Belorussian Volunteer Corps attacks trenches near Khromove. For some reason, the unit's logo resembles that of the Belorussian SS division but anyway
https://files.catbox.moe/qed29z.MP4
No POV kills, still good footage
Bakhmut trench warfare
Belorussian Volunteer Corps attacks trenches near Khromove. For some reason, the unit's logo resembles that of the Belorussian SS division but anyway
https://files.catbox.moe/qed29z.MP4
No POV kills, still good footage
>Wading through dead, both your own and enemy
Grim
Real WW1 vibes here.
Does someone knows where that road leads? North or south?
48.609629, 37.932988
Same part of the frontline in Late April
>WW1 hellscape of muddy holes, craters, knocked-out armored vehicles and half-burried dead bodies
How did it devolve to this?
lack of manouver warfare
We reached the same stalemate that we suffered in the first ww, massive no man's land with little to no success in any kind of offensive operations.
Yeah if only somebody invents a giant metal box or something that has like, I dunno, machine guns and a large calibre weapon on the front that is propelled by an eternal combustion engine or something that allows us to move at speed in an armoured box with heavy firepower....
If fucking only. Sadly such things belong in the minds of madmen. Sergi, load another shell.
Autocorrected to eternal instead of internal but hey, nuclear powered tanks leeeeets goooooooo!
This is Russia’s Desert Storm on steroids. Jealous much, American?
> This is Russia’s Desert Storm on steroids.
I suppose there's some truth to the statement, but most observers didn't anticipate that the Russians intended to emulate the IRAQI forces.
Nailed it.
I think this is more Iran-Iraq War tier.
They haven't resorted to using boys in demining operations and mass assaults...yet.
The combined coalition forces lost in the Gulf War were 292 people. The United States had complete air superiority. Jealous vatnig?
Vatniks don't know when to quit, and Ukies don't have enough offensive equipment yet
>Just two more kajillion dollars!
>How did it devolve to this
PGMs have have created this hell. No mass formations, no armored advances, no close air support, just endless waves of infantry and artillery barrages.
>endless waves of infantry and artillery barrages
And the constant threat of small uavs dropping grenades
>WW1
you're retarded
>How did it devolve to this?
No air superiority on either side.
If Ukraine had airpower they'd have all their territory back and be bombing those mass weddings the Russian recruits are doing before being sent off to the front lines.
this is what happens when mediocre militaries go to war with each other
>Six miles of ground has been won
>Half a million men are gone
>And as the men crawled the general called
>And the killing carried on and on
>How long?
>What's the purpose of it all?
>What's the price of a mile?
I can see the faces through the broken glass
No longer pass
Looking at the sky, I see the city lights
But no star fights
I never want to fall asleep
Within our dreams the weight we saw, we reap
Though I believe the sun still shines
And I believe there comes a time
When out of silence we will sing
And even broken bells will ring
Not all the answers are the same
Yet we still play the game
?t=105
100 years later, weve been to space and have split the atom, yet we are still back at this bullshit.
Until people learn to stay out of each others shit it'll be a problem.
The casualties at Bakhmut are still orders of magnitude less than what it was in WWI. There's some progress there at least
Lack of TEMPO
war never changes
>Soviet Iron Triangle: Party, Security, Military
>August Coup: first two gang up on second & hollow it out
>Strategic Doctrine always over-emphasized Missile Arm to the detriment of conventional forces optimized to leapfrog over various yield nuke spam and do murder & mayhem thereafter
Russia wasn't always Nigeria With Nukes, but that was when they were a bigger jailhouse of nations.
