When I run for president, I'll campaign to make everything the military has access to legally purchasable online through a government website.
Remember me so you won't think I'm a glowie in 9 years. I'll even say Black person on live TV for you homosexuals.
>still no autoloader >still have to get out of the cabin to fire >still only L/52
at least it's smaller and lighter, I guess, but I'm still looking more forward to pic related.
Might be it accepts higher pressures.
Either way, we do not know enough about the HX3 artillery system yet to compare it to archer. Might be there are technical improvements (it's a newer development after all) that justify the higher weight, might not be.
apparently there are still soldiers outside loading the gun, so even that isn't fully automatic and remote
also no, I'm German, I want a domestic product
we need more artillery and rn it seems there are three options: >more PzH 2000, proven but too heavy and seems not worth it >Boxer with RCH155, really capable but its capabilities seem unnecessary to me and probably too expensive >Rheinmetall truck I posted, best choice imo, especially with the option for a L/60 gun
>RCH155
I would love to see a joint project between our countries but your gov seems to be decided to frick them up, at least the european jet fighter, the tank and the naval surveillance plane
here in france germany has received a lot of criticism for really slowing down if not destroying such projects
I'm opposed to the FCAS, because Germany isn't an equal partner in it.
When we did the Tornado and Eurofighter together with the UK, Italy and Spain (for the Eurofighter), there was a consortium and everyone was equal, just with different workloads. Now with the FCAS, Dassault wants to do it all by its own basically, but receive German funding. I hope it fails and we do something else.
https://i.imgur.com/tP8OyKG.jpg
Who cares? HIMARS is way more important
conventional artillery still has its place, the US is developing it too
dassault has an obvious lead in plane making, so it should be obvious they should do most of the design
same way your tank manufacturer should have the lead over the common tank
I don't see the issue
2 years ago
Anonymous
a fighter plane is way more expensive than a tank, it's not an equal deal
we can do a tank on our own no problem, Rheinmetall already has the KF51
for a plane we can either look for a partner who's willing to give us a fair deal or just buy American.
French seethed when Germany announced it will buy F-35
Germany isn't too wienery to buy American planes, if the French continue being buttholes about the FCAS, they can fund it on their own.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Everyone in France wants the project to die. Both countries have different needs, different philosophies regarding the planes and what it should do. Only dumbass Macron is still advocating for it.
Germany is more than equal partner in FCAS. Count the number of pillars and look at the workshare.
It is an equal partner in NGF plane, France even accepted that 33% of the plane is designed with nobody actualy responsible for these elements if they're fricked up. Guess who requested it? How is that acceptable that you design a fricking 6th generation combat plane that is expected to secure European airspace for decades to come, and no company is responsible if the element is not delivered on time, overcost, underperforming or unreliable?! Then, Germany asked for the flight control to also be designed that way and Dassault simply refused, which, considering how fricking central that element is, is 100% understandable. And at least they're taking their responsabilities, they're able and willing to be held accountable for that. Yet the Germans are seething because they can't accept France keeps leadership on any critical part.
At the same time Germany is working super hard to modify the Nexter-KMW 50/50% deal for the development of the next gen MBT and associated vehicles, turning it into what would effectively be a 33/66% workshare with the inclusion of Rheinmetal.
They fricked the Tiger upgrade program by refusing to participate (which, considering the cost, is not entirely inunderstandable, I admit)
They're fricking the Euromale UAV program with their ridiculous requests, making it overengineered, overpriced and ten years late. For what will have less features than a Reaper.
They fricked the MAWS program by buying Poseidon planes "as a stop gap measure, guys, we promise" meanwhile they're securing a second 8 planes order.
I'm not saying France is blameless, but Germany is the bane of cooperation these days.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Basicaly Germany wants Airbus to be just as little responsible of whatever failure may happen, as with the NH90 consortium.
And we all can see how succesful this program has been.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Germany makes the H145M which works flawlessly, France makes the NH90 and also Eurocopter Tigre, no?
