The hatchet is the better all-around camp/outdoor tool. You can use the poll as a hammer to drive tent stakes, it splits kindling, you can use it for light duty slicing tasks if kept properly sharp, you can cut trees with it.
The saw isn't so multi-purpose, but it's far faster, far quieter, and uses a lot less energy for cutting anything thicker than about finger-size.
Ideally you'd have both, there's not that much overlap. Now hatchet vs. machete is where things get more interesting.
>less energy
turning X amount of thing in minuscle sawdust require less energy than make (quite more) than X in large wood chips.
X as in press do doubt
a brush axe can cut an up to 3 inch tree with a single hit.
if you're using a short handled with heavy ass side hatchet, you're the one doing more work not the tool on the tree.
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I don't really care that you don't agree with me, but it's sad that you don't have firsthand experience to fall back on. The issue is that when you're chopping something most of your effort is wasted, most chops aren't really cutting the wood you want to get out of the way, they're really to get access for the axe so you can cut the wood you really need to cut. You're chopping out a big wedge while all you really need is to make a narrow slice. The saw has no such wasted effort, every stroke is removing only the wood you need to remove. A nice pull saw is an epiphany to use, you're cutting 1.5" hardwood with a single pull. 3" with 3 or 4 strokes.
yeah on previous post i said thst you cut more with an axe but in bigger chunks, so most depend on diameter of log to minimize how much to remove for getting axes.
If you want proof he's right you can look at times from lumberjack competitions.
World record time for chopping a 12" diameter log underhanded is 15.94 seconds.
World record for chopping a 12" log sideways is 12.33 seconds.
World record for sawing a *20-inch* diameter log with a single-person handsaw is 10.78 seconds.
Do the math and the axe guys are cutting between 7 and 9 square inches of meaningful cut area per second while the saw guys are getting 29.
187cm cm2 of wood per second? what fricking kind of saws or trees you guys have over there?
>187cm cm2 of wood per second? what fricking kind of saws or trees you guys have over there?
Those are numbers from competitive sports. Both the saws and the axes are special just for the competition so real-world numbers with ordinary tools will be a lot slower. But it serves to illustrate the difference in efficiency between the axe and the saw.
If you want proof he's right you can look at times from lumberjack competitions.
World record time for chopping a 12" diameter log underhanded is 15.94 seconds.
World record for chopping a 12" log sideways is 12.33 seconds.
World record for sawing a *20-inch* diameter log with a single-person handsaw is 10.78 seconds.
Do the math and the axe guys are cutting between 7 and 9 square inches of meaningful cut area per second while the saw guys are getting 29.
>put a fricking long log over 2 not so much spaced trestles, start to cut, weight at both extremities make the log to hog so to both tensioning fibers (easier to cut) and opening axcess for the saw to advance. >put a long ass log over widely spaced trestles, start to cut, weight concentrated beetwen the trestles make the log to sag seizing the saw.
I’ve had the same junk flea market knife for 15 years that I’ve used for batoning because it’s thick, and it shows no signs of breaking. Don’t use a fricking paper thin morakniv and you’ll be fine.
Impossible, unless you have 10 woodworking tools in your pack to include a chainsaw you're ngmi. All knives are exactly the same 1/16" thick chinesium no exceptions, look at it the wrong way and it will just snap in half.
I haven't used an axe in years. Last time I did was camping in scouts.
I use saws for maintaining my property (pruning, clearing up storm damage, etc.) clearing shooting lanes around my durr stand.
Yeah, I was trying to understand the context of the question. For backpacking and camping related activities I would not carry either, I usually have a medium size fixed blade of 5-6" I have no reason to cut down live trees, I'm not blazing a trail, or building a cabin.
I make a small fire from sticks and wood that can just be broken with hands or feet.
I already have a shelter, even If I were building a shelter, It would just be small poles of and inch or two.
yes, because having tools is good.
never show with saw at an axe fight... unless it's a chainsaw i guess, really dunno i'm here to make cheap post not to tell you what to do
Saw for anything that requires precision.
Axe for everything else.
The hatchet is the better all-around camp/outdoor tool. You can use the poll as a hammer to drive tent stakes, it splits kindling, you can use it for light duty slicing tasks if kept properly sharp, you can cut trees with it.
The saw isn't so multi-purpose, but it's far faster, far quieter, and uses a lot less energy for cutting anything thicker than about finger-size.
