HIMARS is doing God's Work, but according to Russian milbloggers apparently it's the Caesar that's kicking the shit out of Russian artillery.
Other highlights, Russian artillery fires several hundred shots to achieve 1-2 hits and drones have made the russian system of massed artillery fires completely untenable.
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I have a question: can you fire a SPG on the move? If not, why not?
No.
Recoil.
Even if its slow enough you couldn't do it?
That new German boxer, the RCH 155 can apparently.
Try to hit a target at 1000 yards, any rifle of your choice, while slow walking around said target. Should give an idea what an SPG has to deal with.
You can, it just requires the computing within to be smart enough, it predicts the movement of the gun by analysing the movement of the wheels and hull, and since there's some time between the initial shock from the wheels getting through the suspension and then the gun suspension it can adjust the gun to expect the shock, and even with a decent amount of movement it will wait till the millisecond where it's actually aiming perfectly enough for a shot and then fire. This requires a fair amount of calibration but it can be done. AI inparticular could be pretty good at doing this for a modern gun when trained well on simulations, but we've had clever programming able to do it for a while in video games let alone real life that arguably is more reliable at this point in time as long as it's set up right with the variables all right too.
It's a bit like when you're aiming down a long scope and you kind of wait for the right moment to take the shot as the reticule crosses over the target, before the overshoot.
Look at how the Spade takes the rear wheels completely off the ground. The frame and suspension won't be able to handle it
I don't think he meant specifically the caesar.
Oh, then yeah the Boxer SPG can do just that
Even if you theoretically had the ability to trundle along at 2 mph and fire, you would practically choose to stop anyway. Even tanks will usually stop before firing, even if only for a moment.
There would be great difficulty in computing the target data while you're moving. Accuracy on target requires you to know exactly where you are.
You're talking about the recoil of a frickhuge shell firing going directly down onto a truck bed
Without the massive anchor arms they set down before firing, its going to blow out the fricking suspension and maybe even the tires unless the vehicle is specifically engineered for firing on the move
Artillery is already a fine art form to hit anything though, adding the complications of you moving is just wasting shells
you CAN, you can't fire one accurately though
Guided shells?
That said the best thing I can think of is
>Shoot and Scoot 2, Boom and Vroom
>Arty truck is "technically" able to fire on the move but, obviously, this is hardly ideal.
>Instead it begins the process of targeting and loading shells before the vehicle even comes to a halt, so the second it stops moving it can shit out a barrage and immediately start driving again the second the last shell leaves the barrel, folding back into stowage while it's moving
it begins the process of targeting and loading shells before the vehicle even comes to a halt, so the second it stops moving it can shit out a barrage and immediately start driving again
I know for a fact that the PzH2000 has the capability and would therefore be surprised if CEASER did not
ceasar prob has the fire controll for it but not the autoloader. you also have to deploy the spade at the back of the vehicle for firing. but apart from that its a good shoot and scooter
I feel like I've seen something about ones that are currently in design being able to do that. Obviously you need some kind of targeting and stabilising system for it that locks the gun to where you want to fire while you move otherwise it's just going to go all over the place. I don't think anything in service yet can really do it effectively.
A guided missile launcher could fire on the move. As could a drone launcher for the same reason.
>A guided missile launcher could fire on the move.
a hot launch while on the move sounds like a sure way to destroy the launcher
>A guided missile launcher could fire on the move
Webm or GTFO.
Mostly they don't have the stabilizers for the fun and rely on anchoring themselves to the ground for stability.
Some can because they are properly stabilized.
Some can fire in movement but only straight ahead on a flat trajectory.
Isn't it the main selling point of the new German thing they are making?
Yes.
Current plans is that Ukraine will get them in late 2025. We'll have to see if it actually works in such a conflict.
You "can", but you wouldn't hit anything and badly wreck your vehicle due to the recoil. The stabilizer things aren't there for show.
RCH155 plans to battle test that later in the year
Pretty crazy that we can have live battle tests now
RCH-155 will be delivered in a number of 35 right out of the new production line, I read. Hopefully they work well because they'd be ideal carriers of special 155mm ammo if they do.
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Check out that fire on the move.
kino, thanks for the link
That looks really good.
Hopefully the Brits also send their new lazors to Ukraine for battle testing.
What else could we send for battle testing? Sweden and Denmark ordered CV9035MLU for Ukraine, so they'll have a first run as a freshly modern IFV there.