2 years ago
Anonymous
NH90 and Tiger are joint programmes. Pic related.
NHI is a JV between Airbus Helicopters, Leonardo and Fokker Aerostructures. So France Germany Spain Italy Netherlands.
The H145M is also using shared french tech, specifically the fenestron.
France has produced several extremely reliable helis by itself in the past and still do. Gazelle. Ecureuil. Puma. Dauphin...
The only heli to have landed atop the Everest is french. >https://www.bosshunting.com.au/motors/mount-everest-helicopter-landing/
Yes, when MBB and Aerospatiale merged, the germans got all the french heli tech for free. H135 and H145 are evolutions of the Bo105 doped with these techs.
Meanwhile the H130 lags behind commercially speaking. Which prompts some germans to think they're the bosses of the game at Airbus heli. But since their politicians are now wienerblocking other programmes, like recently when refusing to finance the Tiger mk3 standard and speaking openly about buying Apache helicopters, Germany is about to see its weight withing Airbus Helicopters go down the drain.
Plus, the H160M, successor of the Dauphin, will hopefully bring some sense into this bullshit, and some money home in Marignane, at last.
cope, that artillery truck isn't even finished yet and Hungary is already interested
Lynx is also barely finished and Hungary already ordered it, others potentially too
the HX truck the artillery is mounted on is used by dozens of countries
their guns are used by dozens of countries too
UK recently announed to buy hundreds of Boxers which Rheinmetall is involved in too, and upgrading their challengers with the Rheinmetall 120mm
etc etc
Archer is also just L/52
apparently the new L/60 gun can fire 80km far
https://i.imgur.com/AgyxRST.jpg
apparently there are still soldiers outside loading the gun, so even that isn't fully automatic and remote
also no, I'm German, I want a domestic product
we need more artillery and rn it seems there are three options: >more PzH 2000, proven but too heavy and seems not worth it >Boxer with RCH155, really capable but its capabilities seem unnecessary to me and probably too expensive >Rheinmetall truck I posted, best choice imo, especially with the option for a L/60 gun
Cool, very cool, but now dear germand neighbor, please show me any of these Rheimetal vehicules loaded in a C-130 Hercules.
Pic related, a german truck-based howitzer from NextHerr GmbH if Hitler had won in 1945.
inb4: >muh roads!
roads, ship or rail, or a C-17.
They're made to fight peer enemies, not for bombing Black folk without counter-battery fire abilities in Africa like the CAESAR was designed for.
$6.2B is nothing for a defense contractor. Check out general dynamics or Raytheon
>because it's not as much as the literal biggest defense companies in the world that means it's nothing
flawless logic
you can give me 6 billion if it's nothing to you
>They're made to fight peer enemies, not for bombing Black folk without counter-battery fire abilities in Africa like the CAESAR was designed for.
Anon, Ukraine is actively using these Caesar to shell the russians. They're loved specifically due to their ability to avoid counter battery.
So I guess russians are africans now?
Which means the whole of braindead NATO must be afraid of africans since they refuse to intervene to b***hslap said russians, especially germans who are afraid of an escalation? Right?
Yet Macron who's a cuck and a former close friend of Putin didn't hesitate to send 18 Caesar the ukrainians now enjoy, just like they enjoy Pzh2000s and KRABs.
Somehow this is logical?
topkek
L/52 can fire base bleed up to 40km. I doubt 8 calibre lengths more are going to double that.
Not just 8 more calibre lengths, anon, 8 more GERMAN calibre lengths. It makes a huge difference. Due to the use of a metal known as neinneinneinneinium, the performance of anything with a german flag sticker on it gets a +100% buff. It's like in an RPG video game, but for real! You can see this demonstrated with the new german coal plants that somehow emitt less CO2 than french nuclear powerplants.
#DeutscheQualität
https://i.imgur.com/pFKrDah.png
>NextHerr GmbH if Hitler had won in 1945.
