>work?
It's a credit-card-sized piece of sheet metal.
It works for all the things you might want a piece of sheet metal to do, from fitting in your wallet to scraping ice off your windshield to getting you arrested on "conspiracy" bullshit if you promote it on youtube.
Yeah.
Not only is the card itself not a machinegun as defined in the NFA, but the CRS guy isn't even accused of making, selling, or even possessing them.
The only thing he stands accused of is shilling them on youtube.
I hate rooting for such an obnoxious dickhead, but even by ATF standards this is an incredible reach.
>any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun,
Lightning link devices have no purpose but to convert a weapon into a machinegun. The fact that they are packaged a certain way is irrelevant.
Is a piece of sheet metal now a machine gun or a coat hanger and access to the internet?
It's literally a piece of sheet metal with a drawing on it. You cant use it as a machine gun unless it's cut out. You can own sheet metal and the schematics for making a lightning link or even a third hole for a lower are online but there is no machine gun there unless you actually do the work to make it
In terms of the NFA, there is no difference between an AutoKeyCard as in OP, and a Lightning link or other similar device glued to a cardboard backing. The packaging is irrelevant, whether it;s a metal card or cardboard backing. Physical connection with the packaging does not change what the item is.
But in it's current configuration it can't be used as a lightning link. It's simply information on a piece of metal which is also protected by the first amendment.
>In terms of the NFA, there is no difference between an AutoKeyCard as in OP, and a Lightning link or other similar device glued to a cardboard backing.
except it's not possible to readily convert the keycard into a machine gun. you're making one from fricking scratch, but only when you take tool to metal. at best it's art describing the design of a machinegun combined with raw materials that could, with work, be used to make one from scratch.
This is genuinely as insane as trying to argue an M-16 tekmat, a router in my cabinet, and a drill on my bench are all together indistinguishable from a working and assembled machine gun. it's fricking moronic.
but as moronic as it is, I hope the ATF is fricking dumb enough to not drop these charges so we can brain the entire NFA all at once.
Frick I hope so I've been saving my old neighbors address for this reason, i know he was ATF but he doesnt know i know.
2 years ago
Anonymous
fbi, i am not associated with this poster, i have no idea what he's talking about, and I do not condone violence in any form except justified self defense.
>readily
This word does not appear in the relevant part of the statute. > any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun,
>so we can brain the entire NFA all at once.
I hope so. I can definitely see the hughes amendment being argued since it is essentially a ban as well as the $200 tax since it's essentially a pol tax. Might be hard to get rid of the whole nfa though since it's essentially shall issue as long as you're not a criminal or in a psych institution. But I still hope so
2 years ago
Anonymous
>essentially a ban
"essentially" is wrong. It is a ban with no confusion in the language. It does not allow new machine guns to be purchased. If all our laws stayed the same for 1000 years, it would be impossible to buy a machine gun in any way, shape, or form. It's a ban that works via attrition.
alright, so a sheet of blank metal is literally a machine gun according to your interpretation of the NFA
if you stand by that argument, i would love to see it argued in open court
[...] >any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun,
Lightning link devices have no purpose but to convert a weapon into a machinegun. The fact that they are packaged a certain way is irrelevant.
oh frick, better let the steel yard I work for know that they're sitting on literally a QUADRILLION machine guns and they need to make them disappear asap, and to shred all of their sales records because who knows how many octillions of machine guns they've sold over the years
But in it's current configuration it can't be used as a lightning link. It's simply information on a piece of metal which is also protected by the first amendment.
Suppose someone takes a Lightning Link, and takes a blank metal card. They then weld, say an eight inch segment of the Lightning Link to the metal card. Is it still a Lightning Link?
With their "once a machine gun, always a machine gun" rule it is, but this is a sheet metal with a drawing on it. It never started out as a machine gun.
Is a ar15 lower now a machine gun since it can be made into a machine gun? Or a coat hanger since it can be made into a drop in auto sear?
Is a Lightning Link stencil a machine gun? If someone takes a Lightning Link stencil and a pencil and traces out that shape on a metal card, have they made a machine gun?