Panther tanks will probably be produced in Ukraine by Rheinmetall too.
they don't need battle testing
the only stuff being sent to Ukraine is stuff that, while current, there are replacements in the pipeline for so it doesn't matter if they're captured
There's nothing wrong with battle testing, it's through that we've discovered that M777s are basically sitting ducks unless your air force can kill drone pilots faster than they can kill the artillery.
Works out kinks, tests the viability of shit on the battlefield.
>we've discovered that M777s are basically sitting ducks unless your air force can kill drone pilots faster than they can kill the artillery.
we knew that already
battlefield testing is nice, but not necessary; realistic exercises can work those kinks out as well
And artillery on wheels is better than towed or tracked artillery
Need to anchor the gun or you’ll shoot maybe 3 rounds before it twists your chassis into duck penis
OTRK?
KBB? I assume that one is counter battery fire
>OTRK?
Thanks. Sorry for being moronic, I must have mistyped it when I ctrl+f'd the thread
So KBB=Kounter Battery Bloodshed?
I did military service in artillery (Finland) and I imagine what we were taught is extremely outdated by now
Ukrainian military advisors will probably make lots of dosh off of improving European artillery forces in the future
by the time this ends russia will be in no shape to wage any kind of war. possibly ever.
Yea but down south you might need to do some border control.
You could have called the thread Render Unto Caesar. Disappointed.
I would say its surprising that the Russians didn't permanently pivot away from their strategy of just spam firing 90% of their shells into fields back when they had their own ammo shortages issue before the NK infusion but they really just refuse to fricking learn anything until there are no other options, it is fricking surreal to watch from the sidelines.
>We're very lucky they're so fricking stupid
They were hoping overwhelming fire superiority would either break Ukraine and allow them to possibly get primary and secondary objectives.
If they stopped or reduced fire missions earlier, Ukraine would have gained fire superiority and they would have lost more land right away instead of months down the line. They were hoping they would be able to outpace Ukrainian aid by sheer production volume regardless, and that earlier victories would lead to later ones as their enemy would be degraded.
It's not a bad idea either, it's just they didn't prepare this far ahead, and even if they did they propbaky couldn't have done anything different. They were damned early if they didn't use it, and they were damned later if they did.
They could always have not invaded Ukraine.
Monke see, monke do.
>They were hoping they would be able to outpace Ukrainian aid by sheer production volume regardless, and that earlier victories would lead to later ones as their enemy would be degraded.
This is still a viable option, but it will take years and leave them with nothing salvageable in Ukraine and a derelict economy
If you look at the pro-Russia twitter accounts or subreddits, the Russians have been using laser-guided krasnopol shells a lot more in the last couple of months.
Historically, weight of fire has been a winning tactics for Russia in war. Russians have loved artillery for a very long time and use it to make up for a lot of shortcomings elsewhere.
What's the alternative? Their artillery is increasingly older and with more barrel wear, they're undoubtably experiencing personnel shortages and pushing less well trained crews to the front just to have enough warm bodies, and they must be issuing lower quality shells as they dig deeper into their ammunition stockpiles. I can't imagine what the average CEP is at this point. The only chance they have of advancing is to drown the Ukrainians under their weight of fire, That's been true since the summer of 2022.
A one trick pony can't really choose not to use the trick.
This made me look up more artillery. The 2S35 that Russia intended on making their next self propelled arty was supposed to have a standard firing range of 40kms and a maximum firing range of 80kms. They actually just pulled that number out of their asses. That's wild. Also they should really stop pretending they can take on NATO if the caesar scares them. Most of NATO have self propelled guns with similar capabilities. And those that don't, have alternatives, like the US and UK.
>US
>Don't
If the GLGP round is actually still being talked about (this is the round originally meant for Railguns but it turns out it would make a decent artilly round in the M109A7) then the US has arty with a range of around 90km
To add on to this
https://insidedefense.com/insider/bae-says-it-fired-xm1155-sc-guided-projectile-record-distance
not sure how trustworthy BAE saying they launched the round a record undisclosed distance means tbh, from what i've seen the round's predecessor managed 110km from a railgun though.
>90km
>110km
what's the time to target for something like that you reckon?
long enough for me to finish off your mum and have a smoke
Ya but only legs get to use the paladin, im stuck here with towed bullshit
Time to apologize /k/
>lust provoking image, irrelevant time wasting question
It's a good system. But its a French system.