It's funny because Nexter is now part of a Franco-German conglomerate.
KNDS is a holding resulting from a joint-venture, not really a conglomerate. There is no sharing of intellectual property apart from what is explicitly developed together, and they're still contenders on certain markets. What they do together is a way to take the best of both companies to propose newer products, and to avoid unwanted relationships with difficult partners at home or abroad. KMW can thus avoid being eaten alive by Rheinmetal, which is an objective pursued by Armin Papperger, and Nexter can, just like they do with Tatra, put their turrets, guns, and other systems onto different chassis to gain more visibility on export markets, as well as remind Arquus (Renault Trucks Defense, owned by Volvo) they're still capable of seeking a different partner.
KNDS is a cooperation that works.
Dassault-Airbus isn't.
Ok. This means the Caesar, which, as said by this anon, is >"made for bombing Black folk without counter-battery fire abilities in Africa"
is totally adapted to the theater of operations in Ukraine, which is the hottest war since WW2 in Europe, between what is essentially a semi-proxy of the west, and Russia.
The Caesar is litteraly 10 to 15 tons lighter than this overbloated german design.
Way more convenient logistic wise.
>The Caesar is litteraly 10 to 15 tons lighter than this overbloated german design. >Way more convenient logistic wise.
Shhhh, don't tell them the Caesar 6x6 is less than 18 metric tons, they may realize air and rail mobility cannot be achieved with super heavy ultra big vehicles, and that moving them is actually more damaging to their chassis than firing.
Germany is more than equal partner in FCAS. Count the number of pillars and look at the workshare.
It is an equal partner in NGF plane, France even accepted that 33% of the plane is designed with nobody actualy responsible for these elements if they're fricked up. Guess who requested it? How is that acceptable that you design a fricking 6th generation combat plane that is expected to secure European airspace for decades to come, and no company is responsible if the element is not delivered on time, overcost, underperforming or unreliable?! Then, Germany asked for the flight control to also be designed that way and Dassault simply refused, which, considering how fricking central that element is, is 100% understandable. And at least they're taking their responsabilities, they're able and willing to be held accountable for that. Yet the Germans are seething because they can't accept France keeps leadership on any critical part.
At the same time Germany is working super hard to modify the Nexter-KMW 50/50% deal for the development of the next gen MBT and associated vehicles, turning it into what would effectively be a 33/66% workshare with the inclusion of Rheinmetal.
They fricked the Tiger upgrade program by refusing to participate (which, considering the cost, is not entirely inunderstandable, I admit)
They're fricking the Euromale UAV program with their ridiculous requests, making it overengineered, overpriced and ten years late. For what will have less features than a Reaper.
They fricked the MAWS program by buying Poseidon planes "as a stop gap measure, guys, we promise" meanwhile they're securing a second 8 planes order.
I'm not saying France is blameless, but Germany is the bane of cooperation these days.
This
French ruined the MGCS and now they ruin the FCAS.
>French ruined the MGCS
How? Because Nexter was working well with KMW when Rheinmetal came throwing a tantrum and claiming the whole cake for themselves? >and now they ruin the FCAS.
That's what you'll tell yourself for the next 30 years while not producing anything, while the french will enjoy another 100% french fighterjet.
Airbus D&S has one job: to assume their junior position, follow the instructions, and stop trying to steal IP. Oh sorry that's 3 jobs, an endeavor way too hard for superior germans.
Whatever, Airbus can still lobby Lockheed Martin to build stealth buttplugs for the F-35 as wokshare in exchange for the next Luftwaffe order for 100 more JSFs, which, I'm sure, is better than what the french can offer.
Have fun.
My God, do you even realize what you accuse Dassault of doing (protip: they don't) is exactly what Rheinmetal is actually really doing right now?
Let us be FFS. Go annoy somebody else. Or assume the fact you're trying to frick France, which will prove my points.
it's well known that French gear is generally lighter and wheeled because France uses it to fight in Africa for the most part. There's a reason why all other self-propelled howitzers are armored and the new version of the CAESAR is armored too.