That is irrelevant. The OP is literally a solid piece of steel with a picture drawn on it. Making that be illegal is like making pictures of lightning links illegal.
Good thing it’s a piece of sheet metal with a drawing and not a piece made to convert a gun to full auto. Or are you applying that same logic to all sheet metal, wire coat hangers, drill presses, etc
>encased
how the frick was it "encased"? >there's a full auto m16 lower receiver encased in this aluminum bar stock
that's how fricking stupid you sound.
it's not a lightning link tho. it's a drawing.
also hardly anyone has an sp1 style bolt carrier required to use them. its arguable that even if you had an ll, it does nothing without the bolt carrier and is not a machinegun
Read the text. It doesn't matter if it requires another part to function. >any part designed and intended solely and exclusively ... for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun,
Yeah.
Not only is the card itself not a machinegun as defined in the NFA, but the CRS guy isn't even accused of making, selling, or even possessing them.
The only thing he stands accused of is shilling them on youtube.
I hate rooting for such an obnoxious dickhead, but even by ATF standards this is an incredible reach.
hey remember the time someone called the cops on your homosexual asses for impersonating an agent, your homosexual boy refused to show ID to the cops, the agent had guns pointed at him, and your entire organization b***hed and cried and moaned in a formally worded letter about both it AND how the cops were circulating video footage of said homosexual getting arrested?
Haven't got a webm. but you want the sound anyway so you can hear the little wine-stealing piggie squeal.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ah, the fine flavor of schadenfreude in the morning. What a refined pleasure to hear an ATF agent squeel like a Black person. The only thing missing was a "I dindu nuffin."
that text applies to full auto bcgs too then
Speaking of bcg's (I'd ask in /arg/ but even typing those letters makes me feel dirty) is there any functional difference between a bcg design that would accomodate full auto and one that does not when it's being used in a gun that will never see full auto? Does the extra mass noticably affect recoil or reliability in operation? Does it make the bcg more durable and less likely to break over time? Anybody have experience with this here?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, I think there's a slight difference in weight but that's it. It's actually pretty uncommon for a bcg to not be full auto these days. I know the m&p sports used to have semi bcgs, I'm sure some other really cheats ars had them too but even a psa comes with an auto bcg.
The fact that someone actively browses /k/ to post shit like this is a testament to how pathetic and no-lifed these people are. Better get your insulin pump, the diabetes is about to strike, fatty.
Motion to dismiss based on Bruen: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22080197-machine-gun-usa-v-matthew-hoover-supplement-to-motion-to-dismiss070122
If you cut out the pattern, it's a lightning link that disengages the Ar-15 sear just enough to permit ful auto. Highly illegal in the eyes of the feds, though some states are fine with it (like weed) such as Alaska, Oklahoma, and Tennessee.
They'll get you arrested by the feds, but there's a slight chance they'll get the full-auto registry obliterated, so 6 of one and half dozen of the other.
Do you think that they'll start arresting people who have seen these cards? It's the next logical step. You've seen. You can repeat the lines on any sheet of metal now.
no intention of finding out, ever, unless based clarence throws out the nfa, in which case I'd just buy something legal with a proper giggle switch. And a can too.
>work?
It's a credit-card-sized piece of sheet metal.
It works for all the things you might want a piece of sheet metal to do, from fitting in your wallet to scraping ice off your windshield to getting you arrested on "conspiracy" bullshit if you promote it on youtube.
Oh, and it has a neat picture on it, too, but the engraving gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever.
>any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun,
Lightning link devices have no purpose but to convert a weapon into a machinegun. The fact that they are packaged a certain way is irrelevant.
Is a piece of sheet metal now a machine gun or a coat hanger and access to the internet?
It's literally a piece of sheet metal with a drawing on it. You cant use it as a machine gun unless it's cut out. You can own sheet metal and the schematics for making a lightning link or even a third hole for a lower are online but there is no machine gun there unless you actually do the work to make it
In terms of the NFA, there is no difference between an AutoKeyCard as in OP, and a Lightning link or other similar device glued to a cardboard backing. The packaging is irrelevant, whether it;s a metal card or cardboard backing. Physical connection with the packaging does not change what the item is.