Heres an old British WW1 song:
If you want to find the general
I know where he is
I know where he is
I know where he is
If you want to find the general
I know where he is
He's pinning another medal on his chest
I saw him, I saw him
Pinning another medal on his chest
Pinning another medal on his chest
If you want to find the colonel
I know where he is
I know where he is
I know where he is
If you want to find the colonel
I know where he is
He's sitting in comfort stuffing his bloody gut
I saw him, I saw him
Sitting in comfort stuffing his bloody gut
If you want to find the seargent
I know where he is
I know where he is
I know where he is
If you want to find the seargent
I know where he is
He's drinking all the company rum
I saw him, I saw him
Drinking all the company rum
Drinking all the company rum
If you want to find the private
I know where he is
I know where he is
I know where he is
If you want to find the private
I know where he is
He's hanging on the old barbed wire
I saw him, I saw him
Hanging on the old barbed wire
Hanging on the old barbed wire
What the fuck did you think an actualy war looks like?
>What the fuck did you think an actualy war looks like?
But 15 years of ZOG warfare in Iraq has taught me that tactical acrobatics and fast reloads are what warfare looks like. And no one ever shoots back, and that the enemy does not have artillery, ever.
They don't if you have a competent combined arms force and non shit aviation
>ZOG
>that tactical acrobatics and fast reloads are what warfare looks like
Really? Because that theatrical tough guy horseshit is what the Russians and Chinese preform and jack it to.
idk. something with computers may?
>devolve
this is the natural state of warfare with 2 mass armies at relative parity
maneuver happens when one sides achieves vast superiority in a given time and space (Kharkiv counteroffensive, Russian gains in the south in the first week)
lack of air support
naturally a conflict with NATO involved would very quickly turn into the raping of enemy logistics with the massive swarms of fighter aircraft, but for just Ukraine that's not likely to happen
This is what war is, americans deluded themselves with their sandmoron wars thinking they were real tough guys even thouh they got ptsd because because when the burger king at base was out of fries once.
>war is being incompetent
Wake me up when Russia seizes capitals across the planet in under a month
He ment that Irak, the talibans etc was beeing incompetent
Both sides are incapable of utilizing the sky while they are both capable of denying the other guy the ability to utilize it. This means we're pretty much back to WWI, except everything is a hell of a lot more accurate.
It was always this.
We just took a break from real war from 1945 to 2020 so each side could train by fighting human-animals hybrid in the middle-east with the alien technology the nazi occultist discovered in the north pole
- This is what Pol actually believe.
Also, cute lil' shilka
contemporary firepower has gotten so effective that it's extremely difficult to maneuver on a front this small and concentrated. without an overwhelming advantage i'm not sure how you even fix this problem.
just like WW1 they're going to have to invent new tactics or equipment before anything changes, barring a purely attritional struggle
It doesn't really have anything to do with firepower. We've seen maneuver working to great extent earlier in the war. The problem is the weather and terrain. When it's mud season, vehicles are forced to use roads, which funnels them into kill zones and mine fields. Any offensive is going to fall apart if it's forced to drive through a mine field. The best case scenario is that your offensive is stalled out until some kind of artillery superiority can be gained and the mines cleared. The worst case scenario is you just drive right through it and lose all your shit over and over again like some kind of Sisyphean parody.
Notice how all the corpses have yellow armbands or Ukie uniforms. Surprised they would even show this for their propaganda.
too many surface to air missles, not enough suppression of enemy air defences.
lots of drones, hardly any short range air defence.
anti tank guides missles everywhere, no active defence systems
massive amounts of artillery, mortars and VOGs haveing an feld day, barely any counter battery.
pritty much the moment someone trys to advance they get spotted and wrecked
this might be different if the airspace was more contested but like most things its a bit of a dead lock
>For some reason, the unit's logo resembles that of the Belorussian SS division
Nah. That's just a NATO symbol for a rifleman.
why has the war devolved into scrambling around in muddy trenches?
Russia can't into maneuver warfare and Ukraine lacks the metal to do it consistently
stupid frogposter
gotta get those numbers up.
pic related, bakhmut in 6 months.
How do you get a bingo here?
send another division in.
so in 6 months they finally managed to calculate the grid squares for Bakhmut?