>KNDS is a cooperation that works. >Dassault-Airbus isn't.
one is an actual joint venture/holding (KNDS), the others is Dassault wanting to do everything on its own and getting money for it
>naval landing capabilities
You sure about that bud? Airlift sure, but never read about a lack of naval logistics. Besides there's no port in Mali, they don't have sea access.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>list of French landing craft that payloaf exceeds 60 tons >less than 10
Yeah, I'm sure
2 years ago
Anonymous
So it's a lack according to you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Being unable to move any mechanized forces with your own naval assets is a rather glaring issue. Regardless of what you and I think.
Archer is also just L/52
apparently the new L/60 gun can fire 80km far
What’s the point of normal tank guns when you have this? Can’t be intercepted by ADS, higher range, more ammo, guaranteed kill when even only hit near a vehicle.
AMOS/NEMO is still out there, but there hasn't been a huge amount of interest in it. The advantage of long-range guided artillery and rockets is two-fold: you not only get to shoot at stuff farther behind enemy lines, but you can cover a much wider frontage with a smaller number of vehicles (and thus being far cheaper per km of front lines). That's been the driving trend of late, especially now that cheap guidance is available for shells.
There's still a place for SPMs, but it's not really a high priority at the moment, and drones, from Switchblades down to DJIs with grenades, are threatening some of the mortar's traditional use cases.
eventually will replace MBT, indirect guided, along with firing on the move, MRSI, offer greater fire where you need it, over the traditional direct fire MBT.
and with the permant threat of direct line of sight, and cheap line following ATGMs. concealment and cover is even more important, as you cannot be reliant on armour.
the technology for mortars as effective as directfire, in terms of accuracy and rate of fire, still needs development. but once the hardware is evolved, the mortar becomes as effective as missles with the ammunition costs of basic shells.
can't see anyone getting thier act together with leveraging an advanced fire control and the mbt like mobility and armour with the mortar yet. but for effective fires it cant see how you would beat it
>gun isn't enclosed, just lazily welded to the back of a truck >marked as le superb artillerie
No, frick you and your hon media propaganda. Francophiles get out.
When I run for president, I'll campaign to make everything the military has access to legally purchasable online through a government website.
Remember me so you won't think I'm a glowie in 9 years. I'll even say Black person on live TV for you homosexuals.
>still no autoloader
>still have to get out of the cabin to fire
>still only L/52
at least it's smaller and lighter, I guess, but I'm still looking more forward to pic related.
>not archer
poo poo
Archer is also just L/52
apparently the new L/60 gun can fire 80km far
L/52 can fire base bleed up to 40km. I doubt 8 calibre lengths more are going to double that.
Might be it accepts higher pressures.
Either way, we do not know enough about the HX3 artillery system yet to compare it to archer. Might be there are technical improvements (it's a newer development after all) that justify the higher weight, might not be.
>still no autoloader
Semi-automatic.
CAESAR just works, it's battle proven. No one wants the archer.
isn't the upcoming 8x8 ceasar what you want ?
apparently there are still soldiers outside loading the gun, so even that isn't fully automatic and remote
also no, I'm German, I want a domestic product
we need more artillery and rn it seems there are three options:
>more PzH 2000, proven but too heavy and seems not worth it
>Boxer with RCH155, really capable but its capabilities seem unnecessary to me and probably too expensive
>Rheinmetall truck I posted, best choice imo, especially with the option for a L/60 gun
>RCH155
I would love to see a joint project between our countries but your gov seems to be decided to frick them up, at least the european jet fighter, the tank and the naval surveillance plane
here in france germany has received a lot of criticism for really slowing down if not destroying such projects
I'm opposed to the FCAS, because Germany isn't an equal partner in it.