But in it's current configuration it can't be used as a lightning link. It's simply information on a piece of metal which is also protected by the first amendment.
might just be the straw the breaks the camels back on the NFA
>In terms of the NFA, there is no difference between an AutoKeyCard as in OP, and a Lightning link or other similar device glued to a cardboard backing.
except it's not possible to readily convert the keycard into a machine gun. you're making one from fricking scratch, but only when you take tool to metal. at best it's art describing the design of a machinegun combined with raw materials that could, with work, be used to make one from scratch.
This is genuinely as insane as trying to argue an M-16 tekmat, a router in my cabinet, and a drill on my bench are all together indistinguishable from a working and assembled machine gun. it's fricking moronic.
but as moronic as it is, I hope the ATF is fricking dumb enough to not drop these charges so we can brain the entire NFA all at once.
Frick I hope so I've been saving my old neighbors address for this reason, i know he was ATF but he doesnt know i know.
fbi, i am not associated with this poster, i have no idea what he's talking about, and I do not condone violence in any form except justified self defense.
>readily
This word does not appear in the relevant part of the statute.
> any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun,
>so we can brain the entire NFA all at once.
I hope so. I can definitely see the hughes amendment being argued since it is essentially a ban as well as the $200 tax since it's essentially a pol tax. Might be hard to get rid of the whole nfa though since it's essentially shall issue as long as you're not a criminal or in a psych institution. But I still hope so
>essentially a ban
"essentially" is wrong. It is a ban with no confusion in the language. It does not allow new machine guns to be purchased. If all our laws stayed the same for 1000 years, it would be impossible to buy a machine gun in any way, shape, or form. It's a ban that works via attrition.
alright, so a sheet of blank metal is literally a machine gun according to your interpretation of the NFA
if you stand by that argument, i would love to see it argued in open court
Terms according to who's interpretation? SCOTUS or some bureaucrat with a axe to grind?
oh frick, better let the steel yard I work for know that they're sitting on literally a QUADRILLION machine guns and they need to make them disappear asap, and to shred all of their sales records because who knows how many octillions of machine guns they've sold over the years
>drawings be machine guns now
Well shoe laces are according to them so there's that.
Suppose someone takes a Lightning Link, and takes a blank metal card. They then weld, say an eight inch segment of the Lightning Link to the metal card. Is it still a Lightning Link?
*eighth inch
With their "once a machine gun, always a machine gun" rule it is, but this is a sheet metal with a drawing on it. It never started out as a machine gun.
Is a ar15 lower now a machine gun since it can be made into a machine gun? Or a coat hanger since it can be made into a drop in auto sear?
Is a Lightning Link stencil a machine gun? If someone takes a Lightning Link stencil and a pencil and traces out that shape on a metal card, have they made a machine gun?
Try it and then wait for the no knock warrant
That is irrelevant. The OP is literally a solid piece of steel with a picture drawn on it. Making that be illegal is like making pictures of lightning links illegal.
lol is this seriously how you're going to represent the ATF's case you fat disingenuous shitbag
Good thing it’s a piece of sheet metal with a drawing and not a piece made to convert a gun to full auto. Or are you applying that same logic to all sheet metal, wire coat hangers, drill presses, etc
better ban belt loops then you fricking glowBlack person
>The fact that they are packaged a certain way is irrelevant.
what kind of "packaging" requires metal working powertools and files to remove?
do you fricking morons ever listen to yourselves?
The Lightning Link machine gun is encased in a metal plate in a deliberate attempt to obfuscate its true purpose and circumvent NFA authority.
>encased
how the frick was it "encased"?
>there's a full auto m16 lower receiver encased in this aluminum bar stock
that's how fricking stupid you sound.
I wouldn't be surprised if the ATF actually uses this logic, I remember seeing 0% lower receivers for sale a while back.
