It's sub-week on /k/ apparently and I re-watched Azorian: The Raising of the K-129 last night.
A question: so they recovered the ship's bell right? But they only got back the front 1/4 of the sub...
Why would the bell be in that section of a Golf-class soviet sub? I smell a conspiracy, or maybe I'm just dumb and that's where the bell actually is.
Also it's a great doc, on Prime right now to watch. Holy shit those big bearings were impressive.
also where the hell is the raw footage the documentary got? Surely it came from some FOIA or something. They zoomed it in to fit the aspect ratio of the docu which was annoying
anyone?
According to the book "Red Star Rogue" the bell should have been located in the conning tower. If true, that would imply the story about "the sub broke in half and we only picked up 1/4 of it" was a lie. So most likely they recovered more of it than just the part they claimed.
If you haven't read the book yet you should, it has a lot of info in there that is not in the documentary. There's also another book called Red November by W. Craig Reed, which came out after the Azorian documentary, which supports this. Reed was an engineer involved with the project and claims more was recovered than the official record.
I think it's more likely they (CIA in general, not the glomar crew) did a 2nd trip with some normal ROV, no? Because the docu and basically every single person that worked on it says they lost all but the front bit. The photo evidence supports that
It's certainly possible they went back to the wreck but I don't think they had any ROVs at the time which could have gone that deep. The K-129 wreck is at something like 16,000 ft deep. Meanwhile it the state-of-the art ROVs in the 1960's were barely able to do 3,000. But it is possible that the USS Halibut was up to something, or perhaps they sent Trieste II.
> basically every single person that worked on it says they lost all but the front bit.
Which could very well be a cover story. W. Craig Reed's book doesn't come out and say "the CIA is lying" but it sure implies it.
>USS Halibut was up to something
No shit. Who do you think found K-129?
SOSUS
Within a certain area. Halibut made the exact location.
My point was there's a real short list of anything which could either dive that deep or dangle something on a cable that deep, and ROVs were not on it during the 1960s.
Red Star Rogue has serious issues.
But acoustic data does strongly support two missiles firing to exhaustion without launching.
Oh, it's far from perfect. I don't think anyone should believe 100% of what it says. There's certainly speculation involved. But there are a lot of odd facts involved, like the sudden re-deployment of K-129 right after it got back from a patrol when the crew should have been on extended leave, the fact that it went to a totally new patrol area never previously used by the Russians, and a much larger than standard crew complement aboard the sub. Yeltsin handed out medals to the sailors who died on the sub: 98 of them issued, yet the standard crew complement for a Golf-class is 83. There must have been a real good reason for all that.
>nobody's mentioned Red November yet
In the K-129 chapter, one of the Glomar mission crew hints that the CIA got everything they were looking for on the first go. The entire book is one big collection of Cold War sub kino and doesn't get mentioned nearly enough in /k/ book threads.
found this https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb305/doc01.pdf
I assume this section mentions the snapped lifting arms.
why did the k129 splode and sink? was it really a rogue kgb officer trying to start dubya dubya tres?
Bad russian training and maintenance.
Bad maintenace could easily explain the sinking itself. Other golf-class subs had leaky missile hatches cause explosions. However, that doesn't explain why the sub went radio silent long before sinking despite being commanded to report back to HQ on emergency transmissions, why the Russians had no idea where to search for their own sub after it sank, or why there were 15 extra sailors onboard.
Wonder if they were frogmen or even spies. Was there any intelligemce gathering equipment on their route or bearing
The two missiles starting their rocket motors while in the tubes is the proximate cause.
cia does some neat shit
https://en.topwar.ru/132593-gibel-k-129-tayna-pochti-raskryta.html