cost productive to blow them up with artillery even if they are empty...
...if the cars are still usable to the Russians. If (big "if", I know) this is just a repurposed graveyard of damaged or useless cars, then it's much less cost-effective.
Sure why not. I'll go full logic. That's a passenger car not a cargo car. It requires certain parts which can be shifted to other cars which are broke. Lowest cost 1,000,000. Highest 2.5 million assuming it works.
This is how stupid Russians are.
2,100,000,000$
That rail line will be shortly unusable for decades so they'd best not be attached to it. Those unfamiliar with rail see railcars differently than they are, the way idiot teentards dream of shipping containers. Ukraine need only smoke a few cars to immobilize it, or to coerce extra effort interfere with the process by killing locomotives which are very high value targets requiring heavy equipment to recover (which can then be killed when it shows up as it's less common than locos and more valuable along with its skilled crew).
It's a balloon defense tied to railbed, not a string of bunkers and manually digging into railroad gravel with e-tools would be amazingly shitty. (I manually spread one dump truck load of ballast to fill in where I built my shop. The shit is designed to lock together which it does and that's critical to railway construction.) Old ballast gets rounded corners from necessary periodic tamping and must be discarded from rail use. Some interesting videos cover the process.
Russia is playing moronic larper and it shows. The railcars ARE a tank barrier though requiring combat engineers to separate and drag away. They're softer than they appear but coupled and vatBlack folk have the sense to weld the couplers locked (easy) would certainly slow an attack and canalize it.
Most important is /k/ will get to see artillery effects on railcars. A JDAM would scatter one and because the right of way would be semi-permanently blocked it would be difficult or impractical to replace. Best way would be wait for partial construction then hit equipment and some placed rolling stock turning the rest into a clusterfrick.
>The railcars ARE a tank barrier though requiring combat engineers to separate and drag away. They're softer than they appear but coupled and vatBlack folk have the sense to weld the couplers locked (easy) would certainly slow an attack and canalize it.
I'm pretty sure this is the only point of the thing, it's not supposed to be a mobile train, just a long-ass ersatz fortification. They don't even need to weld the couplers either, you're not gonna be able to uncouple a car that's wedged in the middle of a miles-long train that you can't move. It's why I said in an earlier post that the only viable way to open a gap is probably going to be chopping or shaped charge blasting the couplers off (which at least looks reasonably viable on Soviet couplers, they've got a pretty thin and exposed section behind the knuckle) and then dragging the car off the tracks.
>We have HESCO at home.
It is total warfare, any country in a war would do this in ah eart beat
Depending, with really big trains like this, don't weather conditions mean that they are more likely to derail?
DeepStateUA made a telegram post about this "tsar train" last week. Haven't seen anything else regarding this though.
https://t.me/DeepStateUA/18821
What the Russians are saying with this stupid train thing is "we are relatively poorly defended in this area and we hope by having this physical barrier here it will dissuade attacks so we can redivert troops elsewhere".
the problem is the train blockade works both ways, and it's going to seriously impede a Russian advance.
The problem is russia is entirely dependent on rail for its logistics and putting a frickhuge train that just sits there on a track automatically makes whatever is on the other side of it the most difficult to supply point. This isn't just monumentally moronic, this is counter productive to defending an area.
I assume the Russians are at least organizing this train car barrier away from the tracks themselves.
Right?
Russia doens't want to /cant advance in this area, if real this is pretty much an admission of it. They just spent 6 months trying to take the next town 7km from Donestk.
It's real? You would had thought someone would had flown a drone there to take a look by now, and then posted it on the internet for laughs.
ISW reported on it too I believe. Apparently it's just a bunch of stolen Ukrainian trains lined up and immobilized. It's supposed to just be a huge obstacle for any Ukrainian break through
Whoever needs the translation:
> In the Donetsk region ruzzkies have assembled a 30-kilometer-long "Tsar train" consisting of more than two thousand wagons.