I'm going to need a decode, Anon
>verification not required
If Caesar is so great then why did the U.S reject it? checkmate
Because we almost always choose indigenous designs over European ones. See;
>M-14 vs T48 (FAL)
>M4 vs XM8
>M1918 vs Vickers
>Bradley vs whatever Euro alternative
Domestic production matters a lot and french are really anal about licenced production.
Russian artillery had always been trash. Their accuracy was a joke. The reason why we let our ammo production atrophy so much wasn’t because our defense strategies were dumb but because the West’s operational experiences indicated that we simply didn’t need nearly as many rounds to strike targets. Fire-control computers, near-real-time ISR, battlefield networking, high-quality guns and ammo, meant that arty could destroy anything they shot at with only a handful of rounds. Then Russia and Ukraine got into WW1 and the high-IQ Western world looked on aghast as we suddenly asked to start mass manufacturing of shells. What we SHOULD HAVE DONE was simply told Putin to leave or else, and that would have been that. But we have a leadership crisis which is why Putin attempts these invasions to begin with.
>Caesar
Overrated technical. Change my mind.
>apolochives, honhonhon
All the SPGs given to Ukraine have been recognized as solid guns by /k/ since day one of the war. Just that Pzh2k and Krab got meme'd on because of their nature, they still did good work.
> Just that Pzh2k and Krab got meme'd on because of their nature,
Ayykshyually they were memed on because chug-adiacent morons larped as poles and krauts trying to provoke both into shitflinging at each other. Needless to say since both poles and krauts are morons, they kind of succeded.
The problem with the PzH2k and Krab to a degree is they take forever to produce by the looks of it. Ukraine placed an order for 100 PzH2k and also for 50 or so Krabs in 2022. I haven't heard anything of the Krab order but so far not a single one of those 100 PzH2k has been delivered. Caesars meanwhile can be produced a lot quicker which is really good for Ukraine.
AFAIK Huta Stalowa Wola produces ~50 Krab howitzers per year, with the intention to increase production to 100 howitzers per year by the end of 2024. Poland has 152+ nad Ukraine has 52 of those on order, but how many were already delivered to Ukrainians is classified.
>Ukraine placed an order for 100 PzH2k
According to Wikipedia (and source there) that deal wasn't sealed
Basé
>mfw knowing my tax money took an enormous amount of lives from Russian artillerymen
>cinquantes shades de banlieue
I mean it's a plain looking salad and all but it's not THAT scary.
Was it a Krab that got shot so many times past its service life that the barrel fell off?
That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point
So it's not supposed to do that?
It's actually expected to do that. That's why it had a limit on shell usage.
Well, there are a lot of those Krabs going around the front all the time and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don't want people to think Krabs aren't safe
by all means no!
Most of them are built so the barrel doesn't get blown off at all
then what is it expected to do?
well not blow the barrel off that's for sure, I just wanna make that perfectly clear
True to caesar
>they are shot mainly with lancets or OTRK
moron here - what is OTRK plz?
>OTRK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka
ty anon <3
neverserved here, does it hurt to fire one of those?
The fact that the Russians didn’t have anything between a Pion (38km) and 300mm rockets (120-200km) with which to fight against modern Western systems able to reach out 40km was a major shortcoming. Also things like Pion (203mm) were slow and inaccurate like all the other Soviet guns. If it weren’t for the constant shell-hunger the Ukies have been suffering from most of the war the Russian artillery forces would have trashed and held back. They now have those universal flight kit things (UMPB) which will finally let them perform accurate counter-battery strikes from 300mm tubes (Smerch, Tornado). They’re also supposedly testing a new Ceaser-type SPG loaded up with fire control etc (picrel) but it looks a lot heavier and is probably not as mobile or quick to setup / take-down.
I have serious doubts this thing will actually go into mass production. Setting up new production lines is hard enough in peace time let alone in the middle of a war and then this is also Russia we're talking about. At this stage I suspect we're far more likely to see Nork artillery systems in Ukraine than that thing.
>No hearing protection in sight
>Koksan
Those guys are way past REEEEEEEEEEEE aren't they?
Allah safeguards their ears.
Wrong.
AGAIN with the NAFO troons wrong.
If you were right, would not be transexuals that frick dogs?
No. Would not.
Want.
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It's prime killdozer material.
Would have been a Boss Character in the Libyan Civil War.
You mean this thing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S43_Malva
They almost had Hermes but it was never finalized. Hermes was a Pantsir missile adapted with an anti-surface mode and designated by laser. It would have had a ~25kg warhead and 100km range, so midway between Excalibur and Himars.
OTRK == tactical ballistic missiles
not necessarily tochka, it's just an acronym for all tactical missiles systems
Source?