When we did the Tornado and Eurofighter together with the UK, Italy and Spain (for the Eurofighter), there was a consortium and everyone was equal, just with different workloads. Now with the FCAS, Dassault wants to do it all by its own basically, but receive German funding. I hope it fails and we do something else.
conventional artillery still has its place, the US is developing it too
dassault has an obvious lead in plane making, so it should be obvious they should do most of the design
same way your tank manufacturer should have the lead over the common tank
I don't see the issue
a fighter plane is way more expensive than a tank, it's not an equal deal
we can do a tank on our own no problem, Rheinmetall already has the KF51
for a plane we can either look for a partner who's willing to give us a fair deal or just buy American.
based french making germans seethe as always
French seethed when Germany announced it will buy F-35
Germany isn't too wienery to buy American planes, if the French continue being buttholes about the FCAS, they can fund it on their own.
Everyone in France wants the project to die. Both countries have different needs, different philosophies regarding the planes and what it should do. Only dumbass Macron is still advocating for it.
Germany is more than equal partner in FCAS. Count the number of pillars and look at the workshare.
It is an equal partner in NGF plane, France even accepted that 33% of the plane is designed with nobody actualy responsible for these elements if they're fricked up. Guess who requested it? How is that acceptable that you design a fricking 6th generation combat plane that is expected to secure European airspace for decades to come, and no company is responsible if the element is not delivered on time, overcost, underperforming or unreliable?! Then, Germany asked for the flight control to also be designed that way and Dassault simply refused, which, considering how fricking central that element is, is 100% understandable. And at least they're taking their responsabilities, they're able and willing to be held accountable for that. Yet the Germans are seething because they can't accept France keeps leadership on any critical part.
At the same time Germany is working super hard to modify the Nexter-KMW 50/50% deal for the development of the next gen MBT and associated vehicles, turning it into what would effectively be a 33/66% workshare with the inclusion of Rheinmetal.
They fricked the Tiger upgrade program by refusing to participate (which, considering the cost, is not entirely inunderstandable, I admit)
They're fricking the Euromale UAV program with their ridiculous requests, making it overengineered, overpriced and ten years late. For what will have less features than a Reaper.
They fricked the MAWS program by buying Poseidon planes "as a stop gap measure, guys, we promise" meanwhile they're securing a second 8 planes order.
I'm not saying France is blameless, but Germany is the bane of cooperation these days.
Basicaly Germany wants Airbus to be just as little responsible of whatever failure may happen, as with the NH90 consortium.
And we all can see how succesful this program has been.
Germany makes the H145M which works flawlessly, France makes the NH90 and also Eurocopter Tigre, no?
NH90 and Tiger are joint programmes. Pic related.
NHI is a JV between Airbus Helicopters, Leonardo and Fokker Aerostructures. So France Germany Spain Italy Netherlands.
The H145M is also using shared french tech, specifically the fenestron.
France has produced several extremely reliable helis by itself in the past and still do. Gazelle. Ecureuil. Puma. Dauphin...
The only heli to have landed atop the Everest is french.
>https://www.bosshunting.com.au/motors/mount-everest-helicopter-landing/
Yes, when MBB and Aerospatiale merged, the germans got all the french heli tech for free. H135 and H145 are evolutions of the Bo105 doped with these techs.
Meanwhile the H130 lags behind commercially speaking. Which prompts some germans to think they're the bosses of the game at Airbus heli. But since their politicians are now wienerblocking other programmes, like recently when refusing to finance the Tiger mk3 standard and speaking openly about buying Apache helicopters, Germany is about to see its weight withing Airbus Helicopters go down the drain.
Plus, the H160M, successor of the Dauphin, will hopefully bring some sense into this bullshit, and some money home in Marignane, at last.
Why is Rheinmetall on such a streak of new systems lately?