> The continuous structure of freight cars stretches along a branch line from the station in Olenivka (https://deepstatemap.live/#16/47.8344/37.6482) to Volnovakha (https://deepstatemap.live/#16/47.6203/37.4866) and includes about 2,100 rail cars of various types. Construction of this railway centipede began in July 2023. Apparently, the rolling stock stolen from the RU-occupied territories was used for its construction.
> This is a very specific engineering structure, the effectiveness of which is difficult to assess. The idea is clear - an obstacle to the advance of the Ukrainian forces. It can be considered a separate line of defence, because it is extremely difficult to damage, move or blow up a 20-miles-long mass of metal, and the movement of equipment through such an obstacle without breaking through the corridor is impossible.
> These radar images are publicly available to understand the scale of this formation. The construction of this "train" has been visually verified by our team on images for different periods of time.
> High resolution images (https://i.imgur.com/5JfL8aH.png)
won't they need those trains
Not if they are all fricked up and broken.
Train cars have a use by date. The wheels wear down. The ball bearings get busted. If you take a train car in shit condition to a rail line, it will just break the rail tracks. And that will damage the wheels of all the other rail cars, leading to a death spiral of sorts.
If a train car has reached the end of it's lifespan, you will have to overhaul the wheel system, and right now Vatniks don't really have the capacity for it. So they just take the fricked up train cars and dump them in a graveyard of sorts, so they won't block the traffic for those cars that can still be used.
And then they say "it is a defensive line". Because "we can't fix them" is embarrassing, so they need the copium.
Embargos fricked their railcar cassette bearings primary suppliers so while they can obtain some replacements those would go to freight and military transport rather than passenger hauling in wartime.
This guy gives the best rail and trackage repair and maintenance info on Youtube. The end state if not detected is melting the bearing race and sometimes wheel detachment.
there was some talk about this early in the war.I wonder how bad it has gotten.who is selling them ball bearings etc aside from china?
I skimmed through a few articles, and in 2022 26 million more ball bearings were produced, or a ~10.6% increase y/y. However, that happened due to demand driving ball bearing price up almost twice. Another factory with 30 jobs just opened, it will add another +200k per year in 2024 and +380k in 2025. No idea if the prices are still as high as in the article written in early 2023.
I dont know enough about supply chains so Im not sure if this will frick them in the long run.
>nooo you can't theorycraft or discuss logistics of such a thing
I guess we can't talk about experimental weapons either huh? Shame that all DARPA threads shouldn't be posted then too.
It's PrepHole Black person, people will literally argue about colors, even if you like the same color just that you like it for the wrong reasons.
This seems like terrible idea for that location, one main line with two tracks next to eachother, when vatBlack folk already rely so heavily on rail making a single point of failure and even larger target just is wild.
If this is actually real, curious what their thoughts were on designing this.
what the frick
did Ukies learn to manipulate the noosphere?
>he doesn't know what the orb of pisky is for
I mean ISW reported on it so maybe there is something to it. Or maybe I'm falling for troll pasta. Who knows.
But...
That's what /k/ does.
We totally obbess over things we have very little experience or evidence of, with arguments that make no sense whatsoever, and the whole discussion doesn't even lead anywhere or have any real purpose.
Yeah, that's /k/.
Now git out.
>Poor Little Black Boy
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since when did Finland start deploying tactical buck-breaking squads?
>That's what /k/ does.
That's PrepHole as a whole ya dingus.
What is it supposed to do? Fighting Position? Doubt railcars stop 5.56 let alone shrapnel and splinters. Imagine the fricking spall alone as they get fricking nailed lmao. Barrier? A ditch and some mines would work better than this shit.
Russia is supposedly short on rail cars. Why don't they use these?
If the only risk was the coach breaking and killing some passengers, they might, but such an occurence also risks damaging the track itself, and I doubt the railway system wants to deal with that if it can avoid it.
Passenger cars are not freight cars and Russia will have accumulated like any large country a shitload of old rolling stock awaiting scrappage.
Wasn't Russia building a new railway in the southern part of the occupied regions? What happened to that?