>The enemy has few of these
>when the shipment of 78 more Caesars is coming this year
Hon hon hon
God I love France recently.
>78 more Caesars is coming this year
For real? Salsa?
https://apnews.com/article/france-ukraine-ammunition-howitzers-af44ababeef42de98170660cc1753b77
CAESARs will be basically shipped straight from the conveyor to the train for Ukraine from now on.
Don't get too excited, those guns aren't going to make much difference without a correspondingly significant increase in Ukrainians 155mm shell supply, which hasn't happened
...yet
Have you not read the OPs pics? it's not about saturation anymore, it's about speed of deployment and precision. They're shootin' and scootin'
With saturation, Ukraine can shoot and scoot across the whole frontline, which feels like a gamechanger.
>They're shootin' and scootin
Same as i do after picking OP's mum up at the gas station
It actually has. Update your script.
Macron is really pissed about what russia is doing in africa
>Nooo you can't take our title of worst ever colonies away from us!
Frick I don't even want to imagine what Russian colonies would have been like.
>Russian colonies would have been like.
Next russian despot will try to regain some crumbs of prestige there
I dunno if they count. That's like right there. I mean a good proper overseas colony. That's like saying Europe was a French colony at one point.
>Colonialism is when boats
>I mean a good proper overseas colony
Given the overall geography, climate and lack of infrastructure it probably took less time to sail from Britain to America then to reach any place in Siberia or the Pacific from Moscow.
I understand why it might not seem that way given Europe's history of overseas colonialism, but you're wrong
The Teutonic Order being sent to settle Prussia and "convert" the locals? That's colonialism
Russia spreading all the way to the Pacific in the first place? That's colonialism
China genociding entire populations in the western bit of their country to replace them with Chinks? That's colonialism
>colonialism is only when poor Black folk get empired dot commed
>Yeah let's put our capital in the ass of the country
What were they thinking?
The real answer why the border is so fricked up is that there were all kinds of ethnicities living next to each other and when the USSR made internal states, they split them up based on those ethnicities
>when the USSR made internal states, they split them up based on those ethnicities
But Stalin literally shipped people around whole USSR to frick with population of those republics
Those borders were drawn this way specifically to weaken these states so they couldn't revolt against USSR leadership
Heh, this isn't even my final form.
>DO NOT REDEEM THE BORDER BLOODY b***h
Wait until you see the Indian enclave inside a Bangladeshi enclave inside an Indian enclave inside Bangladesh. It's the only counter-counter-enclave in the world.
I forgot to mention this, but it's about the size of a football field and completely uninhabited.
It no longer exists, sadly. India and Bangladesh managed to put aside their nationalist autism for long enough to regularize the border and eliminate hundreds of enclaves.
Sic transit gloria mundi.
Would you prefer t have Jizzax as the capitol?
Soviets(Russians) drew the borders of their vassal countries specifically to ensure they would be at each other's throats should they ever become free of Russian brotherhood.
is the least subtle example of this, a huge mess of exclaves and enclaves with mountain passes, rivers etc.
Stalin deliberately border gored it
The only thing France cares about from Africa are vital natural resources, like uranium. Russia seems to have thought France would just meekly scuttle away when they stuck their oar in, which was a fair assumption because until now Macron had given every impression of being a contemptible coward, and his political rivals were even worse belly-crawlers. Apparently even Frenchmen have red lines.
>uranium
can this fricking myth die already?
france has always and will continue to pull 80% of it's uranium imports from canada.
If he’s pissed, I assume he can pick up the phone and call the military to order them to do something about it. If he hasn’t than I assume he doesn’t actually care that much.
Putin must have pissed off Macron
how popular is he with the french public currently? wars are usually a pretty good way to get support for the government and giving ukraine is both safe (no french soldiers dying) and easily justifiable (evil russia crushing poor ukrainians)
mid at best
he's a bit of dick but has a strong following in the center
He's probably going to win re-election because they always end in a run off and if it's centrist against someone from the right or the left the other side votes center. It is going to be closer tough than last time but the left is more motivated to go out to beat RN.
His real problem; is the parliament where it's normal proportional representation and he has to tard wrangle a coalition that while stable is losing votes according to all the polls so they'd have to shake things up or probably look for an other coalition member (maybe Éric Zemmour Reconquête if the manage to stick to their about 7-8 percent polls)
but take all off that with a hearty helping of salt because I'm not French but just consume french political media too keep my french fresh
>His real problem; is the parliament where it's normal proportional representation
how does that work in the French system, given their moronic two-stage / playoff election method? does he still have to form coalitions, or do alliances go on a vote by vote basis? what's the party makeup of the executive arm?