Ideally you'd have both, there's not that much overlap. Now hatchet vs. machete is where things get more interesting.
>less energy
turning X amount of thing in minuscle sawdust require less energy than make (quite more) than X in large wood chips.
X as in press do doubt
If you've ever tried to chop wood with a hatchet you'd know exactly what he is talking about
If you have the correct size saw its always way easier to use that than a hatchet
No, chopping takes a lot more energy than sawing. That's why we have chain saws, not chain axes.
a brush axe can cut an up to 3 inch tree with a single hit.
if you're using a short handled with heavy ass side hatchet, you're the one doing more work not the tool on the tree.
facepalm.jpg
I don't really care that you don't agree with me, but it's sad that you don't have firsthand experience to fall back on. The issue is that when you're chopping something most of your effort is wasted, most chops aren't really cutting the wood you want to get out of the way, they're really to get access for the axe so you can cut the wood you really need to cut. You're chopping out a big wedge while all you really need is to make a narrow slice. The saw has no such wasted effort, every stroke is removing only the wood you need to remove. A nice pull saw is an epiphany to use, you're cutting 1.5" hardwood with a single pull. 3" with 3 or 4 strokes.
yeah on previous post i said thst you cut more with an axe but in bigger chunks, so most depend on diameter of log to minimize how much to remove for getting axes.
187cm cm2 of wood per second? what fricking kind of saws or trees you guys have over there?
>187cm cm2 of wood per second? what fricking kind of saws or trees you guys have over there?
Those are numbers from competitive sports. Both the saws and the axes are special just for the competition so real-world numbers with ordinary tools will be a lot slower. But it serves to illustrate the difference in efficiency between the axe and the saw.
impressive, in other video seem that they need like 7 second for doing the same thing with a chainsaw.
If you want proof he's right you can look at times from lumberjack competitions.
World record time for chopping a 12" diameter log underhanded is 15.94 seconds.
World record for chopping a 12" log sideways is 12.33 seconds.
World record for sawing a *20-inch* diameter log with a single-person handsaw is 10.78 seconds.
Do the math and the axe guys are cutting between 7 and 9 square inches of meaningful cut area per second while the saw guys are getting 29.
>put a fricking long log over 2 not so much spaced trestles, start to cut, weight at both extremities make the log to hog so to both tensioning fibers (easier to cut) and opening axcess for the saw to advance.
>put a long ass log over widely spaced trestles, start to cut, weight concentrated beetwen the trestles make the log to sag seizing the saw.
pretty much this
hatchet vs. machete is typically a question of what region/environment you are in
Hatchet vs machete (machete jungle??)
Can we have. a hatchet v machete debate on the side? Aside from clearing underbrush, why machete?
I don't think a machete is comparable as you can't do the same things as well with a machete and vice versa.
jungle time, a machete is fine unless you live in an area where there's not jungle lmao
Neither...
Large knife such as ESEE 6 or bowie.
What would I need an axe or saw for?
Why would I need to baton anything?
If I did baton something I wouldn't use a Morakniv.
I’ve had the same junk flea market knife for 15 years that I’ve used for batoning because it’s thick, and it shows no signs of breaking. Don’t use a fricking paper thin morakniv and you’ll be fine.
Impossible, unless you have 10 woodworking tools in your pack to include a chainsaw you're ngmi. All knives are exactly the same 1/16" thick chinesium no exceptions, look at it the wrong way and it will just snap in half.
Both. They are for different purposes.
What does everyone here use axes and saws for?
I haven't used an axe in years. Last time I did was camping in scouts.
I use saws for maintaining my property (pruning, clearing up storm damage, etc.) clearing shooting lanes around my durr stand.
Yeah, I was trying to understand the context of the question. For backpacking and camping related activities I would not carry either, I usually have a medium size fixed blade of 5-6" I have no reason to cut down live trees, I'm not blazing a trail, or building a cabin.
I make a small fire from sticks and wood that can just be broken with hands or feet.
I already have a shelter, even If I were building a shelter, It would just be small poles of and inch or two.
for weight and backpacking rucks, folding saw. hatchet and midsized hatchet for camp.
for home, full sized axe.
axe, hatchet and saw and I can build you a house.
>in a deciduous forested temperate biome
Throw in a spade and you'll have plumbing too