Remember when it was comfy watching highway cameras of Russian convoys
what else do you want them to do retard? Ukranian mud isn't a fucking joke. The mud is drying and both sides will start maneuvering.
>both sides will start maneuvering
Russia has hundreds of T-90M's ready to go for that. It's going to be fun seeing the counter-offensive smashed and then Ukraine rolled back.
nah
why didn't they do that last year then?
>Russia has hundreds of T-90M's ready to go for that.
As opposed to 12 months ago, when they also would have had these "hundreds" of T-90Ms, along with 10k+ more vehicles than now.
Liked your bait though
Basically what lack of air power do to mfs
This is what war in Europe is like.
Street by street, hill by hill, trench by trench. Slow slog to victory.
I don't get it, who's fighting who? Belorussians are for russia, no?
The country Belarus is on Russia's side. These are volunteers fighting against Russia. Just like there are Chechens fighting against Russia.
Lukashenko is pro-Russia, but huge portions of the Belarusian population are White nationalist, anti-communist, and dislike modern Russian multi-ethnic/eurasianist imperialism.
Main reason Lukashenko didn't follow Putin into war isn't fear of the West, it's fear of igniting instant civil war. He may still have one on his hands when hardened far-right fighters with lots of equipment come back from Ukraine.
>He may still have one on his hands
You know any civil war is a pretense for Russia to just walk in and subdue those terrorists. He knows he has guarantees with Moscow. There is 0 fear about this
>for russia to walk in and subdue those terrorists
May I see them?
That's an extrapolation on what they would probably call them as pretense for invasion
Sooo, what do the yellow, blue and green tapes stand for?
Ive seen some theories about yellow=army, green=territorials and blue=speacial units.
Is that the case?
>Is that the case?
No, blue, yellow, green get switched around in waves to flush out Vatniks trying to use them for perfidy
Yes
No, this question was answered a year ago
>Blue
vidoes from last sumer and early autumn
>yellow
since last autumn untill recently
>green
just taken in use
There was all three since like 3 months in.
No. In the start we saw all kinds of wierd stuff, as I said blue was used since last summer not since the start.
try finding one dated clip when what I said isn't true,
Every clip from bakhmut is yellow or green if it's very fresh
every clip from kharkiv offencive is blue unless it's after they took kopyansk which is around the time when they switched
or just post any clip with colors and if I can identify the aproximit time it will be as I said
TDF used green since near the start anon
>post one video
look
green, fresh video, 92 brigade so not TDF
another video,
time kharkiv (Izium) counter offensive so end of summer or early autumn,
color blue,
unit TDF
>recognise a pathern,
Also every single war mapper has told the same shit about colors
green for territorials and units with foreign volunteers from what I noticed
Oi, where's that picture from?
video from fb private group, shit quality but I'll try to snap original file from OP
>P patch
its a symbol of polish resistance fighters during wwII, underground army which was named AK = armia krajowa [ country's army], nice seeing my brethren there
It’s funny how we got rid of bright color uniforms and standards at the end of the 19th century just for them to make a comeback
It’s basically just unit based, I.e. commander says “we’re green now”. Early in the war it was more organized by army, but that fell out of favor due to infiltrators. Now it’s a mix of people still following the old convention and unit-based colors. As long as there’s good communication there’s not much to worry about
Blue: Volunteer Corp
Green: Territorial Guard
Yellow: Ukrainian Armed Forces
All fight for Ukraine
White: Russian Volunteer/PMC/DNR/LNR
Red: Russian Armed Forces
What anus did you pull this out of, retard? The colors are not systematic at all.
I MADE IT THE FUCK UP
>White: Russian Volunteer/PMC/DNR/LNR
>Red: Russian Armed Forces
It was literally the opposite at least up through lysichansk
IT WAS NEVER SYSTEMATIC TO BEGIN WITH
how the fuck does this stupid meme still exist? we've seen every possible combination on both sides now a dozen times over.