Frog here
>he's a bit of dick but has a strong following in the center
True. I don't remember the exact numbers but the most recent poll results I saw put him at around 30% of positive opinion among the French public. Not much, but way better than his predecessor (the bar was very low to be honest)
>He's probably going to win re-election
He already did, he can't be reelected in 2027 (next presidential elections)
>look for an other coalition member (maybe Éric Zemmour Reconquête if the manage to stick to their about 7-8 percent polls)
It would be a political death sentence, a lot of Macron voters see Zemmour as Hitler incarnate, while most Zemmour voters despise Macron on a visceral level
>He already did, he can't be reelected in 2027 (next presidential elections)
oh term limit
>It would be a political death sentence, a lot of Macron voters see Zemmour as Hitler incarnate, while most Zemmour voters despise Macron on a visceral level
I had the impression that zemmour was considered to be less far right that RN
well thank your for correcting and good luck with the olympic summer
SEXO
god i love the baguette launcher
I am so mind broken that I thought the flashing screen was a pepe post.
the number is too small to make a difference
good thing ukraine is getting more of them then
You guys said that about HIMARS, too.
Tell it to the hundreds and hundreds of russkie artillery pieces dead at their hands.
Say it with me homosexual:
TOTAL
ZIGGER
DEATH
Yeah me too.
Love the unity of the western world in their fight for total russian death.
why caesar and not archer? why doesnt anyone want our super expensive gun truck
Because there are 8 Archers vs ~67 Caesars in Ukraine.
Internal borders preceded Stalin and his deportation frickery for the most part.
There was more stuff for border security in combined package months ago, who blocked that?
unironically both sides
American politicians just don't pull together like they used to, every tiny little thing is seized upon as a pretext
Democrat cancel culture, Republican contrarianism
I've never understood this mindset. How do they not understand that sending military aid for the US generates money and influence rather than draining them? It's like they can only think in terms of physical cash being moved from one location to another.
>I've never understood this mindset.
concern trolling plus western media failing and zigger copeganda being successful in portraying the image its literal pallets of physical cash being shipped and not the dollar valuation of equipment
case in point for the vatnik propaganda version:
Its just zigger shills trying to demoralize
It's not. Dipshit. People disagree with you.
And fyi
>Le shilling
Russian psyops play both sides. So if you have seen some moronic isolationist shit yeah shills, you know that. But if you've seen some crazy "all Republicans must hang" also a shill. Their strategy is to play both sides off each other and create disunity. They don't actually "pick" a side. >This weekend was full of the latter type of shilling
pulling out the BMP-1s and Iranian artillery shells is a sure sign of victory, sergey pidarovic
>quite literally crying out as he strikes you
Impressive. Very nice.
I'm Robert Cheeseburger from the Michigan oblast and I agree, we must not provoke great russian bear, they have nuclear weapons,
>p-please! I have a family! no, god, no!
>ACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK
That dark skin. Isn't that some kind of Uzbek or other Tatar?
Either way, he's about to be turned into tartar
kek, I just had steak tartar for lunch
>just had lunch
>nearly 3pm
such is the hard life of a public sector worker in France
I’ve seen French people strike for less.
Send more Caesar
It's been claimed he's (was?) literally indian
No, I'm not joking
A few of them died and most of the ones that got sent back home were horribly injured first, so it's possible. He definitely looks more like an Indian than a Central Asian.
>2 more semesters and we will take the Ukraine
Oh wow, a real living vatnik. Haven't seen one of these in a while
>give ukraine X amount of US build weapons
>you now have to build X amount of US build weapons
for the US economy it's just moving money around for the most part.
For russia it's an other chunk of productive middle aged men getting blow to zitterenes.
now gtfo shilltard
Always mystifies me how morons spin weapons being used into a loss. What exactly do they think the MIC does?
it's like they think that Ford makes money by not making cars and that you own a car to just let it sit there, idle for decades before you scrap it.
and the rest of the world has stopped buying russian weapons and US/EU orders are booming
I bet South Korean industry is quietly very happy about all of this.
>quietly very happy
nah man they are very, very happy about it and don't bother hiding it
>What money and how and will it be generated after Ukraine's inevitable defeat?