I feel like Ukraine doesn't do enough defensive lines, though I can understand why. Also I fear Russia now had too much time to mine everything even more than it already was.
It's the only way to stop stuff being taken. Remember, Ukraine doesn't have the supplies to waste doing attacks, Russia does. If Russia didn't put down 3-4 mine deep minefields, then Ukraine could theoretically get through. You mine it, then you'll get people to demine it when the war is over.
Anyone remember that old indie game that took place on a Russian train
>Dmitry Glukhovsky predicted the future again
Beyond the tracks those things will just get shredded by high explosive.
Armored train-sisters we are so back
>banan
>russoid
You can tell this is a damage control thread created by someone with the ass broken.
Nah I just like those words. Frick Russia and Russians lol
Russia is actually not embarrassing and is very strong
Agreed, I prefer ziggers of puccia myself
It's real. It's housing soldiers. It's moronic. It gets droned every couple of hours. Putin wasted 1700 Russian rail cars, only 400 or do were Ukrainian.
Yes Russians are this fricking stupid. Each rail car cost around 100,000 to replace . Yes putin this fricking stupid
>It's housing soldiers. It's moronic. It gets droned every couple of hours.
Where are you getting this? I think the train makes sense if it's just an obstacle in no man's land, getting vehicles through it would be an absolute b***h, but actually putting soldiers inside it is indeed fricking moronic if that's what they're doing.
How do we weaponize /k/?
Stack them on top of each other. We need to go higher!!! The wall must grow
Does Putin have a table stretching from the front to the back car for his inevitable peace negotiations?
Last call for Banana Express!
All aboard!
>crushing hohol bugs with the factorio train defense
Efficient!
You know, I actually admire them for building a mobile front line.
Whenever there is a danger of it being over run, they can retreat it and then proudly claim that the khokhols haven't breached their first line of defence. They can do this all the way back to Vladivostok if they wanted do, which means the first line of defence will never be breached unless the Chinese get involved, at which point it will become the Schrodinger Defensive Line, as it will simultaneously be the first and last line of defence until it is destroyed, at which point it won't matter and they will beg us to forget about the train that never existed and if it did exist, it would have been better than anything the West could have done.
Plot twist: the cars are filled with clay from previously dug trenches mixed with cement and ocassional makeshift rebars.
Is that why we’re on day 3 of them celebrating a town of 30k people 8k from the border being captured like it was the capital city?
The war will end in the following way;
>Russia continues to advance at the current rate, taking maybe 100k population worth of tiny towns in the Donetsk region
>Russia goes all in on defense, shifts the narrative even more to how “we never claimed Ukraine would fall” and how they’ve successfully stopped the Donbas genocide yada yada (when in reality they haven’t really accomplished anything)
>A peace deal is signed where Ukraine doesn’t recognize any of the stolen territory but agrees to a ceasefire and russia can gloat about that
>A north korea style DMZ is set up
>in reality none of the stolen land is farmable, the people have fled, the towns are destroyed and there are no resources that can be safely extracted
>when pressed on who won the war the Russians will either bring up Vietnam or go “who owns shitmafartovsk??”
Screencap this
I did
There is also a chance that next year Ukraine will have more tanks and armoured vehicles than russia and in higher quality+ more shells.
RheinMetall is building new factories all over europe and the politicians in my goverment start screeching about tripling our special fund for rearmament to 300billion euros while hiking our normal defense spending to around 3% in addtion.
Much of that money will probably be spent for the defense of Ukraine which is the best bang for the buck we can currently get as our procurment gets ripped of left and right
Look guys I don't mind you re arming like crazy
All I ask for is when you come by again on the way to france. Please keep your word this time and split belgium.
Why the frick would you jam up a rail line with this shit? I mean even parking a bunch of old ladas by the rail road makes more fricking sense.
Hussite bros, we are so back
How much ordinance would you figure it would require to blow one of those cars apart?
Surely it can't be heavily armored.
What sort of effect would an RPG or a VOG have on one of those?
What happened to their 40 miles tsar convoy?