Frick you and frick all 3 letter agencies
We can say the same for a shoe string. So what's your point.
it's not a lightning link tho. it's a drawing.
also hardly anyone has an sp1 style bolt carrier required to use them. its arguable that even if you had an ll, it does nothing without the bolt carrier and is not a machinegun
Read the text. It doesn't matter if it requires another part to function.
>any part designed and intended solely and exclusively ... for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun,
that text applies to full auto bcgs too then
no
wasnt that youtube guy arrested for this crs something
Yeah.
Not only is the card itself not a machinegun as defined in the NFA, but the CRS guy isn't even accused of making, selling, or even possessing them.
The only thing he stands accused of is shilling them on youtube.
I hate rooting for such an obnoxious dickhead, but even by ATF standards this is an incredible reach.
You gun nuts keep on crying and the good guys keep on winning.
upvoted
hey remember the time someone called the cops on your homosexual asses for impersonating an agent, your homosexual boy refused to show ID to the cops, the agent had guns pointed at him, and your entire organization b***hed and cried and moaned in a formally worded letter about both it AND how the cops were circulating video footage of said homosexual getting arrested?
>Remember the time you bit the bait
I'm replying to request the webm though
>calls it biting the bait
>I get an excuse to bring up the ATF getting raw dogged
Haven't got a webm. but you want the sound anyway so you can hear the little wine-stealing piggie squeal.
Ah, the fine flavor of schadenfreude in the morning. What a refined pleasure to hear an ATF agent squeel like a Black person. The only thing missing was a "I dindu nuffin."
Speaking of bcg's (I'd ask in /arg/ but even typing those letters makes me feel dirty) is there any functional difference between a bcg design that would accomodate full auto and one that does not when it's being used in a gun that will never see full auto? Does the extra mass noticably affect recoil or reliability in operation? Does it make the bcg more durable and less likely to break over time? Anybody have experience with this here?
No, I think there's a slight difference in weight but that's it. It's actually pretty uncommon for a bcg to not be full auto these days. I know the m&p sports used to have semi bcgs, I'm sure some other really cheats ars had them too but even a psa comes with an auto bcg.
The fact that someone actively browses /k/ to post shit like this is a testament to how pathetic and no-lifed these people are. Better get your insulin pump, the diabetes is about to strike, fatty.
Apparently they're trying to use the recent SCOTUS opinion (Bruen) as a defense. Will it work?
if the ATF doesn't immediately drop this case it will do a lot more than just 'work', lol.
Motion to dismiss based on Bruen: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22080197-machine-gun-usa-v-matthew-hoover-supplement-to-motion-to-dismiss070122
Can't wait to see government's response.
It's not even a 2a issue. The Feds can ban metal cards with squiggles on them because of the commerce clause.
If you cut out the pattern, it's a lightning link that disengages the Ar-15 sear just enough to permit ful auto. Highly illegal in the eyes of the feds, though some states are fine with it (like weed) such as Alaska, Oklahoma, and Tennessee.
Swift link >> lightning link
They'll get you arrested by the feds, but there's a slight chance they'll get the full-auto registry obliterated, so 6 of one and half dozen of the other.
Glow
Do you think that they'll start arresting people who have seen these cards? It's the next logical step. You've seen. You can repeat the lines on any sheet of metal now.
They should arrest anyone who's seen a machine gun before because they might be able to copy the changes onto their semi auto guns
>Do you think that they'll start arresting people who have seen these cards?
You're next anon.
Does the aft have automatic weapons? If so what kind of person thinks what they are doing is right?
Politicians obviously. Only the government should have guns in their opinion
I have an opinion about politicians and governments.
Will it turn my slingshot full auto?
So how does this work? You swipe it on your gun somewhere and it unlocks the full auto mode?
lol ATF Black folk like this drawing is a machine gun.
>Do these things actually work?
How would we know?
so what ended up happening with this thing and the force reset triggers?
no intention of finding out, ever, unless based clarence throws out the nfa, in which case I'd just buy something legal with a proper giggle switch. And a can too.