The US and US allies are going to have a major role in fuel exports from the near east in the future, not just because there will be a butcher's bill when this is over, but also because China and Russia are going to be frozen out of Ukrainian politics, as are the towelheads in Tehran. Guess what else Ukraine makes a bunch of that thirdies need? Food. It will become possible in the next few decades to exert enormous pressure on recalcitrant lesser peoples with a new ally on-side.
>America sends old munitions and vehicles it's not using that cost money to store or decommission to Ukraine
>Gets to manufacture more munitions providing frickloads of jobs and boosting local economies
>Racks up favour after favour with Europe and NATO allies that they can leverage for trade deals and force European nations to help them with resource wars in the middle east
>Will basically own Ukraine when it eventually wins
>Has reduced Russia from a great power that it used to fight proxy wars against to being a joke where the proxy wars of other nations take place
I mean I could just keep going on. There is really no downside for the US and Europe supporting Ukraine. It's the best thing to happen for Western nations in a long time.
Wrong. They don't have a problem targeting Caesar with their drones.
https://t.me/Dnepro_Rub/2402
>They don't have a problem targeting Caesar with their drones.
Just because Russia can destroy Caesar with a drone, doesn't mean they don't have problems with it
This is the Ukrainian artillery Russia destroyed in 1 week in April.
https://nitter.poast.org/RoastedPorkCo/status/1780188332569309322
>1 CAESAR
Implessyiv
>This is the Ukrainian artillery Russia destroyed in 1 week in April.
There's days with Russia losing 32 artillery pieces, visually confirmed
Summer 2023 was crazy for Russia’s artillery losses. I remember it being an average of 20 guns per day.
Visually confirmed by the conman Perpetua?
https://nitter.poast.org/KautlaFarmFire/status/1772560935648981191#m
What even is your post moron
Visually confirmed by a variety of sources, all of them infinitely more credible and trustworthy than (You) and your fellow zigger propagandists. Seethe more about it.
>Russia killed one (1) CAESAR while losing hundreds and hundreds of artillery pieces to them
LMAO, seems like quite the ratio for a basic-ass 155mm duct-taped to a truck.
They destroyed at least 5 so far.
Well, it's not nothing... but it's close.
Okay, so it's five to several hundred. LMAO.
Why isn't this SPG a burned out piece of melted steel?
Oh ok, I thought you were being serious. Now I realise you're just being silly trying to bait responses. Good job I guess.
I'm a different guy who was baiting, but if I got your (you) AND stopped you from replying to the vatnik then it's win-win
Fair, I can respect that.
I don't see Ukraine sending waves of men on clown cars bro. Keep coping
Sad. Can't even get your English colloquialisms right.
Let alone ignoring that a Russian made OP's report in the first place.
>"NOTHING WILL SAVE HOHOLS NOW, ESPECIALLY THIS NEW BILL THAT'S ABOUT TO BE SIGNED AND WE'RE TOTALLY NOT SEETHING ABOUT! IT'S OVER!"
>europeans
>exiting nato
Lmao you moron nato will be around for the next 50 years at minimum, new members joining. It would’ve died on its own but you morons cannot stop punching your own dick.
The French will find another reason to leave at some point
No they won’t. They can’t lose influence v ze germans, and if they stay the french will too.
the frogs never left NATO. They left NATO integrated command because they didn't want anyone potentially playing with their toys.
>cut state tax to please ~~*them*~~
>become underfunded
>cry about "foreign gibs" while neglecting to state that most of the funds will be spend in the states, even the one you currently whine about
Far from Misery needing any money, it should be entirely eliminated
You will die slowly and painfully in a forgotten field or village, snow Black person
That won't happen until they run out of sacrificial Kalmykians first
I wonder who could be behind this sudden influx of demoralization and "America first" posts...
Cut them some slack; If they don't do their daily shilling, their beloved Monke will send them a draft notice to fight in the war they're so convinced they will win.
You can tell these guys work 9-5 Mon-Fri because we got nothing out of them during the entire weekend. Fricking slackers should be pulling triple shifts like the rest of the workforce.
SAY IT.
>JE M'EXCUSE!
C’EST CE QUE JE PENSAIS.
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Imagine actually believing this. Imagine actually believing that Putin and Russia would take -less- territory if Ukraine resisted less.
I cannot imagine a more bullshit threat that makes literally no sense. It's like a mugger saying "If you don't resist I'll only take half of what's in your wallet!"
Like, are you actually moronic? Anyway frick off to Russia and get raped to death.
Alright everyone, will we see a shitfit as big as when Gonzalo Lira died in prison?