Holy shit. It's WW1 V2.
>AK74U
>style points, but shit weapon except for CQB trench warfare maybe
points, but shit weapon except for CQB trench warfare maybe
You best start believing in CQB trench warfare
>Friendly dead everywhere
>Enemy dead everywhere
>Fighting over holes in the ground
Damn. What a bleak thing war can be.
those were all vatmoronoid corpses, you might be confused because wagner uses all kinds of camo, but no armbands=roasted vatnigerian
Sure looked like some of the guys on the ground has yellow on them
There are multiple ukrainian casualties with yellow armbands visible retard.
Theres 2. The rest are all fagner.
And this is how you guys are fucking up sympathy. We can clearly see Ukrainian dead in Ukrainian camo with fucking armbands, but you want to act like for some fucking reason Ukraine isn't taking a single causality but Russians are dying by the millions.
There seems to be a lot more enemy dead, but for sure I saw at least two dead Ukrainians.
Any kino melee combat?
It's insane how close we're nearing to Iran-Iraq war territory. All we need now are chemical weapons.
How many more weeks until both sides start using children to clear minefields
>car batteries in swamps
>rigging barbed wire to rivers, making them impassable to row boats
>"Child of Zelensky/Putin" strapped to kids(on the UA side it's specifically the children of the donetsk)
I just want to know what an Abrams looks like in a 1915 trench.
We haven't even begun to see the possibilities yet.
Meh, I'm not watching any shit that has music over the top.
>That one arm of the buried soldier sticking out of the dirt
Jesus...
RIP this guy
this along the overturned gavin sitting in a shell hole and mommified mobik are some WW1-tier shit
You think he had sunflower seeds in his pocket?
What's that little demo charge type thing he throws at 1:35?
Some sort of satchel charge, probably
Yea, I was hoping maybe someone could identify the specific type.
>Shoots the half-buried and half-rotted corpse at the 3:04 mark
For what purpose? Other than making sure the guy doesn't get raised as an undead monster
>he doesn't know about trench ghouls
>He doesn’t know
Ultimate form of disrespect, some believe that a mutilated or disturbed body will cause the spirit to never find rest until all the parts are gathered and buried properly. I know that the body is already disturbed but I think the dude just wanted to add insult to injury.
Or the more realistic answer
>In combat
>Adrenaline pumping
>Glance down and see body dressed in enemy uniform
>Pump a round into it just to make sure it's really dead
I like my explanation better because that means some mobik's soul is double fucked
I would assume he might have been a bit jumpy, or have heard/experienced that the enemy plays dead, so even if that guy looked like he'd been dead for days or even weeks he wasn't betting his life on it(this is just my theory though, i have not heard stories of any side using these methods yet)
>https://files.catbox.moe/qed29z.MP4
damn that's the first time i've seen a satchel charged used. based as fuck
>For some reason, the unit's logo resembles that of the Belorussian SS division
>For some reason
Kek
>For some reason, the unit's logo resembles that of the Belorussian SS division but anyway
whos gonna tell him
>For some reason, the unit's logo resembles that of the Belorussian SS
just a coincidence
that endless grenade spam just like EFT
You can definitely see how things like rifle grenades and trench mortars became so popular in WW1.
Rumble if you need: https://rumble.com/v2mgvms-bat.-teror-trench-warfare.html
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>hey Taras
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I keep wondering how would the US army fare in such conditions. By that I mean no overwhelming air superiority and with quite limited deep strike capabilities. Would it fare much better than Ukies? I'm not 100% sure to be honest, my guess is that it would.