Desperation. No one is buying them
cope, that artillery truck isn't even finished yet and Hungary is already interested
Lynx is also barely finished and Hungary already ordered it, others potentially too
the HX truck the artillery is mounted on is used by dozens of countries
their guns are used by dozens of countries too
UK recently announed to buy hundreds of Boxers which Rheinmetall is involved in too, and upgrading their challengers with the Rheinmetall 120mm
etc etc
So they have interest from one shithole country and are involved in the sale of a few hundred vehicles. Rheinmentall puts are easy money
>6.2 billion revenue is nothing
>le stock puts
guaranteed you're that British autist who totally isn't obsessed
$6.2B is nothing for a defense contractor. Check out general dynamics or Raytheon
Cool, very cool, but now dear germand neighbor, please show me any of these Rheimetal vehicules loaded in a C-130 Hercules.
Pic related, a german truck-based howitzer from NextHerr GmbH if Hitler had won in 1945.
inb4:
>muh roads!
roads, ship or rail, or a C-17.
They're made to fight peer enemies, not for bombing Black folk without counter-battery fire abilities in Africa like the CAESAR was designed for.
>because it's not as much as the literal biggest defense companies in the world that means it's nothing
flawless logic
you can give me 6 billion if it's nothing to you
>They're made to fight peer enemies, not for bombing Black folk without counter-battery fire abilities in Africa like the CAESAR was designed for.
Anon, Ukraine is actively using these Caesar to shell the russians. They're loved specifically due to their ability to avoid counter battery.
So I guess russians are africans now?
Which means the whole of braindead NATO must be afraid of africans since they refuse to intervene to b***hslap said russians, especially germans who are afraid of an escalation? Right?
Yet Macron who's a cuck and a former close friend of Putin didn't hesitate to send 18 Caesar the ukrainians now enjoy, just like they enjoy Pzh2000s and KRABs.
Somehow this is logical?
topkek
Not just 8 more calibre lengths, anon, 8 more GERMAN calibre lengths. It makes a huge difference. Due to the use of a metal known as neinneinneinneinium, the performance of anything with a german flag sticker on it gets a +100% buff. It's like in an RPG video game, but for real! You can see this demonstrated with the new german coal plants that somehow emitt less CO2 than french nuclear powerplants.
#DeutscheQualität
KNDS is a holding resulting from a joint-venture, not really a conglomerate. There is no sharing of intellectual property apart from what is explicitly developed together, and they're still contenders on certain markets. What they do together is a way to take the best of both companies to propose newer products, and to avoid unwanted relationships with difficult partners at home or abroad. KMW can thus avoid being eaten alive by Rheinmetal, which is an objective pursued by Armin Papperger, and Nexter can, just like they do with Tatra, put their turrets, guns, and other systems onto different chassis to gain more visibility on export markets, as well as remind Arquus (Renault Trucks Defense, owned by Volvo) they're still capable of seeking a different partner.
KNDS is a cooperation that works.
Dassault-Airbus isn't.
>So I guess russians are africans now?
Always have been
Ok. This means the Caesar, which, as said by this anon, is
>"made for bombing Black folk without counter-battery fire abilities in Africa"
is totally adapted to the theater of operations in Ukraine, which is the hottest war since WW2 in Europe, between what is essentially a semi-proxy of the west, and Russia.
>The Caesar is litteraly 10 to 15 tons lighter than this overbloated german design.
>Way more convenient logistic wise.
Shhhh, don't tell them the Caesar 6x6 is less than 18 metric tons, they may realize air and rail mobility cannot be achieved with super heavy ultra big vehicles, and that moving them is actually more damaging to their chassis than firing.
This
>French ruined the MGCS
How? Because Nexter was working well with KMW when Rheinmetal came throwing a tantrum and claiming the whole cake for themselves?
>and now they ruin the FCAS.
That's what you'll tell yourself for the next 30 years while not producing anything, while the french will enjoy another 100% french fighterjet.
Airbus D&S has one job: to assume their junior position, follow the instructions, and stop trying to steal IP. Oh sorry that's 3 jobs, an endeavor way too hard for superior germans.
Whatever, Airbus can still lobby Lockheed Martin to build stealth buttplugs for the F-35 as wokshare in exchange for the next Luftwaffe order for 100 more JSFs, which, I'm sure, is better than what the french can offer.