Did Roach Deadpill even register on MSM news?
Depends, do you consider Cucker to be MSM?
I do not consider Pucker Wife'sSon to be MSM. He's on the outs, just like Trump and Bill O'Reilly (who asks for donations on a webcast now).
Why, "Grrr why did we torture, rape and summarily execute our American mouthpiece?" is not something you really want to be shouting about.
The Russian fractal spirals ever-tighter around zero, swirling in a drain
Artillerymen who post here joke about hearing loss but could be exaggeration.
I was a tanker and normal ear protection plugs were always fine.
At 200 meters distance it's even possible to fall asleep in your tent while main guns are firing.
>but could be exaggeration.
Hell, man. The M777 has been linked to traumatic brain injuries. I can't imagine what it does to your eardrums.
>when Gonzalo Lira died in prison?
wasn't that big of a shitfit, really. Cucker mentioned him once as did that homosexual cartoonist, what was his name again, can't shut up about him but that is it.
wait did Lira actually die, confirmed with proof? couldn't happen to a more worthy guy imo
>that homosexual cartoonist
Ben Garrison? He also whitewashed him too.
Wtf even happened to Ben. He just kinda went full /misc/ and poof, gone
Kinda got too boom-boom-boomer even for PrepHole and faded into the dementia corners of facebook
Election tourists realized he wasn’t based and redpilled like the edits of his cartoons were.
Used to be a libertarian, but after 2016 went full Magatard. Brain tumor isn't doing him any favours either.
>Ben Garrison?
Latuff! That was his name.
Only reason Zyklon Ben was popular was because of the /misc/ edits.
man why would you even rape that thing
Its trad russian culture, you would not understand
>US Senate Intelligence Committee Chairperson Senator Mark Warner reported on April 21 that US provisions of military aid to Ukraine, including long-range ATACMS missiles, will be in transit to Ukraine “by the end of the week” if the Senate passes the supplemental appropriations bill on April 23 and US President Joe Biden signs it by April 24
Are you ready lads?
TZD forever
Meanwhile the euro shell dump has been delayed until June (and will probably get delayed again)
me and my wife are ready
My boner has a boner
The only thing I regret about cluster munitions is that they look relatively unimpressive when filmed by an observer drone from 500m up
The 'airburst' at 0:22 is actually a fratricidal detonation. The submunition gets hit by the fragments from other submunitions.
I legitimately think the U.S. toned them down when they made those modifications to make sure none of the cluster munitions end up being duds that can trigger a warcrime later.
I've seen the color videos of them in Ukraine and even the exploding ones don't create such huge explosions as the ones in these old webms
There are different versions of atacms. the newer ones (relatively ie 1990s instead of 80s) use smaller payloads for more range.
The newest versions use the same unitary warhead as the Harpoon missile which removes the danger of UXO
At least with ATACMS you'll know what area to look for UXO in.
the cluster munitions we've mostly seen mincing mobiks are DPICM submunitions delivered by arty shells. DPICM throws an AT metal jet downwards and spreads shrapnel laterally.
The OG ATACMS Ukraine has been using so far (inertial guidance, lots of submunitions to compensate for less accuracy) use APAM submunitions which are more like bomblets.
Is Kherson still Russian forever?
Yes they voted 101.8% to join Russia forever
It's getting impossible to distinguish between legitimate morons and pretend-morons
>Odessa
Forgive him, he just wants discount d-day to become reality.
Odessa chink is 110% serious and 200% moronic
So, I've worked out that a lot of the shilling unironically happens during office hours in both St. Petersburg and New Delhi time, so anyone doing it on the weekend is a troll.
>last year
So what would the terms have been like if you managed to assassinate Zelensky and install a puppet government in 2022 as you tried to do?
Watch
So is Forever Puccian Kherson still with Puccia vatBlack person?
(apologies in advance for my terrible attempt at the French language)
J'aime CAESAR tirant des obus
J'aime CAESAR, car les Russes exploser
J'aime CAESAR tirant des obus
J'aime CAESAR; j'aime CAESAR
Tirer, camarade, tirer, camarade
Tirer, tirer, tirer!
Tirer, camarade, tirer, camarade
Tirer tirer tirer!
>exploser
explosé: participe passe: because the russians have already exploded
you are using ceasar as a proper name but I think it might be thing and not a name so you'd have to add the masculine prefix le. But that is something I'd leave to a native speaker.
still betty guud
>WOOOW, why do you try to stop me from killing ukrainians!!? Do you want more ukrainians to die?? You bloodthirsty evil burger man. Just let me kill them
Also, you are the biggest imbecile if you think an Ukrainian surrender now would mean peace. Just another war a decade later would start up.