Even without Air Superiority,I'd say yes. The US Army is a good balancequality and quantity. There's certainly countries that have better trained infantry, but are completely dwarfed size wise. I.e. countries like Australia. Even if the common US soldier is only 80% as competent, the organization is still 10 to 15x larger. Not to mention the absolute break neck speeds they can move such a large group. The US can land in your backyard at dusk and have a Bass Pro/Fire Base set up before you wake up to take the trash out.
probably worse due to not being as familiar with OPFOR tactics and not having insane battlefield experience
>probably worse
Highly debatable, precisely because
>due to not being as familiar with OPFOR tactics
is flagrantly inaccurate. The US and most NATO countries train under what would appear to at times be retarded gimping of realistically expected capability, often times against OPFOR that has unrealistically buffed capabilities than what might be realistically expected. It's why NATO units routinely get fucked up during OPFOR training. They're supposed to.
>not having insane battlefield experience
This is the big thing, but what makes it a toss up is the sheer depth and breadth of organization and training the US military has, much of which Ukraine didn't have and is only now really building, and objectively not to any degree that would compare to America. And it's not as though the Americans have *zero* recent battlefield experience. It may have been mostly COIN, but having NCOs and other personnel like junior officers (!) that don't need to be broken-in on their first TIC in-country has intrinsic value. God knows Ukraine only stayed in the fight in the East off the backs of Ukrainian veterans of 2014 and then 8 years of "separatist" shenanigans.
It wouldn't permit them to form. What you see is attrition warfare and it takes two to play that game. The US would happily give ground rather than end up trading attrition in trench warfare.
What
said, but assuming that air superiority doesn't happen for whatever reason, yes the USA would do astronomically better. For some reason people have seemingly forgotten that Ukraine is an extremely poor, shitty country with governmental corruption and incompetentcy at least as bad as Russia's. The hierarchies and organizational structures just aren't solid or reliable, that's why every battle in this war has generally been fought with piecemeal and strangely unorganized forces on both sides. Despite our current federal administration being child-raping vampires, we're the richest country in history and we have an organized, competent society producing organized, competent people.
The US would fare better, but so much of US doctrine and procurement is based around the assumption that we'll win the air battle and then SEAD/DEAD enough to be able to leverage that into winning the ground battle that it wouldn't be nearly as clean as you might think. Of course, this is also why the US invests a rather stupid amount of money into making sure that they can achieve air superiority so that it never comes to that.
Why isnt Ukraine spamming drone grenades on them? Looks like their drones are mostly undetected and uncontested in the air.
Because EW and drones get detected and shot down
My man they fight for the ukies
Why the fuck are there Ukrainian corpses scattered and buried everywhere?
Shows how desperate both sides are to deny each other a victory before May 9th.
All because of Putler.
>Why are there dead people on a battlefield
gee anon who could possibly know the answer to that question
Those are just fake mannequins airdropped in by Russians to demoralize Ukrainian soldiers.
is there any source other than telegram i can get these footages without the gaybar music?
is it just me or is this the first time we see the krinkov actively used an assault?
>the unit's logo resembles that of the Belorussian SS division
because it makes russians seethe?
one day you're chilling with your boys and doing war stuff
the next you get domed and you're slowly covered by dirt as people use your corpse as a duckboard
this is two claymore mines taped together and attached to a string
this is genius
what other cool improvised trench raiding equipment will we see?
i want to see grenade crossbows. but we could be kind and give them UBGL's
I don't know why they don't have more light mortars and "knee mortars." What about those Bangalore mines used for obstacle clearing?
>For some reason, the unit's logo resembles that of the Belorussian SS division
just a coinkydink
>half of answers in this thread
In what world does that look like the 30th Waffen Grenadier logo
Yeah the only unit to use the Tiwaz was the 32nd SS (fought alongside the funny warcrime unit btw). Speaking of cool patches though, this new Azov one is pretty neat.
>resembles that of the Belorussian SS division
The main Belorussian SS Division if I remember properly mutinied/deserted. The other were mainly anti-Soviet police whose division was absorbed into the Russian liberation army. So not really nazis just anti-Soviets.