Have fun.
My God, do you even realize what you accuse Dassault of doing (protip: they don't) is exactly what Rheinmetal is actually really doing right now?
Let us be FFS. Go annoy somebody else. Or assume the fact you're trying to frick France, which will prove my points.
it's well known that French gear is generally lighter and wheeled because France uses it to fight in Africa for the most part. There's a reason why all other self-propelled howitzers are armored and the new version of the CAESAR is armored too.
>KNDS is a cooperation that works.
>Dassault-Airbus isn't.
one is an actual joint venture/holding (KNDS), the others is Dassault wanting to do everything on its own and getting money for it
>neinneinneinneinium
>NextHerr GmbH if Hitler had won in 1945.
It's funny because Nexter is now part of a Franco-German conglomerate.
>A French talking about logistics
Lol
Lmao
Care to elaborate?
French despite designing their whole army around African Warfare have very little airlift and naval landing capabilities
>naval landing capabilities
You sure about that bud? Airlift sure, but never read about a lack of naval logistics. Besides there's no port in Mali, they don't have sea access.
>list of French landing craft that payloaf exceeds 60 tons
>less than 10
Yeah, I'm sure
So it's a lack according to you.
Being unable to move any mechanized forces with your own naval assets is a rather glaring issue. Regardless of what you and I think.
Ja kamerad, improved habitze it only veights 50 tons more and its 20 times more expensive, good deal ja?
you dont need to go that heavy to achive that either
Does rheinmetall love fricking boxes? I kinda feel like most of their stuff have that boxy turret look.
All German designs are boxy.
The Caesar is litteraly 10 to 15 tons lighter than this overbloated german design.
Way more convenient logistic wise.
What’s the point of normal tank guns when you have this? Can’t be intercepted by ADS, higher range, more ammo, guaranteed kill when even only hit near a vehicle.
Who cares? HIMARS is way more important
Do you want to blow up some land one time really hard, or blow it up repeatedly.
Different tools for different jobs.
More logistics required, lengthy reload process, rockets have a minimum engagement range. Different tools for different uses.
While most of the talks these days are about SPHs and LRMs what's the general view on mortar carriers?
MRLs*
AMOS/NEMO is still out there, but there hasn't been a huge amount of interest in it. The advantage of long-range guided artillery and rockets is two-fold: you not only get to shoot at stuff farther behind enemy lines, but you can cover a much wider frontage with a smaller number of vehicles (and thus being far cheaper per km of front lines). That's been the driving trend of late, especially now that cheap guidance is available for shells.
There's still a place for SPMs, but it's not really a high priority at the moment, and drones, from Switchblades down to DJIs with grenades, are threatening some of the mortar's traditional use cases.
eventually will replace MBT, indirect guided, along with firing on the move, MRSI, offer greater fire where you need it, over the traditional direct fire MBT.
and with the permant threat of direct line of sight, and cheap line following ATGMs. concealment and cover is even more important, as you cannot be reliant on armour.
the technology for mortars as effective as directfire, in terms of accuracy and rate of fire, still needs development. but once the hardware is evolved, the mortar becomes as effective as missles with the ammunition costs of basic shells.
can't see anyone getting thier act together with leveraging an advanced fire control and the mbt like mobility and armour with the mortar yet. but for effective fires it cant see how you would beat it
>gun isn't enclosed, just lazily welded to the back of a truck
>marked as le superb artillerie
No, frick you and your hon media propaganda. Francophiles get out.
En loses guns are just a false perception of futuristic triangular shaped barrel shrouds. It’s dead weight
Degenerates like you belong . . . in the crosshairs.
these have all been captured and destroyed, along with all the himars
ukiepigs are finished
French ruined the MGCS and now they ruin the FCAS.
Veni vedi veci in Ukraine.
What other project have stalled or is stalling between France and Germany?
OP is a gaygit