The only way a Russian victory means peace is if they truly kill a lot of them, and the rest of the world does nothing about it. But most people would not support that. You contrarian idiot.
Ukraine somehow magically surrendering so Russia can annex them would be kino, imagine all the insurgencies
People like you should be hunted down and shot on sight, or publicly tortured to death
Biden isn't the only one giving money in the form of deadly aid anon
>It's money that is not going to rebuilding our industrial base, it's just going to [our industrial base]
Do you think before you type?
>April 22 2024
>After months of Russian advances following the fall of the town, Ukrainian defensive positions are now 3km north of avdiivka
>they were about to sign a treaty last year
That's funny, it seems nobody informed Ukraine about this treaty they were supposedly about to sign.
>landlock Ukraine
Post Kherson, subhuman.
/pol/Black folk are so mad lol.
It's because they're all bottoms, so they can't find anyone to frick them.
It's sad.
It's sad, so sad. It's a sad, sad situation. And it's getting more and more absurd
So that explains my anger issues
useless without shells
In debt to whome anon. Think for more than a second kek.
How do they know they are being hit by Caesar specifically?
because you can hear the shell honhonhonng when it comes down
unless it's between 12:00 and 14:00 (lunch) or past 17:00 (past office hours)
Offtopic question, really need your help /k/, there was a video, not sure if on youtube or not, of a "You probably wondering how I ended up here" song/line and then going through all the "adventures" of the VDV at hostomel as well as maybe other russian units in the first few days of the invasion. Anyone got it? been searching for hours
Not sure about the one you're describing, but here's an edit of the Magic School Bus theme song:
This guy has posted the exact thing in all of the other threads. Just ignore him, he's just mad at the Ukraine bill passing and all of the frozen Russian assets being used to assist blowing them all up.
So, how poor are you going to be after this?
>adhere to the international law
ah the ironing
What was so special about this plant, that it has made you this mad about it burning down?
Did family, or friends work here that are now being forced to fight at the front due to being suddenly unemployed?
>don't (generationally) invest your ill-gotten gains in countries and/or blocs that your own government willingly maintains an antagonistic relationship with
>instead, invest locally or with favored allies
vatnik oligarchs sending all their money and kids to the EU for decades will never not be funny.
Even their yachts are built in fricking Italy.
even for those oligarchs that did get targeted keeping assets in the west is still a good hedge/bet.
There is 0 recourse when the local regime wants to take your shit. Less that 0 even because if you try to resist they will probably just kill you.
But if you keep say a third of what you have in the west the regime can't get to it. So if they want to take your shit you can still bail to the west and live off of that money.
If the west decides to take your shit in the west tough luck, part of the game and with some luck the regime will compensate you with some western assets in russia.
oh and one thing I forgot to add
there was a lively trade of non liquid assets at the start of the war when it became clear that this would take a while.
Western assets in russia being traded for russian assets in the west. Usually between frims/people that where already working together to protect their shit from getting taken.
Like a friend of my parents that traded his (majority) stake in a mall in moscow for several bits or real estate in the west that belong to his partners in that mall. Both are now locally "owned" so they can't be taken in tit for that actions and once the war is over they can sort it out again.
Assets of Russians are not being frozen and taken away. Assets of Russian billionaires directly benefitting from Russian government is. Maybe Chinks will think twice about fricking up Taiwan if their real-estate in USA gets confiscated
You're right, I shouldn't equate oligarchs with the average person trying to diversify their portfolio
not every russian get their shit frozen/taken tough
i know several russians that live and work here in Western Europe and the only problem they had was in moving what ever saving they had left in russia out of russia because the russian gouvernement is trying to stop capital flight.
The only entities being hit are state entities, MIC entities and the funds of oligarchs that are close to Putin or involved with the invasion in some way.
Most rich russians still have funds and real estate in the west that is completely unmolested. It's just that most of the really rich and really really rich are also very or very, very connected too the Kremlin.
>globe
Update your metodichka, bro.. The Earth is flat.
>is
will be
>The Earth is flat.
Yes and no.
The National Guard actually kicked out illegals while the Border Patrol just lets them in.
Dont mind me, just Macron posting.
Looks like a GI Joe toy catalogue.
Impressionnant
the mongols are forever redeemed, shoot&scoot will be a perennial tactic til the end of times